http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KcCERZeWwI&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.infowars.com%2Ffbi-investigates-anti-government-gun-range%2F&feature=player_embedded
The main headline in this story should have been "Marijuana Drug Bust". But they had to insert 'anti-government, militia extremist's into the story'. Last time I checked, joining a shooting club or joining a gun range is not illegal.
Probably won't be long before we are required to have a background check and ID to use a gun range.....or all ranges are off limits to civilians.
My personal observation or amazement over the past several months since The One took office is the governments preoccupation with the so-called Anti-Government' labeling of any average Joe or Jane who believes in the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, Religion, Guns and the Government is out of step.
Welcome to the new Amerika comrades.
Did you watch the entire video news report? There were reasons the reporter was mentioning weapons, drugs, a felon's use of the range facilities, LEO concerns about a 'militia' connection which he then explained as having been referred to as such among the local community. :confused:
I can only guess the air interferes with sound and cause words to be heard differently in the land where you're currently living (according to your self-edited public profile - unless that's a false address you submitted). ;)
I wonder what the follow-up reports said about it all upon further investigation.
Richard's $.02 :munchin
Did you watch the entire video news report?
I wonder which Food Lion he shopped at? We need to know who is supporting the gun running terrorist scum with his food. What kind of car does he drive? Need to put that car dealer out of business.
So the scum bag used a local range for target practice? Should a private range require a background check on users? McKellars Lodge on Ft Bragg only requires some form of ID. Thousands of people shoot out there each year.
So the scum bag used a local range for target practice? Should a private range require a background check on users? McKellars Lodge on Ft Bragg only requires some form of ID. Thousands of people shoot out there each year.
In today's post-9/11 climate - should they? I don't know. We do it on teachers and substitutes - and they're only armed with words. :confused:
Richard
Peregrino
06-10-2009, 15:05
In today's post-9/11 climate - should they? I don't know. We do it on teachers and substitutes - and they're only armed with words. :confused:
Richard
The pen is mightier than the sword. :munchin Our country and liberties have suffered far more damage from words (ideas), than bullets. I'm at work so I can't see the video but I did catch a glimpse of the news report. What I saw was perfectly understandable. To the "sheeple" we're all whackos. It's up to us to protect ourselves from negative public perceptions. Ranges can be strange places. I occasionally shoot at a range that has a horrible reputation for "rabble rousing militia activities". I make a point of only going there for NRA sanctioned High Power matches (not Rambo enough to attract militia types). Unfortunately, I'm treading a fine line even knowing where the range is, let alone actually shooting there.
Did you watch the entire video news report? There were reasons the reporter was mentioning weapons, drugs, a felon's use of the range facilities, LEO concerns about a 'militia' connection which he then explained as having been referred to as such among the local community. :confused:
I can only guess the air interferes with sound and cause words to be heard differently in the land where you're currently living (according to your self-edited public profile - unless that's a false address you submitted). ;)
I wonder what the follow-up reports said about it all upon further investigation.
Richard's $.02 :munchin
I did, listen and I watched it again. We breath pretty much the same air here in Kansas as they do in your neck of the woods....but I don't always explain myself as well I should.
Wrap on the knuckles deserved for lack of explanation.
The man in question is a bad hombre and in violation of the law. My issue with that clip and it's portrayal is that may skew public perception of public and private Gun Ranges, which could lead to further restrictions and requirements in the present political climate most notably to Gun Dealers, Gun Owners, Shooting Ranges, Instructors and Schools.
I would also like to know what defines Anti-Government? I am in hopes it does not mean I or anyone else must agree with how the Government handles affairs and/or maintain our silence if we are discontent with the state of those affairs.
IMO - your generic angst and anger over the typical hyperbole of news reporting is not without reason - remember the motto of the newsroom editors - If it bleeds, it leads. The reporters know this so they hype up even the most mundane of reports to gain air time, exposure, self-gratification, a pay raise, and - if they're lucky - a chance to get out of hick town and into the big markets. :rolleyes:
I just don't let these jackasses get to me as much anymore - I think most people pretty much ignore most of their Geraldo-babble - and fear them far less than the sly deals being struck amongst our Congresscritters. ;)
Richard's $.02 :munchin
PS - glad to see you made it back from Oz in one piece. :D
Utah Bob
06-10-2009, 17:06
IMO - your generic angst and anger over the typical hyperbole of news reporting is not without reason - remember the motto of the newsroom editors - If it bleeds, it leads. The reporters know this so they hype up even the most mundane of reports to gain air time, exposure, self-gratification, a pay raise, and - if they're lucky - a chance to get out of hick town and into the big markets. :rolleyes:
I just don't let these jackasses get to me as much anymore - I think most people pretty much ignore most of their Geraldo-babble - and fear them far less than the sly deals being struck amongst our Congresscritters. ;)
Richard's $.02 :munchin
PS - glad to see you made it back from Oz in one piece. :D
Correct, the "news" media is a lot of sound and fury signifying nothing. It's all about ratings. It's unfortunate that so many use them as their sole source of information.
Their own worst enemies, perhaps. :confused:
Richard's $.02
New Border Fear: Militia Violence
Jessee McKinley and Malia Wollan, NYT, 27 Jun 2009
“Somebody just came in and shot my daughter and my husband!” the woman shouted to the 911 dispatcher. “They’re coming back in! They’re coming back in!”
Multiple gunshots are then heard on a tape of the call.
The woman, Gina Gonzalez, survived the attack after arming herself with her husband’s handgun, but both he and their 10-year-old daughter died.
The killings, last month, have terrified this small town near the Mexican border, in part because the authorities have now tied them to what they describe as a rogue group engaged in citizen border patrols.
