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Warrior-Mentor
11-25-2009, 22:22
I'm confused...someone enlighten me: :confused:
1. Wasn't Obama's Grandmother a Christian during the campaign?
2. Since when are Christians allowed in Mecca?
3. And since when do Christians attend the hajj?
Saudi Arabia: Obama's grandmother
in Mecca for 'Hajj' ceremony
Mecca, 25 Nov. (AKI) - The grandmother of US president Barack Obama has arrived in Saudi Arabia for the 'Hajj' or Islamic pilgrimage to the holy cities of Mecca and Medina, a Saudi daily said on Wednesday. Sarah Obama, 87, is being accompanied by a nephew and Obama's cousin, Omran.
On Wednesday Sarah Obama was in the valley of Mina with an African delegation, according to the Saudi daily Okaz.
Obama, the mother of the American president's father, lives in a village in Kenya and is one of the many guests of Saudi Arabia's King Abdullah bin Abdul Aziz al-Saud.
About two million Muslims converge on Mecca each year for the Hajj pilgrimage but Saudi officials were expecting fewer pilgrims this year due to the threat of the H1N1 virus known as swine flu.
Crowds of pilgrims have been converging on the holy city of Mecca in recent days, and started the Hajj rites on Wednesday.
At the weekend, Saudi health authorities said that four people attending the Hajj had died from the H1N1 virus but sought to play down the risk.
The Hajj is one of the five pillars of Islam. It is an obligation for all able-bodied Muslims to attend at least once during their lives, provided they can afford it.
SOURCE:
http://www.adnkronos.com/AKI/English/Religion/?id=3.0.4036802442
But but but but bubbie was a Christian last year. Like grandma, like grandson.
SOURCE:
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2009/11/obamas-grandmama-is-in-mecca-for-hajj-cereemony.html
Obama's "Christian" grandmother in Mecca for Hajj
Why the deception? And who was behind it? AP? The Obama camp? Someone else? What was its purpose?
AP, March 5, 2008:
"In the world of today, children have different religions from their parents," she said. She, too, is a Christian.
FULL AP STORY:
Obama's grandma slams 'untruths'
AP 3/05/2008
By Katharine Houreld,
Associated Press
KOGELO, Kenya — American shock jocks, dirty tricks masterminds and political bloggers: Beware the wrath of an 86-year-old Kenyan villager.
A frown replaces the dimpled beam of Sarah Hussein Obama, grandmother of U.S. senator Barack Obama, when asked on Wednesday about recent attacks on her grandson that include the spreading of rumors that he is secretly a Muslim and the repeated use of his middle name — Hussein — by a radio host at rally of the Republican presidential candidate.
"Untruths are told that don't have anything to do with what Barack is about," she said in the local Luo language, her gray hair smoothed neatly under a headwrap. "I am very against it."
Obama and fellow senator Hillary Clinton are close in the race for the Democratic presidential nomination after results from races on Tuesday. Clinton, who was trailing Obama, won the crucial states of Texas and Ohio and won big in Rhode Island. Obama's thin lead narrowed further after he only picked up Vermont.
In recent weeks, two Clinton volunteers in the state of Iowa resigned after forwarding false e-mails falsely saying he was a Muslim and a threat to national security. Matt Drudge, who publishes the political blog the Drudge Report, said that he was e-mailed a widely circulated picture of Obama in a turban and robe by the Clinton campaign.
"Bringing such pictures that are trying to imply that not only is he a foreigner, he is a Muslim is wrong, because that is not what he is," scolded Sarah Obama.
The photo was taken when he was presented with the outfit while on a visit to his late father's native Kenya, where many of the family still live. Clinton campaign officials have said they did not condone any such dirty tricks.
Obama's grandfather had converted to Islam from Roman Catholicism and taken the name Hussein, Sarah Obama said, but his children had inherited only the name, not the religion. Each person should be able to choose how they worshipped, she said.
"In the world of today, children have different religions from their parents," she said. She, too, is a Christian.
Barack Obama has visited his Kenyan relatives three times in Kogelo, and his grandmother has gone to the U.S. twice. She says they are close, although they have to speak through an interpreter.
Sarah Obama was the second wife of the candidate's late grandfather, so is not his biological grandmother. But Barack Obama's half sister, Auma Obama, said: "By our definition, in our culture, she is his grandmother," she said.
The intense interest generated by the race for the Democratic nomination — between two candidates who would either be the first female or the first black president — has thrust Obama's Kenyan family into the spotlight.
Four wheel drive vehicles packed with journalists bounce over the rutted red roads, and students at the local high school named after him don't even turn anymore to watch as crews unload satellite equipment under a mango tree.
Each twist and turn of the race is closely scrutinized, says Auma Obama. The family gathered in his grandmother's house on Tuesday night to watch the results come in, she said, on a television donated by a family friend — the grandmother's own simple house does not have one of its own.
"Barack's done extremely well and we're very proud of him," Auma Obama said when asked for a reaction to the losses on Tuesday. "This is like a football match. The game continues."
SOURCE:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2008-03-05-obama-kin_N.htm
ZonieDiver
11-25-2009, 22:24
One wonders...
dirtyshirt
11-26-2009, 03:26
please,correct me if I get this wrong....
In Islam,it is O.K. to lie, as long as that lie furthers the cause of Islam,and/or as long as you are lying to a unbeliever,or lying to further the "Jihad".
So since the only lies were to the American (non muslim) people,and since it furtherd whomever's agenda,of getting Barry (who we will all find out shortly really IS a practicing Muslim I will bet)elected to the most powerful position available in the United States...
nah. Maybe we ALL heard them wrong. Yeah,thats what it is.
