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larfive
07-19-2004, 15:22
Who makes the best type of saftey rounds for in house or serious social work?

Gents your views

The Reaper
07-19-2004, 15:58
Originally posted by larfive
Who makes the best type of saftey rounds for in house or serious social work?

Gents your views

IMHO, the LeMas.

TR

Air.177
07-19-2004, 16:31
Any shotshell loaded with #8 or 9 shot

NousDefionsDoc
07-19-2004, 16:55
Originally posted by Air.177
Any shotshell loaded with #8 or 9 shot

You got a quail problem in your crib?

Air.177
07-19-2004, 17:05
Hey man, a hi brass #8 or 9 field load from across a living room or down a hall should take care of damn near anything you could need to shoot inside your own home. With the small pellets being less likely to go through more than one layer of wallboard, much less anyone on the other side of the wall.

NousDefionsDoc
07-19-2004, 17:13
Ok, ok, no need to yell at me. I meant crib as in home, not as in baby crib.

Air.177
07-19-2004, 17:40
Originally posted by NousDefionsDoc
Ok, ok, no need to yell at me. I meant crib as in home, not as in baby crib.

That was evident, Thank you

KevinB
07-23-2004, 17:58
For what weapons?

TF Kilo
07-23-2004, 23:41
I second the Lemas.

larfive
07-25-2004, 12:17
The weapons would be for pistol 9mm and .45, and the shotgun is a remington 870 and a super benelli 90m3

The Reaper
07-25-2004, 13:39
Range for the shotgun work?

TR

APLP
07-26-2004, 01:35
Originally posted by larfive
Who makes the best type of saftey rounds for in house or serious social work?

Gents your views

If you would please, what would be the operational requirements of safety rounds for in house, and how would that be compared to the operational requirements of ammuntion for serious social work?

larfive
07-26-2004, 09:07
Originally posted by The Reaper
Range for the shotgun work?

TR

Negative sir, HD.

The Reaper
07-26-2004, 09:22
Originally posted by larfive
Negative sir, HD.

Let me rephrase.

At what distance do you anticipate using the shotgun?

TR

larfive
07-26-2004, 12:15
Oh roger,

5-7meters. You gave me information, thanks again for squaring me away. Ill test it out on the range.

LarV

Alex F
08-16-2004, 10:23
I've been carrying/shooting .45 ACP hydrashoks, but I see that the APLP/Lemas is highly favored.

Is there a way to purchase a lot of this ammunition for carry?

Regards

larfive
08-17-2004, 11:43
Originally posted by Alex F
I've been carrying/shooting .45 ACP hydrashoks, but I see that the APLP/Lemas is highly favored.

Is there a way to purchase a lot of this ammunition for carry?

Regards

Good question Alex,

TR, APLP, or Guy would best be able to answer that one. Gents?

The Reaper
08-17-2004, 12:00
I will defer to APLP on who he can sell to.

A non-AP enhanced civilian version of the ammo is marketed by RBCD, IIRC, their site is www.rbcd.net

APLP may also be able to speak on the legalities of the ammo, but I do not believe that any of the versions fall under the statutes regarding AP ammo.

HTH.

TR

Alex F
08-17-2004, 12:51
90 and 115 grain bullets in a .45?

http://www.rbcd.net/Personal%20Defense%20Ammo.htm

Interesting...

Thanks for the link TR.

The Reaper
08-17-2004, 13:14
Originally posted by Alex F
90 and 115 grain bullets in a .45?

http://www.rbcd.net/Personal%20Defense%20Ammo.htm

Interesting...

Thanks for the link TR.

I cannot say what the commercial loads will do, but from a 3.5" Para P12 at 7 yards, every round of the 90gr. LeMas will cleanly hole a 1/4" hardened aluminum armor plate, or a 11 ga. Stainless steel panel.

FYI, 230 gr. Hydrashock will barely make a mark on the aluminum, and will moderately dent, but not penetrate the stainless.

Good stuff!

TR

Alex F
08-17-2004, 15:37
I was reading some of the testimonials on their site, and it looks to be very popular among the professionals.

Now to find a stocking dealer....

The Reaper
08-17-2004, 18:05
I have posted these before, but here is the LeMas and Hydrashok shots on aluminum armor, from the Para P-12 3.5" barrel.

HTH explain better.

TR

The Reaper
08-17-2004, 18:06
Here are the same loads on stainless steel plate.

