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Utah Bob
08-15-2009, 06:28
According to USA today that's what you are if you defend yourself!:mad:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32426383/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts

NEW YORK - The sidewalk outside the Harlem store still was smeared with blood Friday, and the glass on the door still was blown out.

Above the entrance, someone had scribbled the words, "Abandon hope all ye who enter here."

Less than 24 hours after a deadly showdown at the shop worthy of a Clint Eastwood script, Charles "Gus" Augusto Jr. entered his store — oblivious of the inscription taken from Dante's "Inferno."

The 72-year-old wholesaler of commercial restaurant equipment had been up all night, questioned by police about how he'd drawn a shotgun and killed two of four armed robbery suspects who entered his Kaplan Brothers Blue Flame store Thursday afternoon.

Two of the young men died on the street. Two remained hospitalized in stable condition with gunshot wounds.

'Where's the money?'
When they walked in at about 3 p.m. and confronted Augusto with guns, "I didn't want to shoot them," he said, sitting bleary-eyed in his dusty, windowless warehouse, with a fly swatter hanging above his head.

He said the bandits drew their handguns, yelling, "Where's the money? Where's the money?"

They pistol-whipped a worker and waved a weapon at a cashier's face, he said.

"There is no money," Augusto said he told them. "Go home."

Stashed away nearby was the 12-gauge shotgun he bought decades ago and said he had never used since a test-fire. He reached for it when he sensed one of the men was about to shoot, and pulled the trigger once.

"I hoped after the first shot they would go away," he said.

When they didn't, continuing to menace his employees, he fired again, and again.

Police said one of the men collapsed and died outside the door, just feet from a Baptist church.

"He died in the hands of God," said a neighborhood resident, Vincent Gayle, pointing to the blood-spattered pavement by the church. "But what goes around comes around."

Trail of blood
Another fatally wounded suspect managed to cross the street, leaving a trail of blood before he collapsed. He was later pronounced dead at the hospital, police said.

More blood led police to the other two suspects, who were arrested and taken to the hospital. Charges against them were pending.

Police said Augusto didn't have a required permit for the weapon used in the headline-grabbing shooting the Daily News called a "Pump-Action Ending."

But he was a victim, police said, and no charges had been filed on Friday.

"I'd rather not have done it," Augusto said, "and I'm sad for those mothers who have no sons."

On Friday, pedestrians were still sidestepping pools of blood along Augusto's block on West 125th Street, a short walk from Bill Clinton's Harlem office.

Reactions to the shooting were mixed.

Frida Rodriguez called it "a sad day" for the neighborhood.

Augusto "was defending his work, his business, so you could perceive that as being heroic," she said. "But on the other hand, these kids died."

The shopkeeper was coy when asked whether, with his shotgun confiscated, he had a backup.

"I'm not going to tell you that," he said.

Pete
08-15-2009, 06:49
Nope - good citizen.

Too bad they took his shotgun - but it is NY.

abc_123
08-15-2009, 07:17
unbelieveable that anyone feels any sympathy for the scum that tried to rob that old man.

That man did a public service.-

Bill Harsey
08-15-2009, 07:35
If the armed robbers/thugs had killed the shop owner or employees, it probably wouldn't even be news.

The "kids" died because they made a series of very poor decisions.

I suppose society forced them to hold up the shop and the owner failed by not playing the correct submissive role.

longrange1947
08-15-2009, 07:43
MSNBC, what do you expect, they will always put an anti gun spin on everything.

More Shit Never Balanced Corporation. :munchin

Five-O
08-15-2009, 08:20
Mr Augusto Jr.....kudos. Another happy ending for an armed citizen. Think less about the animals that tried to rob and you terrorize your employee and more about how you get to go home that day.

Nothing says get the f#%& out of my store like a 12 guage.

Team Sergeant
08-15-2009, 09:14
Only the left-wing media could make the gun toting thugs look like the victims and the victim look like the criminal.

Mr Augusto, fine job and thank you for standing up for what is right.

Team Sergeant

TOMAHAWK9521
08-15-2009, 09:49
Police said one of the men collapsed and died outside the door, just feet from a Baptist church.

"He died in the hands of God," said a neighborhood resident"


I almost got choked-up when I read that part. Okay, not really. As for having died in the hands of God......I'll accept that on a technicality since he was pretty much back-handed by God into the next world. So yes, you could say he was touched by God's hands.

SF_BHT
08-15-2009, 09:52
It is great that none of his employees were hurt. He is a Hero to them and their familys.......

This was a Darwin experience for the Idiots that thought they could walk in and forcefully take what belongs to others.

We might need to send him some more ammo and a thank you note....

Utah Bob
08-15-2009, 10:34
Iiteresting that the article originally calling him "Elderly Vigilante" has now been updated and he is referred to as "Shopkeeper"
Got a few e-mails maybe?

armymom1228
08-15-2009, 10:36
Augusto "was defending his work, his business, so you could perceive that as being heroic," she said. "But on the other hand, these kids died."



Sad how? First mistake trying to rob someone, second mistake trying to rob a citizen who had the sense to exercise his second amendment rights.

I am truly suprised in Mr Bloomberg land that the poor man was not arrested.
Where do I send a thank you note and a new shotgun?

Utah Bob
08-15-2009, 11:43
I am truly suprised in Mr Bloomberg land that the poor man was not arrested.