Warrior-Mentor
11-26-2009, 07:25
please,correct me if I get this wrong....
In Islam,it is O.K. to lie, as long as that lie furthers the cause of Islam,and/or as long as you are lying to a unbeliever,or lying to further the "Jihad".
So since the only lies were to the American (non muslim) people,and since it furtherd whomever's agenda,of getting Barry (who we will all find out shortly really IS a practicing Muslim I will bet)elected to the most powerful position available in the United States...
nah. Maybe we ALL heard them wrong. Yeah,thats what it is.
Suspect you had it right the first time...
WSJ Sen. Barack Obama's grandmother died Sunday night, just hours before a presidential election in which her grandson could become the first African-American to win the nation's highest office.
"It is with great sadness that we announce that our grandmother, Madelyn Dunham, has died peacefully after a battle with cancer," Sen. Obama and his half-sister Maya Soetoro-Ng said in a joint statement Monday.
Time
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1717590,00.html (http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1717590,00.html)
Several thousand miles and a world away, Barack Obama is campaigning to change American politics. But in the tiny farmstead where his father used to herd goats, his Kenyan relatives are praying for anything but more political upheaval. "We are spending sleepless nights praying that peace will prevail," says the 86-year-old woman whom the presidential contender calls Granny Sarah.
The Obamas' home has been spared the violence that has wracked Kenya since President Mwai Kibaki was sworn in for a controversial second term two months ago. More than 1,000 people have been killed and hundreds of thousands more uprooted, forced to return to their tribal homelands as waves of political violence brought decades of ethnic tension into the open.
Outside the Obama home, calves are grazing on the thick green grass that grows here in one of Kenya's most fertile regions. Plowed fields stand ready to be sown with maize. And scrawny chickens peck for grubs in the shade of mango trees. Inside, Granny Sarah's simple sitting room is plastered with black-and-white photographs of Obama Senior — the stepson she raised as her own — alongside Obama Junior's campaign posters.
Her eyes sparkle as she talks of her pride at his success and how he will make a fine President. "He is very loving and very hardworking and never had to be told what to do," she says, pointing out a photograph of a young, gangly Obama with a sack of vegetables over his shoulder during his first visit to Kenya. "Even though he is very learned, he's a very good listener and respects the opinions of others." A chicken wanders in through the open door and Granny Sarah hauls herself out of her chair to shoo it away.
As she settles back down, Granny Sarah, a non-practicing Muslim whose real name is Sarah Anyango Obama, says: "The senior Barack was a great friend of President Kibaki and also with Raila Odinga, so if Barry becomes President of America he will be well placed to help find peace." (Violence broke out in Kenya after Raila Odinga, the leader of the opposition Orange Democratic Movement, accused Kibaki of stealing the election. It opened up tribal fissures that many thought Kenya had long ago moved beyond. On Feb. 28, after on-again-off-again negotiations led by former U.N. Secretary General Kofi Annan, the two bitter rivals agreed to form a coalition government.) While there is simple pride at Obama's rise to prominence in the U.S., there has also been hope that his influence could go a long way toward calming the country's political turmoil. He has kept in regular touch with his relatives here for updates.
The Obamas live about an hour's drive — first on potholed asphalt roads then on a rutted dirt track into the village of Kogelo — from the city of Kisumu, the center of opposition support, standing on the shores of Lake Victoria. The population here is Luo, arch-rivals of President Kibaki's Kikuyu tribe. Angry mobs torched shops, bars and garages belonging to Kikuyu businessmen and forced their families to board buses for their tribal homelands in Central Kenya. In spite of the apparent political breakthrough in the capital Nairobi, the anger remains even if the mobs have been called off for now.
Every street corner in Kogelo hosts a political debate. It usually starts with a discussion of Kenya's crisis before moving on quickly to the chances of a Luo son moving into the White House. Maurice Kogode is the chairman of the grandly named Central Square Consultation Forum, which meets beneath a vast jacaranda tree. He says Obama's message of hope and change designed for voters in America also offers inspiration to young Kenyans. "Too many politicians here have an egocentric mind and they just won't give in," says Kogode. "They protect their own interests, not the majority."
In a country where politics has become a byword for corruption and tribal loyalty, Obama offers a different model, he explains. Instead of a leader who would use power to ensure his supporters get their turn at the trough, showering jobs, grants and contracts on family, he is seen by many as a President who would govern in the interests of all.
Not everyone sees it that way, though. A steady stream of would-be economic migrants has been arriving at Granny Sarah's door seeking an American visa. Almost every day she has to explain that the U.S. embassy in Nairobi is the only place that can make their American dream come true. (There's been a steady stream of journalists as well, so many that appointments now have to be made in advance before Granny Sarah will see them.) But even Granny Sarah admits to harboring secret hopes of a local windfall if Obama's momentum carries him all the way to America's highest office. "What we hope is that with his Kenyan and Africa roots we will see some of the fruits of his power, like electricity, water and a new road," she says simply in her native Luo language.
Based on the old Time report, it is Granny Sarah, his step-Grandmother. The blogs including WND appear to confirm that it is Sarah. And it appears she has become a practicing Muslim again.
So we have conflicting stories from Feb & Mar 2008. One she's a non-practicing Muslim and the other she is a Christian.
In 2009 she toddles off to Mecca.
Or are there two Sarah Obama the Grandmother?
I wonder what else the MSM is trying to keep under cover
kimberly
11-26-2009, 08:57
So we have conflicting stories from Feb & Mar 2008. One she's a non-practicing Muslim and the other she is a Christian.
In 2009 she toddles off to Mecca.
