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CPTAUSRET

07-21-2004, 15:24

This story starts with Nancy’s secretary receiving a phone call from the White House, the individual on the other end asked to speak directly with Dr Andreasen. Nancy’s secretary LuAnn informed the caller that Nancy wasn’t in her office she was at home. LuAnn was asked for Nancy’s home phone number, LuAnn refused (she was more fearful of Nancy than the WH), after repeated calls, and with the WH stating that “it was urgent that they speak with Nancy”, LuAnn gave them our phone number.

Our phone rang with Nancy rushing out the door, running late. Nancy answered the phone, and was immediately informed it was the WH calling on urgent business. Nancy’s response “I’m running late, I do not have time to talk right now, you will have to call back”. She then hung up on the White House.

They called back and informed Nancy that she had just been awarded the “NATIONAL MEDAL OF SCIENCE” she was told that the ceremony would be held in the WH over a 2 day period. Nancy immediately asked me if I could be good in President Clinton’s presence, I said “**** NO”. She then asked me if I would do it for her since she had just been awarded the NMS. I responded with “For you, of course I can”.

We were given a behind the scenes tour of the WH, normal tours shut down for 4 days a year while the Christmas decorations are put up. We were allowed to go just about anywhere we wanted, and were provided with a Secret Service Agent (presidential detail) as our guide, I was excited as I presumed that I would be seeing people in uniform. Every time we turned a corner I was disappointed, there were NO UNIFORMS, only suits. I did not see one individual in military uniform in the WH, that REALLY F-ING PISSSED me off. I was grumping pretty loudly about it when our SS agent took me aside and asked me if I was trying to get him in trouble, my response “No of course not, but don’t these f-ing people realize how we got a WH in the first place”, that people in ragtag uniforms fought and died in order for us to have this place”. He informed me that the rule is, “If you are in the military, and assigned to the WH, you are ALLOWED to wear your uniform 1 day per week, but they would prefer that you didn’t”. I found out later that it wasn’t Bill, but in fact Hillary who didn’t want to see military uniforms. That really pissed me off, and still f-ing does.

The next morning we arrived at the WH with 11 other NMS awardees, the NMS was established in 1957, and has only been awarded to 374 scientists in all that time. Among our groupwere 2 Nobel Laureates, one of whom is the oldest living Nobel Laureate, he was 89.

We walked into the Oval Office single file, Nancy preceding me, she said to President Clinton”I’m Dr Andreasen, I’m from the University of Iowa and I won for my research in Biological Sciences. I was supposed to state my name, shake his hand, and move on. I was f-ing wound up, pissed off, and totally upset that people serving this country in uniform weren’t welcome in this WH.

I wore a miniature DFC in my lapel it is visible in the picture, and I started off by telling Pres Clinton that Nancy had been the youngest professor in the history of the University of Iowa, that her Ph.D. was in English Lit, and that she taught English for 3 years before attending Medical School. The room became very quiet, I was not following protocol.

Clinton reached out to shake my hand, I ignored his hand and pointed to the DFC, I asked him if he knew what it was, he of course said no. I spent the next 5 minutes telling him why I joined the military, and why it was important for me to be able to serve my MY country in uniform. That I would have willingly given my life any number of times to protect the freedoms that he and everyone else in this country had grown up with.

He extended his hand even further, gripping my hand and squeezing it very hard, he held on for the longest time, I was staring him directly in the eye and his eyes teared up slightly, it was obvious that he was trying very hard to speak without his voice breaking, when he was finally able to speak he said “THANK YOU, SIR”, there were maybe 20 people in that, and you could have a pin fall to the carpet.

