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I'm shocked, it took two days to come up with the race card. :rolleyes: WTF is wrong with these people.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/09/11/black-publishers-racism-wilson-outburst-join-boycott-south-carolina/?test=latestnews
Black Publishers Cry Racism Over Wilson Outburst, Join Boycott of South Carolina
A group of black newspaper publishers on Friday charged Republican Rep. Joe Wilson with racism for yelling, "You lie," at President Obama during his nationally televised address to a joint session of Congress.
The National Newspaper Publishers Association (NNPA) has canceled a planned January conference in South Carolina, where Wilson is a representative, and joined an economic boycott of the Palmetto State started 10 years ago by the state NAACP in protest of the confederate flag waving from the Statehouse grounds.
Wilson shouted his accusation Wednesday night in response to Obama saying that his health care reform plan would not cover illegal immigrants. Wilson, who drew sharp criticism from both sides of the political fence for the breach in decorum, immediately apologized to Obama and the president accepted. But House Democrats are pressing Wilson to apologize on the House floor or face disciplinary action.
The latest fallout from Wilson's outburst, however, is the first time race has been injected into the controversy.
"As African-American newspaper publishers we stand in solidarity with the NAACP and fully support the economic boycott of South Carolina," NNPA Chairman Danny J. Bakewell Sr. said. "Rep. Wilson's remarks were racist, disrespectful, and a disingenuous violation -- not only of President Obama -- but to the institution of the presidency and only solidified our position and the importance in not spending black dollars where black people are not respected.
"The continued public and blatant disrespect of President Barack Obama by members of Congress will not be rewarded with our dollars nor will a state that continues to uphold America's shameful past by flying the Confederate flag," he added.
Wilson's office could not be reached for comment Friday.
Established 69 years ago, the NNPA includes 200 black community newspapers across the country.
The NAACP boycott has reportedly had mixed results, with some saying it has cut into tourism and affected state beaches, restaurants and motels, among other businesses, and others saying it has only hurt black-owned businesses in the state.
In July, the Atlantic Coast Conference announced it would not hold its post-season baseball tournament in Myrtle Beach, S.C., in deference to the NAACP boycott.
When ideas fail, words come in very handy.
- Goethe
And so it goes...;)
richard's $.02 :munchin
Lamentably, we're living in an age where too many people would rather be outraged than get their issues resolved.
One can only wonder what might have happened had Mr. Bakewell invited Representative Wilson to lunch for a civil off the record conversation about the NNPA's concerns.
"The continued public and blatant disrespect of President Barack Obama by members of Congress will not be rewarded with our dollars nor will a state that continues to uphold America's shameful past by flying the Confederate flag," he added.NAACP boycott.
So they guy is essentially saying that EVERYONE in the state of SC is a racist with this statement. I wonder how the African American population in SC feel about him calling them racist.
Ret10Echo
09-11-2009, 19:04
So they guy is essentially saying that EVERYONE in the state of SC is a racist with this statement. I wonder how the African American population in SC feel about him calling them racist.
Well the words that were spoken in my office the morning after were something to the effect of...
"I bet his white @## is from some backwoods place like Kentucky or sumthin"
So is the man who made THAT statement a rascist?
The downard spiral continues.....
Dozer523
09-11-2009, 19:20
He's not racist, he is a dumb ass. When the President is talking Joe should be quiet. Privates learn that about SGT first Damn thing off the bus.
And John Shimkus of my district will probably be wondering how he is going to cover his health care after the next election. If a LT walked out of a CPTs staff meeting he might as well keep walking.
Oh the drama.
Continue this and the Republican party won't even be consulted. And then where will we be?
A group of black newspaper publishers on Friday charged Republican Rep. Joe Wilson with racism for yelling, "You lie," at President Obama during his nationally televised address to a joint session of Congress.
Personally, I thought it was brilliant that he spoke his mind. If only other congress-critters would boldly go where no man has gone before...hmmmm
For perspective, watch the other "Houses of Congress" around the world sometime...They get it on...in more ways than one...:)
Holly
I agree with echoes.