Or are there two Sarah Obama the Grandmother?
I wonder what else the MSM is trying to keep under cover
Let's not forget that she also proclaimed that she was present at Obie's birth IN KENYA
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Blogs/Message.aspx/3074
"Someone is lying. According to Obama's Kenyan (paternal) grandmother, as well as his half-brother and half-sister, Barack Hussein Obama was born in Kenya, not in Hawaii as the Democratic candidate for president claims. His grandmother bragged that her grandson is about to be President of the United States and is so proud because she was present DURING HIS BIRTH IN KENYA, in the delivery room."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=284x549
They don't know. Shoot, it wasn't THAT long ago.
As far as her going to Mecca, no Christian would have a reason to be there for hajj.
WSJ Sen. Barack Obama's grandmother died Sunday night, just hours before a presidential election in which her grandson could become the first African-American to win the nation's highest office.
"It is with great sadness that we announce that our grandmother, Madelyn Dunham, has died peacefully after a battle with cancer," Sen. Obama and his half-sister Maya Soetoro-Ng said in a joint statement Monday.
Time
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1717590,00.html (http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1717590,00.html)
Several thousand miles and a world away, Barack Obama is campaigning to change American politics. But in the tiny farmstead where his father used to herd goats, his Kenyan relatives are praying for anything but more political upheaval. "We are spending sleepless nights praying that peace will prevail," says the 86-year-old woman whom the presidential contender calls Granny Sarah.
The Obamas' home has been spared the violence that has wracked Kenya since President Mwai Kibaki was sworn in for a controversial second term two months ago. More than 1,000 people have been killed and hundreds of thousands more uprooted, forced to return to their tribal homelands as waves of political violence brought decades of ethnic tension into the open.
Outside the Obama home, calves are grazing on the thick green grass that grows here in one of Kenya's most fertile regions. Plowed fields stand ready to be sown with maize. And scrawny chickens peck for grubs in the shade of mango trees. Inside, Granny Sarah's simple sitting room is plastered with black-and-white photographs of Obama Senior — the stepson she raised as her own — alongside Obama Junior's campaign posters.
Her eyes sparkle as she talks of her pride at his success and how he will make a fine President. "He is very loving and very hardworking and never had to be told what to do," she says, pointing out a photograph of a young, gangly Obama with a sack of vegetables over his shoulder during his first visit to Kenya. "Even though he is very learned, he's a very good listener and respects the opinions of others." A chicken wanders in through the open door and Granny Sarah hauls herself out of her chair to shoo it away.
As she settles back down, Granny Sarah, a non-practicing Muslim whose real name is Sarah Anyango Obama, says: "The senior Barack was a great friend of President Kibaki and also with Raila Odinga, so if Barry becomes President of America he will be well placed to help find peace." (Violence broke out in Kenya after Raila Odinga, the leader of the opposition Orange Democratic Movement, accused Kibaki of stealing the election. It opened up tribal fissures that many thought Kenya had long ago moved beyond. On Feb. 28, after on-again-off-again negotiations led by former U.N. Secretary General Kofi Annan, the two bitter rivals agreed to form a coalition government.) While there is simple pride at Obama's rise to prominence in the U.S., there has also been hope that his influence could go a long way toward calming the country's political turmoil. He has kept in regular touch with his relatives here for updates.
The Obamas live about an hour's drive — first on potholed asphalt roads then on a rutted dirt track into the village of Kogelo — from the city of Kisumu, the center of opposition support, standing on the shores of Lake Victoria. The population here is Luo, arch-rivals of President Kibaki's Kikuyu tribe. Angry mobs torched shops, bars and garages belonging to Kikuyu businessmen and forced their families to board buses for their tribal homelands in Central Kenya. In spite of the apparent political breakthrough in the capital Nairobi, the anger remains even if the mobs have been called off for now.
Every street corner in Kogelo hosts a political debate. It usually starts with a discussion of Kenya's crisis before moving on quickly to the chances of a Luo son moving into the White House. Maurice Kogode is the chairman of the grandly named Central Square Consultation Forum, which meets beneath a vast jacaranda tree. He says Obama's message of hope and change designed for voters in America also offers inspiration to young Kenyans. "Too many politicians here have an egocentric mind and they just won't give in," says Kogode. "They protect their own interests, not the majority."
In a country where politics has become a byword for corruption and tribal loyalty, Obama offers a different model, he explains. Instead of a leader who would use power to ensure his supporters get their turn at the trough, showering jobs, grants and contracts on family, he is seen by many as a President who would govern in the interests of all.
Not everyone sees it that way, though. A steady stream of would-be economic migrants has been arriving at Granny Sarah's door seeking an American visa. Almost every day she has to explain that the U.S. embassy in Nairobi is the only place that can make their American dream come true. (There's been a steady stream of journalists as well, so many that appointments now have to be made in advance before Granny Sarah will see them.) But even Granny Sarah admits to harboring secret hopes of a local windfall if Obama's momentum carries him all the way to America's highest office. "What we hope is that with his Kenyan and Africa roots we will see some of the fruits of his power, like electricity, water and a new road," she says simply in her native Luo language.
Based on the old Time report, it is Granny Sarah, his step-Grandmother. The blogs including WND appear to confirm that it is Sarah. And it appears she has become a practicing Muslim again.
incarcerated
11-26-2009, 10:29
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2009/11/on-thanksgiving-eve-barack-obamas-special-message-to-muslims.html
On Thanksgiving eve, Obama issues special Hajj message to world's Muslims
November 25, 2009 | 4:14 pm
Statement by the President on Hajj and Eid-ul-Adha, as provided by the White House
Michelle and I would like to send our best wishes to all those performing Hajj this year, and to Muslims in America and around the world who are celebrating Eid-ul-Adha. The rituals of Hajj and Eid-ul-Adha both serve as reminders of the shared Abrahamic roots of three of the world’s major religions.