Later when Nancy was getting her picture taken with him, I went charging back up front and said “You just got back from Vietnam”. He said “Yes I did” I said “What did you do over there, now that the bullets have stopped”? He said “I turned over 800000 documents and continued with a whole laundry list of nothing, (in Flight School we called that mealy mouthing) I said “You should have taken someone like me along” he said “What do you mean?” I said “Someone who would have said B.S., every once in a while when you are being told things that are patently untrue.” He then pointed to the side of his desk, where I then noticed a brick from the Hanoi Hilton with Pete Petersen’s name on it, he said “I took Pete Petersen, Pete was a prisoner in the Hanoi Hilton for seven years, and he’s now my Ambassador to Hanoi” I said “You should have taken John McCain” he said “You know, John runs hot and cold on this thing” we went at it for a few more minutes and I finally said “You know, if you really have any information whatsoever, you need to get it out to the American people. We have over 2000 families in this country who are still in turmoil because of the MIA/POW situation”. He said he would, thanked me again and we left the Oval Office:

There were 11 other winners besides Nancy, they were all older, were all of an age where they would not have considered refusing to serve their country (as did this President). Several of these gentlemen came up to me, they were hugging me, shaking my hand, patting me on the back, telling me how proud they were of what I had said to the President. A couple of minutes later the door to the Oval Office opened up, and the “Presidents National Science Advisor”, walked up to me and said “The President asked me to convey to you his personal thanks, for the forthright and honest dialogue you two shared” I rolled my eyes at that, cause I thought he hadn’t liked it worth a shit. Dr Neal Lane got a little annoyed at this, and said “Well, the President of The United States, didn’t have to send me out here”. He then went on to say “You would be surprised at how many people just say Yes Sir, and No Sir, to that man, you did not. You told him some things he needed to hear, you were a breath of fresh air in there, and for that he thanks you”:

The Reaper

07-21-2004, 16:14

Terry:

Hoo f**king ahhh, Captain!

I love that story.

It would appear that he was trying to give you the stroke, like he did many others. I hear that he was very good at it, and your story confirms that.

You have heard the story about General McCaffrey at the White House, haven't you?

TR

CPTAUSRET

07-21-2004, 16:21

Originally posted by The Reaper
Terry:

Hoo f**king ahhh, Captain!

I love that story.

It would appear that he was trying to give you the stroke, like he did many others. I hear that he was very good at it, and your story confirms that.

You have heard the story about General McCaffrey at the White House, haven't you?

TR

TR:

I believe that Gen McCaffrey showed up at the WH early on in the Clinton administration in uniform, and was the individual who was informed by DeeDee Meyers that they didn't want to see uniformed military in their house.

I would love to hear your story re the good General, and the Clinton WH.

Terry

mffjm8509

07-21-2004, 16:56

Excelent story!

mp

CPTAUSRET

07-21-2004, 17:04

Originally posted by mffjm8509
Excelent story!

mp

Thanks, glad you liked it.

Terry

The Reaper

07-21-2004, 17:18

Originally posted by CPTAUSRET
TR:

I believe that Gen McCaffrey showed up at the WH early on in the Clinton administration in uniform, and was the individual who was informed by DeeDee Meyers that they didn't want to see uniformed military in their house.

I would love to hear your story re the good General, and the Clinton WH.

Terry

Exactly.

He was a three star then, allegedly on the way out.

He refused to talk to the media about it.

Then he became a surprise four star, the SOUTHCOM Commander, and the Klinton's Drug Czar.

Wonder how that happened?

Quid Pro Quo?

TR

CPTAUSRET

07-21-2004, 17:26

Originally posted by The Reaper
Exactly.

He was a three star then, allegedly on the way out.

He refused to talk to the media about it.

Then he became a surprise four star, the SOUTHCOM Commander, and the Klinton's Drug Czar.

Wonder how that happened?

Quid Pro Quo?

TR

Quid Pro Quo.

Makes a lot of sense.

Thanks.

Terry

Team Sergeant

07-21-2004, 17:36

That story makes me smile everytime I read it, thanks for posting it Terry.

TS

Roguish Lawyer

07-21-2004, 17:45

Great story, Terry. Thanks for sharing.

Guy

07-21-2004, 17:54

GREAT! Did I ever tell you FOGs...how proud I am of your service to this fine country of ours?

Take care....SIR!:D

NousDefionsDoc

07-21-2004, 17:54

Thanks Cap. For everything.

CPTAUSRET

07-21-2004, 18:04

Originally posted by Team Sergeant
That story makes me smile everytime I read it, thanks for posting it Terry.

TS

TS:

Thanks, I would have posted it sooner but was waiting for the right time.

