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I've lived through 13 Presidents and wonder what's next. As a country, we appear to be either at the bottom of a perceived hole (and still digging) or falling over the precipice of an even greater tragedy; the beginning of the end of American Democracy. We have come to this point by the work and failure of many hands, some proclaiming to be patriotic and others not giving a crap at all. The challenge is how to recover and rebuild our country before calamity sets in and we fail altogether. The latter is terrifying, regardless of your politics, as failing could mean the introduction of a holocaust grimmer than anything in history. This isn't the singular fault of BHO. He's just the dumb bastard who happens to be on watch right now. Our ship is headed for shoal water at a great speed, and our rudder is so very small. I need the optimism of youth and no longer have that.
What shall we or can we do? A resolution will be imposed. How do we control that inevitability? I can't readily see the answer, for I have lived through 13 Presidents.
Dozer523
12-09-2009, 06:03
I've lived through 13 Presidents and wonder what's next. As a country, we appear to be either at the bottom of a perceived hole (and still digging) or falling over the precipice of an even greater tragedy; the beginning of the end of American Democracy. We have come to this point by the work and failure of many hands, some proclaiming to be patriotic and others not giving a crap at all. The challenge is how to recover and rebuild our country before calamity sets in and we fail altogether. The latter is terrifying, regardless of your politics, as failing could mean the introduction of a holocaust grimmer than anything in history. This isn't the singular fault of BHO. He's just the dumb bastard who happens to be on watch right now. Our ship is headed for shoal water at a great speed, and our rudder is so very small. I need the optimism of youth and no longer have that.
What shall we or can we do? A resolution will be imposed. How do we control that inevitability? I can't readily see the answer, for I have lived through 13 Presidents. Larry, it'll be okay. Just quit hanging out with NMAP so much.
I'm with ya in your concern LW. I see no way out, and I hate even saying that about anything. Everyday we continue to watch things deteriorate, and the administration, (whoever the puppet is at the time), seems to continue on the same path of inevitable destruction. I truly think that we need total reconstruction of our policies, both political and economic, and those who are in control of them. Question is, "How?".
I worry everyday about the future of our children, and of this Great Nation. It's a powder keg, with pressure building.:munchin:eek::(:confused:
Larry, it'll be okay. Just quit hanging out with NMAP so much.
LOL, thanks, Dozer. I needed that! TMI will be my end...either searching for it or lending it out ("lending" because it always comes back to haunt me).
Nothing would surprise me right now. Not the passing of our current condition like a fart in a whirlwind, not the sweeping horror of anarchy and collapse. Unfortunately I feel compelled to prepare for the extremes. The middle ground evades me.
Team Sergeant
12-09-2009, 06:54
I've lived through 13 Presidents and wonder what's next. As a country, we appear to be either at the bottom of a perceived hole (and still digging) or falling over the precipice of an even greater tragedy; the beginning of the end of American Democracy. We have come to this point by the work and failure of many hands, some proclaiming to be patriotic and others not giving a crap at all. The challenge is how to recover and rebuild our country before calamity sets in and we fail altogether. The latter is terrifying, regardless of your politics, as failing could mean the introduction of a holocaust grimmer than anything in history. This isn't the singular fault of BHO. He's just the dumb bastard who happens to be on watch right now. Our ship is headed for shoal water at a great speed, and our rudder is so very small. I need the optimism of youth and no longer have that.
What shall we or can we do? A resolution will be imposed. How do we control that inevitability? I can't readily see the answer, for I have lived through 13 Presidents.
This is where the United States of America is headed, at full speed....
http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2009/11/dont-cry-for-me-america.html
greenberetTFS
12-09-2009, 08:23
This is where the United States of America is headed, at full speed....
http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2009/11/dont-cry-for-me-america.html
Excellent post TS,I learned something from it that scares me,the comparison is frightening....................:(
Big Teddy :munchin
Red Flag 1
12-09-2009, 09:11
This is where the United States of America is headed, at full speed....
http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2009/11/dont-cry-for-me-america.html
No doubt!!
The liberal agenda is in full court press. The dims are the front men; the power is from the ACLU. It touches everything that is our nation, including the press and education systems.