During Hajj, the world’s largest and most diverse gathering, three million Muslims from all walks of life – including thousands of American Muslims – will stand in prayer on Mount Arafat. The following day, Muslims around the world will celebrate Eid-ul-Adha and distribute food to the less fortunate to commemorate Abraham’s willingness to sacrifice his son out of obedience to God.
This year, I am pleased that the Department of Health and Human Services has partnered with the Saudi Health Ministry to prevent and limit the spread of H1N1 during Hajj. Cooperating on combating H1N1 is one of the ways we are implementing my administration's commitment to partnership in areas of mutual interest.
On behalf of the American people, we would like to extend our greetings during this Hajj season – Eid Mubarak.
###
Not directly related to the Grandmother, but related to Obama and Thanksgiving
http://politics.theatlantic.com/2009/11/obamas_thanksgiving_message_to_supporters.php
Nov 25 2009, 4:53 pm by Chris Good
Obama's Thanksgiving Message To Supporters
Here's the Thanskgiving message President Obama sent to his campaign supporters Wednesday afternoon, calling to mind American soldiers and workers who can't be with their families for the holiday, and thanking supporters who have backed him "through the victories and the setbacks":
Chris --
Tomorrow, Thanksgiving Day, Americans across the country will sit down together, count our blessings, and give thanks for our families and our loved ones.
American families reflect the diversity of this great nation. No two are exactly alike, but there is a common thread they each share.
Our families are bound together through times of joy and times of grief. They shape us, support us, instill the values that guide us as individuals, and make possible all that we achieve.
So tomorrow, I'll be giving thanks for my family -- for all the wisdom, support, and love they have brought into my life.
But tomorrow is also a day to remember those who cannot sit down to break bread with those they love.
The soldier overseas holding down a lonely post and missing his kids. The sailor who left her home to serve a higher calling. The folks who must spend tomorrow apart from their families to work a second job, so they can keep food on the table or send a child to school.
We are grateful beyond words for the service and hard work of so many Americans who make our country great through their sacrifice. And this year, we know that far too many face a daily struggle that puts the comfort and security we all deserve painfully out of reach.
So when we gather tomorrow, let us also use the occasion to renew our commitment to building a more peaceful and prosperous future that every American family can enjoy.
It seems like a lifetime ago that a crowd met on a frigid February morning in Springfield, Illinois to set out on an improbable course to change our nation.
In the years since, Michelle and I have been blessed with the support and friendship of the millions of Americans who have come together to form this ongoing movement for change.
You have been there through victories and setbacks. You have given of yourselves beyond measure. You have enabled all that we have accomplished -- and you have had the courage to dream yet bigger dreams for what we can still achieve.
So in this season of thanks giving, I want to take a moment to express my gratitude to you, and my anticipation of the brighter future we are creating together.
With warmest wishes for a happy holiday season from my family to yours,
President Barack Obama
From CNN:
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/11/26/in-thanksgiving-message-obama-spotlights-response-to-economic-challenges/
November 26, 2009
In Thanksgiving message, Obama spotlights economic response
Posted: November 26th, 2009 11:12 AM ET
From CNN Associate Producer Martina Stewart
Washington (CNN) - In his weekly Internet and radio address released on Thanksgiving Day, President Obama is mixing politics and policy with typical holiday sentiments.
Less than a week before Obama is set to announce his decision on troop levels in Afghanistan, the president paid tribute to the U.S. military and the families of service members.
"We keep in our thoughts and prayers the many families marking this Thanksgiving with an empty seat – saved for a son or daughter, or husband or wife, stationed in harm's way. And we say a special thanks for the sacrifices those men and women in uniform are making for our safety and freedom, and for all those Americans who enrich the lives of our communities through acts of kindness, generosity and service."
In the message, Obama also pointed to domestic challenges. "But as much as we all have to be thankful for, we also know that this year millions of Americans are facing very difficult economic times. Many have lost jobs in this recession – the worst in generations. Many more are struggling to afford health care premiums and house payments, let alone to save for an education or retirement. Too many are wondering if the dream of a middle class life – that American Dream – is slipping away."
"....That's why we passed the Recovery Act that cut taxes for 95 percent of working people and for small businesses – and that extended unemployment benefits and health coverage for millions of Americans who lost their jobs in this turmoil," Obama says in the Thanksgiving message. "That's why we are reforming the health care system . . . . We've worked to stem the tide of foreclosures and to stop the decline in home values. We're making it easier to save for retirement and more affordable to send a son or daughter to college."
"[N]ow our economy is finally growing again," Obama also says in the message, before noting that the struggling economy has not returned to positive job creation. "So we're made progress. But we cannot rest."
He pointed to his upcoming jobs summit with business and labor leaders, set for next week.
"And it is my fervent hope – and my heartfelt expectation – that next Thanksgiving we will be able to celebrate the fact that many of those who have lost their jobs are back at work, and that as a nation we will have come through these difficult storms stronger and wiser . . ."
Jesus, everything he does is a advertisement or promotion. He gives a Thanksgiving to the Hajj, but it doesn't appear he was as inclusive to the majority of is constituency which are Christian!
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2009/11/on-thanksgiving-eve-barack-obamas-special-message-to-muslims.html
Michelle and I would like to send our best wishes to all those performing Hajj this year, and to Muslims in America and around the world who are celebrating Eid-ul-Adha. The rituals of Hajj and Eid-ul-Adha both serve as reminders of the shared Abrahamic roots of three of the world’s major religions.
