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Warrior-Mentor
11-26-2009, 18:19
America as Texas vs. California
By Ryan Streeter
November 23, 2009, 12:48 pm

New Geography, the online magazine created by Joel Kotkin and others with a special focus on demographics and trends, has been tracking the implosion of California in an interesting way: by comparing it to Texas.

Texas and California are America’s two most populous states, together numbering approximately 55 million people, which is only about 6 million less than the United Kingdom, where I live.

California, as everyone knows, has a coolness factor that Texas cannot match. Hollywood, Silicon Valley, and wine. Say no more. But, unless one has been living in a cave, everyone knows that the cool state is also the broke state. If Hollywood turned California’s budget and fiscal position into a movie, it would be a blockbuster horror film indeed.

Texas, on the other hand, is growing, creating wealth, and attracting the entrepreneurial and creative classes that too many people think only go to places like New York and California.

This interesting post by Tory Gattis at New Geography explains why. He shares a four-point analysis from Trends magazine:

First, Texans on average believe in laissez-faire markets with an emphasis on individual responsibility. Since the ’80s, California’s policy-makers have favored central planning solutions and a reliance on a government social safety net. This unrelenting commitment to big government has led to a huge tax burden and triggered a mass exodus of jobs. The Trends Editors examined the resulting migration in “Voting with Our Feet,” in the April 2008 issue of Trends.

Second, Californians have largely treated environmentalism as a “religious sacrament” rather than as one component among many in maximizing people’s quality of life. As we explained in “The Road Ahead for Housing,” in the June 2009 issue of Trends, environmentally-based land-use restriction centered in California played a huge role in inflating the recent housing bubble. Similarly, an unwillingness to manage ecology proactively for man’s benefit has been behind the recent epidemic of wildfires.

Third, California has placed “ethnic diversity” above “assimilation,” while Texas has done the opposite. “Identity politics” has created psychological ghettos that have prevented many of California’s diverse ethnic groups and subcultures from integrating fully into the mainstream. Texas, on the other hand, has proactively encouraged all the state’s residents to join the mainstream.

Fourth, beyond taxes, diversity, and the environment, Texas has focused on streamlining the regulatory and litigation burden on its residents. Meanwhile, California’s government has attempted to use regulation and litigation to transfer wealth from its creators to various special-interest constituencies.

I wrote an article for New Geography related to the second point last spring. The role played by housing regulations in the housing bubble is one of the most under-reported and under-analyzed factors contributing to the 2008 financial crisis, and nowhere was its destructive force more evident than in California. Regulators lathered on rule after rule to construction requirements, escalating costs so dramatically that lenders had to design “exotic” mortgages so even relatively affluent people could afford homes. One of Texas’s attractions, meanwhile, was the opportunity of much more affordable homeownership.

Perhaps the analysis above falls a bit short, though, in not giving enough attention to role that the tax structure in California has played in driving people away, and the parallel problem of the state’s hemorrhaging public sector workforce. Kotkin has written in Forbes that California’s government workforce has saddled the state’s budget with $200 billion in unfunded pension liabilities. Kotkin also points out that California has been losing high-tech jobs to the Southwest and elsewhere because of its increasingly hostile tax and regulatory environment.

By now, the subtext of this post should be clear: the Obama administration is behaving as though California were its model for growth. Increasing unfunded liabilities, proposing $1 trillion in new healthcare spending, responding to the economic crisis with new regulatory agencies but balking on the core causes of the problem—all of this and more betrays a sinister psychology of policy making.

Like California, the Obama team and their congressional allies seem to think that entrepreneurs and business leaders will simply sit there and take it, doing their “civic duty” by paying new direct and indirect taxes, and complying like obsequious puppies with new regulatory requirements. California provides pretty good evidence that this type of “civic duty” wears thin. The best and the brightest won’t just sit there and take it. We are already seeing this in the UK, where entrepreneurs and the job-creating class are leaving (witness this rather enjoyable account of the situation by London’s mayor, Boris Johnson).

“Texas vs. California”—hardly any phrase more succinctly captures the battle going on today for America’s philosophical soul.

