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Richard
09-11-2009, 15:52
And so it goes...;)

Richard's $.02 :munchin

Coast Guard Exercise Rattles Capital
David Stout, NYT, 11 Sep 2009

A Coast Guard training exercise in the Potomac River near the Pentagon stirred alarm and confusion on Friday morning around the time and the place that President Obama was observing the eighth anniversary of the Sept. 11 attacks.

The president’s motorcade had just crossed the Potomac, on its way back to the White House after a ceremony at the Pentagon honoring those who died there, when chatter on a marine radio channel used by the Coast Guard and monitored by the media told of shots being fired on the river.

No shots were actually fired in Friday’s training exercise that appears to have been routine in everything except for the date on which it was conducted. But while the confusion lasted only a few minutes, it was enough to scramble F.B.I. agents and halt departures from Reagan National Airport near the river from 10:08 a.m. until 10:30, Diane Spitaliere, a spokeswoman for the Federal Aviation Administration, told The Associated Press.

Much of the confusion seemed to have been stirred by reports on CNN, based on the radio chatter. Anyone listening to the marine frequency heard simulated instructions to fire 10 rounds at suspicious boats in the river. By the time it became clear that there actually were no shots and no suspicious boats, the confusion had taken on a life of its own, however brief.

It was far from clear whether the fault for the confusion lay with the Coast Guard or with CNN. The Coast Guard chief of staff, Vice Adm. John Currier, said at a mid-day news briefing that the exercise was entirely routine and that similar exercises are carried out several times a week.

In a statement before the briefing, the Coast Guard said: “The exercise was planned in advance and was being conducted on a marine radio frequency reserved for Coast Guard training and operations. No recreational boaters were involved in this training exercise.

“We are still gathering information of how this training event might have been misconstrued as an actual incident. We will conduct a thorough review of this incident.”

At the White House, spokesman Robert Gibbs said that officials had not been informed about the drill but that they had no objection. “We are all safer because of training exercises,” he said. “My only caution would be before we report things like this, checking would be good,” he said, criticizing CNN. As CNN continued to report what it described as a confrontation of some kind, several government agencies responded to questions by saying that it was only an exercise.

The CNN anchor Kyra Phillips said on the air that the network’s initial report arose from someone saying “bang, bang, bang” over a radio frequency monitored by the network’s police scanner.

“We did call the Coast Guard, and the Coast Guard said, ‘We don’t know what you’re talking about,’” Ms. Phillips said, according to The A.P. CNN went ahead with the account based on a reporter’s other sources, Ms. Phillips said.

A law enforcement official told The A.P. that federal agents rushed to the Potomac because the local F.B.I. office had not been notified about the exercise. But it was not immediately clear if the lack of notification could be described as an oversight, or whether the kind of exercise held in the river was so routine as not to call for advance notification.

On one of the bridges crossing the river, passersby seemed oblivious to the activity, involving four bright orange boats.

The Coast Guard vessels involved in the exercise were 25-footers carrying heavy machine guns among their weapons, so their appearance in the Potomac was dramatic in itself.

The brief disruption on Friday morning recalled an event earlier this year in New York City, when a presidential plane flew low over the city for a “photo opportunity,” stirring panic among people who recalled the toppling of the Twin Towers by hijacked jets on Sept. 11, 2001. But it was not immediately clear whether the Potomac incident reflected the kind of gross lack of communication that marked the flyover debacle and cost a White House official his job.

The Pentagon ceremony was timed to coincide almost to the minute that American Flight 77, which took off from Washington Dulles Airport, crashed into the Pentagon at 9:39 a.m.

For journalists and their critics, the mix-up on Friday could stir discussions and finger-pointing about the perils of listening too closely to police scanners and the rush to be first in this era of round-the-clock news.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/12/us/12potomac.html?partner=rss&emc=rss

Ret10Echo
09-11-2009, 18:54
The incident was all the rage on the local radio. The Vice Admiral was adamant about the fact that it was routine and that the people conducting the exercise were professionals and knew exactly what they were doing....

