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Sdiver
07-13-2009, 07:58
Knew something was up when he named one of his kids as his successor.

Wonder if he'll try and take S. Korea with him?

:munchin

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jul/13/kim-jong-il-cancer

Kim Jong-il 'has pancreatic cancer'North Korean leader diagnosed with life-threatening illness, Seoul television channel reports


Kim Jong-il looked gaunt when he appeared at last week's memorial on the anniversary of his father's death. Photograph: Reuters TV

North Korea's "dear leader", Kim Jong-il, has life-threatening cancer, South Korean media claimed today, prompting fears for the country's long-term stability.

The reports came days after images appeared of the 67-year-old looking gaunt in a rare public appearance, increasing speculation that his health was worsening after a reported stroke last year.

Seoul's YTN television channel reported that Kim had been diagnosed with pancreatic cancer, citing unidentified intelligence officials in South Korea and China as saying the illness was threatening his life.

South Korea's National Intelligence Service said it could not confirm the report, and a unification ministry spokesman, Chun Hae-sung, told reporters he knew nothing of the claims. US officials contacted by Reuters were unable to comment.

Tensions on the peninsula have been running high in recent months, since the North's nuclear and missile tests, making the stability of the regime a more pressing issue than ever.

Analysts initially suggested Pyongyang was seeking to grab the Obama administration's attention and force the US to the negotiating table, but some now believe that it is more concerned with shoring up domestic support and ensuring a successful leadership transition.

Kim's youngest son, 25-year-old Kim Jong-un, is said to have been chosen as his heir, but North Korea has made no such announcement.

Today's report came a week after Kim attended an annual memorial for his late father, North Korea's founder Kim Il-sung. The appearance was only his second at a state event since his reported stroke last year.

While he looked thin and limped slightly, analysts said his attendance sent out the message that he was still in charge.

Daniel Pinkston, a senior analyst and expert on North Korea at the International Crisis Group, warned that Japanese media had floated many rumours about Kim's health. He pointed out that the subject was so sensitive that a specific diagnosis of illness seemed "a little odd", adding: "This kind of information would not be shared easily or casually."

The US National Cancer Institute puts the five-year survival rate for pancreatic cancer at 5.5%.

But Pinkston acknowledged Kim looked unwell. "It would explain a lot of things that may be going on internally: the rapidness of some of their actions over the past eight months or so, with the attempted satellite launch, nuclear test and missile tests," he said.

"Now they are going through things as if they have a plan or schedule."

Analysts say the leader's early death or incapacitation could complicate the transition of power to Kim Jong-un, who is thought to have the backing of Kim's brother-in-law ,Jang Song-thaek, effectively the country's second-in-command since a promotion to the National Defence Commission this spring.

Pinkston said the regime had planned for this transition.

"They have a playbook. Whether it works according to plan when Kim's not on the scene remains to be seen."

The Kim family, the military and other top officials have a personal stake in ensuring the regime survives.

But some experts believe a military takeover or factionalism, which could lead to the collapse of the state, are possible..

Even if Kim Jong-un takes and maintains control, few expect him to rule with the kind of authority his father had. Most analysts suggest he would be more of a figurehead or central arbitrator.

But Pinkston noted: "Twenty years ago, people were saying if Kim Il-sung died, the whole thing would collapse because Kim Jong-il did not have the abilities of his father."

Kim – celebrated in North Korea for accomplishments such as hitting 11 holes-in-one in the first round of golf he ever played – took power in 1994. But while he took over the military National Defence Commission and the Workers' party, he did not become president, instead naming his late father as "eternal leader".

In a separate development, senior Chinese and South Korean nuclear negotiators met today to discuss implementing a UN sanctions resolution against North Korea and resuming stalled six-party talks with the isolated communist nation. The Chinese deputy foreign minister, Wu Dawei, met a South Korean envoy, Wi Sung-lac, in Seoul.

rubberneck
07-13-2009, 08:03
life-threatening illness

With less than a 20% chance of surviving the first year and less than a 4% of making it to five years I would say that pancreatic is a little more than "life-threatening".

The Reaper
07-13-2009, 08:07
Too bad. So sad.

Where will he be interred, in case I ever happen to be passing by with a full bladder?

TR

SF_BHT
07-13-2009, 08:52
You would think with their Perfect Society he would have a better chance at making it through this NOT!!!!!!

Better luck with the replacement.......Dictator

Smokin Joe
07-13-2009, 09:39
Best news I've heard all week!

It couldn't have happened to a nicer individual.

Quartz_MJC
07-13-2009, 09:46
I hear Pancreatic Cancer is very painful. Couldn't happen to a nicer guy.

Red Flag 1
07-13-2009, 11:18
So is there a loss here?:confused:

He now looks like what he has been.....a piece of crap.....

RF 1

dr. mabuse
07-13-2009, 14:40
Had a friend pass away from that stuff. Had enough pain killers in him to stupefy a horse and he still hurt.

Kept a good sense of humor though. He deliberately held on so he could die on April Fool's Day. What a guy.

Utah Bob
07-13-2009, 14:41
Now what does anybody know about his heretofore unknown, virtually invisible bouncing boy. Chip off the old loony?

uboat509
07-13-2009, 15:46
As much I am not unhappy to see Kim go, I am a little concerned that this would be a chance for the hardliners to make a power grab. As it was, Kim was fairly weak compared to daddy and the hardliners grabbed some power. It is entirely possible that this time they will grab even more. Then again maybe not.