Right or wrong, that's some big balls..
:munchin
Tacky is the correct term for such boorish public behavior - Wilson's actions just prove the old adage that the two most abundant things in the universe are hydrogen and stupidity - and they both seem to be in overabundant supply within the halls of Congress.
Richard's $.02 :munchin
Tacky is the correct term for such boorish public behavior - Wilson's actions just prove the old adage that the two most abundant things in the universe are hydrogen and stupidity.
Richard's $.02 :munchin
I was raised in a house that demanded proper manners. Emily Post had nothing on my Step-mother, for she was all about teaching us the right and wrong way of social norms.
But in the vein of politics, I can offer up that Wilson's actions prove that the one dominant factor in reasoning, (as a congress-critter,) is logic! IMHO, Brilliant!
Holly
He's not racist, he is a dumb ass. When the President is talking Joe should be quiet. Privates learn that about SGT first Damn thing off the bus.
And John Shimkus of my district will probably be wondering how he is going to cover his health care after the next election. If a LT walked out of a CPTs staff meeting he might as well keep walking.
Oh the drama.
Continue this and the Republican party won't even be consulted. And then where will we be?
Except in this case, the congressman is not under the President's command.
I'm inclined to see both parts of this situation from what seems to be the contrary side.
I think the "you lie" was choreographed.
Our sheeple population, as high school students, would call friends before the start of the school year to find out what name brand clothing "we like", and what bands "we like" to be in sync with what everyone else at school would approve. They are now "the constituents". Respectful silence followed by a standing ovation at the end of a great speech could have told the sheeple what "we" all have decided we think.
Heck, look at the reported rise in support after the Prez gave a speech totally devoid of an actual plan.
I think it *had* to be done.
And, I don't see black outrage. I see another training session for "non-minorities". Have a disagreement or problem with someone of a "non-african" background, and it's over when it's over.
However, that one group has organized, united and acts as an "opponent" force. I've spent many years in an environment (DA Civilian) where the approach of managers to settling employee problems was pretty fair and straightforward. However, I've heard (and said myself), "OK, just *please* tell me that none of them were black."
Getting "Sharptoned" has become a verb here.
Even Imus and that Bad-a**ed Bounty Hunter have learned their lesson.
Don't displease a black person. And we, the sheeple, have learned to talk back about as much as we did when Dad reached for his belt.
OK, maybe I'm just having a cynical day.....
FWIW, Columbia, SC is in Representative Wilson's district. The city is slated to receive $249,138,474 in stimulus funds (17% of the state's total) to provide 2,728 jobs.**
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* Source is here (http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Kolinahr).
**Sources are here (http://www.stimuluswatch.org/project/by_city/Columbia/SC) and here (http://www.stimuluswatch.org/project/by_state/SC&per_page=100).
...there should be another beer summit to settle the issue.
I can ABSOLUTELY relate to what Wilson did.
Way back when I was in DLI (Arabic Language School) I had a similar situation.
Well this particular morning before class we were all to go to the auditorium for a briefing on Arabic Culture. Typically, I hadn't studied my dialog for the day so I was busy going over it during the lecture.
Well the lecture was being given by the Chaplin. I was sort of paying attention but not paying attention at the same time. Anyway he said something on the order of "You should never spank a child". For some reason I just blurted out in a rather loud voice "BULL SHIT". That of course went over real well with the troops but the Chaplin wasn't amused.
It just came out without me even thinking about it. I can totally relate.
AL
rltipton
09-11-2009, 20:57
The linear logic is moronic. Can't you just hate the a$$hole because he is a lying piece of s#!+ regardless of race?
You hate liars - Obama lies - Obama is black - you hate black people - you are a racist
I'm seriously sick of it.
Defender968
09-11-2009, 21:02
FWIW, Charleston, SC is in Representative Wilson's district. The city is slated to receive $1,067,369,898 in stimulus funds (73% of the state's total) to provide 18,894 jobs.**
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* Source is here (http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Kolinahr).
