Britain To Put CCTV Cameras Inside Private Homes

[JJ_BPK]

Something to ponder,,

Who determines whom is in an antisocial family????

And it's only getting better,,, can you feel the change???

My $00.0002..



www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/08/britain-to-put-cctv-cameras-inside-private-homes/

Britain To Put CCTV Cameras Inside Private Homes, By Charlie Sorrel, August 3, 2009, 8:36 am


As an ex-Brit, I'm well aware of the authorities' love of surveillance and snooping, but even I, a pessimistic cynic, am amazed by the governments latest plan: to install Orwell's telescreens in 20,000 homes.

£400 million ($668 million) will be spend on installing and monitoring CCTV cameras in the homes of private citizens. Why? To make sure the kids are doing their homework, going to bed early and eating their vegetables. The scheme has, astonishingly, already been running in 2,000 family homes. The government's "children's secretary" Ed Balls is behind the plan, which is aimed at problem, antisocial families. The idea is that, if a child has a more stable home life, he or she will be less likely to stray into crime and drugs.

It gets worse. The government is also maintaining a private army, incredibly not called "Thought Police", which will "be sent round to carry out home checks," according to the Sunday Express.

And in a scheme which firmly cements the nation's reputation as a "nanny state", the kids and their families will be forced to sign "behavior contracts" which will "set out parents' duties to ensure children behave and do their homework."

And remember, this is the left-wing government. The Shadow Home Secretary Chris Grayling, batting for the conservatives, thinks these plans are "too little, and too late," implying that even more obtrusive work needs to be done. Rumors that a new detention center, named Room 101, is being constructed inside the Ministry of Love are unconfirmed.

Sin Bins for Worst Families [Sunday Express. Thanks, Annaliza]




Comments (11)
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a.. Posted by: rochmind | 08/3/09 | 9:10 am, I could think of better ways to spend 400 million euros than installing cctvs on people's homes. Aside from civil liberty and privacy issues, how would being watched constantly help and improve their situation? And who would view and judge these recordings? They should divert these funds to family and community programs that would help the troubled families.

b.. Posted by: mayssm | 08/3/09 | 9:45 am I thought this was a joke post at first. Seriously?? I'm shocked the brits haven't risen up and overthrown this government. V for Vendetta is coming
true quite a bit earlier than I expected. I thought it'd be another 20 years or so. Makes you wonder if these politicians watch things like "A Clockwork Orange" and say to themselves "wow, never thought of that. That's actually a good idea". Because they are just a stone's throw away from that crap over there right now.

c.. Posted by: nanotechnobot | 08/3/09 | 10:13 am Britain was never a free country. Just the illusion of beeing free.

d.. Posted by: JRosen | 08/3/09 | 10:24 am I'm in the US, and get pretty tired of all the crap that happens here. And just about the time I start to go 'maybe other places..' Then I see something like this and just realize how wide-spread idiocy really is in this world.

e.. Posted by: zav | 08/3/09 | 10:28 am JRosen, as a fellow US citizen, I have two of my friends who left for Bolivia and Hong Kong, then China during the Bush era. These are not mosquito hugging hippies, but 6 figure professionals. I've also looked outside the States and have found promising locations. I've still got a few more years in the "Jesus belt" but the long term plan is to leave and focus my efforts on where it can do some good for me, and the place I'm going. Keep looking. You'll find a place.

f.. Posted by: echlinm | 08/3/09 | 10:56 am This isn't April 1, or is it? There are so many things in this that indicate a full blown joke it's not funny. The 'children's secretary' name Ed 'Balls'? Are you sure this is real?

g.. Posted by: Nom1 | 08/3/09 | 11:46 am As a Brit this is a first - and yes he is Balls

h.. Posted by: ripvanwinkle | 08/3/09 | 11:53 am Wow, I didn't think this could be a real story either! Then I clicked the link in the story, takes you to some Brit news site, people's comments there are pretty much the same as here. The US is following pretty rapidly right behind the UK. Half the population is on welfare, now health care for the people too lazy to work, and for the illegals will be paid for by those of us with a little money and job. Revolution can't be far behind!

i.. Posted by: russ1 | 08/3/09 | 12:30 pm Sick! I already have moved overseas from the US due to government intervention in everything. No way I would be interested in the UK with this kind of garbage allowed. The public should be allowed to knock off the 'behavior police' as they feel appropriate! The minister's name should be changed from Balls to Nuts!

j.. Posted by: sub1ime14 | 08/3/09 | 12:36 pm How can this possibly be happening? Have we truly become complacent enough to allow our lives to be stripped like this?

k.. Posted by: muD | 08/3/09 | 12:58 pm As I understand it Great Britain has no constitution, just the laws passed by Parliament. No reason they couldn't just re-serf the population and be
done with it.


This goes from TIN Foil to Diamond Plate variety..