We hear way too much about the rights or criminals, that an execution should be painless, enemy combatants get their day in court, religious expression has become a vial utterance; the list is endless and growing. This is going on because it is allowed, and now expected to. I have come to believe that those who raise such issues really don't care about anything. Because the ACLU has paved the way for folks to bitch, they do so. The only conviction at play is that I have the ability and power to make you uncomfortable about your values and beliefs. An entire industry is at work with one goal, make others pay for core values of decent and responsible behavior; common sense is now a liability.
I have faith in our nation. I have faith in our citizens. I believe that there is a media ignored ground swell of outrage. Because we are the nation we are, changes will be made in the ballot box and not by violent overthrow. I guess a key here is to insure that our voting registration and votes cast actually reflect the desires of citizens. It took the US Supreme Court to tell al gore to sit down and shut up.....he still is a clueless national liability!!
Things will get better. It will take time and dedicated effort. We will loose for sure if we throw in the towel now.
My $.02.
RF 1
LOL, thanks, Dozer. I needed that! TMI will be my end...either searching for it or lending it out ("lending" because it always comes back to haunt me).
Nothing would surprise me right now. Not the passing of our current condition like a fart in a whirlwind, not the sweeping horror of anarchy and collapse. Unfortunately I feel compelled to prepare for the extremes. The middle ground evades me.
At some point you'll need to head West and remove yourself from the larger population bases. Bring that dog, a hunting rifle or shotgun.
You'd be welcomed as a Tribal Elder, we've got your back.
craigepo
12-09-2009, 09:46
Team daddy's post regarding argentina sounds exactly like the storyline from Atlas Shrugged. Pretty scary that Ayn Rand's story came true.
While worried, I am cautiously optimistic. I get out every day and talk to a lot of people. I find that the American people are mad and fed-up, with politicians from both parties. They are tired of american government that spends money like drunk sailors. As politicians generally act in a way to save their political careers, I look for the pendulum to swing back to the right politically.
One thing that we must have in this country is better candidates for office. I continually hear people complain that good people don't run for office. This takes recruitment (as well as the American citizenry to become involved in elections). If you don't know anybody who would make a good candidate, look in the mirror. You don't have to run for US Senate on your first go around---local government needs lots of help, and US politics mandates a farm-league approach to candidates. Trust me on one thing---there is a lot of money out there to fund good candidates, i.e. folks with good resumes, good character, and good ideas.
Sorry to babble for so long, but I spend so much time around government folks, and I see first-hand the effect of both good and bad public officials. One person can make a lot of difference. As Andrew Jackson said "One man with courage is a majority."
CloseDanger
12-09-2009, 10:52
Ferfal did one of the finest works I have read on surviving the collapse.
http://ferfal.blogspot.com/2008/10/thoughts-on-urban-survival-2005.html
Let's arm ourselves with knowledge to replace the dread of the inevitable.
olhamada
12-09-2009, 10:58
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."
-- Thomas Jefferson
Historically - we've faced such perilously trying times many times before in our nation's relatively brief existence - a natural consequence of our being a robustly dynamic democratic-republic - and IMO we'll do what we've always done - 'Cowboy up and drive on'
However...YMMV.
Richard's $.02 :munchin
Have hunting rifle, shotgun, a couple of pistols, and a dog with a good nose and a mean streak. Long as fields of fire are somewhat defined I ain't scared of being out there where there's nothing but piss to keep me warm, either. You're probably right...I'm too close to the beltway and the political sewer our Government has become. Need to head west. Park an old Airstream under some pinion trees, learn how to cuss in Apache, hear some new jokes, cook raccoon on a misquite fire, maybe even find out how to listen...(sigh)
There's gotta be something some place!
I agree, the trend is bad and the present is frighteningly similar to Argentina.
But come on guys! America has four hundred years of reinventing itself and self-correcting. That's what a democratic republic does. Even the Europeans are urging us to push the pendulum back toward our natural self-interest. They've seen the future with the EU experiment and don't want to see a repeat their fascist, deadly past.
Competitive challenges from China and India will counter-balance myopic thinking about Islam's most totalitarian aspects before we get to the apocalypse. :eek:
America's enterprising spirit is still a beacon to many in the world, even though some of those same people like to kick us in the teeth.
Based on recent polls, I think Americans see the leftward tilt and will self-correct if given a viable alternative in 2012.
LarryW--
There are maybe eight advantages to being badly over educated in a humanity that has been supplanted by various social sciences. (Or so we let them believe. Sure, political scientists get the jobs but we historians have the smug [read: misplaced] satisfaction of knowing that we write, think, and read better than anyone else.)