Ryan Streeter is a senior fellow at the London-based Legatum Institute

SOURCE:
http://blog.american.com/?p=7451

mojaveman
11-26-2009, 21:06
Interesting post WM,

With the exception of when I was in the military I have lived in California all of my life. I believe that California has taken a bad path in the past few decades. I work in management in a medium size company that has about 15 employees. The thing that hurts us the most is workers compensation insurance and enviromental regulations. The Golden State has become very unfriendly to small business or any business for that matter. I have seen a host of companies leave the region that I live in and relocate to Nevada or Arizona just to get away from the regulations and high cost of operation. With a population that is going to grow tremendously in the next few decades California needs to be good to business in order to have a large tax base to support the infastructure. I also hold the opinion that public employees in California, whether they be city, county, or state, are overcompensated. At retirement many of them leave the State and move where their pensions will afford them a better living. Oh well, I've often thought about selling out and moving to a small place in the Ozarks or the Smokies. Kalifornia is going to hell in a hand basket.

Guy
11-26-2009, 22:27
I'm on my way!:lifter

CA state taxes are killing me...:(

Stay safe.

greenberetTFS
11-27-2009, 11:45
I'm waiting to hear from the man that has lived in both states and must have a very authorative comment regarding this post..;) Richard,where are you? :rolleyes: He must have missed this post! :eek:

Big Teddy :munchin

Richard
11-27-2009, 12:47
There are a number of reasons I now live in Texas - and those outlined in the OpEd piece are a few of them. ;)

Richard's $.02 :munchin

Guy
11-27-2009, 23:44
There are a number of reasons I now live in Texas - and those outlined in the OpEd piece are a few of them. ;)

Richard's $.02 :munchinThe next SOB that talks about raising CA state taxes may get slapped.:eek:

C-RAM blasting away and alarm screaming "TAKE COVER!" which I'm NOT about to do unless they start landing danger close so, I look up inside the CHU (trailer) thinking..."Is this shit worth it?"

Being the type of person some of us are, I think to myself...

"FUCK YOU! Come on MFers, bring it on bitches!":lifter

Or

Like I said to one of docs about getting killed...

"Doc! If it happens...no more taxes or that faggot ass MSM no more...FIDO!"

Stay safe.

FirstClass
11-28-2009, 00:46
I have lived in San Antonio for the past 8 years. If you move to Texas, don't come here. Ya its not too hard to get a job, but all the jobs revolve around food, sex and alcohol. Ive heard that east Texas is nice, not sure really what's out there, don't hear alot from them. not to mention there's NOTHING TO DO(you can only go to six flags and sea world so many times, not to mention the places don't smell very good!) Rude culture, bossy, selfish people for the most part, terrible drivers. My recruiter just got transferred out because he says it's too dangerous for his kids. Its a hip hop, R&B, and rap culture. San Antonio has one of the highest teen pregnancy rates in the country http://womensissues.about.com/od/datingandsex/a/TeenPregStates.htm states Texas as #5 Cali at #7.
Im likely heading to LA in bout 9 months. Upon my friends advice he said to visit first, check everything out then decide.

Richard
11-28-2009, 07:05
The next SOB that talks about raising CA state taxes may get slapped.

One big problem these Leftwing states have, in particular Cali, is the power of the environmental lobby...

Two BIG reasons why I won't return to CA and why I sold the family ranch in NorCal even though the ranch was grandfathered under Prop13 and set up as a Trust which kept the taxes relatively low. I'm still pissed off over having to spend over $5k for friggin dumpsters to haul off old timber and trash while cleaning up the property and getting rid of some old barns and fencing. We used to just pile it all up and burn it, then disc the ashes back into the soil - try it now and somebody who never grew up around a ranch/farm will report you within 5 minutes of spotting the smoke and the fines are gross. You can't even burn the stubble fields and then disc the needed ash back into the rice fields anymore in the Valley. :mad:

MY oldest and his family live in Marin County just north of San Francisco - the leading planet of eco-kookism (I refer to them as Marinians) who act like something out of a Star Trek episode driving around in their Priuses (one of the most environmentally hazardous vehicles produced) with an eco-holier than thou attitude that makes me wish I had a '51 Chevy 3/4 ton pickup with a railroad tie for a front bumper to just push them into a ditch everytime I see one.