During Hajj, the world’s largest and most diverse gathering, three million Muslims from all walks of life – including thousands of American Muslims – will stand in prayer on Mount Arafat. The following day, Muslims around the world will celebrate Eid-ul-Adha and distribute food to the less fortunate to commemorate Abraham’s willingness to sacrifice his son out of obedience to God.
This year, I am pleased that the Department of Health and Human Services has partnered with the Saudi Health Ministry to prevent and limit the spread of H1N1 during Hajj. Cooperating on combating H1N1 is one of the ways we are implementing my administration's commitment to partnership in areas of mutual interest.
On behalf of the American people, we would like to extend our greetings during this Hajj season – Eid Mubarak.
I just love this guy....another slap in the face imo.... this walking cow pie is kissing too much Islamic ass not to be on a Islamic related payroll in one way, shape or form.
Warrior-Mentor
11-26-2009, 11:52
Nov 25 2009, 4:53 pm by Chris Good
Obama's Thanksgiving Message To Supporters
In the years since, Michelle and I have been blessed with the support and friendship of the millions of Americans who have come together to form this ongoing movement for CHANGE.
You have been there through victories and setbacks. You have given of yourselves beyond measure. You have enabled all that we have accomplished -- and you have had the courage to dream yet bigger dreams for what we can still achieve.
_____________
Jesus, everything he does is a advertisement or promotion. He gives a Thanksgiving to the Hajj, but it doesn't appear he was as inclusive to the majority of is constituency which are Christian!
Sounds like something I've heard before...hmmm...
"I think if we are outside this country,
we can say 'Oh, Allah, destroy America.'
But once we are here, our mission in this country is to CHANGE IT."
- Abdurahman Alamoudi
Alamoudi was once head of the American Muslim Council - a Muslim Brotherhood front organization.
He is currently serving a 23 YEAR prison sentence in connection with terrorism.
Alamoudi is a SIGNIFICANT player in the Muslim Brotherhood, as he is believed to have succeeeded Ahmed Elkadi as the "Godfather" of the Muslim Brotherhood in America. Alamoudi is believed to have been succeeded by Omar Ahmad, CAIR's Founder.
SOURCE:
MUSLIM MAFIA pages 235; 265-268.
Sounds like something I've heard before...hmmm...
"I think if we are outside this country,
we can say 'Oh, Allah, destroy America.'
But once we are here, our mission in this country is to CHANGE IT."
- Abdurahman Alamoudi
Alamoudi was once head of the American Muslim Council - a Muslim Brotherhood front organization.
He is currently serving a 23 YEAR prison sentence in connection with terrorism.
Alamoudi is a SIGNIFICANT player in the Muslim Brotherhood, as he is believed to have succeeeded Ahmed Elkadi as the "Godfather" of the Muslim Brotherhood in America. Alamoudi is believed to have been succeeded by Omar Ahmad, CAIR's Founder.
SOURCE:
MUSLIM MAFIA pages 235; 265-268.
*Paslode takes a deep breath, bites his lip and shakes is head*.........It's Thanksgiving, I had better cool off so I can enjoy our 'Thanksgiving' feast ;)
kimberly
11-26-2009, 17:16
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2009/11/on-thanksgiving-eve-barack-obamas-special-message-to-muslims.html
On Thanksgiving eve, Obama issues special Hajj message to world's Muslims
November 25, 2009 | 4:14 pm
Statement by the President on Hajj and Eid-ul-Adha, as provided by the White House
....
On behalf of the American people, we would like to extend our greetings during this Hajj season – Eid Mubarak.
###
Excuse me, but he does NOT speak for me. He does not speak on my behalf.
armymom1228
11-26-2009, 22:05
One wonders...
I don't, I was watching tv at the time he made that slip that has been all but ignored by the left wing MSM.."My muslim faith, I mean my christian faith." Yeah sure Barry, whatever you say.
armymom1228
11-26-2009, 22:11
So we have conflicting stories from Feb & Mar 2008. One she's a non-practicing Muslim and the other she is a Christian.
In 2009 she toddles off to Mecca.
Or are there two Sarah Obama the Grandmother?
I wonder what else the MSM is trying to keep under cover
Try to find all those speeches he made in Kenya while a sitting US Senator, and stumping for his cousin in Kenya instead of representing his constituents.
He clearly stated he was a Kenyan and Kenya was his country. They seemed to just sorta disappear during the campaign. I was not thrilled to read the speeches on yahoo at the time.
CoLawman
11-26-2009, 22:58
I'm confused how can she be the step-grandmother of BO if she is the mother to his father?
WSJ
Time
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1717590,00.html (http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1717590,00.html)
Based on the old Time report, it is Granny Sarah, his step-Grandmother. The blogs including WND appear to confirm that it is Sarah. And it appears she has become a practicing Muslim again.
deepblack 18x
11-26-2009, 23:20
The guy is just a liar. It's sad that the POTUS is a piece of shit liar.
6.8SPC_DUMP
11-27-2009, 00:40
I'm confused how can she be the step-grandmother of BO if she is the mother to his father?
She's either the 2nd or 3rd wife of his grandfather, depending which article you read, I think 3rd. There's no blood relation. I don't know why more of the interviews of her aren't floating around w/ all the attention she got from press.
Obama's grandma slams 'untruths'
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2008-03-05-obama-kin_N.htm
AP 3/05/2008
By Katharine Houreld,
Associated Press
"In the world of today, children have different religions from their parents," she said. She, too, is a Christian.