Three of these advantages are as follows.
Understanding that throughout American history, Americans have frequently thought that the end was near.
Knowing that in many of those instances, the conditions were much more dire than they are now and solutions frequently came from unexpected quarters.
Learning time and again that nothing in history is inevitable.
In regards to today's state of affairs, my pie in the sky broad brush long term agenda is:
Reign in the blogosphere.
Insist that journalists and politicians rediscover/reinvent their professionalism and re-earn public trust.
De-polarize political discourse by moderating our tone and but without yielding on principles.
Reposition American strategic culture as an arena of elite discourse.
In the short term, my preferences are:
Hold the line against the current administration in such a way that the president's supporters cannot blame anyone else but him for the man's shortcomings, inconsistencies, and amateurism.
Conduct the national debate on GWOT that Congress refused to have and that the current president believes is unnecessary (because it is essentially a law enforcement issue, not a war:rolleyes:).
Develop and present viable alternatives to the current administration's policies that will (somehow) garner support across the political spectrum and do not compromise on core values.
Revitalize the dormant concepts of "the Middle Way" (Eisenhower) and the "Big Tent" (Jack Kemp) within the GOP.
Highlight the fact that the radical left's vision of America is unsustainable so that left of center Progressives can re-discover their voices and exert a moderating influence on the Democratic Party.
Encourage cultural practices that emphasize core American values such as competition (as an example, a play-off for college football so that we can say that the best team won).
Expedite the development and implementation of 4G wireless telephony (voice, video, and data).
My $0.02.
The Reaper
12-09-2009, 13:19
Ferfal did one of the finest works I have read on surviving the collapse.
http://ferfal.blogspot.com/2008/10/thoughts-on-urban-survival-2005.html
I don't share your enthusiam for much of what he posts.
His firearms knowledge has some serious holes, for example.
Spain, and the Euro socialist states are not going to fare too well, either, especially when their immigrant populations rise up.
TR
Your itinerary is wonderfully compelling. I fervently beseige God to rally His angels behind each step. There's a part of me that wonders where we'll get the resolve or the candidate to reverse the trend our Washington DC brothers and sisters have spun for us. Economically we'll have to compell China and India to bring their wallets to our little Tupperware Party. In the clutch of our rapture we hear ourselves singing, "All We Are Saying Is Give Peace A Chance", and in the background stomachs are growling. We're in the presence of peacemakers and wolves! I just doubt the rest of the world will endorse our survival.
Buy Ammo - you should have the guns by now.
Went to the gun show this weekend - sad, very sad. I'll bet many of us have more ammo at the house than some of the dealers had on the table - and a lot of that was Wolf related stuff.
And on Argentina and the pension grab. That was done with barely a whisper here in the US but gave some folks thoughts about what could be done here along those lines.
spherojon
12-09-2009, 18:01
Thought I would share this (about 9 years old).
“About the time our original thirteen states adopted their new constitution in 1787, Alexander Tyler, a Scottish history professor at the University of Edinburgh, had this to say about the fall of the Athenian Republic some 2,000 years earlier: 'A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always vote for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship.'
The average age of the world's greatest civilizations from the beginning of history, has been about 200 years' During those 200 years, those nations always progressed through the following sequence
1. From bondage to spiritual faith;
2. From spiritual faith to great courage;
3. From courage to liberty;
4. From liberty to abundance;
5. From abundance to complacency;
6. From complacency to apathy;
7. From apathy to dependence;
8. From dependence back into bondage'
Professor Joseph Olson of Hemline University School of Law, St. Paul,
Minnesota , points out some interesting facts concerning the 2000
Presidential election:
Number of States won by:
Gore: 19
Bush: 29
Square miles of land won by:
Gore: 580,000
Bush: 2,427,000
Population of counties won by
Gore: 127 million
Bush: 143 million
Murder rate per 100,000 residents in counties won by
Gore: 13.2
Bush: 2.1
Professor Olson adds: 'In aggregate, the map of the territory Bush won was mostly the land owned by the taxpaying citizens of this great country. Gore's territory mostly encompassed those citizens living in government-owned tenements and living off various forms of government welfare...' Olson believes the United States is now somewhere between the 'complacency and apathy' phase of Professor Tyler's definition of democracy, with some forty percent of the nation's population already having reached the 'govern mental dependency' phase.”