[dividebyzero]

Are wire cutters illegal in the UK?

Not only that, but I'm sure the UK could provide for 100% of its energy needs by harnessing the power of Eric Blair (nee George Orwell)'s rapidly rotating mortal remains.

[nmap]

No - this is not a jest. It does not come from the "Onion". Apparently, a matter of policy.

Belated thanks to George Washington.

LINK (http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/08/britain-to-put-cctv-cameras-inside-private-homes/)

As an ex-Brit, I’m well aware of the authorities’ love of surveillance and snooping, but even I, a pessimistic cynic, am amazed by the governments latest plan: to install Orwell’s telescreens in 20,000 homes.

£400 million ($668 million) will be spend on installing and monitoring CCTV cameras in the homes of private citizens. Why? To make sure the kids are doing their homework, going to bed early and eating their vegetables. The scheme has, astonishingly, already been running in 2,000 family homes. The government’s “children’s secretary” Ed Balls is behind the plan, which is aimed at problem, antisocial families. The idea is that, if a child has a more stable home life, he or she will be less likely to stray into crime and drugs.

It gets worse. The government is also maintaining a private army, incredibly not called “Thought Police”, which will “be sent round to carry out home checks,” according to the Sunday Express. And in a scheme which firmly cements the nation’s reputation as a “nanny state”, the kids and their families will be forced to sign “behavior contracts” which will “set out parents’ duties to ensure children behave and do their homework.”

And remember, this is the left-wing government. The Shadow Home Secretary Chris Grayling, batting for the conservatives, thinks these plans are “too little, and too late,” implying that even more obtrusive work needs to be done. Rumors that a new detention center, named Room 101, is being constructed inside the Ministry of Love are unconfirmed.

[charlietwo]

How do you even respond to this?

Thank God we have the 2nd Amendment. Our brothers in Britain are falling down the mountain.

[greenberetTFS]

How do you even respond to this?

Thank God we have the 2nd Amendment. Our brothers in Britain are falling down the mountain.

Absolutely, "Old Winnie" is rolling over in his grave right now...............:rolleyes:

Big Teddy :munchin

[HowardCohodas]

The source article with local comments. SIN BINS FOR WORST FAMILIES (http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/115736/Sin-bins-for-worst-families)


THOUSANDS of the worst families in England are to be put in “sin bins” in a bid to change their bad behaviour, Ed Balls announced yesterday.

The Children’s Secretary set out £400million plans to put 20,000 problem families under 24-hour CCTV super-vision in their own homes.

They will be monitored to ensure that children attend school, go to bed on time and eat proper meals.

Private security guards will also be sent round to carry out home checks, while parents will be given help to combat drug and alcohol addiction.

Around 2,000 families have gone through these Family Intervention Projects so far.

But ministers want to target 20,000 more in the next two years, with each costing between £5,000 and £20,000 – a potential total bill of £400million.

Ministers hope the move will reduce the number of youngsters who get drawn into crime because of their chaotic family lives, as portrayed in Channel 4 comedy drama Shameless.

Sin bin projects operate in half of council areas already but Mr Balls wants every local authority to fund them.

He said: “This is pretty tough and non-negotiable support for families to get to the root of the problem. There should be Family Intervention Projects in every local authority area because every area has families that need support.”

But Shadow Home Secretary Chris Grayling said: “This is all much too little, much too late.

“This Government has been in power for more than a decade during which time anti-social behaviour, family breakdown and problems like alcohol abuse and truancy have just got worse and worse.”

Mr Balls also said responsible parents who make sure their children behave in school will get new rights to complain about those who allow their children to disrupt lessons.

Pupils and their families will have to sign behaviour contracts known as Home School Agreements before the start of every year, which will set out parents’ duties to ensure children behave and do their homework.

The updated Youth Crime Action Plan also called for a crackdown on violent girl gangs as well as drug and alcohol abuse among young women.

But a decision to give ministers new powers to intervene with failing local authority Youth Offending Teams was criticised by council leaders.

Les Lawrence, of the Local Government Association, said they did “crucial” work and such intervention was “completely unnecessary”.

[Richard]

Kubrick's A Clockwork Orange come to life - :eek: :(

Richard's $.02 :munchin

[HowardCohodas]

Similar thread Britain To Put CCTV Cameras Inside Private Homes (http://www.professionalsoldiers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24376)

Merged the posts into the first one posted. Thanks - I missed that one.

Richard

[JJ_BPK]

Similar thread Britain To Put CCTV Cameras Inside Private Homes (http://www.professionalsoldiers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24376)

and posted 9 hours earlier..

[The Reaper]

Kubrick's A Clockwork Orange come to life - :eek: :(

Richard's $.02 :munchin

Or the movie "Saw".

TR

[Dozer523]

How do you even respond to this?

Thank God we have the 2nd Amendment. Our brothers in Britain are falling down the mountain. I feel safer because of the Fourth and Fifth Amendments.