Setting aside the capabilities of the Coasties doing the work....I have to question the decision making process of the chain of command and what the thought process was that resulted in this being deemed an appropriate action.

Richard
09-11-2009, 19:00
USCG has a reputation to uphold - why they took Coney Island in WW2 and didn't lose a man. :rolleyes:

Richard's $.02 :munchin

Defender968
09-11-2009, 21:16
Setting aside the capabilities of the Coasties doing the work....I have to question the decision making process of the chain of command and what the thought process was that resulted in this being deemed an appropriate action.

If they were using actual blanks in their 240's I'd completely agree with you, that could and would cause panic, but this whole issue the best I can tell was caused by some idiot listening to a channel he didn't understand and when the coastie said bang, bang, bang, shots fired he reported it as fact without confirming his story. There was no reason for panic; this was simply a person who was out of his/her lane. Now should they have conducted said exercise around 0900 on Sep 11, probably not, but they shouldn't get hung out for a scare that the media caused IMO. The O-1 or E-6 in charge should probably get a stern lecture on his decision making process and that should be the end of it IMHO.

Just my .02

greenberetTFS
09-13-2009, 14:56
If they were using actual blanks in their 240's I'd completely agree with you, that could and would cause panic, but this whole issue the best I can tell was caused by some idiot listening to a channel he didn't understand and when the coastie said bang, bang, bang, shots fired he reported it as fact without confirming his story. There was no reason for panic; this was simply a person who was out of his/her lane. Now should they have conducted said exercise around 0900 on Sep 11, probably not, but they shouldn't get hung out for a scare that the media caused IMO. The O-1 or E-6 in charge should probably get a stern lecture on his decision making process and that should be the end of it IMHO.

Just my .02

This is typical of the reporting on the "Communist News Network"........ ;)

Big Teddy :munchin

Utah Bob
09-14-2009, 08:43
The goof was running the op on a non-encrypted channel where idiot reporters could hear it.

Ret10Echo
09-14-2009, 08:51
If they were using actual blanks in their 240's I'd completely agree with you, that could and would cause panic, but this whole issue the best I can tell was caused by some idiot listening to a channel he didn't understand and when the coastie said bang, bang, bang, shots fired he reported it as fact without confirming his story. There was no reason for panic; this was simply a person who was out of his/her lane. Now should they have conducted said exercise around 0900 on Sep 11, probably not, but they shouldn't get hung out for a scare that the media caused IMO. The O-1 or E-6 in charge should probably get a stern lecture on his decision making process and that should be the end of it IMHO.

Just my .02

What is a head scratcher is that if they were in fact working the event in an official capacity....that just doesn't seem to be the time to run some "training" regardless. The same set of circumstances the day before or even a few hours later is a non-event.

Lack of S.A.

mac117
09-14-2009, 08:56
Uncle Sam's Confused Group!

Ret10Echo
02-25-2010, 10:00
By EILEEN SULLIVAN
Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON (AP) - President Barack Obama's pick to lead the Coast Guard wants to make major cuts to the agency's counterterrorism mission over the next five years.

An internal memo from Vice Admiral Robert J. Papp Jr., Obama's nominee to become Coast Guard commandant, says that starting in 2012, he would slash funding for programs in the agency's homeland security plan, including patrols and training exercises.
The memo, marked "sensitive _ for internal Coast Guard use only," was obtained by The Associated Press.

Papp's outline is significant because it could mean major changes for the more than 200-year-old agency that took on substantial homeland security duties after Sept. 11, 2001. Obama's 2011 proposed budget cuts for the Coast Guard have already caused outrage from some lawmakers.

According to Papp's memo, he would scale back the Coast Guard's counterterrorism priorities in favor of running traditional search-and-rescue operations that save people in imminent danger on the water and maintaining the maritime transportation system.

In the memo, Papp said he wants to eliminate teams that are trained to respond to and prevent terror attacks. These teams also train other Coast Guard forces on counterterrorism operations.