Which makes me wonder what the statistics of the 2008 election are, and where we stand as a republic.
Utah Bob
12-09-2009, 18:56
Historically - we've faced such perilously trying times many times before in our nation's relatively brief existence - a natural consequence of our being a robustly dynamic democratic-republic - and IMO we'll do what we've always done - 'Cowboy up and drive on'
However...YMMV.
Richard's $.02 :munchin
Bingo. Life's too short to spend time hand-wringing.
Have hunting rifle, shotgun, a couple of pistols, and a dog with a good nose and a mean streak. Long as fields of fire are somewhat defined I ain't scared of being out there where there's nothing but piss to keep me warm, either. You're probably right...I'm too close to the beltway and the political sewer our Government has become. Need to head west. Park an old Airstream under some pinion trees, learn how to cuss in Apache, hear some new jokes, cook raccoon on a misquite fire, maybe even find out how to listen...(sigh)
There's gotta be something some place!
Maybe you could park at the end of Utah Bob's 800' driveway.
Bingo. Life's too short to spend time hand-wringing.
Plus betting against America is a sucker bet.
Our country is fracking strong, and one community organizer and a few crazy people from California are not going to bring us down.
Warrior-Mentor
12-09-2009, 21:13
Thought I would share this (about 9 years old).
“About the time our original thirteen states adopted their new constitution in 1787, Alexander Tyler, a Scottish history professor at the University of Edinburgh, had this to say about the fall of the Athenian Republic some 2,000 years earlier: 'A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always vote for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship.'
The average age of the world's greatest civilizations from the beginning of history, has been about 200 years' During those 200 years, those nations always progressed through the following sequence
1. From bondage to spiritual faith;
2. From spiritual faith to great courage;
3. From courage to liberty;
4. From liberty to abundance;
5. From abundance to complacency;
6. From complacency to apathy;
7. From apathy to dependence;
8. From dependence back into bondage'
Professor Joseph Olson of Hemline University School of Law, St. Paul,
Minnesota , points out some interesting facts concerning the 2000
Presidential election:
Number of States won by:
Gore: 19
Bush: 29
Square miles of land won by:
Gore: 580,000
Bush: 2,427,000
Population of counties won by
Gore: 127 million
Bush: 143 million
Murder rate per 100,000 residents in counties won by
Gore: 13.2
Bush: 2.1
Professor Olson adds: 'In aggregate, the map of the territory Bush won was mostly the land owned by the taxpaying citizens of this great country. Gore's territory mostly encompassed those citizens living in government-owned tenements and living off various forms of government welfare...' Olson believes the United States is now somewhere between the 'complacency and apathy' phase of Professor Tyler's definition of democracy, with some forty percent of the nation's population already having reached the 'govern mental dependency' phase.”
Which makes me wonder what the statistics of the 2008 election are, and where we stand as a republic.
Obama's doing his part to make citzens dependent...
on his government and our country on other nations...
incarcerated
12-09-2009, 23:56
....and a few crazy people from California...
Yeah, we got those coming out our ass here. :D
I agree about our national strength.
Thought I would share this (about 9 years old).
“About the time our original thirteen states adopted their new constitution in 1787, Alexander Tyler, a Scottish history professor at the University of Edinburgh, had this to say about the fall of the Athenian Republic some 2,000 years earlier: 'A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always vote for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship.'
The average age of the world's greatest civilizations from the beginning of history, has been about 200 years' During those 200 years, those nations always progressed through the following sequence
1. From bondage to spiritual faith;
2. From spiritual faith to great courage;
3. From courage to liberty;
4. From liberty to abundance;
5. From abundance to complacency;
6. From complacency to apathy;
7. From apathy to dependence;
8. From dependence back into bondage'
Professor Joseph Olson of Hemline University School of Law, St. Paul,
Minnesota , points out some interesting facts concerning the 2000
Presidential election:
Number of States won by:
Gore: 19
Bush: 29
Square miles of land won by:
Gore: 580,000
Bush: 2,427,000
Population of counties won by
Gore: 127 million
Bush: 143 million
Murder rate per 100,000 residents in counties won by
Gore: 13.2
Bush: 2.1
Professor Olson adds: 'In aggregate, the map of the territory Bush won was mostly the land owned by the taxpaying citizens of this great country. Gore's territory mostly encompassed those citizens living in government-owned tenements and living off various forms of government welfare...' Olson believes the United States is now somewhere between the 'complacency and apathy' phase of Professor Tyler's definition of democracy, with some forty percent of the nation's population already having reached the 'govern mental dependency' phase.”