For Ms. Houreld to know so much about her but then say she is Christian - without quoting her is beyond me. Sarah Obama hasn't said she was Christian that I've seen. The AP picked it up and USA Today published it both w/o fact checking I guess... :confused:
5 days later USA Today published a retraction:
KOGELO, Kenya (AP) — In a March 5 story about the Kenyan family of U.S. presidential candidate Barack Obama, The Associated Press reported erroneously that his step-grandmother is a Christian. She is a Muslim, according to the family.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2008-03-10-446486469_x.htm
I'm confused how can she be the step-grandmother of BO if she is the mother to his father?
Nice piece here to review:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2008-03-05-obama-kin_N.htm
Obama’s grandfather had converted to Islam from Roman Catholicism and taken the name Hussein, Sarah Obama said, but his children had inherited only the name, not the religion. Each person should be able to choose how they worshipped, she said.
“In the world of today, children have different religions from their parents,” she said. She, too, is a Christian.
And this earlier from the NY Times:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/30/us/politics/30obama.html?ex=1335585600&en=f901477fd875c685&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss&pagewanted=all
“I am a strong believer of the Islamic faith,” Ms. Obama, 85, said in a recent interview in Kenya.
Yep. Obama has a track record of confusion ( dare I say deception)..... relationships Ayers, Rev. Wright, campaign promises, place of birth etc. The man is a chameleon.
It is more apparent by the day what we are dealing with. But because there are so many stories with inconsistent and conflicting information it is still difficult to say who he is, where he came from and what he 'truly' stands for.
I liken it to running 3 sets of financial books.
The guy is just a liar. It's sad that the POTUS is a piece of shit liar.
He is a Politician so why are you surprised?:confused:
Warrior-Mentor
11-27-2009, 07:02
We're used to politicians lying (or changing positions) based on the evolving circumstances...
We're not used to Politicians lying about WHO THEY ARE.
kimberly
11-27-2009, 08:15
We're used to politicians lying (or changing positions) based on the evolving circumstances...
We're not used to Politicians lying about WHO THEY ARE.
Exactly, and what is most disturbing is that he is pushing his Islamic agenda so hard.
Exactly, and what is most disturbing is that he is pushing his Islamic agenda so hard.
It appears to me there are multiple agendas or distractions, but at this point it is difficult to discern what the intended end result is. My question is who are the circling vultures? The loan sharks in China and/or The Saudis? Or is it the crazed Lefties? Socialism, Sharia Law or Picturesque Green Pasture vacant of humans.
Banking, the Auto Industry and the economy have all been drawn and quartered. Heath Care is now in their sights. Proposed Cap & Trade. Civilian trials for terrorists. Who knows what else in store that might be veiled in a 2000+ Bait & Switch reform bill.
In the end we may have a carcass that looks like the Good Ole USA, but is empty of the contents that made it live and breath.
If there is any humor in this disembowelment, it is that those that eat from O's Troth of Promise appear to end up being served at the feast.
The Reaper
11-27-2009, 09:55
The guy is just a liar. It's sad that the POTUS is a piece of shit liar.
Respect the office, if not the man.
Make any substantive comments you wish, keep the profanity out of it.
TR
It appears to me there are multiple agendas or distractions, but at this point it is difficult to discern what the intended end result is.
Could it be as David Horowitz suggests :confused:
The strategy of forcing political change through orchestrated crisis. The "Cloward-Piven Strategy" seeks to hasten the fall of capitalism by overloading the government bureaucracy with a flood of impossible demands, thus pushing society into crisis and economic collapse.
The field would surely be ripe for “Change” - never let a good crisis go to waste…
I thought the following article was very thought provoking - written by a former White House staff economist and budget analyst:
It is time to cast aside all remaining doubt. President Obama is not trying to lead America forward to recovery, prosperity and strength. Quite the opposite, in fact.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/11/clowardpiven_government.html
Could it be as David Horowitz suggests :confused:
The field would surely be ripe for “Change” - never let a good crisis go to waste…
I thought the following article was very thought provoking - written by a former White House staff economist and budget analyst:
http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/11/clowardpiven_government.html
Good article. We'll have to wait to see if it is as simple as politicians who are trying to attain indefinite power for personal and party gain.
Whatever it is, it ain't good.
Irishsquid
11-28-2009, 12:08
please,correct me if I get this wrong....
In Islam,it is O.K. to lie, as long as that lie furthers the cause of Islam,and/or as long as you are lying to a unbeliever,or lying to further the "Jihad".
So since the only lies were to the American (non muslim) people,and since it furtherd whomever's agenda,of getting Barry (who we will all find out shortly really IS a practicing Muslim I will bet)elected to the most powerful position available in the United States...
nah. Maybe we ALL heard them wrong. Yeah,thats what it is.
You are correct, and I believe the word for that is "Taqqiyah."
Warrior-Mentor
11-28-2009, 13:23
You are correct, and I believe the word for that is "Taqqiyah."
...and remember taqiyya's evil twin sister, "kitman".
Taqiyya and Kitman: The role of Deception in Islamic Terrorism
Reader comment on item: Islamists, Get Out
Submitted by Donald Hudson (Singapore),
Sep 1, 2005
Tradecraft. Persona. Deception. Disinformation. Cover: Western operational terms and techniques. But, Islamic terrorists have their own terms: taqiyya (pronounced tak-e-ya) : precautionary dissimulation or deception and keeping one's convictions secret and a synonymous term, kitman: mental reservation and dissimulation or concealment of malevolent intentions...