Terry

CPTAUSRET

07-21-2004, 18:05

R L:

Glad you enjoyed it.

Terry

CPTAUSRET

07-21-2004, 18:06

Originally posted by Guy
GREAT! Did I ever tell you FOGs...how proud I am of your service to this fine country of ours?

Take care....SIR!:D

Thanks, Guy:

What you do makes me proud.

Terry

Kyobanim

07-21-2004, 18:06

Thanks fpr everything, Terry. Anytime is the right time for that one.

CPTAUSRET

07-21-2004, 18:10

Originally posted by NousDefionsDoc
Thanks Cap. For everything.

Sneaky:

De nada:

Terry

CPTAUSRET

07-21-2004, 18:22

Originally posted by Kyobanim
Thanks fpr everything, Terry. Anytime is the right time for that one.

Thanks:

Terry

Gypsy

07-21-2004, 19:54

Sir I never tire of reading this, and as always you have my thanks and gratitude.

Sacamuelas

07-21-2004, 20:03

That was one of the first stories I was linked/referred to when I first got on Socnet and met the personalities that I ended up following over here. I knew I was surrounded with the best people this country offers right then.

I tell your story all the time while at work, Sir.

CPTAUSRET

07-21-2004, 20:08

Originally posted by Gypsy
Sir I never tire of reading this, and as always you have my thanks and gratitude.

Thanks, Gypsy.:)

Terry

The Reaper

07-21-2004, 20:08

Terry:

Not often you get a chance to speak for 55,000 lost brothers, and hundreds of thousands more alive who wish they had the opportunity, is it?

TR

CPTAUSRET

07-21-2004, 20:10

Originally posted by Sacamuelas
That was one of the first stories I was linked/referred to when I first got on Socnet and met the personalities that I ended up following over here. I knew I was surrounded with the best people this country offers right then.

I tell your story all the time while at work, Sir.

Sacamuelas:

Kind words, much appreciated.

Terry

CPTAUSRET

07-21-2004, 20:18

Originally posted by The Reaper
Terry:

Not often you get a chance to speak for 55,000 lost brothers, and hundreds of thousands more alive who wish they had the opportunity, is it?

TR

T R:

No, certainly not often.

All in all, I think I did pretty well by all those you mentioned, and in that respect it was a rather humbling experience...Knowing that I had the opportunity (and the obligation) to speak for so many, who for whatever reason could not speak up for themselves.

Terry

QRQ 30

07-22-2004, 09:25

Outstanding post. A man after my own heart!!;)

lrd

07-22-2004, 11:03

Terry,

Like the others have said: I never tire of reading this. :)

Originally posted by CPTAUSRET
Knowing that I had the opportunity (and the obligation) to speak for so many, who for whatever reason could not speak up for themselves. It's the obligation that many will never understand.

Thanks again.

CPTAUSRET

07-22-2004, 11:27

Originally posted by QRQ 30
Outstanding post. A man after my own heart!!;)

I thought you would like it.

Terry

magician

07-22-2004, 12:04

the story brings tears to my eyes, brother.

it is a fucking honor just to know you.

CPTAUSRET

07-22-2004, 12:19

Originally posted by lrd
Terry,

Like the others have said: I never tire of reading this. :)

It's the obligation that many will never understand.

Thanks again.

lrd:

You obviously understand.:)

Terry

CPTAUSRET

07-22-2004, 12:59

Originally posted by magician
the story brings tears to my eyes, brother.

it is a fucking honor just to know you.

S:

I am honored to have friends like you.

Terry

Shark Bait

11-30-2004, 10:06

Damn good stuff. You're my hero now. LOL

I only wish I could have been there to see it.

CPTAUSRET

11-30-2004, 13:20

Damn good stuff. You're my hero now. LOL

I only wish I could have been there to see it.

Shark Bait:

Wish you could have been there too, I have pic's around here somewhere. I will post one at some point.

Terry

12B4S

01-09-2005, 02:42

OK, 15 mins ago I started a reply, a friend/coworker came over and took him back to the beginning of this thread. Even impressed that kid as well as this olderish guy.