Which makes me wonder what the statistics of the 2008 election are, and where we stand as a republic.
And the 'smell test' of that post made me wonder, too, so... :confused:
Joseph Olson is a real Professor at Hamline University School of Law in St. Paul Minnesota but he did not write this, according to his faculty bio page on the university site. Olson called it "bogus" in his disclaimer and said that the eRumor dates back to 2000 and originally was a commentary about the Bush/Gore election which quoted an 1800's Scottish philosopher Alexander Tyler.
http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/o/joseph-olson.htm
And so it goes out there in the blogosphere...
Richard's jaded $.02 :munchin
Larry, it'll be okay. Just quit hanging out with NMAP so much.
What? Me, gloomy? :D
Let us suppose a skilled knife-maker has a bar of steel. He uses his knowledge and ability to make a fine knife. In doing so, he destroys the original bar of steel. So...is the destruction of the bar of steel bad? We cannot know until we see the blade that results, can we?
I largely agree with Rangertab's views on times and probabilities; however, the events are not necessarily bad. Let us suppose we have a decline in the stock market to some low level - 1,000 on the Dow. That's disastrous for some, even most people. But for those with some capital in reserve, it can be the opportunity to make a fortune. Likewise, if societal breakdown were to occur, it probably wouldn't be much more uncomfortable than the scenario in which Larry describes dining on raccoon - but it would make some important reforms possible. More pointedly, if one is going to refurbish the stable, one may need to clean out some accumulated organic matter first.
There is a tendency to say that the U.S. is strong. Perhaps we would gain by looking hard at what we mean when we say that. I don't think existing structures and practices are strong, for precisely the reason Richard stated - we "Cowboy up and drive on". In other words, we change and adapt. Our structures are fluid, mutable, and ever-changing. If we apply our intelligence, we might even see where trends are leading us and gain from those changes.
Is our direction leading to problems? I think so. And I suspect it will involve some of the same choices that hurt Argentina. For something a bit closer to home, take a look at what FDR said in 1942:
LINK (http://www.ibiblio.org/pha/policy/1942/420427b.html)
There are many fine folks on this site who are or have been leaders in organizations. A good leader will seek to advance the interests of the organization, even to the detriment of some individuals within that organization, will he not? And governments are, after all - organizations. Therefore, it is not unreasonable to suppose that the same patterns will apply if organizations we are part of experience stress.
Our task, then, is not to wring our hands, but rather to discern a path to protect our interests, both as individuals and as part of groups we care about. We can also choose to sacrifice our own interests. That decision is far beyond the scope of this post; however, the protection and improvement of our own interests requires us to develop some awareness of trends and potential threats.
What does that mean in the current context? In my opinion (YMMV!), having necessary and appropriate supplies, some skills, and some friends is a good start. Keeping some funds safe and liquid is another. If one were to believe that the pattern set by FDR, or by Argentina, is valid, then one might wish to discreetly pick up some pre-1964 U.S. coins (for the silver) or a few gold coins and keep very quiet about their location and existence. Should the organization in question pass laws to seize gold, as FDR did, then one must make a decision.
So, as we discuss gloom and doom, it might be worthwhile to remember that one person's disaster is another person's good fortune. If half the wheat in North America were to shrivel up and die, food would be more expensive and some people in the world might die of starvation. But a speculator who had the right futures contracts might become wealthy. So, no hand wringing, just profiteering! :D
The Reaper
12-10-2009, 09:50
Just to help out the stupid kid, what does some of these acronyms represent:
YMMV?
MOO?
:o
Your Ranger Tab is showing.
www.google.com
TR
Warrior-Mentor
12-10-2009, 09:58
Your Ranger Tab is showing.
www.google.com
TR
Rangertab - one hint TR forgot...add the word "means" to your search.
YMMV comes up easy, MOO needs the help...
And these cliche acronyms are overused, often improperly.
So better off sticking with real words.
But that's a MOO. :p
greenberetTFS
12-10-2009, 10:28
Your Ranger Tab is showing.
www.google.com
TR
Went there,then on to Definition by AcronynmFinder and came up with YMMV (Your mileage may vary) and for MOO (Mutual of Omaha). :rolleyes: Lot of help that was! :eek: You guys throw acronyms around here like crazy........:confused:
Big Teddy :munchin
YMMV - Your Mileage May Vary or Your Meaning May Vary
MOO - My Own Opinion or My Opinion Only
...we change and adapt.