Well, not yet anyway.

greenberetTFS
08-15-2009, 12:25
It is great that none of his employees were hurt. He is a Hero to them and their familys.......

This was a Darwin experience for the Idiots that thought they could walk in and forcefully take what belongs to others.

We might need to send him some more ammo and a thank you note....

Amen to that............;)

Big Teddy :munchin

bluebb
08-15-2009, 13:06
He needs some range time, only terminated 2 of them.

Just joking, good job Gus.

Blue

echoes
08-15-2009, 13:46
It is great that none of his employees were hurt. He is a Hero to them and their familys.......

This was a Darwin experience for the Idiots that thought they could walk in and forcefully take what belongs to others.

We might need to send him some more ammo and a thank you note....

VERY well said, Bryan!!!:lifter

Holly

armymom1228
08-15-2009, 14:04
He needs some range time, only terminated 2 of them.
Blue

Range time hel, he'd be downright scary after range time..

I mean:
Stashed away nearby was the 12-gauge shotgun he bought decades ago and said he had never used since a test-fire

If people like Bloombeg had his way..that shop owner would now be dead instead of the robbers.

Gus was not a vigilante. He did not go out looking to hunt down POS like that. He simply defended what was his against an armed attack. Pretty American thing to do in my book.

From what I am seeing being an American these days is Anti-American..go figger. :rolleyes:

BigJimCalhoun
08-15-2009, 14:53
It seems self-defense is an idea that is spreading, as is opposition to self-defense.


Clerk armed and ready for robbers, kills one
11:10 AM CDT on Saturday, August 15, 2009, By Jeremy Desel / 11 News

HOUSTON—Life can change in a second. It can also end. Cell phone store owner, Javid Iqbal saw both on Wednesday afternoon, in just 17 seconds. “It is a part of my life that I will have to remember all of the time,” Iqbal recalls.

It was amazingly fast. Security video released to 11 News showed Iqbal behind the elevated counter, when the would-be robbers rush the store. Two men with bandanas covering their faces, the leader gun in hand, vaulted over the case. But in the five seconds that it took, Iqbal was already around the corner in the back, gun in hand. “I see that guy come in the back pointing a gun. I just started shooting,” Iqbal says.

The two men were just inches apart, arms and guns extended. Iqbal fired three times, hitting 34-year-old Bryan Thorn. Both robbers tried to flee after shots were fired, the second (still unidentified) man made it out, but Thorn did not. He collapsed dead in the doorway.
Iqbal said he could only think about the three most important people in his life, “I was thinking about my family; my little girl, my wife, my father,” he said. All of them were within six feet of the shooting in the back of the store. “My little three-year-old girl was in the store playing on the computer. The first thing wasn’t mine. I have to save my family,” Iqbal said, recalling the 17 seconds he will never forget.

This isn’t the first time. This store’s prior owner back in 2005 was also the victim of multiple robberies. One of those resulted in a shootout, which was also captured on video. Not long after that, the owner-who was held up by three men and was not hurt- would sell this store to Iqbal. Iqbal went on to do great business; but not all for profit, sometimes it came at a price. In all he’s been robbed four times, but no suspects were ever caught.

That is why his wife forced him to buy a gun and learn how to use it.

“Four robberies? Now I am not going to go through that again. All this happens. I have to take a stand somewhere,” Iqbal says. The store is now open again after the shooting. His customers are standing with him.

“What if a stray bullet would have hit their daughter or hit his wife? Oh I’m sorry? For $20? Come on man,” said Carl English, who was in to pay his cell bill. [BJC- I wonder if he is referring to the criminals or the victim? I suspect he is referring to the victim here :mad:]

The store is still open, but Iqbal doesn’t know how long that will remain. He is now looking for a new, safer location. Iqbal said that being robbed four times in a little over a year is all that his family can take. They are planning to move on soon.

Gypsy
08-15-2009, 17:22
We might need to send him some more ammo and a thank you note....

He might need something to put that ammo in. ;)

Good job, Sir. Screw the perps.

BigJimCalhoun
08-17-2009, 08:02
And another - from the realgunguys blog.
http://therealgunguys.com/blog/2009/08/16/good-guys-2-bad-guys-0/


Victim Kills Would-Be Robber
By Elizabeth Braun, Melanie Stout
MILWAUKEE – A man was being robbed at gunpoint when he pulled out his own gun and shot one of the suspects.
It all happened early Thursday near 1st and Clarke. The 23-year-old Milwaukee man was in the area when two teenagers pulled out a gun and tried to rob him.

That victim also had a gun. He shot and killed one suspect, 17-year-old Kevin Ollie. Ollie’s gun also went off, and he accidentally shot the other teen robber.
The robbery victim’s family says he had no choice but to fight back.
That robbery victim has never been convicted of a crime and is not in custody.
The 19-year-old surviving robber is behind bars. The DA is deciding whether he will face felony murder charges for his role in the botched robbery.
The robbery victim’s family hopes that happens.

The robbery victim was not hurt during the ordeal. Friday detectives brought him to a line up to identify the robbery suspect.

A decision on charges against the 19-year-old surviving robber should come Monday.

Utah Bob
08-17-2009, 14:48
Ollie’s gun also went off, and he accidentally shot the other teen robber.

Best smile I've had all day.:D

TrapLine
08-17-2009, 19:23
Best smile I've had all day.:D

I thought the same thing:). Poetic justice has been served.