TR

The Reaper
08-17-2004, 18:36
Anybody need to see the hard target penetration capability in video, or will you take my word for it?

If I'm lyin', I'm dyin'!

TR

Roguish Lawyer
08-17-2004, 19:37
Originally posted by The Reaper
Anybody need to see the hard target penetration capability in video, or will you take my word for it?

If I'm lyin', I'm dyin'!

TR

I will take your word for it, but I'd like to see the video again too! :)

Alex F
08-18-2004, 08:51
Originally posted by The Reaper
Anybody need to see the hard target penetration capability in video, or will you take my word for it?

If I'm lyin', I'm dyin'!

TR

I'm a believer. I wish I could purchase some of this stuff. Too bad former military don't count as end users. :(

Razor
08-18-2004, 09:38
Originally posted by Roguish Lawyer
I will take your word for it, but I'd like to see the video again too! :)

Speaking of wanting to see a video... :D

The Reaper
08-18-2004, 10:04
Sorry, can't currently be posted due to site restrictions.

Got someone working on it.

It is a VERY impressive MP-5SD full auto clip.

TR

Roguish Lawyer
08-18-2004, 10:11
Originally posted by Razor
Speaking of wanting to see a video... :D

As soon as we catch someone, we'll get a clip posted. Surveillance is underway!

larfive
08-18-2004, 14:07
Originally posted by The Reaper
Here are the same loads on stainless steel plate.

TR


DAMMMMMM!!!!!!

Im sold on the Lemas!!! I will definately make them apart of my basic load. Thanks TR

The Reaper
08-18-2004, 19:17
Fixed, thanks, Dan.

Here is the link to the video.

What do you guys think? Anyone else think they have a pistol round that will do that?

TR

http://www.professionalsoldiers.com/files/9mm_cqb_hard_armor.wmv

shadowflyer
08-18-2004, 19:28
Originally posted by The Reaper
Fixed, thanks, Dan.

Here is the link to the video.

What do you guys think? Anyone else think they have a pistol round that will do that?

TR

http://www.professionalsoldiers.com/files/9mm_cqb_hard_armor.wmv


NO....thank goodness the APLP/LeMas guys are on our side ...that is some scary stuff from a 9mm...cut through that armor like a hot knife through butter.

Alex F
08-19-2004, 08:45
Out-freaking-standing.

Die terrorist bastards.

TRS1991
02-13-2014, 14:00
I cant see the video I can hear it but cant see it. Any help??

The Reaper
02-13-2014, 14:33
I cant see the video I can hear it but cant see it. Any help??

Works fine for me. Are you running it in Windows Media Player?

Can you check in on the Intros thread and let us know a little about you, as requested in the board rules?

Thanks mate.

TR

alelks
02-13-2014, 17:45
Living in the country I fully expect my Larue 308 to go through just about any wall in my house and I'm actually relying on that if the situation warrants it. I know home better than any intruder and if he hides behind a wall in just the right places during a gun battle he's toast.

TRS1991
02-14-2014, 01:16
Works fine for me. Are you running it in Windows Media Player?

Can you check in on the Intros thread and let us know a little about you, as requested in the board rules?

Thanks mate.

TR

Thanks for the reply! I have fixed the video problem and have viewed it multiple times now (impressed more and more every time I see it)

Ill get on to the intros ASAP!

The Reaper
02-14-2014, 09:50
Thanks for the reply! I have fixed the video problem and have viewed it multiple times now (impressed more and more every time I see it)

Ill get on to the intros ASAP!

FWIW, I have repeated the test myself with the same armor and a 3.5" barrel .45ACP with 230 gr. Federal Hydrashoks and the LeMas rounds.

The results were identical. No penetration with the Hydrashoks, complete penetration with the LeMas, every time.

TR

TRS1991
02-14-2014, 11:44
FWIW, I have repeated the test myself with the same armor and a 3.5" barrel .45ACP with 230 gr. Federal Hydrashoks and the LeMas rounds.

The results were identical. No penetration with the Hydrashoks, complete penetration with the LeMas, every time.

TR

It truly is incredible bullet technology!

Are LeMas still manufacturing the AP rounds?

Do you have other videos on testing of this ammo?

Toaster
02-26-2014, 12:16
Since of the rounds is much less, is the recoil reduced as well? (particularly felt)

Increased velocity might have an effect...but I haven't touched any physics since high school.