Thank you for your service Terry. Great experience, and thank you for what you did while there with that Piece'O Scheisse. I would have loved to had the chance to mess with him, but I also know if it were my wife at the time, I'd been a bit more tactful as you were......... GOOD work!!

Wanted to add......... Congratulations to your wife for her acheivements/awards. A high honor.

CPTAUSRET

01-09-2005, 16:33

12B4S

01-09-2005, 21:25

Terry

Agreed, if it had been me and I had gone to the trouble of thinking of something to say. I know I would have chucked it at the moment and just said what came naturally.
Oh, I did mean to add one more thing to my post last night. I'm bettin' that had it been GW, he would have come out to you personnaly before you left and thanked you for your service. Not send someone else. Of course taking into account, your first conversation would have been a total 180 than with billy the zipper :D

CPTAUSRET

01-10-2005, 14:03

Razor

01-10-2005, 14:23

Completely agree with your thought process, I am hoping Nancy wins some major award on GW's watch. Wishful thinking...
Terry

Naw, I'm pretty sure Nancy will do something else fantastic that will merit an award of some kind.

CPTAUSRET

01-10-2005, 21:00

Naw, I'm pretty sure Nancy will do something else fantastic that will merit an award of some kind.

G:

Truth is, she is being invited to Stockhom pretty regularly to give plenary talks at Nobel Symposiums...

Terry

12B4S

01-10-2005, 21:03

Ffrom just the little I'm aware of, I agree with Razor. After all, GW will be in the White House for another four years.

CPTAUSRET

01-16-2005, 14:57

Ffrom just the little I'm aware of, I agree with Razor. After all, GW will be in the White House for another four years.

Got my fingers crossed:

Terry
;)

12B4S

01-16-2005, 23:22

[QUOTE=CPTAUSRET]Got my fingers crossed:

Terry
;)[/QUOTE

Invite me invite me!!!!!!!!!!!

Archer06

01-18-2005, 13:24

Great example for all of us.

CPTAUSRET

01-26-2005, 17:55

Great example for all of us.

Archer06:

Thank you.

Terry

Warrior-Mentor

10-11-2005, 12:04

Interesting read.

Roguish Lawyer

10-11-2005, 12:09

Thanks for sharing this.
Hope you resurrect it in 12-18 months when Hillary starts her race for the White House.
JM

You mean officially starts?

Warrior-Mentor

10-11-2005, 12:20

Roger.

BTW - saw Lou Freeh on 60 minutes slamming on the Clinton White House...saying he stayed on to ensure Clinton didn't get to appoint his replacement...how Clinton promised to find the people responsible for the Barracks Bombing in Saudi, then did nothing to help the investigation. When the Saudis told Freeh they needed the President to ask for it. Clinton didn't/wouldn't. So Freeh asked George Bush Senior to help. When George Sr asked, the Saudis produced.

Here's more...

FBI FREEH UNLOADS ON CLINTON: 'CLOSETS WERE FULL OF SKELETONS'
Thu Oct 06 2005 14:07:50 ET

Louis Freeh Speaks for the First Time About his Terrible Relationship with the President

Former FBI Director Louis Freeh says publicly for the first time that his relationship with President Bill Clinton – the man who appointed him – was a terrible one because Clinton’s scandals made him a constant target of FBI investigations. Freeh discloses this and many other details of his dealings with the Clinton White House in a new bombshell book: 'My FBI : Bringing Down the Mafia, Investigating Bill Clinton, and Fighting the War on Terror' -- set for release next week.

Freeh has taped an interview with Mike Wallace and CBSNEWS '60 MINUTES' to be broadcast Sunday, the DRUDGE REPORT has learned.

continued at ...
http://www.drudgereport.com/flash2cbs.htm

I'm looking forward to reading it.

CPTAUSRET

10-11-2005, 12:21

Thanks for sharing this.
Hope you resurrect it in 12-18 months when Hillary starts her race for the White House.
JM

De nada.

Indubitably!

Terry

CoLawman

10-11-2005, 14:34

CPTAUSRET

10-11-2005, 15:47

Judas Priest!

I had not stumbled across this thread until it was resurrected today.