...this is all I may be capable of.
I'm not above over preparing (if there is such a thing). I do it every winter. Have some land for a garden, maybe a spot for a pole beef, or a pig, some chickens, and room for a root cellar. Just wondering what would be left for the kids to build on and how to keep the pesky insurgents out of it. When I think of "American Insurgents" I don't think of Argentina, but rather Germany.
BTW, wetdog; Tribal Elders resemble braves who have grown wiser. Don't think I'm quite there yet. "Elder", yes.
(BTW, coon ain't bad if you get rid of the stink sacks, boil it with some salt, add some fresh seasoning, and baste it crispy in hog fat. Better if they grew up on corn than on diper garbage.)
For some reason, profanity always comes to mind with some of these arrangements. Lord forgive me.I live a stone's throw from the Fuller Theological Seminary. When I go to their bookstore, the impulse control goes sideways and the inner dialog resembles a conversation between Richard Pryor and someone with Tourette syndrome when I see what qualifies as a "discount.":confused:
It is only a matter of time before L.A. area news broadcasts tell of a "freak accident" in which bookcases collapse and crush a local cantankerous midget with a satchel (not a murse).
Utah Bob
12-10-2009, 17:27
Maybe you could park at the end of Utah Bob's 800' driveway.
I have a fine campsite by the reloading shed. Bring your own snowplow.
I also own the high ground for about 2 miles.:D
Sigaba, you made me laugh. I assume you are not tall?;)Not even a little. On the upside, I'm remarkably slow and have jumping skills so profound that I can easily clear a copy of the Los Angeles Times sports page from mid July.
Way back when, I'd participate in games of pick up basketball. Generally, defensive assignments are determined by height. Invariably, I'd be chasing around a guy taller, quicker, and less gravitationally challenged than I. "I got one! / I got one!" was the call my charge would utter as he raced to the low post and signaled for the rock.
A good ole boy once drawled sympathetically as he was in the process of dismantling me during a game, "[Sigaba], you don't have ups, you have downs.":(:p (I didn't feel too awful; he dismantled everyone.)
My best bet was to use varying combination of the following:
(a) to overplay the opposition to the point where his team mates wouldn't pass him the ball,
(b) master the art of the 'touch' foul [Maurice Cheeks drove Norm Nixon to distraction with this technique during the Lakers' duels with the Sixers back in the early 1980s],
(c) to perfect the craft of boxing out,
(d) and to engage in oddest form of trash talking many have ever heard. It is hard to hit a shot if you're laughing.
As Tommy Heinsohn would say, "Yabba dabba do!"
GratefulCitizen
12-10-2009, 22:59
Not even a little. On the upside, I'm remarkably slow and have jumping skills so profound that I can easily clear a copy of the Los Angeles Times sports page from mid July.
(c) to perfect the craft of boxing out,
Used to be able to defy gravity for brief periods back around age 20.
Loved to do creative things flying in on offensive rebounds.
Played on concrete courts 3-4 hours/night, 3-4 nights/week during the summer.
Guys like you terrified me.
The concrete was a long ways down.
Getting taken out about shin level whilst airborne was an ever-present danger. :eek:
You guys throw acronyms around here like crazy........:confused:
Big Teddy :munchin
Personally I don't like acronyms, but if I had you use one, it would be....
SUPERCALIFRAGILISTICEXPIALIDOIOUS
SPCNeil,
Spelling it correctly will be on the final exam, and knowing it's source, author, and usage will be graded as extra points earned. Good Luck.
PedOncoDoc
12-11-2009, 07:15
SUPERCALIFRAGILISTICEXPIALIDOCIOUS
I hope I didn't ruin his test. ;)
Red Flag 1
12-11-2009, 07:56
I hope I didn't ruin his test. ;)
Nah,.....you just passed it!:D
Julie Andrews in Marry Poppins.
Sherman Brothers c. 1964
She was explaining YMMV to Dick VanDyke.
RF 1
Julie Andrews in Marry Poppins.
And now we know who didn't. :p :D
Dozer523
12-11-2009, 08:52
Personally I don't like acronyms, but if I had you use one, it would be....