SFC W

The Reaper
07-13-2009, 15:49
As much I am not unhappy to see Kim go, I am a little concerned that this would be a chance for the hardliners to make a power grab. As it was, Kim was fairly weak compared to daddy and the hardliners grabbed some power. It is entirely possible that this time they will grab even more. Then again maybe not.

SFC W

Short of open war, how could it be worse?

TR

Richard
07-13-2009, 15:55
Just another chubby, ailing, benelovent monarch to deal with. :rolleyes:

Richard's $.02 :munchin

North Korea's Next Kim: Dad's Favorite, Kim Jong Un
Bill Powell, Time, 1 Jun 2009

In his memoir recounting the days he spent as Kim Jong Il's personal chef in Pyongyang, Kenji Fujimoto calls Kim Jong Un, the third son of the North Korea dictator, the "Prince." "When Jong Un shook hands with me," Fujimoto writes, "he stared at me with a vicious look. I cannot forget the look in the Prince's eyes: it's as if he was thinking, 'This guy is a despicable Japanese.'" Jong Un, Fujimoto also writes, is "a chip off the old block, a spitting image of his father in terms of face, body shape and personality."

For all those reasons, presumably, Kim Jong Un, thought to be 26 years old now, has apparently been designated, by his father and the upper echelons of Pyongyang's secretive Workers Party, as the one who will continue the dynastic regime in the North. He is indeed the Prince, destined to be the ruler of the country founded by his grandfather, Kim Il Sung.

Since last autumn, when Kim Jong Il suffered a stroke, the question of succession in North Korea has become paramount. Though Kim, according to intelligence reports, has resumed most of his duties, his own obvious frailty led even him, analysts believe, to begin preparing for the inevitable. Since becoming ill, as TIME revealed last month, Pyongyang has effectively been run by Kim Jong Il's brother-in-law, Chang Sung Taek, who is married to the dictator's younger sister, the sibling Kim is reportedly closest to. (The fluid, unpredictable nature of politics around the ruler can never be underestimated: in 2003, Kim, suspicious that Chang was building up a power base of his own, had him placed under house arrest for a year, relenting only after Kim's sister pleaded her husband's case.)

Now, according to North Korea watchers in Seoul, Chang has effectively taken the youngest Kim under his wing, acting as a sort of regent to the Prince. "He is the bridge from Kim Jong Il to Kim Jong Un," says Baek Seung Joo, who watches North Korea at the Korea Institute for Defense Analysis.

Little speaks more to what a freakishly closed society North Korea is than the scarcity of information about Jong Un, even among foreign intelligence agencies. Almost nothing was known about him until Fujimoto's book was published in 2003. Fujimoto is also the source for the only known photograph of Jong Un to circulate outside the North, a snapshot the chef took when the boy was about 11. He is the son of Kim Jong Il's third wife — reportedly his favorite — Ko Young Hee, a former dancer who died in 2004 from breast cancer. Ko was born in Japan but moved back to North Korea with her father in the 1960s.

In the 1990s Jong Un studied, as did one of his older brothers, at the International School of Berne, in Switzerland, using a pseudonym to hide his identity as a member of North Korea's ruling family. But several North Korea watchers in Seoul dispute that, and believe Jong Un has never been outside North Korea. From 2002 to 2007 he attended the Kim Il Sung military academy in Pyongyang. He's said to be about 5 ft. 9 in. (175 cm) tall, is overweight (nearly 200 lb., or 90 kg) and may suffer from diabetes, according to South Korean press reports.

Jong Un, according to Fujimoto's book, is his father's favorite in part because, more so than the two other male Kim offspring, he has a take-charge personality. Kim regards Jong Chul, Jong Un's older brother, as being "girlish." And their older half brother, Kim Jong Nam, appears to be a flake, having been detained and deported in Japan in 2001 after traveling on a phony passport and claiming he wanted to visit Disneyland. Jong Un, Fujimoto writes, is different. He and his brother Jong Chul enjoyed playing basketball — but after the games, Jong Chul would just say goodbye to their friends and leave. Jong Un would then gather up his teammates and, like a coach, analyze the game they just played: "You should have passed the ball to this guy, you should have shot it then." According to various, usually unsourced South Korean press reports since Fujimoto's book came out, Jong Un is said to be "ambitious" and a "take-no-prisoners" type — again, in contrast to his older brothers.

That he is also now North Korea's Kim-in-waiting has become apparent in the past month, analysts believe. In late April, he was named to the country's all-powerful National Defense Commission, a sign to North Korea analysts that he indeed is being groomed as his father's successor. There has been widespread speculation that uncertainty about a possible transition in the North is part of the reason for Pyongyang's recent, dramatic acts of defiance: a long-range rocket launch in early April, and last week's underground nuclear test and multiple missile launches. North Korea's politically powerful military is thought to have no interest in ever bargaining away the country's nuclear deterrent — the ultimate guarantee of the regime's security — and Jong Un's new posting on the Defense Commission may be a way for him to be educated on this issue, one East Asian intelligence analyst says.

The analyst adds that "that's just speculation, of course." As is pretty much everything when it comes to Kim Jong Il's favorite son, the "chip off the old block" apparently destined to pay the price of inheritance if he becomes leader of one of the world's most impoverished, insular and repressive regimes.

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1901758,00.html

Gypsy
07-13-2009, 16:39
What a painful way to go. I'm doing the happy dance.

OpForKorn
07-19-2009, 07:37
What's the possibility of Kim going out with a blaze of glory? Meaning attacking the south just for kicks.