Papp said the strike teams were created after Sept. 11 "to fill a perceived void in national counterterrorism response capability." He says in the memo that other federal agencies are better at this type of mission.

He also calls for cuts to the Coast Guard's largest homeland security operation, which patrols critical infrastructure and other sensitive security structures on or near waterways. And he would decrease the number of specialized units stationed in key coastal areas where an attack could be devastating.

Obama has already proposed closing five of the 12 specialized units in 2011.
"In view of the fiscal horizon, we must make bold and systematic strategic decisions," Papp wrote in the memo, dated Nov. 10, 2009. Obama announced his intention to nominate Papp on Dec. 22.

Coast Guard spokesman Ron LaBrec said the memo was written in response to a Coast Guard headquarters request to identify potential areas for budget cuts down the road. LaBrec said it is part of a department-wide review of homeland security missions leading to spending proposals for 2012. But he said the memo does not represent Papp's own preferences or priorities.

Tom Gavin, the spokesman for the administration's Office of Management and Budget, said the White House is not involved in the internal budget considerations for 2012.

Papp also wants to cut back on the number of ships doing daily counternarcotics operations in the Caribbean. Currently, about six ships carry out that mission daily, according to Papp's memo.

He wants to trim the number back to an average of 4 1/2 ships a day, while keeping the Coast Guard cutters that perform anti-narcotics operations in transit zones to respond to specific intelligence about drug trafficking.

"What I offered above is just a fraction of what is needed, and I'm prepared to go further," Papp wrote in the memo.

After reading the memo, Rep. Pete Olson, R-Texas, said Papp's proposals would gut an agency critical to national security. Olson said he is "pretty scared" that Papp is the administration's pick to run the Coast Guard.

Obama himself proposed cutting 1,100 active duty personnel this year _ a move that is meeting resistance from some Republicans and Democrats on Capitol Hill. Congress ultimately decides how federal agencies are funded.

"It's up to the Coast Guard to help protect our ports and our maritime industry, and it cannot do that without adequate funding," Sen. Frank Lautenberg, D-N.J., said in a statement.

Rep. Hal Rogers, R-Ky., said Obama's homeland security proposal is "dead on arrival." Rogers is the top Republican on the appropriations committee that overseas homeland security spending.

Responding to criticism about the proposed Coast Guard cuts in the 2011 budget, Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano said, "I think the Coast Guard is one of the most under-appreciated assets of this country."

The Coast Guard was transferred from the Transportation Department to the newly created Homeland Security Department in 2003. In times of war, the Coast Guard may be transferred to the Department of the Navy. It has 42,000 active-duty volunteers.

A date has not been set for Papp's Senate nomination hearing.

Razor
02-25-2010, 13:51
Papp also wants to cut back on the number of ships doing daily counternarcotics operations in the Caribbean. Currently, about six ships carry out that mission daily, according to Papp's memo.

He wants to trim the number back to an average of 4 1/2 ships a day, while keeping the Coast Guard cutters that perform anti-narcotics operations in transit zones to respond to specific intelligence about drug trafficking.

Boy, I'd hate to be assigned to a "half ship". Think of all the bailing duty.

Utah Bob
02-25-2010, 15:05
Boy, I'd hate to be assigned to a "half ship". Think of all the bailing duty.

Well, if it was the bottom half it would be okay. Kinda like a big steel canoe.

Razor
02-25-2010, 18:08
Well, if it was the bottom half it would be okay. Kinda like a big steel canoe.

That's assuming they divide it along the horizontal axis. :cool:

Pete
02-25-2010, 20:45
Now under Obama math....

".........An internal memo from Vice Admiral Robert J. Papp Jr., Obama's nominee to become Coast Guard commandant, says that starting in 2012, he would slash funding for programs in the agency's homeland security plan, including patrols and training exercises................."

Does this count as 40,000 jobs lost from DHS or 40,000 jobs saved in the military?

Richard
02-25-2010, 20:53
Another political masterpiece...kinda reminds me of...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txSLBtjw5K8

Richard's Jaded $.02 :munchin