**Sources are here (http://www.stimuluswatch.org/project/by_city/Charleston/SC) and here (http://www.stimuluswatch.org/project/by_state/SC&per_page=100).
Rep Wilson actually represents the 2nd district in SC which goes from Beaufort NW along the border to Columbia, he doesn't represent Charleston, Congressman Henry Brown represents Charleston.
As for the NAACP and these publishers we don't really want or need any more idiots in SC regardless of their color, race, religion or creed, we have plenty of our own, the last thing we need is import them from other places so they can just keep boycotting and not come here. :rolleyes:
I don't agree with racism in any form, but to call this a racist statement is just plain stupid, as I've said before I'm fed up with the race card. I certainly understand the congressman’s frustration. If the president is/was referring to HR 3200 as his plan, then while it may have been tacky and inappropriate Mr. Wilson was correct.
I sometimes wonder whether our planet is the asylum of the universe for disordered minds.
- Goethe
Richard's $.02 :munchin
Congress, proof that evolution is true. Monkeys did evolve from congressman. (or Senators, in the case of J.K.)
Rep Wilson actually represents the 2nd district in SC which goes from Beaufort NW along the border to Columbia, he doesn't represent Charleston, Congressman Henry Brown represents Charleston.
I stand corrected.
Dozer523
09-11-2009, 21:28
I was raised in a house that demanded proper manners. Emily Post had nothing on my Step-mother, for she was all about teaching us the right and wrong way of social norms.
But in the vein of politics, I can offer up that Wilson's actions prove that the one dominant factor in reasoning, (as a congress-critter,) is logic! IMHO, Brilliant!
Holly Well, we'll leave this to you and your ettiquetted step mom. Go bitch-slap somebody! :p
Peregrino
09-11-2009, 22:43
Boorish, yes. Correct, also yes. Sadly, the truth is out of fashion; it's certainly not PC. Telling the world that the "annointed one" (emperor) has no clothes is likely to be (at the very least) metaphorically fatal.
armymom1228
09-12-2009, 00:01
I agree with echoes.
Right or wrong, that's some big balls..
Rep Wilson did nothing more that speak the truth.
The gentleman at the podium was indeed being untruthful and misleading.
The Dems think it is okay to boo and hiss Pres Bush.
Isn't that a case of hypocrisy?
Well his political bank is $750,000 richer for his flash of honest anger.
As for manners courtesy and protocol perhaps the joint session should return to silence and maintaining their seats during Presidents speeches, instead of interruptions of party biased standing ovations or ridicule.
Praetorian
09-12-2009, 06:24
Personally, I thought it was brilliant that he spoke his mind. If only other congress-critters would boldly go where no man has gone before...hmmmm
For perspective, watch the other "Houses of Congress" around the world sometime...They get it on...in more ways than one...:)
Holly
I agree....
Maybe what he did would have been inappropriate 100 years ago. Then, before television or radio, when the President spoke before a joint session of Congress, the Congressmen WERE the audience. The President was there to convince THEM of his position. And in that instance they should listen and hold their comments.
But Congress wasn't the audience for Tuesday's speech. The American people were. He has all the congressional votes to pass anything he wants, but the public has turned against it. He was there in an effort to put the brakes on the his sinking pole numbers and to have some chance of saving his big ticket program. The congress were there as PROPS. To give the President the trappings of office that still has a magical aura for most Americans. And to hear nothing but thunderous applause from his supporters which is to only be contradicted by silence from his detractors in the spirit of "decorum".
And so Wilson refused to be used as a prop.
He's not racist, he is a dumb ass. When the President is talking Joe should be quiet. Privates learn that about SGT first Damn thing off the bus.
Why? Unlike a SGT to PVT, The President isn't Joe Wilson's boss..... Or even Joe Wilson's Superior. They are each members of opposing entities each created by the founders to be checks on the other's power. And if the president is using the decorum of the Congress to mislead the people, I believe the congressman has a duty to stand up and say so.
