View Full Version : Violent act gains national attention (E. Lambert of UNM)
Video is here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4Piuuqqs10).
Source is here (http://www.dailylobo.com/index.php/article/2009/11/violent_act_gains_national_attention#print).Violen t act gains national attention
By Mario Trujillo | DAILY LOBO
Lobo soccer player Elizabeth Lambert snuck her attacks past officials for the majority of the game against BYU on Thursday. But what the officials missed, a national audience and nearly 3.4 million viewers on YouTube clearly saw.
Head coach Kit Vela suspended Lambert indefinitely on Friday, and the Mountain West Conference jumped into an investigation of the overall dynamics of the game after Lambert threw punches and pulled the hair of her opponents during the semifinal match in Provo, Utah.
“Liz is a quality student-athlete, but in this instance her actions clearly crossed the line of fair play and good sportsmanship,” Vela said.
Lambert faces a punishment from the MWC ranging from a one-game suspension to a season suspension for her first instance of physical abuse, according to the MWC handbook.
The game against BYU was the Lobos’ first nationally televised game of the season.
Lambert couldn’t have picked a worse day to act out.
She inflicted the harshest attack on BYU forward Kassidy Shumway. Lambert yanked down on Shumway’s ponytail, sending her to the turf where she lay for several seconds.
“I am deeply and wholeheartedly regretful for my actions,” Lambert said in a statement Friday. “My actions were uncalled for. I let my emotions get the best of me in a heated situation. I take full responsibility for my actions and accept any punishment felt necessary from the coaching staff and UNM administration.”
She let her emotions get the best of her on a second, third and fourth occasion before she was finished.
Lambert threw a punch to the back of BYU forward Carlee Payne after Payne elbowed Lambert in the stomach.
Later, Payne and Lambert exchanged blows in midair.
Finally, with four minutes left in the game, Lambert tripped a BYU player. Officials penalized Lambert with a yellow card on that play — the only penalty Lambert received. It was also the only penalty given to either team.
Lambert apologized to the BYU team, and said her actions were not indicative of her character.
Through Lambert’s 2,589 minutes on the field over three years, she has been hit with a yellow card three times — all of them in the last three weeks. She received her first in the final game of the regular season against UNLV and her second in the first round of the conference tournament against Wyoming.
BYU head coach Jennifer Rockwood said the match Thursday was physical, and play is determined by what the officials will allow.
“I think that is kind of the officials’ job. They set the tone,” Rockwood said. “They are the ones that have control of the game.”
But Rockwood made it clear that she was not condoning Lambert’s actions.
“There has to be a level of sportsmanship,” Rockwood said. “(Hair pulling) is not a legal play, but there are a lot of things that go on that are missed.”
Rockwood, shying away from talking about the specific incidents, said her team managed to play on through Lambert’s actions.
“Soccer at the Division I level is very physical,” Rockwood said. “Some games are more physical than others, and like I tell my players, we just need not to react when those things happen and make sure we do the best that we can. Both Carlee and Kassidy continued on with the game and really tried hard to not let that affect their play.”
Still, Athletics Director Paul Krebs said Lambert’s actions were reprehensible.
“Liz’s conduct on the field against BYU was completely inappropriate,” Krebs said in a statement. “There is no way to defend her actions.”
A former Lobo soccer player, who played with Lambert and asked to remain nameless, said that the incidents have been over-hyped, and the majority of people don’t understand the nature of soccer.
“It is one of the bigger contact sports for women outside of rugby,” the former teammate said. “In soccer there are no instant replays or player views. And it is not that I necessarily condone what she did, but a lot of that stuff goes on, more so than people think.”
And a lot happens in the referees’ blind spots, she said, but it’s usually not broadcast.
“I don’t want to give away any tricks of the trade,” the former Lobo said. “But I think when you are out there you think ‘if the refs don’t see me, it’s not going to be a problem.’ And now the media caught her for it, and now she is paying for it.”
Lambert’s former teammate described her as a forceful player who usually has more sense.
“She is a hard hitter,” the former teammate said. “She is aggressive. She is extremely strong. And she doesn’t back down to anyone — even around teammates when we are playing against her. But she is typically really smart.”
And Thursday’s actions against BYU can’t rest solely on Lambert’s shoulders, the source said.
“(BYU) is a fun team to play against because they aren’t the cheaper of the teams and don’t take those cheap hits,” she said. “From what I have gotten from people, it was a pretty cheap game.”