Taqiyya and kitman or ‘holy hypocrisy' has been diffused throughout Arabic culture for over fourteen hundred years since it was developed by Shiites as a means of defence and concealment of beliefs against Sunni unbelievers. As the Prophet said: 'he who keeps secrets shall soon attain his objectives.'
The skilful use of taqiyya and kitman was often a matter of life and death against enemies; it is also a matter of life and death to many contemporary Islamic terrorists. As so often in the history of Islam, a theological doctrine became operational.
During the Spanish inquisition, Sunni Moriscos attended mass and returned home to wash their hands of the ‘holy water'. In operational terms, taqiyya and kitman allowed the ‘mujahadeen ' to assume whatever identity was necessary to fulfill their mission; they had doctrinal and theological and later jurisprudential sanction to pretend to be Jews or Christians to gain access to Christian and Jewish targets: ‘the mujahadeen can take the shape of the enemy'.
According to Christian ethics lying is a sin; In Islamic jurisprudence and theology, the use of taqiyya against the unbelievers is regarded as a virtue and a religious duty.
Like many Islamic concepts taqiyya and kitman were formed within the context of the Arab-Islamic matrix of tribalism, expansionary warfare and conflict. Taqiyya has been used by Muslims since the 7th century to confuse and split 'the enemy'. A favored tactic was ‘deceptive triangulation'; to persuade the enemy that jihad was not aimed at them but at another enemy. Another tactic was to deny that there was jihad at all. The fate for such faulty assessments by the target was death.
SOURCE:
http://www.danielpipes.org/comments/25320
In the end we may have a carcass that looks like the Good Ole USA, but is empty of the contents that made it live and breath.
I have no "links" to back this up, but if I may suggest...In the "end" we may indeed be looking at a carcass of what America was once, but let me assure you of one thing, the contents that made it live and breathe are still residing within its walls, and will not bow to tyranny or persecution brought on by our federal government!:mad:
For there is a majority 'round these parts that favor Our Constition, and its rights! Those rights were paid for in blood though our veterans fighing wars throughout the generations. Their blood was/will not be spilled in vain, IMHO.
Holly
Irishsquid
11-28-2009, 14:41
I have no "links" to back this up, but if I may suggest...In the "end" we may indeed be looking at a carcass of what America was once, but let me assure you of one thing, the contents that made it live and breathe are still residing within its walls, and will not bow to tyranny or persecution brought on by our federal government
Ya know...we all keep saying that...and then we continue to watch our federal government slowly become more tyrannical. Makes one think, doesn't it?
Ya know...we all keep saying that...and then we continue to watch our federal government slowly become more tyrannical. Makes one think, doesn't it?
Think? Yes indeed.:o It makes some of us turn our thoughts in to actions, and those actions have power, to me anyway. I am not ready to give up and throw in the towel on this Country that so many have paid for in blood to defend. America.
Sure, it may happen anyway, but me and my camp will fight tooth and nail to NOT go down with the ship.
Holly
In the "end" we may indeed be looking at a carcass of what America was once, but let me assure you of one thing, the contents that made it live and breathe are still residing within its walls, and will not bow to tyranny or persecution brought on by our federal government!:mad:
I couldn't agree more.....Braveheart, The Patriot, French Resistance, Montagnards come to mind ;)
FirstClass
11-29-2009, 00:20
so one man cannot destroy this nation. He has to have generals, he has to have media, he has to have alot of resources. Are all of these people going to follow his orders just because he was elected our leader? Or are all of these positions going to be slowly filled by his kind?
Let us take a step back, so that we may see more clearly.
Eagle5US
11-29-2009, 05:27
Let us take a step back, so that we may see more clearly.
If you cannot see it clearly by now - it is doubtful that you ever will.
Eagle:mad:
Irishsquid
11-29-2009, 06:06
so one man cannot destroy this nation. He has to have generals, he has to have media, he has to have alot of resources. Are all of these people going to follow his orders just because he was elected our leader? Or are all of these positions going to be slowly filled by his kind?
Let us take a step back, so that we may see more clearly.
More importantly than any or all of that, to my way of thinking, he has to have elected officials in lower positions with the same agenda. If they can all push their agenda in small enough slices, gradually enough to keep the People from rising up, they're golden. Similar to the Fabian Society in England in the 1800s...responsible for the current high level of Socialism in England. Right now, we are the proverbial frog, being slowly brought to a boil...
Warrior-Mentor
11-29-2009, 07:46
so one man cannot destroy this nation. He has to have generals, he has to have media, he has to have alot of resources. Are all of these people going to follow his orders just because he was elected our leader? Or are all of these positions going to be slowly filled by his kind?
Let us take a step back, so that we may see more clearly.
You are not paying attention. Who has Obama filled his Administration with?
Did you know that the current Director of Policy for HOMELAND SECURITY is a known Muslim Brotherhood affiliate???
Wake up.
so one man cannot destroy this nation. He has to have generals, he has to have media, he has to have alot of resources. Are all of these people going to follow his orders just because he was elected our leader? Or are all of these positions going to be slowly filled by his kind?
Let us take a step back, so that we may see more clearly.
But stepping back, one might make one ponder the many 'appointed' Czars, their ideologies, their area of oversight and the additional sometimes overlapping bureaucracy they create.
You are correct one man can't do it alone, but history has proven time and time again that one man can be the catalyst under the right circumstances.
You might find this of interest and find similarities with todays predictiments:
http://www.johndclare.net/Weimar7.htm (Yeah, it is a blog, I will probably get scolded from TSbut it presents some good information and time lines.)
perdurabo
11-29-2009, 11:26
As far as her going to Mecca, no Christian would have a reason to be there for hajj.