He's not racist, he is a dumb ass. When the President is talking Joe should be quiet. Privates learn that about SGT first Damn thing off the bus.
And John Shimkus of my district will probably be wondering how he is going to cover his health care after the next election. If a LT walked out of a CPTs staff meeting he might as well keep walking.
Oh the drama.
Continue this and the Republican party won't even be consulted. And then where will we be?
I don't understand this. I may be wrong but I thought we had three separate but equal branches.:rolleyes:
However, I agree that there is a certain decorum that needs to be followed. Yelling liar in that venue, albeit true, doesn't mean it was the right (pardon the pun) thing to say. He just needed to wait until the POTUS's speech was done than run to the nearest camera with a microphone and make the same point with a lot more easily demonstrative facts to highlight the obvious lie(s).
Well, we'll leave this to you and your ettiquetted step mom. Go bitch-slap somebody! :p
LOL!:o Touché Sir!
Rep Wilson did nothing more that speak the truth. The gentleman at the podium was indeed being untruthful and misleading.
The Dems think it is okay to boo and hiss Pres Bush.
Isn't that a case of hypocrisy?
Very well said armymom. President Bush took it like a man, and got on with the business of running the country, IMHO.
Holly
Perhaps it would be worthwhile to reflect on the trends and the environment that surround the particular act.
Let us consider those trends. The left - or, if you prefer, the progressives - have used such behavior quite effectively for decades. In many - perhaps even all such instances, authority and authority figures are treated with disrespect and disregard. Minor violations of the law are common within the pattern of challenging authority.
We can see the stirrings of such thinking in Thoreau's 1849 essay, "Resistance to Civil Government", and the further development of the concept by Ghandi and King. Civil disobedience generally involves the opposite of civil behavior. We can note that this approach has been remarkably effective, at least with Western governments.
This brings us back to the specifics - Rep. Wilson's act. It was disrespectful and confrontational without question. It was, perhaps, a violation of House rules. So far as I can tell, it was not illegal. Does the act not, then, fit well within the limits of civil disobedience - does it not meet the general criteria for resisting (opposing) policies that one does not agree with? Is it not well within the limits of behavior for such organizations as ACORN - an organization the POTUS seems familiar with, and seems to embrace? Furthermore, the act appears to have catalyzed the inclusion of language within the bill that is directed toward restricting access by illegal aliens - hence, we might conclude that Wilson's act of civil disobedience was effective.
Therefore, based on the foregoing, I cannot oppose Rep. Wilson's act. It seems entirely within the limits set by participants in our current political universe. And it does not violate the standards set by Ayers and ACORN.
MoonAngel
09-12-2009, 08:25
I personally see that Sen Wilson's outburst was a savvy, although rude, political move. The media had sold this speech as Obama's chance to win over the hearts of the American people and Wilson's display has carefully upstaged Obama entirely.
No one is even discussing Obama's speech.
Was it a spontaneous outburst? I completely doubt it. Was it effective? Clearly. Was it right....? Hmmmm, well, do the ends justify the means? I'll leave that up to you.
The Reaper
09-12-2009, 08:42
What would Andy Jackson do?
TR
What would Andy Jackson do?
Lie there - same as he's been doing for the past 164 years. :p
Richard's $.02 :munchin
Lie there -
But that means...Andy Jackson is a liar! :eek::D:eek:
(awful pun, isn't it?)
But that means...Andy Jackson is a liar!
Lier, actually. :p
Richard's $.02 :munchin
Lier, actually. :p
Richard's $.02 :munchin
Well, maybe since he's just a lier-in there he's playing a lire organizzata.
Pete
PS - Rush called it prior to the new President taking office. He said any and all opposition to him or his programs would be called "racist". And so it would appear.
linked story
http://wbztv.com/local/senator.charles.sumner.2.1175069.html
And Robert Byrd, then the Junior Senator from West Virginia was there to watch. :p
No one is even discussing Obama's speech.
Yep. ;)
Perhaps they are discussing it a lot...not in words and sentences, but in the ebb and flow of money.