What a great story. Honored Captain. Forget that invite to my house when you are in Colorado. Don't want to compete with the White House! :D

Colawman:

You and me have a hell of a lot more in common than pres clinton and me ever will.

I would enjoy visiting you in your home.

Terry:)

CoLawman

10-12-2005, 07:14

Colawman:

You and me have a hell of a lot more in common than pres clinton and me ever will.

I would enjoy visiting you in your home.

Terry:)

You have been talking to TS......his last comment as he was leaving...........
I would have enjoyed your home far better than the Five Star Hotel you put me up in!!!:D

CPTAUSRET

10-12-2005, 13:54

You have been talking to TS......his last comment as he was leaving...........
I would have enjoyed your home far better than the Five Star Hotel you put me up in!!!:D

Actually, I have not talked with him re this issue...But, he and I agree on most things, and friendship, camaraderie, and loyalty rank far higher than any 5 star hotel.

I would much prefer sitting with my bud's and eating cold C'rat's (nasty stuff btw), to spending time with people I have nothing in common with at a 5 star hotel.

It just so happens that several of those individuals inhabit this board.

Terry

The Reaper

11-10-2005, 08:30

Terry, awesome story.

How bizarre.

I usually try hard to understand why someone might feel the way they do about something. Even if I completely disagree, I can at least get a sense for how someone's behavior, while odd, can be explained. i.e., For me to do [the same thing], how angry, what state of mind, what type of upbringing and experiences would I likely have had.

Not this. My first crush on a XY in 2'nd grade was simply because he had the most adorable cub scout uniform possible.

How can someone growing up in the US and in public service feel that strongly against seeing a military uniform. Not wanting to see a military uniform seems to put someone in a completely different league of mindset than someone who is simply anti-war, anti-Iraq, etc. It's not a shade of gray.

FrontSight

Simple.

Guilt. The uniformed service member represents everything they are not.

And I am afraid that they may soon reside at their former Pennsylvania address again.

If my party has a game plan, I would really like to know what it is.

TR

Peregrino

11-10-2005, 09:05

If my party has a game plan, I would really like to know what it is.

TR

X2. Any plan at all would be better than the current vacuum. They've got to have something to rally the troops with. Even a totally FUBAR plan can be salvaged with FRAGOs. (Well - usually! :( ) Peregrino

CoLawman

11-10-2005, 21:24

If my party has a game plan, I would really like to know what it is.

I hope it isn't PUNT!

Gypsy

11-12-2005, 12:10

Forbidding the sight of a US military uniform at the White House seems incredibly un-American.

FrontSight

And there's your answer.

For all their posturing the Clintons hold little if any respect for our Military, why else would they not be able to stand the sight of a Uniform? Our Military is comprised of men and women who represent Courage, Commitment, Dignity, Duty to Country and Honor....none of which I think either of them understand, appreciate or embrace. At least that's how I see it.

CPTAUSRET

11-12-2005, 13:58

And there's your answer.

For all their posturing the Clintons hold little if any respect for our Military, why else would they not be able to stand the sight of a Uniform? Our Military is comprised of men and women who represent Courage, Commitment, Dignity, Duty to Country and Honor....none of which I think either of them understand, appreciate or embrace. At least that's how I see it.

Good insight, Gypsy.

Terry

Gypsy

11-12-2005, 19:19

Thank you, Sir. Hope you and Nancy are doing well.

CPTAUSRET

11-19-2005, 01:33

Thank you, Sir. Hope you and Nancy are doing well.

We are doing very well.

We will be departing Thessaloniki Greece, this afternoon enroute Frankfurt (RON), and on to ABQ tomorrow.

Terry

12B4S

11-23-2005, 01:49

Great to see this thread back Cap. It should never die as long as those two ..... (OK put your own adjectives in this space_____________________________________________ _______________)_________________
Was that enough room?

CPTAUSRET

11-23-2005, 12:06

Phantom

12-26-2005, 00:36

Out-F'ing-Standing.

CPTAUSRET

12-26-2005, 10:33

Out-F'ing-Standing.

Phantom:

Thank you.