I'm not muslim, but if I was invited by some Saudi prince, I might take him up on it. As an armchair world historian, it'd be cool to see.
Why did Hitler come to power?
[LIMP PAPER]
The story of why Hitler came to power is about the reasons why the German people lost their senses and allowed a vicious madman to come to power. What could have brought this about?
All the following were present from the 1920s:
1. Long-term bitterness
Deep anger about the First World War and the Treaty of Versailles created an underlying bitterness to which Hitler’s viciousness and expansionism appealed, so they gave him support.
Some were extremely bitter about the results of John Kerrry and Al Gore.
2. Ineffective Constitution
Weaknesses in the Constitution crippled the government. In fact, there were many people in Germany who wanted a return to dictatorship. When the crisis came in 1929–1933 – there was no one who was prepared or able to fight to stop Hitler.
Our government has an increasing tendency to bypassed the
Constitution
3. Money
The financial support of wealthy businessmen gave Hitler the money to run his propaganda and election campaigns.
Move-on.org, Soros, Pickens, Buffet, and many others
4. Propaganda
Nazi propaganda persuaded the German masses to believe that the Jews were to blame and that Hitler was their last hope.
The MSM has been quiet on most eveything negative and only glorified Obama and hiw merrymen.
5. Programme
Hitler promised everybody something, so they supported him.
Hope, change, GITMO and transparency and more than I care to mention[/COLOR
6. Attacks on other parties
The Stormtroopers attacked Jews and people who opposed Hitler. Many opponents kept quiet simply because they were scared of being murdered – and, if they were, the judges simply let the Stormtroopers go free (see point 2).
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Black Panthers, ACORN and the SEIU
7. Personal Qualities
Hitler was a brilliant speaker, and his eyes had a peculiar power over people. He was a good organiser and politician. He was a driven, unstable man, who believed that he had been called by God to become dictator of Germany and rule the world. This kept him going when other people might have given up. His self-belief persuaded people to believe in him.
Obama has many of the same traits
Source G
Hitler’s financiers
Many industrials bankrolled the Nazis, including allegedly:
· Hjalmar Schacht, Head of the Reichsbank, organised fund-raising parties for Hitler.
· Fritz von Thyssen, the German steel businessman
· Alfred Krupp, the owner of Krupp steel firm
· Emil Kirdorf, the coal businessman
· IG Faben, the German chemicals firm, gave half the funds for the 1933 elections
· The German car firm Opel (a subsidiary of General Motors)
· Schroeder Bank – on Jan. 3, 1933, Reinhard Schroeder met Hitler and asked him to form a government.
GE, Goldman Sachs, Soros, Buffet, Big Banking, Wall Street, Lawyers and many more
And many foreign firms including:
· Henry Ford of Ford Motors. Hitler borrowed passages from Ford's book The International Jew to use in Mein Kampf and had a picture of Ford on the wall of his office.
· Union Banking Corporation, New York (George Bush’s great-grandfather was president of the Corporation)
· WA Harriman and Co., the American shipping and railway company (George Bush’s grandfather was vice-president)
· Irenee du Pont, head of the American firm General Motors; he advocated the creation of a super-race by spinal injections to enhance children of ‘pure’ blood.
Probably those many 'undisclosed' campaign contributors
Source A
This poster of 1932 says: ‘Hitler – our last hope’
Source B
[Hitler's policies] were half-baked, racist clap-trap... but among the jumble of hysterical ideas Hitler showed a sure sense of how to appeal to the lowest instincts of frightened masses.
Those 'rich folks' Obama demonizes on a daily basis
Tony Howarth, a modern historian.
Source C
He was holding the masses, and me with them, under an hypnotic spell by the sheer force of his beliefs. His words were like a whip. When he spoke of the disgrace of Germany, I felt ready to attack any enemy.
Karl Ludecke, an early follower of Hitler (1924).
Reminds me of Goddamn America as Rev. Wright spouted and the 'O' has his his Apologize for America Tour
Source D
Of course, I was ripe for this experience. I was a man of 32, weary with disgust and disillusionment, a wanderer seeking a cause, patriot seeking an outlet for his patriotism.
Karl Ludecke (1924).
Those kids in the Red Jackets and all those wonderful Obama songs..
Source E
There were simply not enough Germans who believed in democracy and individual freedom to save the Weimar republic.
Written by the modern historian S Williams.
Source F
SA men stop people going into a Jewish shop.
After 1929, however, two short-term factors brought Hitler to power:
8. Economic Depression
After the Wall Street Crash of 1929, the US called in its loans to Germany, and the German economy collapsed. The Number of unemployed grew; people starved on the streets. In the crisis, people wanted someone to blame, and looked to extreme solutions – Hitler offered them both, and Nazi success in the elections grew.
Where we are now IMO.
Germans turned to Nazism because they were desperate. The number of Nazi seats in the Reichstag rose from 12 in 1928 to 230 in July 1932.
9. Recruited by Hindenburg
In November 1932 elections the Nazis again failed to get a majority of seats in the Reichstag. Their share of the vote fell – from 230 seats to only 196. Hitler contemplated suicide. But then he was rescued by Hindenburg.
Franz von Papen (a friend of Hindenburg) was Chancellor, but he could not get enough support in the Reichstag. Hindenburg and von Papen were having to govern by emergency decree under Article 48 of the Constitution. They offered Hitler the post of vice-Chancellor if he promised to support them.
Hitler refused – he demanded to be made Chancellor. So Von Papen and Hindenburg took a risk. On 30 January 1933 Hindenburg made Hitler Chancellor. He thought he could control Hitler – how wrong he was.
In the end, Hitler did not TAKE IT– he was given it.
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