Click on the link and take a look at the 20-year chart of the value of the dollar.
LINK (http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=$USD&p=M&yr=20&mn=6&dy=0&id=p53909559009&a=177858204)
I've noted September, 2001 - and you'll notice that just 2 months prior was the high for the dollar. After the attack, we went up a few months, and then afterward it's been down.
Next, notice how the market went up in the months leading up to Nov. 2008. President Bush was rather unpopular then - was the market talking (enthusiastically!) about change?
And then there was Jan 2009 - inaugauration day. The markets went up a little during Feb., and has proceeded downward since. Are the markets not happy about the kind of change we're seeing?
Here's a daily chart. LINK (http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=$USD&p=D&b=5&g=0&id=p28902216690&a=177858873)
Notice how it's gone steadily lower since early March. Some of the more surprising new policies - including health care - started getting attention about then, did they not?
(Much better than going to a tea-leaf reader, don't you think? ;) )
No one is even discussing Obama's speech.
Don't think so. :confused:
Obama’s healthcare tax plan: How risky?
Obama proposes taxing high-end health coverage to help pay for tax credits for the uninsured. That could be controversial for many Americans with employer-based care.
http://features.csmonitor.com/economyrebuild/2009/09/11/obamas-healthcare-tax-plan-how-risky/
Joe Wilson aftermath: Illegals get scrutiny in health reform
Current healthcare bills don’t explicitly mention how illegal immigrants would be treated under some important provisions.
http://features.csmonitor.com/politics/2009/09/11/joe-wilson-aftermath-illegals-get-scrutiny-in-health-reform/
A must for health care reform: End fee-for-service medicine
Doctors need incentives for good care, not more care.
http://www.csmonitor.com/2009/0910/p09s01-coop.html
Single-payer health care: dead in Washington, but alive in the states
Insurance companies may be winning the fight in Washington, but California and Vermont are on the cusp of comprehensive reform.
http://www.csmonitor.com/2009/0910/p09s03-coop.html
Forcing insurance companies to cover preexisting conditions is immoral
President Obama could lead a more honest debate by proposing a welfare program for those who can't get coverage – and paying for it with new taxes.
http://www.csmonitor.com/2009/0910/p09s02-coop.html
Groups Back Health Reform, but Seek Cover
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/12/health/policy/12lobby.html?_r=1&hpw
Dole, Politics Aside, Pushes for Health Care Plan
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/12/health/policy/12dole.html?em
Obama makes healthcare pitch to the insured
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090912/pl_nm/us_usa_healthcare_obama
Obama: I've got every reason to get health care right
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2009-09-12-obama-address-healthcare_N.htm
Obama Says Status Quo No Solution on Health Care
Obama tries to boost momentum on health care, will not accept `the status quo as a solution
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=8554359
Obama Speaks Out on Health Care
While Reform Opponents Hold D.C. March, Obama Tells Minn. Rally That Health Care and Coverage Will Worsen Without Action
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/09/12/politics/main5305679.shtml?tag=stack
Health Care: Now, It's War
http://www.npr.org/watchingwashington/2009/09/health_care_now_its_war.html
And so it goes...;)
Richard's $.02 :munchin
MoonAngel
09-12-2009, 14:43
Normally, after an Obama speech, the media is fawning all over him with congratulations on his spectacular 'world changing' oration. The leftist self-congratulatory display has been overshadowed by the Wilson controversy.
The dialog about healthcare in the country and the current bill itself MUST and does continue.
Praetorian
09-12-2009, 23:19
Normally, after an Obama speech, the media is fawning all over him with congratulations on his spectacular 'world changing' oration. The leftist self-congratulatory display has been overshadowed by the Wilson controversy.
The dialog about healthcare in the country and the current bill itself MUST and does continue.
Yep.... It definitely sucked the air out of the room, and overshadowed Obama's presumed moment in the sun.....
Ret10Echo
09-13-2009, 06:28
It seems that we are looking at this "THING" as individual frames of information as opposed to the whole. Which (IMO) supports the idea that the bill is entirely too complex and the supporters have no idea what is in the legislation beyond the cover page.....