Terry

MAB32

12-26-2005, 15:19

CPTAUSRET

12-26-2005, 15:55

You are my "new found" hero! Looking back I cannot beleive I missed this post. I have always "disliked(read: HATE)" this man for being who he was and what he stood for. You have made me very proud, Sir, Thanks YOU!:)

MAB32:

I appreciate the kind words.

If it hadn't been for my wife, I would not have been afforded that opportunity.

Terry

mugwump

12-26-2005, 22:52

CPTAUSRET, you've probably seen this but it always makes me smile. This soldier hasn't forgotten the "coercion" sign he learned in survival school. It's hard to read the title -- it says "Keep your friends close and your enemies closer."

5315

CPTAUSRET

12-27-2005, 10:25

rwt_bkk

01-04-2006, 03:56

HI Terry,
Guess you got three great things in life
!. You got to fly Cobras (lucky dog)
2. You got a really smart wife (dangerous too)
3. You got to put it right in Clinton's face
Good Man!

CPTAUSRET

01-04-2006, 04:02

HI Terry,
Guess you got three great things in life
!. You got to fly Cobras (lucky dog)
2. You got a really smart wife (dangerous too)
3. You got to put it right in Clinton's face
Good Man!

Bru:

Cobras were great, a huge improvement over the B-model Hueys I flew in 65-66.

Hell of a smart wife, she is actually my best buddy, too.

I wish I had had more time with him, there was a hell of a lot more I could have said.

Thanks, brother!

Terry

NSDQ

05-21-2007, 00:37

Bump.
Great story CPTAUSRET. Thanks for seizing the opportunity to remind him of where & who protects his freedoms.

NSDQ

CPTAUSRET

05-21-2007, 12:09

Bump.
Great story CPTAUSRET. Thanks for seizing the opportunity to remind him of where & who protects his freedoms.

NSDQ

Glad you bumped this thread. It's a good read!

E98T

08-04-2007, 23:37

I love reading this kind of stuff! Thank you to all who have served! God bless all of you fine warriors!:cool:

CPTAUSRET

08-11-2007, 10:06

I love reading this kind of stuff! Thank you to all who have served! God bless all of you fine warriors!:cool:

Glad you enjoyed it!

Divemaster

10-20-2007, 03:36

Bump.

Awesome thread. Would be great to pass on to Hannity or Rush when the primaries get underway!

When I was at Range 37, we got a special tour of the WH in 93 or 94. This was after the SKS shooting and the Cessna kamikaze. Clinton was in Miami or somewhere on an economic conference. Oh, and we didn't see a single uniform either.

Tour highlight? (besides the fact we got in without a security check) Someone came outside walking Socks the cat. We all acted all lovey dovey..."oh, what a pretty kitty" picked the cat up, petting it...someone distracted the cat walker with First Pet questions...and we took turns posing for pictures mock choking Socks. Unfortunately, I didn't have my own camera there and don't have any copies of other's pics to post.

No animals were harmed in the making of this post.

CPTAUSRET

01-09-2008, 10:30

Time for a bump.

hunteran

01-12-2008, 23:59

Thanks for your service and for saying what needed to be said. I pray that Hillary and her ilk do not make it to the White House again. I think the way that the Clinton's treat the military says a lot about their character (or lack thereof).

GaretTrooper

01-13-2008, 10:43

I haven't read the entire thread but has anyone considered spreading this info around other military sites? This should be very detrimental to her military supporters for the 2008 vote

CPTAUSRET

01-16-2008, 09:23

I haven't read the entire thread but has anyone considered spreading this info around other military sites? This should be very detrimental to her military supporters for the 2008 vote

I have posted it on two or three (SOF) websites.

Bracholi

02-01-2008, 00:37

Thank you for standing up to that scumbag sir.
I will now be sending a link to this post to anyone I can.

jw74

09-10-2008, 11:01

"“If you are in the military, and assigned to the WH, you are ALLOWED to wear your uniform 1 day per week, but they would prefer that you didn’t”. I found out later that it wasn’t Bill, but in fact Hillary who didn’t want to see military uniforms. That really pissed me off, and still f-ing does."

They are vile trash.

That story was awesome. Thanks for everything Sir.

Kyobanim

09-10-2008, 12:21

Actually, the current uniform, at least in the WHC office, civilian suit.