[The Reaper]

I feel safer because of the Fourth and Fifth Amendments.

What is the guarantor of those Amendments?

TR

[FMF DOC]

Wow !!! Can't believe people aren't taken to the streets in protest....

[Sten]

What is the guarantor of those Amendments?

TR

All the men and woman sworn to protect them.

[HowardCohodas]

Wow !!! Can't believe people aren't taken to the streets in protest....

At the local level there seems to be some "official" resistance.

But a decision to give ministers new powers to intervene with failing local authority Youth Offending Teams was criticised by council leaders.

Les Lawrence, of the Local Government Association, said they did “crucial” work and such intervention was “completely unnecessary”.

[Dozer523]

What is the guarantor of those Amendments?

TR Article 2 Section 1
with a little help from the 12th Amendment

Are we going to start that again? :D
I will concede the 2nd Amendment helps too . . . a little.

[Team Sergeant]

How do you even respond to this?

Thank God we have the 2nd Amendment. Our brothers in Britain are falling down the mountain.

There's a difference between falling and "jumping".

The United States of America is currently following the same socialist path.

I have my own Amendment:

"When you come for my guns I will come for you."

Team Sergeant

[SF_BHT]

There's a difference between falling and "jumping".

The United States of America is currently following the same socialist path.

I have my own Amendment:

"When you come for my guns I will come for you."

Team Sergeant

Now that just sounds uninviting......:rolleyes: you should invite them in and give them a drink and a big hug......:eek:

After they have a drink shoot them.....:D

[Utah Bob]

So you're about to get cozy with your old lady. The lights are dimmed. The temperature's rising and suddenly you hear blaring out from the speaker mounted in your wall. ...."WELL. WELL, WELL! WOT'S ALL THIS THEN?"

Methinks something is rotten in Denmark.

[Richard]

You should invite them in and give them a drink and a big hug...after they have a drink shoot them...

B et al,

To those of us of Scots ancestry, such thinking is reminiscient of the Massacre of Glencoe in 1692 - a dark, blood-stained page in History when 38 unarmed members of Clan MacDonald were murdered by members of Clan Campbell. The slaughter of the host MacDonalds - who had provided shelter and food to their guests - at the hands of their Campbell guests on order of King William lll was a major affront to Scottish Law and Highland tradition - and such behavior is still on the books as treasonable and warranting of the death penalty.

Beware the lessons of History - for they live on in all our cultures in ways we can only attempt to understand. ;)

Richard's $.02 :munchin

[Gypsy]

:

After they have a drink shoot them.....:D


See, shooting them after is just a waste of good liquor... :munchin

[nmap]

Three things occur to me.

First, the cameras seem to confuse the line between public and private acts. There is a good chance that each of us has done something or other today that would not be appropriate in public. That might, in fact, be illegal to do in a public place. So - rhetorical question - what are the limits on what people can do in sight of the camera? Does the presence of a required camera transform an act in private into a public one?

Second, sabotage - more subtle than cutting wires - seems easy. A bright light or laser pointer aimed at the lens would work wonders.

Third, annoyance. Arrange something the viewer is likely to despise but that remains legal. Keep doing it, day after day, hour after hour. Endless reruns of such American classics as "Gilligan's Island" come to mind. Or perhaps Braveheart and The Patriot. ;)

For those interested in lasers, I offer a favorite link. LINK (http://www.amazing1.com/laser_pointers.htm)

[frostfire]

What is the guarantor of those Amendments?

TR

the second One

[Dozer523]

the second One oh. . .
So. . . some amendments are better then others?
Number two is ahead of (ergo, better then) my favorites, four and five?
It's been a while . . . (ya couldn't leave it alone, could ya? Frostfire.):rolleyes:

no cussin':p

[SF0]

Third, annoyance. Arrange something the viewer is likely to despise but that remains legal. Keep doing it, day after day, hour after hour. Endless reruns of such American classics as "Gilligan's Island" come to mind. Or perhaps Braveheart and The Patriot. ;)
LINK (http://www.amazing1.com/laser_pointers.htm)

Sounds like a fix for that would be a national TV channel, the only one allowed. You don't have to watch, but you can never turn it off. It'll have a video camera too. :p

[Richard]

More junk 'reality' TV shows - more reasons to avoid television.

Richard's $.02 :munchin

[Dozer523]

More junk 'reality' TV shows - more reasons to avoid television.

Richard's $.02 :munchin If they really want this to work then the watchers can't be gov employees (although this does look like it would naturally fall under the TSA in the USA). They'll just fall asleep. Have the broadcasts aired in other homes.
"Wot aare the Jones' doin' now? Ohhhh that's disgusting. Bot I do like that tarty Missus and that teenie . . . Wot will that gurl do next? Dad is a moron, how can he miss wot's going on?"