The Congressman's outburst has turned focus on one more frame....I am sure there will be other events that focus on one section or another, but in over a thousand pages who knows what is buried...because the administration doesn't know.
kimberly
09-13-2009, 14:50
I'm shocked, it took two days to come up with the race card. :rolleyes: WTF is wrong with these people.
Crying racism is the cheapest, easiest way out. When no legitimate argument can be made against the simple truth, cry racism and you will attract attention. You will look stupid, but you will attract attention.
Playing the race card also ensures division. What better way to make a statement of the black population supporting a black president (even in the midst of his lying) than to scream that he is THEIR president and represents THEM by playing that card every chance they have?
I am certain that this will not be the last time race is used when Obama is criticized or disagreed with publicly. Anytime he is not tiptoed around, race inevitably comes up.
Crying racism is the cheapest, easiest way out. When no legitimate argument can be made against the simple truth, cry racism and you will attract attention. You will look stupid, but you will attract attention.
Playing the race card also ensures division. What better way to make a statement of the black population supporting a black president (even in the midst of his lying) than to scream that he is THEIR president and represents THEM by playing that card every chance they have?
I am certain that this will not be the last time race is used when Obama is criticized or disagreed with publicly. Anytime he is not tiptoed around, race inevitably comes up.
Yeah, I understand all that. As I said, I'm shocked it took them two days.
Crying racism is the cheapest, easiest way out.
Seldom - yet sometimes it is true.
Richard's $.02 :munchin
Abu-Shakra
09-13-2009, 19:36
I'm not surprised by this. How else is the NAACP going to stay relevant??
kimberly
09-13-2009, 20:10
Yeah, I understand all that. As I said, I'm shocked it took them two days.
Maybe it took that long to find their voice. After all, no one is supposed to criticize Obama, especially to his face.
Ret10Echo
09-14-2009, 05:23
Unparliamentary or un-American?
Mark Mardell | 08:43 UK time, Monday, 14 September 2009
When Senator Joe Wilson outraged some members of his own party, and delighted others, by shouting out "you lie!" during the president's speech, American commentators talked sniffily of the sort of behaviour you would expect in the British House of Commons, not Congress.
It is true that to American eyes and ears, our democratically-elected representatives are a rowdy lot. But "you lie" is clearly unparliamentary language and, if shouted from a sedentary position, the Speaker would probably stop proceedings to issue a warning and perhaps ask for an apology. If one was refused, the member could be expelled from the session.
If an MP wants to accused someone of lying, she or he has to say something like "The right honourable member has involuntarily misled the house as to the facts of the case." Stuffy, but that's the point. The rules are intended defuse potentially violent debate. After all the distance between the government and opposition benches is said to be the length of two drawn swords.
In the United States, it has got physical. In 1856 Senator Charles Sumner made an anti-slavery speech, singling out two fellow members of the senate for vitriolic abuse. He said of one that he was like Don Quixote, who imagined himself a chivalrous knight but was devoted to his "harlot, slavery, who, though ugly to others, is always lovely to him."
One fellow politician called it "Un-American and unpatriotic."
The abused senator's cousin, congressman Preston Brooks, went further. He went into the senate chamber and beat Sumner around the head with a heavy gold-topped walking stick until the cane broke in two and the unfortunate senator, blinded by so much blood, managed to get up, ripping his bolted desk from the floor and staggered off to collapse unconscious. The resulting brain damage was so severe that he did not return to the Senate for three years. Some were exultant: the governor of South Carolina rewarded Brooks with a silver goblet and new walking stick, and one southern paper declared his only mistake was not to use a horse whip. (For most of these details I returned to Doris Kearns Goodwin's superb Team of Rivals.)
Of course, within five years Americans were at each other with more than heavy canes. The assault obviously graphically demonstrates how tempers were rising, but it also further inflamed the mood on both sides.