My son was driving between the ranch near Sacramento over to Novato one day in the nicely restored '63 Chevy pickup which belonged to 'Grampa.' It's got a 235ci straight six and is in excellent condition - almost looks new - and easily passes any emissions tests. The pickup is of great sentimental value to us, and is fun to drive around in and talk to ffolkes who like old iron and wanna talk cars. Well, in CA, the eco-Hitler Youth rats can call an effin' HOT LINE and file a complaint w/o telling you who did it - so we got a letter from the State telling us that someone saw the pickup over on 37 between Novato and Vallejo and it was 'polluting' - pure BS but we had to send in copies of the mechanical and emissions testing records, as well as taking it to a testing station to confirm its meeting current emissions standards. Never heard another word from the State but it still pisses me off - :mad: - effin' eco-NAZIs - think I'll start calling them eco-jihadis from now on.

I'll periodically visit my son's family and spend some time in the wine country driving around in a rental car - but I'm living out my days in Texas where the attitude around here is like the one CA used to have (but has no longer) and where the idea of minimizing taxes is a reality vs just another California dreamin' wish.

Richard's $.02 :munchin

Warrior-Mentor
11-28-2009, 09:23
Two BIG reasons why I won't return to CA and why I sold the family ranch in NorCal even though the ranch was grandfathered under Prop13 and set up as a Trust which kept the taxes relatively low. I'm still pissed off over having to spend over $5k for friggin dumpsters to haul off old timber and trash while cleaning up the property and getting rid of some old barns and fencing. We used to just pile it all up and burn it, then disc the ashes back into the soil - try it now and somebody who never grew up around a ranch/farm will report you within 5 minutes of spotting the smoke and the fines are gross. You can't even burn the stubble fields and then disc the needed ash back into the rice fields anymore in the Valley. :mad:

Richard's $.02 :munchin

Then they wonder.."Why are we having these awful forest fires??? MUST be GLOBAL WARMING!!!"

mojaveman
11-28-2009, 09:37
Two BIG reasons why I won't return to CA and why I sold the family ranch in NorCal even though the ranch was grandfathered under Prop13 and set up as a Trust which kept the taxes relatively low. I'm still pissed off over having to spend over $5k for friggin dumpsters to haul off old timber and trash while cleaning up the property and getting rid of some old barns and fencing. We used to just pile it all up and burn it, then disc the ashes back into the soil - try it now and somebody who never grew up around a ranch/farm will report you within 5 minutes of spotting the smoke and the fines are gross. You can't even burn the stubble fields and then disc the needed ash back into the rice fields anymore in the Valley. :mad:

MY oldest and his family live in Marin County just north of San Francisco - the leading planet of eco-kookism (I refer to them as Marinians) who act like something out of a Star Trek episode driving around in their Priuses (one of the most environmentally hazardous vehicles produced) with an eco-holier than thou attitude that makes me wish I had a '51 Chevy 3/4 ton pickup with a railroad tie for a front bumper to just push them into a ditch everytime I see one.

My son was driving between the ranch near Sacramento over to Novato one day in the nicely restored '63 Chevy pickup which belonged to 'Grampa.' It's got a 235ci straight six and is in excellent condition - almost looks new - and easily passes any emissions tests. The pickup is of great sentimental value to us, and is fun to drive around in and talk to ffolkes who like old iron and wanna talk cars. Well, in CA, the eco-Hitler Youth rats can call an effin' HOT LINE and file a complaint w/o telling you who did it - so we got a letter from the State telling us that someone saw the pickup over on 37 between Novato and Vallejo and it was 'polluting' - pure BS but we had to send in copies of the mechanical and emissions testing records, as well as taking it to a testing station to confirm its meeting current emissions standards. Never heard another word from the State but it still pisses me off - :mad: - effin' eco-NAZIs - think I'll start calling them eco-jihadis from now on.