LongTabSigO
11-09-2009, 14:09
She's a thug and will soon be featured in either cage fighting or the WWE....
It was on the morning news programs and she was being soundly excoriated.
Richard
I don’t want to give away any tricks of the trade,” the former Lobo said. “But I think when you are out there you think ‘if the refs don’t see me, it’s not going to be a problem.’
And there's the crux of the problem. Character is what you do when no one else is looking.
Ladies can be extremely vicious competitors...just plain mean. Regardless, there is no room for that type of conduct.
Lambert apologized to the BYU team, and said her actions were not indicative of her character.
I hate when people say that. If not actions, what is? Words? :rolleyes:
Utah Bob
11-09-2009, 19:41
The Marine recruiter called her this morning.:D
Bill Harsey
11-09-2009, 20:27
I will not make any comment about the license plate recently discussed on this forum because for the record that was not funny. maybe.
incarcerated
11-10-2009, 01:58
And there's the crux of the problem. Character is what you do when no one else is looking.
Disagree. This is the sport: decades of FIFA tinkering with rules interpretations have dumbed down the performance of the officials. The result is Roller Derby. The people I know who love the sport agree that the referees are destroying the game.
Soccer at the Division I level is very poorly controlled, often by refs who are in over their heads. The local D1 school provides the referees with a police escort from the field after every game, and this with crowds of about 70 to 110 people.
When you see an officiating goof in the NBA, an enormous deal is made of it. Be thankful. When they review plays in the NFL, know that the people who run the sport have the good sense to keep it from degenerating into soccer. Pray that MLB adopts replay/review. In soccer, breathtaking referee blunders are commonplace. Until you've watched a European Cup Championship game (the height of international club soccer: what should be the sport at its best) punctuated by fouls and referee atrocities every ninety seconds like clockwork (Juventus v Real Madrid 1998), you'll have no idea how far your sport can degenerate. In the modern game, especially in America, violence equips the inferior player to compete with the talented player. Soccer will never be adopted as a major league sport in this country as long as the level of officiating keeps the game in the Bush Leagues.
Disagree. This is the sport: decades of FIFA tinkering with rules interpretations have dumbed down the performance of the officials. The result is Roller Derby. The people I know who love the sport agree that the referees are destroying the game.
Soccer at the Division I level is very poorly controlled, often by refs who are in over their heads. The local D1 school provides the referees with a police escort from the field after every game, and this with crowds of about 70 to 110 people.This is a reason, not an excuse. It wasn't a referee or an official from FIFA pulling hair and throwing forearms in the game. It was Elizabeth Lambert.
The Mountain West Conference, of which the University of New Mexico is a member, clearly lays out guidelines for sporting conduct in Rule Four of the MWC Handbook. That rule is available here (http://graphics.fansonly.com/schools/mwc/graphics/pdfs/handbook/rule4sportsman0910.pdf). A quick search of the MWC's website reveals the conference strictly enforcing Rule Four across a number of sports. Search results are here (http://www.themwc.com/search/mwc-ysearch.html?school=mwc&s3q=rule+4&x=0&y=0&school_name=themwc.com).
Moreover, the NCAA, for all its many faults, also emphasizes sporting conduct. The NCAA's website for sporting conduct is here (http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/ncaa/ncaa/legislation+and+governance/eligibility+and+recruiting/sportsmanship/2009/index.html). The NCAA's rules for Women's soccer are here (http://www.ncaapublications.com/Uploads/PDF/Soccer_Rules_Finalb4ca211d-4dbd-412c-9865-f928785e8b26.pdf). Rule changes for the 2008-2009 season are here (http://web1.ncaa.org/web_files/rules/soccer/Ruleschangesfor2008-2009.pdf).
Rule 5 covers the conduct of officials. Rule 12, especially pages 71-73 and Rules 12.12, 12.14, and 12.15 (UNSPORTING BEHAVIOR), page 77, cover much of Ms. Lambert's conduct.
While the language of Rule 5 gives credence to the argument that NCAA soccer referees need better training, the Points of Emphasis on page 7 clearly indicate in unmistakable language that players, teams, and coaches are to observe the rules even if officials fail to perform their duties competently.
Finally, the University of New Mexico has a code of conduct for undergraduate students. That code is available here (http://pathfinder.unm.edu/policies.htm#studentcode). The code states clearly:STUDENT CODE OF CONDUCT
Adopted by the UNM Regents April 14, 1992
Revision approved by the Regents May 12, 1995
It is important for all students to be aware of conduct that will lead to disciplinary action by the University. In order to clarify the types of conduct which shall be considered to affect adversely the University’s educational function, to disrupt community living on campus, or to interfere with the rights of others to pursue their education, to conduct their University duties and responsibilities or to participate in University activities, the Board of Regents hereby adopts the following Code of Conduct for students:
1.SCOPE
The University may take disciplinary action for an offense against the Code of Conduct when the offense occurs on University premises or at University-sponsored events, or when an offense which occurs off campus is such that in the judgment of the Dean of Students,1 failure to take disciplinary action is likely to interfere with the educational process or the orderly operation of the University, or endanger the health, safety or welfare of the University community.
The term "student" includes both full-time and part-time students pursuing undergraduate, graduate or professional studies.
2. MATTERS SUBJECT TO DISCIPLINARY ACTION
Appropriate disciplinary procedures and sanctions shall be applied to any student who commits, or attempts to commit, any of the following acts of misconduct:
2.1. Actions which have great potential for physically harming the person or property of others, including that of the University, or which actually result in physical harm, or which cause reasonable apprehension of physical harm.In short, Ms. Lambert had at least four layers of guidance from three different sources on how to conduct herself. But no, FIFA and the officials-- not Ms. Lambert--are responsible for the choices she made.
This is a reason, not an excuse. It wasn't a referee or an official from FIFA pulling hair and throwing forearms in the game. It was Elizabeth Lambert.
The Mountain West Conference, of which the University of New Mexico is a member, clearly lays out guidelines for sporting conduct in Rule Four of the MWC Handbook. That rule is available here (http://graphics.fansonly.com/schools/mwc/graphics/pdfs/handbook/rule4sportsman0910.pdf). A quick search of the MWC's website reveals the conference strictly enforcing Rule Four across a number of sports. Search results are here (http://www.themwc.com/search/mwc-ysearch.html?school=mwc&s3q=rule+4&x=0&y=0&school_name=themwc.com).
Moreover, the NCAA, for all its many faults, also emphasizes sporting conduct. The NCAA's website for sporting conduct is here (http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/ncaa/ncaa/legislation+and+governance/eligibility+and+recruiting/sportsmanship/2009/index.html). The NCAA's rules for Women's soccer are here (http://www.ncaapublications.com/Uploads/PDF/Soccer_Rules_Finalb4ca211d-4dbd-412c-9865-f928785e8b26.pdf). Rule changes for the 2008-2009 season are here (http://web1.ncaa.org/web_files/rules/soccer/Ruleschangesfor2008-2009.pdf).
Rule 5 covers the conduct of officials. Rule 12, especially pages 71-73 and Rules 12.12, 12.14, and 12.15 (UNSPORTING BEHAVIOR), page 77, cover much of Ms. Lambert's conduct.
While the language of Rule 5 gives credence to the argument that NCAA soccer referees need better training, the Points of Emphasis on page 7 clearly indicate in unmistakable language that players, teams, and coaches are to observe the rules even if officials fail to perform their duties competently.
Finally, the University of New Mexico has a code of conduct for undergraduate students. That code is available here (http://pathfinder.unm.edu/policies.htm#studentcode). The code states clearly:In short, Ms. Lambert had at least four layers of guidance from three different sources on how to conduct herself. But no, FIFA and the officials-- not Ms. Lambert--are responsible for the choices she made.
Sigaba, I am going to have to disagree and go with incarcerated on this one. Is the girl reponsible for her own actions, of course she is. Should she be held accountable for her own actions, most definintely.
With that being said, the referees are the ones responsible for the tempo of a game. Having played for over 25 years, at various levels along the way, and reffed, I have seen referees let a game get out of control. If a ref is going to call a very loose game, the players are going to take advantage. I have seen more injuries due to refs not controlling the game, than I care to count, and many of them serious.
If a ref calls a tight game, the infractions decrease exponentially. If they don't, players feel they can get away with actions such as what Ms. Lambert displayed. Poor sportsmanship on her part yes, but my bet is she got away with, what she could get away with, because the refs allowed the game to degenerate to that point, and she new she wouldn't get caught/penalized
Ladies can be extremely vicious competitors...just plain mean. Regardless, there is no room for that type of conduct.
I had the opportunity to coach a women's powder puff flag football game back in school. The girl's were so vicious towards one another, we had to stop the game and remind them scratching, kicking, and tripping are not part of the game. It seemed women in competitive situations escalate faster than men?
I had the opportunity to coach a women's powder puff flag football game back in school. The girl's were so vicious towards one another, we had to stop the game and remind them scratching, kicking, and tripping are not part of the game. It seemed women in competitive situations escalate faster than men?
Have you ever seen a women's rugby game??? We were so nasty the guys wouldn't play with us. I still have a visible scar on my forehead from 22 stiches I got during a head butting incident in a ruck.
We all used to wear the same color nail polish so that in a ruck we knew who we were scratching;)
greenberetTFS
11-10-2009, 14:10
Have you ever seen a women's rugby game??? We were so nasty the guys wouldn't play with us. I still have a visible scar on my forehead from 22 stiches I got during a head butting incident in a ruck.
We all used to wear the same color nail polish so that in a ruck we knew who we were scratching
You are one bad ass chic,I'll never play rugby with you..........:rolleyes::eek::p
Big Teddy :munchin
PedOncoDoc
11-10-2009, 15:02
Have you ever seen a women's rugby game??? We were so nasty the guys wouldn't play with us. I still have a visible scar on my forehead from 22 stiches I got during a head butting incident in a ruck.
We all used to wear the same color nail polish so that in a ruck we knew who we were scratching;)
I have a friend who was a hooker in college - she has many similar stories.
Edited to add:
The hooker to which I refer is a position in rugby - I realized not everyone here follows the sport and may question the company I kept in college.:cool:
I have a friend who was a hooker in college - she has many similar stories.
Edited to add:
The hooker to which I refer is a position in rugby - I realized not everyone here follows the sport and may question the company I kept in college.:cool:
Most people outside of rugby circles don't understand most of the terminology used in the game. It can be pretty vulgar.
Hooker though, I don't think is. It simply refres to the fact that in the scrum, the "hooker" hooks the ball with their foot in an attempt to pass it to the back of the scrum.
Dozer523
11-10-2009, 15:45
“She is a hard hitter,” the former teammate said. “She is aggressive. She is extremely strong. And she doesn’t back down to anyone . . . Especially if she is standing behind them. She is a worthless cheater. Ban her from College play for life.
Have you ever seen a women's rugby game???The closest I've been to a rugby game was that bleak afternoon I, along with two other gym rats, got an invitation that couldn't be refused.
Members of the University of Texas's Lady Longhorns basketball team needed extra bodies for a friendly run and the women asked (read: told) us to play. Sure, we said, although the exchanged glances among us all said the same thing: "Yikes.":(
For the next forty minutes or so, we did our best to keep up with the wing players and to stay the hell out of the key. There, the starting PF and a reserve big went at each other like they were playing in the 1990 NBA Eastern Conference Finals. At times, the PF seemed to give up the post intentionally just so she could take it back.:eek:
All in all, I was lucky that (a) the woman I tried to guard was wearing her street sneakers rather than a decent pair of 'kicks,' (b) they were just passing time between classes and not eager to go all out, and (c) sporting conduct is cherished at the Forty Acres--they did us the courtesy of limiting their disdain for our presence in their game with mocking smiles rather than derisive laughs.:p
incarcerated
11-10-2009, 22:45
This is a reason, not an excuse. It wasn't a referee or an official from FIFA pulling hair and throwing forearms in the game. It was Elizabeth Lambert..... But no, FIFA and the officials-- not Ms. Lambert--are responsible for the choices she made.
FIFA and the refs are responsible for crafting the permissive playing environment that Lambert and every other player finds themselves in. BYU coach Rockwood has it right: play is determined by what the officials allow. The refs set the tone. It's the same in a classroom: the teacher either controls the classroom, or he/she doesn't. What kind of outcome you get flows from that.
Not counting balls-out-of-bounds, the officials in our women's' collegiate soccer game this afternoon made 18 correct calls, and 15 bad calls. That is an average performance. This would probably not be acceptable in a high school basketball, baseball or football game. Yet it is endemic to soccer, especially since the adoption of the Advantage Clause in the 1970s. (I will spare you that booooorrring dissertation.)
Sig, I never knew a player who gave a fig about those four layers of guidance. The NCAA athlete doesn't worry about that kind of thing any more than a player at Juventus does. They both know that they play in an environment of defective enforcement.
Let me clarify my remarks for you: I have no problem with a rough game. A highly pitched game played with intensity and filled with hard tackles is a thing of beauty. Players taking dives and cheap shots, especially away from the ball, or using fists, are ugly crap that deserve to be controlled or removed from the game, for the sake of the sport. And the referees aren't always going to do their jobs.
Complaining about the refs is the wrong focus.
When confronted with a dangerous hack like Lambert, a team response is called for. How much of a response depends on what the hack was trying to do: intimidate, or injure? On a Men's team, there are generally four or five players who will act as enforcers and see that the hack has to leave the game. Girls are a little more reluctant to do this, in my experience, and do it with a little more effort and less talent. It is best done without emotion or animosity, and without a word. Lambert is a defender (they tend not to hold the ball or carry), so it means that you might float some balls up for her to win in the air against one of your own defenders who has gone forward, and goes in a little late. Presto! The hack is gone, and at worst you pull a yellow card for it. If done well, you have a 50% chance of having no infraction called.
If the refs are asleep at the switch or out to lunch, layers of guidance aren't going to protect you. Your team mates are.
afchick, you are my kind of gal!
While I understand and have observed the points you are trying to make, incarcerated and afchic, I'm an overaged, washed up athlete myself and understand that at the end of the day, my actions on the fields of friendly strife were always my own responsibility and no one else's, to include game officials. Playing to the standards of "loose" officiating is a downward logic spiral that potentially ends very poorly for everyone involved. Consider the repercussions if that decision-making process ("I'll do it since I'll likely get away with it") were applied to life off the pitch.
The NCAA has a perfect opportunity here to clearly define its standards of conduct. I hope they don't piss it away.
incarcerated
11-11-2009, 01:22
The NCAA has a perfect opportunity here to clearly define its standards of conduct. I hope they don't piss it away.
I could not agree more.
At most levels of play, any one of the fouls demonstrated here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMAtxuCpsMU&feature=fvsr
and
(this one could have done without the music)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmptDlooysk&feature=related
and
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmptDlooysk&feature=related
warrants immediate ejection and a two game suspension. The collection of fouls ordinarily earns a one year suspension. Suspension for life has been known to happen in our local adult rec leagues. But in referee culture, I have found a pervasive belief that college soccer is supposed to be dangerously rough, with most contact permitted. It's up to officials and administrators to see that Lambert experiences consequences and takes responsibility for her actions, beyond ending up as the 1.25 million+ view You Tube spectacle and national sports embarrassment that she has made of herself. IMHO she is a sort of soccer criminal: not capable of self-control or self-governance, and looking to victimize opponents. Left to her own devices, I would expect her to continue the behavior. Had she not been televised, no one would have ever heard of her, nor would she have experienced significant consequences for her actions. To my mind, a one year suspension and loss of any scholarships would be a light sentence in this case. The referee crew for the BYU game should also be disciplined.
In basketball, it was the custom to raise your hand and own the foul that had just been called on you. No similar custom or gesture exists in soccer. Nor do our American coaching traditions (found especially in basketball and football) exist in soccer (at least not here in the US). They have not transferred over, for some reason. I experience a lot of frustration at the adult management of the sport. It is a wonderful kids' game.
It's the same in a classroom: the teacher either controls the classroom, or he/she doesn't. What kind of outcome you get flows from that.FWIW, I never heard this equation in any of the training sessions I attended as a sports official for some rather competitive recreational and intramural leagues or as an educator.
In the case of the latter, the emphasis was on teaching students, not controlling them. As for the former, the best training our crews received centered around maintaining the flow of the game within the boundaries of the rules, not control of the players.
Playing to the standards of "loose" officiating is a downward logic spiral that potentially ends very poorly for everyone involved.Agreed.
IMO, an immediate outcome of this trajectory of logic is that the loosing team has a built in excuse not just for loose play but for losing the match. In both cases, the officials can be blamed. In this environment, every victory is tarnished more by the grousing of players, coaches, and fans than by the officials' blown calls. YMMV.
PedOncoDoc
11-11-2009, 04:35
In the case of the latter, the emphasis was on teaching students, not controlling them.
How can someone be taught who is out of control? How does one teach control without providing example and maintaining order? More is learned in school than what is in the books...
It's difficult to balance with the potential of stifling creativity and individuality. Teachers walk a razor's edge just as much as any other profession, if not more than most IMHO.
LongTabSigO
11-11-2009, 06:15
Not for nuthin' but this thread evolved into something vastly more interesting and educational that I originally anticipated.
Great comments!
Dirt Gallo
11-11-2009, 09:03
Myself and just about every other soccer player I played with when in school carry scars from the dirty play that occurs on just about every field. I am well aware of the rules, and when caught by the referees, the players should be nailed to the wall by them. More often than not, these actions happen quickly and never are seen by anyone other than by players involved. That is just how it is.
I don't recall players being ejected for what we see at home in other sports when the officials don't catch them. . Why should this woman be treated any differently? Is it because we are looking at a female league and are expecting something more dignified?
incarcerated
11-12-2009, 02:04
"Professional football is something like war. Whoever behaves too properly, is lost."
--Rinus Michels,
Ajax, Barcelona, and Netherlands National Team coach
Originally Posted by incarcerated
It's the same in a classroom: the teacher either controls the classroom, or he/she doesn't. What kind of outcome you get flows from that.
I think that comparing teaching a class and officiating a sport are two different things and not a good comparison...
Originally Posted by Razor
Playing to the standards of "loose" officiating is a downward logic spiral that potentially ends very poorly for everyone involved.
If FIFA, would mandate that officials, especially below the pro level, were held to a higher standard, incidents like this one would be non-existent(evaluation and fine system). Surely if the IL Hockey Officials Asso. can recruit volunteers out of an organization of 10,000 + officials to be supervisors and develope officials, the US Soccer Asso(or IYSA) can do the same thing.
As a former Ice Hockey official and having worked several high level state/regional/national championship tournaments/games. (I was given the privilege through performance evaluations, worked several NAHL Jr A championships and one Jr A National championship, several IL state high school championships)
At all of the officiating seminars it was pounded into our heads that "Officials manage the game, coaches are expected to control their players. If the coaches cannot coach their players to play to the standard set by the official reffing the game, then you keep calling penalties until they get the hint.
I cannot count how many times I heard, "you're losing control ref!" To which I retorted every time, coach, if I call any more penalties there's going to more in your [penalty] box than are on your bench! Get control of your players...
Granted this was a time when hockey officials were allowed far too much judgement and the powers that be knew this and started gaining more control over the officials. There are now in place; Weekly "rules interpretation meetings", "Ethic commitee's", "who's reffing the ref's" commitee's etc... The Rule book to date has changed to define certain fouls that were once gray area fouls to more black and white and say - "this is a foul". It is fabulous!
Now that my kids are playnig soccer, I have been to several soccer coaching/referee seminars. I have found that in soccer, the instructor always seems to point out "law 18", when in fact there is no written law 18.
"What's law 18?"
To quote one of the instructors, "Well, it's the rule that says I can pretty much do anything I please as long as it doesn't interfere with the flow of the game and do anything I need to do to ensure the game flows properly."
So there in itself is the part of the problem as well as Razor's quote;
Originally posted by Razor, And there's the crux of the problem. Character is what you do when no one else is looking.
To which I pound into my 4 sons daily... ;)
One thing is for sure with this incident;
ALL three parties involved (player, coach, officials) need to be dealt with severely, IMO.
How can someone be taught who is out of control? How does one teach control without providing example and maintaining order? More is learned in school than what is in the books...
1. You likely will not. And if one is out of control, there are a few more that are in the classroom that are missing it because of the distraction(s). If 1-3 students in each of my classes would either conform or disappear, i know for a fact that 3-4 students grades in each class would go up with less distraction from the fool(s) and more direct attention on their worthy academic needs.
2. Teaching control....standards and expectations are explained and upheld. If they can't conform, then an administrator needs to figure out an alternative setting/environment for the student....actually for the other students so they can actually concentrate on the topic/lesson instead of dealing with the fool(s).
3. Very true. But you can only teach the willing. Loving them to death, pleading with them, finding .... excuses for them and drugging them, offering rewards and concessions do nothing if they do not want to learn. Someone is always responsible, and 99.9% of these students lack(ed) parents that took/take the initiative and control.
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PedOncoDoc
11-13-2009, 05:25
1. You likely will not. And if one is out of control, there are a few more that are in the classroom that are missing it because of the distraction(s). If 1-3 students in each of my classes would either conform or disappear, i know for a fact that 3-4 students grades in each class would go up with less distraction from the fool(s) and more direct attention on their worthy academic needs.
2. Teaching control....standards and expectations are explained and upheld. If they can't conform, then an administrator needs to figure out an alternative setting/environment for the student....actually for the other students so they can actually concentrate on the topic/lesson instead of dealing with the fool(s).
3. Very true. But you can only teach the willing. Loving them to death, pleading with them, finding .... excuses for them and drugging them, offering rewards and concessions do nothing if they do not want to learn. Someone is always responsible, and 99.9% of these students lack(ed) parents that took/take the initiative and control.
The questions were meant to be rhetorical but you raise excellent points. ;)