More recently, in 1964, Senator Strom Thurmond wrestled another senator to the floor in an attempt to stop a detail of civil rights legislation. As the Washington Post gleefully points out Wilson, Brook and Thurmond all hail from South Carolina.
This geographical oddity interested me less than the description of Sumner's speech against slavery as "Un-American and unpatriotic". It is an oft-repeated charge in American politics. It happens elsewhere of course, but Americans seem particularly prone to suggesting their opponents are not only wrong, foolish or misguided, but treasonous to the ideals of their country.
It seems to me, in the current debate, it is partly the president's status, both leader of a political party and embodiment of the nation, that explains such vitriolic anger. Many, including the Republican hierarchy, seemed outraged by the disrespect inherent in Wilson's outburst.
But it works both ways. Those who dislike Obama aren't just against his policies, they feel that because the president stands for their country, his espousal of views alien to their vision of America amounts to an unpatriotic betrayal. Listening to the "tax-payers' tea party" in Washington on the radio over the weekend it struck me that if I was reading a transcript blind of context, I would assume I was listening to a demonstration of a growing resistance to a brutal and undemocratic regime.
Indeed, in the four or five speeches I heard on the radio, details of tax rises and healthcare were hardly mentioned: the theme was "recapturing America" from "tyranny" and regaining "freedom". It sounded as if they were protesting against a coup, probably a violent one, rather than the natural consequence of losing an election less than a year ago.
But I am too new to this place to know if the debate is getting harsher, more strident, even uglier, or whether this is just the vigorous terms of debate that are normal. I'd like to know what you think. But it is why many see Congress as the last refuge of grown-up debate, and want to keep it that way.
Source is here (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090915/ap_on_go_co/us_health_care_heckling/print).House admonishes Wilson for his 'You lie' outburst
By JIM ABRAMS and BEN EVANS, Associated Press Writers Jim Abrams And Ben Evans, Associated Press Writers 25 mins ago
WASHINGTON – The House has voted to admonish Rep. Joe Wilson over his "You lie" outburst to President Barack Obama during the president's health care speech to Congress last week.
The 240-179 vote on the resolution of disapproval reflected the sharp partisan divide over the issue. Democrats insisted that the South Carolina Republican take responsibility for what they said was a serious breach of decorum. Republicans characterized the vote as a political stunt.
Wilson himself would not back down on his position that he owed the House no apology. Surrounded by Republican supporters, Wilson said Obama had "graciously accepted my apology and the issue is over."Unintentionally--but then, with this guy who knows--Representative Wilson is suggesting that the president has authority over the House of Representatives.
Defender968
09-15-2009, 19:25
Source is here (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090915/ap_on_go_co/us_health_care_heckling/print).Unintentionally--but then, with this guy who knows--Representative Wilson is suggesting that the president has authority over the House of Representatives.
I disagree, IMO all he is saying is that the offense was to the president, he apologized, it was accepted, it's over, has nothing to do with the president having or not having authority over the House.
...the very term tickles the shit out of me:
Admonished with a "resolution of disapproval"
Oh no... the HORROR of it all!
breach of decorum? Hell, I thought decorum what you called that stuff you hung up around the house at Christmas time...
...or maybe that was decorations
...whatever - "Congressman Wilson, we disapprove of you!"
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
..."resolution of disapproval"
The Reaper
09-15-2009, 19:49
I suppose that a mooning in response to their disapproval would be out of order.
TR
Defender968
09-15-2009, 19:57
...the very term tickles the shit out of me:
Admonished with a "resolution of disapproval"
Sounds like something the UN would issue or as one of my t-shirts says, Beware their non binding resolutions!
I suppose that a mooning in response to their disapproval would be out of order.
TR
ROTFLMAO :D:lifter:D
incarcerated
09-15-2009, 23:59
Jimmy Carter: Wilson Comments 'Based on Racism'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qA4W70E6krk
Jimmy, I got something for you...
Blitzzz (RIP)
09-16-2009, 05:21
Jimmy Carter's love of Isreal certianly shows he's not.
anyone questioning the POTUS's agenda is racist of course, of course. Then when one has no facts then the alternative is to "Name Call".