SUPERCALIFRAGILISTICEXPIALIDOIOUS
SPCNeil,
Spelling it correctly will be on the final exam, and knowing it's source, author, and usage will be graded as extra points earned. Good Luck.
oooh ooohh I know I know. (Julie Andrews was HOT!)
Red Flag 1
12-11-2009, 10:03
And now we know who didn't. :p :D
I can do lots worsser:D
RF 1
Aside from the "Q", the final exam at ANCOC/O&I presented a question.
"How many beds in a Soviet Field Hospital? The Anwer, does'nt matter, I still got it wrong.
But insult to injury, we were issued a 500 page, "Field Study Guide of Cold War Soviet Strength during the period of 1963 and 1980". The book was issued only 8 days before the Final Exam. We were told it contents would be on the test, and graded heavily. Several students freaked, others dismissed it at a distraction. But regardless of it's intent, they asked only one guestion from the whole DAMN THING.
Now back to our original programming.
"Seriously, what are we to do?"
PedOncoDoc
12-11-2009, 11:23
"How many beds in a Soviet Field Hospital? The Anwer, does'nt matter, I still got it wrong.
I would've answered "doesn't matter" also. :D
But I digress...
Streck-Fu
12-11-2009, 11:24
"Seriously, what are we to do?"
What would be the necessary catalyst for action? Which straw will break the camels back?
And in what context in the question intended as there is probably a different answer if intended for a citizen than a Soldier/Sailor/Marine/Airman.
As a citizens' reaction is it to be handled through elections and political action groups?
As members of the military, is there a probability of a set of orders that will easily be defined as unlawful? For clarity, I am not asking for opinions or examples of what orders you feel would cause such a decision (unless you want to express it) but do you think it probable (anything is possible).
Warrior-Mentor
12-11-2009, 11:24
Now back to our original programming.
"Seriously, what are we to do?"
My vote for a start...
http://www.professionalsoldiers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26249&highlight=fight+jihad
greenberetTFS
12-11-2009, 12:05
And now we know who didn't.
Nothing,"absolutely nothing" gets by Richard................:rolleyes::eek::p
Big Teddy :munchin
ZonieDiver
12-11-2009, 20:34
oooh ooohh I know I know. (Julie Andrews was HOT!)
She was hotter in "Torn Curtain" which came out after "Mary Poppins"!
Used to be able to defy gravity for brief periods back around age 20.
Loved to do creative things flying in on offensive rebounds.
Played on concrete courts 3-4 hours/night, 3-4 nights/week during the summer.
Guys like you terrified me.
The concrete was a long ways down.
Getting taken out about shin level whilst airborne was an ever-present danger. :eek:An advantage to always being the least skilled athlete on the court was that I had to learn how not to be a menace to high fly acts like you.
Fortunately, growing up in L.A. during the Lakers "Showtime" years, one could learn by studying the finer points practice by some of the all-time greats. As the photos in the links illustrate, the best way to keep guys off the offensive boards is to keep them on the ground <<LINK (http://www.lakersuniverse.com/pictures/magic_johnson_larry_bird_2.jpg)>> <<LINK2 (http://i.cdn.turner.com/sivault/multimedia/photo_gallery/0902/lakers.historical.photos/images/magic-johnson-larry-bird.jpg)>>.;)
oooh ooohh I know I know. (Julie Andrews was HOT!)She was hotter in "Torn Curtain" which came out after "Mary Poppins"!She quite hot in her husband's film, S.O.B. (1981).
Dozer523
12-11-2009, 21:19
But insult to injury, we were issued a 500 page, "Field Study Guide of Cold War Soviet Strength during the period of 1963 and 1980". The book was issued only 8 days before the Final Exam. We were told it contents would be on the test, and graded heavily. Several students freaked, others dismissed it at a distraction. But regardless of it's intent, they asked only one guestion from the whole DAMN THING.
Now back to our original programming.
"Seriously, what are we to do?" IOAC in the 80's made us memorize and draw all the little symbols for an entire Soviet Motorized Rifle Regiment (with spacing).
ZonieDiver
12-11-2009, 21:25
IOAC in the 80's made us memorize and draw all the little symbols for an entire Soviet Motorized Rifle Regiment (with spacing).
All I remember from those days is something about a damned "bread truck"!
By comparison, what is different today?
18xer's chime in.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jdx26aLAZq4