The three people arrested in the crime include the leader of Minutemen American Defense, a Washington State-based offshoot of the Minutemen movement, in which citizens roam the border looking for people crossing into the country illegally. Former members describe the group’s leader, Shawna Forde, 41, as having anti-immigrant sentiments that are extreme, at times frightening, even to people accustomed to hard-line views on border policing.
The authorities say that the three suspects were after money and drugs that they intended to use to finance vigilantism, and that members of the group may have been involved in at least one other home invasion, in California.
“There was an anticipation that there would be a considerable amount of cash at this location,” said Sheriff Clarence Dupnik, since, he said, Ms. Gonzalez’s husband, Raul J. Flores, had previously been involved in narcotics trafficking, an assertion the family denies.
A Pima County public defender representing Ms. Forde had no comment on the case. Nor did lawyers for the other suspects, Jason E. Bush, 34, and Albert R. Gaxiola, 42. All three remain in custody, charged with first-degree murder, assault and burglary.
Merrill Metzger, who worked for the group for six months just as it was getting started in 2007, said Ms. Forde had often traveled from Washington to Arizona with weapons. In March, while stopping over at his home in Redding, Calif., she presented a plan for the group to undertake, Mr. Metzger, her half-brother, said in a telephone interview.
“She was sitting here talking about how she was going to start an underground militia and rob drug dealers,” he said.
Mr. Metzger quit the group, alarmed, he said, by a number of things, including Ms. Forde’s demand for extreme loyalty, right down to the choice of cuisine.
“I had to take an oath, and part of the oath was that I couldn’t eat Mexican food,” he said. “That’s when red flags went up all over for me. That seemed like prejudice.”
Another former member, Chuck Stonex, a retired independent contractor, said Ms. Forde had talked about buying a ranch near Arivaca and building a compound. He said that in October, he took an excursion with her into the desert north of here, where, wearing camouflage and carrying handguns and rifles, they searched for illegal immigrants.
“It’s just like hunting,” Mr. Stonex said, describing the tracking skills the group used. “If you’re going out hunting deer, you want to scout around and get an idea what their pattern is, what trails they use.”
Mr. Stonex said he treated one of the suspects, Mr. Bush, for a flesh wound the day of the attack on Ms. Gonzalez’s family. Ms. Gonzalez had presumably shot Mr. Bush in warding off the attackers, but, Mr. Stonex said, the wound did not raise his suspicions, because, he said, Ms. Forde offered what seemed a plausible explanation: “They’d been jumped by border bandits.”
“They were very relaxed, having casual, normal chitchat,” he recalled.
Small numbers of Americans have always viewed border patrolling as a patriotic duty, but the most recent incarnation — the Minutemen movement, which takes its name from citizen militias formed during the Revolutionary War — gained steam in 2005, when hundreds of volunteers flocked to border locations.
Their patrols initially drew praise from some political leaders, including Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger of California, but also raised concerns that the activities were thin veils for racism and xenophobia. Over time, the movement has also suffered from infighting, with some groups, like Ms. Forde’s, advocating increasingly confrontational tactics while others have simply monitored the border and reported illegal crossings to the authorities.
Since the killings here, members of some better-known groups involved with the movement have scrambled to disassociate themselves from Minutemen American Defense. Others had begun doing so well beforehand. The 750-member San Diego Minutemen, for instance, started warning people on its Web site in January to avoid Ms. Forde.
According to Ms. Gonzalez’s 911 call, the killers arrived shortly after midnight on May 30, dressed in uniforms resembling those of law enforcement personnel. They told the family that they were looking for a fugitive. Actually, the authorities say, the three suspects believed that Ms. Gonzalez’s husband, Mr. Flores, 29, was holding both drugs and money at their remote home.
Sheriff Dupnik has said there is ample drug activity between here and the border. The suggestion has angered the residents of Arivaca, a town of retirees, artists and working people about 50 miles south of Tucson. “This is a good town,” said Fern Loveall, 76. “It’s a good place to live, and it’s a good place to raise kids. What they’re saying about it isn’t true.”
Members of Mr. Flores’s family also denied that he had had any connection to the drug trade.
“He was a good guy,” said Gilbert Mungaray, his 80-year-old grandfather. “I know what happened, but I can’t imagine why.”
The family’s house was silent this week. An American flag hung on the porch, and three pink roses adorned the front door. Down a dirt road, at the local community center, a picture of Brisenia, the slain daughter of Mr. Flores and Ms. Gonzalez, had been placed in a frame with a small black ribbon affixed to it.
For the regulars at La Gitana Cantina, a friendly establishment with a mixed clientele of Anglos and Mexican-Americans, emotions have ranged from abject sorrow to rage.
“I’ve had people come into the bar and just put their heads in their hands, and all the sudden they’ve got tears pouring down their face,” said Karen Lippert, a bartender. She added that while Mr. Gaxiola was a local, the two other suspects were not.
“This is not us guys,” she said. “It’s the not the way us guys operate.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/27/us/27arizona.html?_r=1&partner=rss&emc=rss&pagewanted=print
Utah Bob
06-27-2009, 09:09
“This is not us guys,” she said. “It’s the not the way us guys operate.”:rolleyes:
“This is not us guys,” she said. “It’s not the way us guys operate.”
Right. :rolleyes:
Richard's $.02 :munchin
greenberetTFS
06-27-2009, 10:45
Right. :rolleyes:
Richard's $.02 :munchin
Excellent post,It's so reassuring knowing we have guys like him protecting us.........:rolleyes:
Big Teddy :munchin
The Reaper
06-28-2009, 08:03
About the impartial reporting I would expect from the Times.:rolleyes:
TR