I'll periodically visit my son's family and spend some time in the wine country driving around in a rental car - but I'm living out my days in Texas where the attitude around here is like the one CA used to have (but has no longer) and where the idea of minimizing taxes is a reality vs just another California dreamin' wish.

Richard's $.02 :munchin

I agree totally Richard,

I could tell horror stories about what some of the enviro-nazis have done to our company and I'm talking thousands and thousands of dollars. All of this enviromental protection business equates to millions of dollars both for California and for all of the speciality companies that are tied into it. For a long time I've been seriously thinking about living somewhere else.

incarcerated
11-28-2009, 13:06
All weekend, I've been hearing radio ads for the State program that will give you $1,000 to retire (i.e. scrap) your vehicle if it won't pass smog. The state is broke, but it has enough money to pay people for junk cars, and advertise for it as well. I just saw a TV ad put on by the County of Los Angeles: they will help you with your rent. Yeah. Housing assistance is alive and doing well in Los Angeles, where a program like this can afford the price of television ads. And no, I wasn't watching the Los Angeles Unified School District's TV channel. (Yes, they have their own channel on UHF.)
When you buy people's votes with government largesse, it stops being democracy. We have a corrupt political machine here in Kalifornia, not a representative government.

craigepo
11-28-2009, 14:21
Man, I love the ozarks. I bought a 230-acre farm for $1,000 per acre. Taxes are $300 per year. Did a controlled burn of the farm this spring---neighbors came over and helped(I had to supply the beer). Water from my own well. Food plots for the critters. Only problem is poachers, and they leave me alone, as I'm the judge in the county and my mother owns the only liquor store in the county.
Now my neighbor called. He has seen 4 coveys of quail, and wants me to bring my bird dogs over. Were we talking about California?

incarcerated
11-28-2009, 14:29
Man, I love the ozarks. I bought a 230-acre farm for $1,000 per acre. Taxes are $300 per year....Now my neighbor called. He has seen 4 coveys of quail, and wants me to bring my bird dogs over. Were we talking about California?

I'll be right over!
:D

FirstClass
11-29-2009, 00:59
Nothing to see around here.

Bunch of backwards, beer drinkin, unfriendly hillbillies riding around on ATVs hunting hogs with dogs. Water stinks. Soil isn't rich. Fish don't bite. Lots of snakes.

Overall, unfit for most civilized folks.:munchin

Aw man, I knew you guys were having all the fun!:p
I'll bet you don't even have to shower or put on underwear, or clip your toenails.

Irishsquid
11-29-2009, 06:47
your post...


You've clearly not been in the same San Antonio I live in.
Jobs:
1) several military bases, hiring for tons of GS and contract jobs
2) the medical center
3) USAA


Between the three of those, there are TONS of great jobs, open right now. The jobs here only revolve around food, sex, and alcohol, if you have absolutely no education or ambition. Hell, I have a GED, some certifications, and some military experience, and I'm making great money just to sit on my ass...and when this contract is done, it'll be easy to find another job.


Nothing to do:
1) spurs
2) walk in the hill country
3) oakhills tavern
4) plenty of concerts

We also have one of the best income:cost of living ratios in the country...

Just the first few things I could think of, off the top of my head.



I've met VERY few rude, bossy, or selfish people in SA, though yes, they are terrible drivers. As for SA being too dangerous, I'd like to know what neighborhood your recruiter lived in. Right in the middle of the "ghetto?" Newsflash...that's what you usually get when you look for someplace to get by on 300.00 a month rent.

San Antonio, like any other city, has its good parts and its bad parts. Of course downtown sucks...it's downtown. Its only redeeming feature is the Alamo. Of course the Southwest side sucks...it's the low-income, no-questions-asked, 100% Hispanic side of town. You, sir, sound like you've never bothered to experience the city you live in, having instead experienced life through the 10:00 news. Go take a walk around the grounds of the Alamo, "unimpressive," though it is. Listen to the city when the Spurs win a game. Find an old, run down Taqueria, which couldn't possibly pass health code, and sit down, drink an horchata, eat some tacos, and just listen to people talk. (I can recommend a few good Taquerias, by the way.) Hell, do anything to experience a city you've clearly missed out on.