Lord knows Ted Kennedy never was disrespectful to President Bush while speaking in the Senate. Pelosi and Reid only said great things about Bush.
Source is here (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090915/ap_on_go_co/us_health_care_heckling/print).Unintentionally--but then, with this guy who knows--Representative Wilson is suggesting that the president has authority over the House of Representatives.
An interesting note. I had the chance this week to speak to the chief of staff who works for a republican congressman, who voted for the resolution. Many of the younger staffers were very upset, as they thought Rep Wilson was right on the mark. The older staffer provided them a "teaching moment".
There are rules in both the House and Senate as to how one person addresses another and how they interact with each other. As the speech was given in Congress, not at the White House, he broke the rules of the House. This Representative believed that the House had every right to admonish Rep Wilson for his lack of decorum.
Blitzzz (RIP)
09-19-2009, 10:24
Wilson apologized to the President...Done
As to house rules he should take the hit but no apology to the house after listening to the Dem's crap about Bush for all those years.
No one ask the President for an apology for Lying to the congress.
Additionally the real "racist" are those people voting for a Black man for the sake of black regardless of politics.
No one ask the President for an apology for Lying to the congress.
Exactly Sir! Where is the OUTRAGE from the Demorats that Obama lied???
WHERE???:mad:
Oh well, it's back with the rest of the Healthcare Bill, that no-one in their party has read! And Oh! Hope to not come across as racist, or anti-something, for saying that...:rolleyes: Grrrr...
Holly
Where is the outrage?
Hmm. Maybe we're used to lies.
Mr. Geithner - Secretary of the Treasury - failed to pay $35,000 in taxes.
Mr. Rangel - The Right Honorable Congressman Rangel - failed to pay taxes on $75,000 of rental income.
Mrs. Clinton - Secretary of State - was busy dodging snipers
Henry Paulson - previous Secretary of the Treasury - told Congress that martial law would be required if Congress did not pass the bailout
Those are just the ones I remember.
Wilson should've known better than to use such crass language - as a card carrying member of that esteemed branch of government known as Congresscritters, he would've been justified in calling the POTUS a legislator. ;)
Richard's $.02 :munchin
Where is the outrage?
Hmm. Maybe we're used to lies.
All good points nmap.;)
My thoughts run to the 1.2 million estimated folks that gathered in D.C. this past week... and damn I wish I could have been there!!!
In any case, on the ONE and only network that covered it, Fox News, I didn't see any of 'em sporting a Pro-O tee shirt! :lifter :)
My point is, Oh Yeah, the O supporters can bet that there IS outrage in America, Hell yes! And if O just wants to watch the news, sit back and sing Cume-by-Ya, He is in for a HUGE shock come election time, IMHO!
Holly
Utah Bob
09-19-2009, 16:51
Well, at least he didn't fling a shoe at him.
Not if he lets some orginazation like ACORN run the election like he wants to do.
B.O. ,
You mean, "Not if he let's someone like Team Sergeant up in his face!!!"...Talk about shock!!!
Now THAT would be some good solid advice that the O should adhere too...in my humble opinion...:lifter
Holly:munchin
on the ONE and only network that covered it, Fox News
Don't let Fox fool you on that one. CNN was on in the gym yesterday and Rick Sanchez was incensed that fox took out a full page ad in the New York Times to say that. He showed clips of CNN with four reporters and two satellite trucks covering the rally. He also showed a Fox anchor covering how much CNN was covering. He then went on a rant about how CNN was covering but not promoting, insinuating that Fox was promoting. The final thing he showed was the background picture Fox used for their NYT ad, it was shockingly similar to the angle from a CNN tower camera truck. A little too similar...
I haven't heard anything about the other big networks though, Fox could be mostly right on this one.
Then after that, it was 40 solid minutes of "THEY'RE ALL RACISTS!!" :rolleyes:
It's all a matter of perspective! :p
And so it goes...;)
Richard's $.02 :munchin