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nmap
11-23-2009, 22:03
The following article is on threatswatch.org. I only found the organization mentioned one time in a search - it appears that their reputation is not bad. Therefore, I thought others might find the content of interest.

LINK (http://threatswatch.org/rapidrecon/2009/11/whispers-of-surrender-in-afgha/)

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Whispers of Surrender in Afghanistan?

It comes to our attention that the MEMRI Blog highlights an article from the Saudi al-Watan in Arabic that - according to an Afghan source - the United States is talking to the Taliban seeking to trade control of 5 provinces in exchange for the cessation of attacks on US bases. MEMRI summarizes:

An Afghan source in Kabul reports that U.S. Ambassador in Afghanistan Karl Eikenberry is holding secret talks with Taliban elements headed by the movement's foreign minister, Ahmad Mutawakil, at a secret location in Kabul. According to the source, the U.S. has offered the Taliban control of the Kandahar, Helmand, Oruzgan, Kunar and Nuristan provinces in return for a halt to the Taliban missile attacks on U.S. bases.

Kunar province borders the Khyber Pass region where the majority of US and NATO supplies pass enroute from Pakistan. And the remaining four provinces constitute fully the southern 25% of Afghanistan's territory.

This, if true, is a disturbing development.

I have tried to come up with scenarios of why someone would lie about it in a leak. What would be to gain? Who would gain, and what would they gain? Without sleeping on it, the options for such appear narrow at best.

What does seem logical is that an Afghan privy to the negotiations could have become (rightly) spooked that they might just pull it off, and leaked word in hopes that it might so anger American public opinion that the entire endeavor might be scrapped. That's the most logical explanation for motivation I see at the moment.

It would also fit in consistently with Ambassador Eikenberry's leaked cables recently railing against a 'surge' in forces in Afghanistan. He wouldn't voice such without thinking he has his hands on something else. Could this be it? The surrender of 25% of Afghan territory in exchange for some form of ceasefire?

One would hope not. But if so, this demonstrated type of 'effort' in Afghanistan would prove to be the strongest indication that it may be time to advocate the full pullout of American forces from Afghanistan.

If this is true, then not one more drop of American blood for a path that resembles Pakistan's path. You recall Pakistan's series of surrenders touted as agreements, right?

InBrief 2006: Pakistan Cedes North Waziristan to Taliban
RapidRecon 2008: Farewell Optimism: Miranshah II = Miranshah I in North Waziristan
Yeah. How's that working out for Pakistan these days? And we want some of that? Do we?

NOTES:

Chapomatic gives a quick independent translation of the Arabic al-Watan article.
Meet the Taliban leader we're dealing with, via the UK's Telegraph
Via the CS Monitor, unhelpful advice: Pakistan to US: Don't surge in Afghanistan, talk to Taliban
By Steve Schippert on November 23, 2009 at 1:35 AM | Permalink

The Reaper
11-23-2009, 22:12
I highly doubt this. Looks like Taliban propaganda.

Why cede provinces to prevent only rocketing of selected bases?

I'm throwing the BS flag.

TR

PRB
11-23-2009, 23:46
That is total BS.
We don't make those kind of deals for one.
Secondly, the 'missile attks' are the least effective thing the Taliban execute. They usually hit nothing of import even on packed military bases.
For the two years I was in Kandahar (Kandahar airfield facility for basing) I think they killed a couple of folks and wounded a handful.
Most folks wouldn't even get out of bed ant to a bunker.

Daweism
11-25-2009, 14:50
What's surrender?

ZonieDiver
11-25-2009, 14:58
What's surrender?

See "Viet Nam"!:mad:

Richard
11-25-2009, 15:16
BS - we Americans finish what we start because the way to achieve inner peace as a society is to finish all the things we've started.

For example, I looked around my house to see things I'd started and hadn't finished and - before leaving the house this morning - I decided to correct that...so I finished off a bottle of Ancient Vine Zinfandel, a bottle of shhhardonay, a bodle of Baileys, a butle of vocka, a pockage of Prunglies, tha mainder of bot Prozic and Valum scriptins, the res of the Chesescke an a box a choklets.

Yu haf no idr who fkin gud I fel ftur tha. Kwitt - ng efin Hue!

Ricrt's $.<*)))))))>{

nmap
11-25-2009, 15:24
Thank you all for your insights. I appreciate your thoughts.

Utah Bob
11-25-2009, 15:33
Doubtful. Taliban missile attacks on US bases are not causing nearly as many casualties as IEDs.

I think the State Department realizes that any negotiations with the Taliban would be, at best, foolish.

Now, there may be others in the administration who think differently.:rolleyes: