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This is interesting . . . you type in the web address and the analyzer tells you the personality type of the forum. Not sure how the results stack up given the apparent contradiction below.
ISTJ - The Duty Fulfillers
The responsible and hardworking type. They are especially attuned to the details of life and are careful about getting the facts right. Conservative by nature they are often reluctant to take any risks whatsoever.
The Duty Fulfillers are happy to be let alone and to be able to work int heir own pace. They know what they have to do and how to do it.
http://www.typealyzer.com/index.php?lang=en
George Washington was a famous ISTJ.
I'm an INTP which probably explains why it takes me twice as long to understand what is said by some of the QPs and others.
If this is too gay, just delete the whole thing. :munchin
Well it started off ok.....
I just tried www.professionalsoldiers.com and received:
INTJ - The Scientists
[INTJ]
The long-range thinking and individualistic type. They are especially good at looking at almost anything and figuring out a way of improving it - often with a highly creative and imaginative touch. They are intellectually curious and daring, but might be physically hesitant to try new things.
The Scientists enjoy theoretical work that allows them to use their strong minds and bold creativity. Since they tend to be so abstract and theoretical in their communication they often have a problem communicating their visions to other people and need to learn patience and use concrete examples. Since they are extremely good at concentrating they often have no trouble working alone.
Me thinks that typealyzer.com needs some work???
My $00/002
incarcerated
11-08-2009, 15:17
The 'I' is for Introversion. Does that sound like this forum?
How might a text analysis go about producing a determination of Meyers Briggs personality type? In other words, how does Mattias Östmar's 'psychographic analysis of social media' work? I would be very interested to hear a discussion of this.
Marina, you are among 2% of the population that are INTPs. You'll make a good 5 on the Enneagram.
Bill Harsey
11-08-2009, 19:32
web analyzers are not advanced enough to handle this group.
web analyzers are not advanced enough to handle this group.
Although analysis often seems called for. :D
Utah Bob
11-08-2009, 21:19
Scientists! Yup. And brain surgeons. That's us.:rolleyes:
The MBTI is a 'preference' scaled response test based on the respondent's preferences with two opposite preferences for each scale.
We gave the MBTI (along with the TONI, WAIS2, and True Colors) to all of our students and faculty to help them better understand themselves and others.
For the MB - I am an INTJ - but there are percentages of preferences (0 - 70) for each scaled response with mine being 31-31-23-13.
http://www.typelogic.com/intj.html
Like any such test - it's a 'tool' for considertion and not a definitive answer. ;)
Richard's $.02 :munchin
Bill Harsey
11-09-2009, 07:33
The MBTI is a 'preference' scaled response test based on the respondent's preferences with two opposite preferences for each scale.
We gave the MBTI (along with the TONI, WAIS2, and True Colors) to all of our students and faculty to help them better understand themselves and others.
For the MB - I am an INTJ - but there are percentages of preferences (0 - 70) for each scaled response with mine being 31-31-23-13.
http://www.typelogic.com/intj.html
Like any such test - it's a 'tool' for considertion and not a definitive answer. ;)
Richard's $.02 :munchin
And then there are the tests of character that have nothing to do with a pencil and paper. I think these are the ones that count.
Buffalobob
11-09-2009, 09:37
I was tested twice and I was always an INTJ. As has been noted before, very hard for me to communicate with people because my thought process is so different. Also why I hunt alone a lot - I know what I am doing and am happy to just go and do it and not be bothered by other people. Also one of the reasons I went into Special Forces. I believed they would tolerate me being slightly eccentric and different.
WIKI
The Mastermind Rational is one of the 16 role variants of the Keirsey Temperament Sorter, a self-assessed personality questionnaire designed to help people better understand themselves. David Keirsey originally described the Mastermind role variant; however, a brief summary of the personality types described by Isabel Myers contributed to its development. Masterminds correlate primarily with the Myers-Briggs type INTJ.[1] They comprise about one percent of the population.[2]
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[edit] Overview
Masterminds are introspective, pragmatic, directive, and attentive. As strategists, they are better than any other type at brainstorming approaches to situations. Masterminds are natural but not eager leaders, stepping forward only when it becomes obvious to them that they are the best for the job. Strong-willed and very self-assured, they may make this decision quickly, as they tend to make all decisions. But though they are decisive, they are open to new evidence and new ideas, flexible in their planning to accommodate changing situations. They tend to excel at judging the usefulness of ideas and will apply whatever seems most efficient to them in accomplishing their clearly envisioned goals. To Masterminds, what matters is getting it done—but also learning the principles of how to get it done efficiently and well, that is, at a professional level of quality. However, they may give little thought to the personal cost of getting there, "focusing so tightly on their own pursuits [that] they can ignore the points of view and wishes of others."[1]:200
Masterminds are highly pragmatic, and they will put forth a great deal of time and effort to implement effective ideas. They are driven to solve complex problems and to create organized, decided, and executed solutions. Masterminds tend to make positive statements instead of negative ones, focusing on how to make the organization more efficient in the future rather than dwelling on past mistakes.
Masterminds are also highly theoretical, and the most open-minded of the 16 role variants. Before Masterminds adopt a theoretical notion, they insist on researching all the available data and checking the idea against reality. Masterminds are suspicious of theories based on poor research and will discard ideas that cannot be effectively implemented.
As leaders, Masterminds are skilled in contingency planning and entailment organizing, which are directive activities that tell the planner what activities to do and in what order to do them. Once in a position of power, Masterminds are known for their efficiency and willingness to adopt useful ideas.
[edit] Notable Masterminds
According to Keirsey,[2] Isaac Newton may have been a Mastermind.
For illustrative purposes, Keirsey and his son, David M. Keirsey,[3] have identified well-known individuals whose behavior is consistent with a specific type.[2] Unless otherwise noted, the categorization of the individuals below, whether living or dead, as Masterminds is a matter of expert opinion rather than the result of actual testing of the named individual.
* Niels Bohr
* Dwight D. Eisenhower
* Ulysses S. Grant
* Stephen Hawking
* John Maynard Keynes
* Lise Meitner
* Isaac Newton
* Friedrich Nietzsche
* Peter the Great
* Ayn Rand
GratefulCitizen
11-09-2009, 12:04
The MBTI is a 'preference' scaled response test based on the respondent's preferences with two opposite preferences for each scale.
We gave the MBTI (along with the TONI, WAIS2, and True Colors) to all of our students and faculty to help them better understand themselves and others.
For the MB - I am an INTJ - but there are percentages of preferences (0 - 70) for each scaled response with mine being 31-31-23-13.
http://www.typelogic.com/intj.html
Like any such test - it's a 'tool' for considertion and not a definitive answer. ;)
Richard's $.02 :munchin
Not understanding to how these numbers are calculated.
Took the quick test here: http://kisa.ca/personality/
Came back INTJ 61%-73%-80%-55%.
Assuming the MBTI is much more detailed.
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Wow. The description on that link ( http://www.typelogic.com/intj.html ) nailed it.
...INTJs know what they know, and perhaps still more importantly, they know what they don't know.
...INTJs apply (often ruthlessly) the criterion "Does it work?"
...freeing the INTJ from the constraints of authority, convention, or sentiment for its own sake.
...INTJs have also been known to take it upon themselves to implement critical decisions without consulting their supervisors or co-workers.
...many also find it useful to learn to simulate some degree of surface conformism in order to mask their inherent unconventionality.
...Perhaps the most fundamental problem, however, is that INTJs really want people to make sense.
...Intuitive function can often act as a good substitute by synthesizing the probable meanings behind such things as tone of voice, turn of phrase, and facial expression.
That link just addressed many lingering questions.
Found another link:
http://theorem.ca/~mvcorks/intj.html
Wow. Nails it even better.
Dozer523
11-09-2009, 12:20
Richard, Buffalo Bob, we make a trio I'm INTJ
This personality type is supposed to be fairly rare. (That's why we feels "so all alone" F. 'em) . . . wait, might be another reason.;)
I'm:
I 86%
N 58% (I've taken this at other times and sometimes end up an "S". Might be something I ate:p
T 90%
J 91*
Not understanding to how these numbers are calculated.
That's because you did not take the MBTI. ;)
Richard
Utah Bob
11-09-2009, 15:31
I was tested twice and I was always an INTJ. As has been noted before, very hard for me to communicate with people because my thought process is so different. Also why I hunt alone a lot - I know what I am doing and am happy to just go and do it and not be bothered by other people. Also one of the reasons I went into Special Forces. I believed they would tolerate me being slightly eccentric and different.
Assuming anybody even noticed.:D
I'm another INTJ. :eek:
GratefulCitizen
11-09-2009, 22:14
Now this is just downright funny.
Maybe it's just a warped sense of humor.
Curious what the INTJ's think.
http://intjcentral.com/manual1
http://intjcentral.com/manual4
http://intjcentral.com/manual3
http://intjcentral.com/manual2
incarcerated
11-10-2009, 00:46
Jiminy Christmas! There are five of you INTJs here on this topic.
http://intjcentral.com/manual1
....only about 1% or 2% of the general population are INTJs....
Same numbers as INTPs, of which there are two on this thread.
While the average for each of the 16 types would be 6.25% of the overall population per type,
< 4% of all people are INTs.
Buffalobob
11-10-2009, 05:08
Curious what the INTJ's think.
Behind the humor is a lot of truth. In fact, most of it is true.
Behind the humor is a lot of truth. In fact, most of it is true.
I can't remember ever taking the test,, probably have..
I just run thru two different versions, both came up INTJ..
Why did I expect that??
One of the test had percentages, but no explaination??
Does the % have significance,, or just a scale?
Another Brick in the Wall... :D
armymom1228
11-10-2009, 07:07
I can't remember ever taking the test,, probably have..
I just run thru two different versions, both came up INTJ..
Why did I expect that??
Another Brick in the Wall... :D
Took that test a month back. INTJ, after reading 'mastermind' it doesn't surprise me. I have always prefered to be the power behind the throne and manipulate things to my advantage rather than forcing the issue. Being alone never bothered me.
I would suspect that pretty much most QP's would come out INTJ.
Bob? you do know the difference between eccentric and crazy is money right? I am too poor at the moment to qualify for eccentric. I will just stick with merely being crazy.:D:p
I have simply always defined myself as not being a 'herd' animal. I see things a bit differently, have an off sense of humor. Follow my own set of rules in life. It has always worked for me. YMMV. ;)
Utah Bob
11-10-2009, 07:57
Perhaps some of us should be designated IPs.:D
Dozer523
11-12-2009, 07:19
Now this is just downright funny.
Maybe it's just a warped sense of humor.
Curious what the INTJ's think. [insert evil mastermind laugh here].
Dozer523
11-13-2009, 06:42
From http://www.xeromag.com/fun/personality.html
INTJ: The outside contractor
INTJs are solid, competent personalities who may seem aloof and even arrogant, but who are typically highly skilled in any field which interests them. INTJs are confident in their skills and knowledge, self-assured, and imaginitive; their exceptional problem-solving skills make them ideal architects, auto mechanics, and tools of the evil empire. While it requires the driving will to conquer of an ENTJ to imagine the Death Star and the evil genius of an ENTP to invent its devastating weapons systems, the skill and technical prowess of the INTJ is what makes the whole thing work.
The INTJ sees life as a problem to be solved. For that reason, the INTJ is the person a company brings in from the outside to streamline production processes and identify redundant assets for termination. The INTJ's combination of analyticial problem-solving skills and complete and utter disregard for the morality or consequences of his actions also make him ideal for the job of hatchet man, CIA operative, and helpdesk operator.
RECREATION: INTJs are often baffled by the strange and incomprehensible recreational rituals of other people, such as going to parties, watching television, and having sex. Instead, they prefer to spend their leisure time installing twin missile launchers in their cars to deter tailgaters and playing chess with megalomaniac CEOs of the Tyrell corporation.
COMPATIBILITY: Silly person, INTJs don't have relationships! They may, however build their own friends.
Famous INTJs include J. F. Sebastian and Sgt. Apone.
A plea for leadership from the INTJs in the military
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/20/opinion/20moyar.html?em
. . .
The American corporals and privates who traverse the Afghan countryside today are not at issue. They risk life and limb every day, with little self-pity. Despite the strains of successive combat deployments, they keep re-enlisting at high rates.
The problems lie, rather, in the leadership ranks. Although many Army and Marine officers in Afghanistan are performing well, a significant portion are not demonstrating the vital leadership attributes of creativity, flexibility and initiative. In 2008, to better pinpoint these deficits, I surveyed 131 Army and Marine officers who had served in counterinsurgency operations in Iraq or Afghanistan or both, asking them each 42 questions about leadership in their services.
The results were striking. Many respondents said that field commanders relied too much on methods that worked in another place at another time but often did not work well now. Officers at higher levels are stifling the initiative of junior officers through micromanagement and policies to reduce risk. Onerous requirements for armored vehicles on patrols, for instance, are preventing the quick action needed for effective counterinsurgency. Of the Army veterans I surveyed, only 28 percent said that their service encouraged them to take risks, while a shocking 41 percent said that the Army discouraged it.
The climate of risk aversion begins in American society at large, which puts a higher premium on minimizing casualties than on defeating the enemy. It continues with American politicians and other elites who focus on the abuses at Abu Ghraib and Haditha in Iraq, but rarely point out the far more numerous instances of American valor.
It doesn’t need to be this way in the Army. After all, the Marine Corps has succeeded in inducing its officers to operate independently. More than twice as many Marine survey respondents as Army respondents — 58 percent — said that their service encouraged risk-taking. Marine culture is different because the career Marine officers who shape it are, on average, less risk-averse than career Army officers.
Researchers have found that the leadership ranks of big organizations are dominated by either “sensing-judging” or “intuitive thinking” personality types. Those in the former category rely primarily on the five senses to tell them about the world; they prefer structure and standardization, doing things by the book and maintaining tight control.
In the late 20th century, the Army gravitated toward standardization, as peacetime militaries often do, and consequently rewarded the sensing-judging officers who are now the Army’s generals and colonels. But this personality type functions less well in activities that change frequently or demand regular risk-taking, like technological development or counterinsurgency. Organizations that thrive under such conditions are most often led by people with intuitive-thinking personalities. These people are quick to identify the need for change and to solve problems by venturing outside the box.
Today, the Army has more intuitive-thinking people among its lieutenants and captains than at the upper levels. Too many of these junior officers continue to leave the service out of disillusionment with its rigidity and risk aversion. To their credit, Secretary of Defense Robert Gates and the Army chief of staff, Gen. George Casey, have been trying to fix this problem, directing promotion boards to value creativity and initiative. But more drastic treatment is required.
The military should incorporate personality test results into military personnel files, and promotion boards should be required to select higher percentages of those who fall into the intuitive-thinking group. Many highly successful businesses factor personality testing into promotion decisions; the military, with far more at stake, should be no less savvy.
More immediately, our generals should repeatedly visit the colonels who command brigades and battalions to see if they are encouraging subordinates to innovate and take risks. Commanders who refuse to stop micromanaging should be relieved. The change may be disruptive and painful, but in the long run it will save lives and shorten wars.
Mark Moyar is a professor of national security affairs at Marine Corps University and the author of “A Question of Command: Counterinsurgency From the Civil War to Iraq.”
Although many Army and Marine officers in Afghanistan are performing well, a significant portion are not demonstrating the vital leadership attributes of creativity, flexibility and initiative.
They're out there - here's one.
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/world/stories/DN-gukeisen_20int.ART.State.Edition1.4be2ed1.html
I would think the likes of GENs Petraeus and McChrystal (as well as those they choose to staff their HQs and groom for senior leadership under their commands) fit the category, too.
And so it goes...;)
Richard's $.02 :munchin
Dozer523
12-21-2009, 09:52
i think I had my first significant INTJ experience as a young officer on a division free maneuver (well . . . as free maneuver as you get in FRG) with the 3ID in about 1982. I was the HHC XO (who DID i piss off?). The S-4 (who is a member of this forum!) 'splained Trains operations to me. "LT D, We run (not command and barely lead) the Trains. Everything the Bn will accomplish will be because the Trains make it so. The Trains are a diverse group of perceived slackers who are disgruntled because they know they work harder to support the "pointy end" then the "pointy end" does. It is a little like herding cats. Consider it as a city. I am the Mayor, you are the City Manager. You run it, I'm responsible for it." CPT P then disappeared and I hardly ever saw him again -- He was mostly hanging out with the CSC commander because he was going to be changing Command soon. And the HHC Commander, where was he? With the TOC.
"Everything the Bn will accomplish will be because the Trains make it so" was in the hands of the S-1, the Support Platoon Leader and moi! We were, and still are, best friends. (Be afraid, be very afraid.)
It snowed like hell. I think it was officially called Marne Magic, we called it "Marne-freeze-you-ass-off". The first Trains laager was set for the woods behind a hill, over-looking a quintessential German village. The snow was two feet deep, more on the way. I was pretty sure I could get all my vehicles and people in but getting them out . . . ? (And getting the jobs done? the Mess SGT was already bitching.)
I went all INTJ.
And we rolled down to the village. My driver spoke jerman. We found the Mayor and the translation went sort of like this.
"Ask him if we can park our 35 vehicles in the town for a day or so."
"Guten Tag, miena Herr. Canst vee here parken ein a kuchen?"
"Yes, but what of the other 34 vehicles."
"Go sit in the jeep you goober."
I told my wonderfully fluent new friend what we had and he gave us access to the local gas station for the Support Platoon
a farm Court yard for the Mess Kitchens
a school for the S-1 and we set up the S-4 track next to the church steeple.
a hay filled barn for the Medics (headed by an 18D he was very supportive of this idea). It was the only time I ever tasted milk still warm from the cow.
and one free room in the gasthaus.
The Bn XO came by and noticed this was not exactly according to plan. He was not an INTJ. (Maybe an ISPT. Or whatever the opposite was. Anyway not a pretty combination.) At least he let me walk him through what we had -- after he made me come out the the original site with the 5 ton wrecker to pull him out of the snow.
("I thought you told 'em."
'I didn't tell 'em, I thought you told 'em."
"If we'd told 'em them never would have let us."
"What do you mean 'we'?"
"Yeah, You're the city manager, I just went where you told me."
"Yeah, me too"
"So. . . . that's how it's gonna be, on my own?
In smiling unison "YUP! Good luck.")
Anyway, MAJ was at least happy to see me or the wrecker and did let me show him how "the tactical situation had changed". But . . . there WAS lots of scowling. UNTIL ,we finished the tour (BTW it looked great in a Tony Tiger sort of way) in front of the Gasthaus.
"Sir, the Mayor gave us one room, obviously none of us can use it but, since you're here it would be a shame to let it go to waste."
The results: hot chow on time to the troops ACA and very happy 1SGs
No problem with Class 3, down vehicles returned to action way faster then anyone else
No cold weather injuries
Didn't see too much of the XO
And the Bc Cdr paid me the highest possible compliment. He never said a word to me about it.:D
INTJ's ROCK!!!
Dozer,
There should've been an English-German speaking LNO with your BN to help coordinate just such activities - they were called CMOs (Civil-Mil Ops) and were TO&E slots in the regional Territorial Commands (TK-Sud and Nord) and BN-level support units (UKdos) from the local AOs; Theater-level coord came through the TrashCom (21st TAACOM).
Based on your sordid tale of typical INTJ behavior, I suspect your BN XO was quiet because he realized that he should've ensured the S-3 had made the request as noted on his check-list to help with such a contingency. :p
And so it goes...;)
Richard's $.02 :munchin
Dozer523
12-21-2009, 10:15
Dozer,
Based on your sordid tale of typical INTJ behavior, I suspect your BN XO was quiet because he realized that he should've ensured the S-3 had made the request as noted on his check-list to help with such a contingency. :p
OHHHHHHHHHHHHh hell, I thought he was like almost everyone else. . . . . . . . . . . . . Just didn't like ME.
The XO was SF, too.