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Warrior-Mentor
06-10-2009, 11:38
http://www.bartlesvillelive.com/news/national/story/Police-At-least-two-shot-inside-Holocaust-Museum/os5uYYhxC0-ykA2ltCpYWQ.cspx
WASHINGTON (AP) - Authorities say at least two people have been shot at the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington.
D.C. police spokeswoman Traci Hughes says a person walked into the museum with a rifle and shot a guard. Hughes says the shooter was also shot.
Hughes says the victims' conditions were not known. Both were being taken to a hospital.
U.S. Park Police gave slightly different information, saying three people had been shot.
Slantwire
06-10-2009, 11:57
WTOP is reporting one guard and the perp shot, with a third injured by glass.
Link (http://www.wtop.com/?nid=25&sid=1693510).
MARSOC0211
06-10-2009, 12:29
NBC News is reporting that the suspect in Wednesday's shooting at the Holocaust Museum in Washington, D.C. is James W. Von Brunn, an 89-year-old man with ties to white supremacist groups.
From his bio on the website Holy Western Empire:
In 1981 Von Brunn attempted to place the treasonous Federal Reserve Board of Governors under legal, non-violent, citizens arrest. He was tried in a Washington, D.C. Superior Court; convicted by a Negro jury, Jew/Negro attorneys, and sentenced to prison for eleven years by a Jew judge. A Jew/Negro/White Court of Appeals denied his appeal. He served 6.5 years in federal prison. He is now an artist and author and lives on Maryland's Eastern Shore.
In a recent blog post, Von Brunn wrote that Hitler's "worst mistake" was that "he didn't gas the Jews."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/10/james-w-von-brunn-holocau_n_213864.html
NBC News is reporting that the suspect in Wednesday's shooting at the Holocaust Museum in Washington, D.C. is James W. Von Brunn, an 89-year-old man with ties to white supremacist groups.
From his bio on the website Holy Western Empire:
In 1981 Von Brunn attempted to place the treasonous Federal Reserve Board of Governors under legal, non-violent, citizens arrest. He was tried in a Washington, D.C. Superior Court; convicted by a Negro jury, Jew/Negro attorneys, and sentenced to prison for eleven years by a Jew judge. A Jew/Negro/White Court of Appeals denied his appeal. He served 6.5 years in federal prison. (Read about von Brunn's "Federal Reserve Caper" HERE.) He is now an artist and author and lives on Maryland's Eastern Shore.
In a recent blog post, Von Brunn wrote that Hitler's "worst mistake" was that "he didn't gas the Jews."
Many thanks out to the Guard that was injured, protecting the patrons.
Holly:munchin
Sounds like just another one of those cultural things. ;)
Ain't nobody in this world got a patent on nuttiness - it's pandemic. :)
Richard's $.02 :munchin
greenberetTFS
06-10-2009, 12:56
Sounds like just another one of those cultural things.
Ain't nobody in this world got a patent on nuttiness - it's pandemic. :)
Richard's $.02
Richard,
You know,they say that there is no fool,like an old fool,and this damn fool makes their point....................:( 89 years old! He should be shot for this,that is if he doesn't die from his shot wound or of old age before his trial...........:mad:
GB TFS :munchin
Might be something else going on with the guy (besides the obvious) and he was trying to go out as a martyr by letting the LEOs do for him what he didn't have the cajones to do to himself - it happens. :confused:
Richard's $.02 :munchin
Basenshukai
06-10-2009, 13:34
It won't be long before this is turned into a gun-control issue.
Red Flag 1
06-10-2009, 13:35
Might be something else going on with the guy (besides the obvious) and he was trying to go out as a martyr by letting the LEOs do for him what he didn't have the cajones to do to himself - it happens. :confused:
Richard's $.02 :munchin
That was my thought as well. Suicide by cop for some reason, perhaps health related. Wonder where he got the weapon?
:munchin
RF 1
It won't be long before this is turned into a gun-control issue.
Of course it is being reported by Fox News that He was a former WWII Army PT Boat Captin....and in the same segment, a gun control question...this is just...:confused:
Holly:(
Utah Bob
06-10-2009, 14:04
This POS head case has apparently been a die hard neo-Nazi for years. Convicted of attempted kidnapping of Federal officials and jailed.
To bad he's still alive.
A disgrace to The Greatest Generation. But he's not the first.
Security Guard just passed away... RIP
It won't be long before this is turned into a gun-control issue.
I heard it mentioned three times already. How did a persone with his criminal record get a Gun. If he got it thru a loophole in existing Laws then expect new ones. Seeing his criminal record, it's hard to argue with that. But I doubt he purchased it legally.
Ol' Shep on Fox news was saying the DHS called it with angry vets.
On other fronts some are searching the WW II data base of 9 million names and having a hard time finding the perp's name in US forces. Then again as with all lists its only as good and the names that were entered.
burned_pretzel
06-10-2009, 15:16
I heard it mentioned three times already. How did a persone with his criminal record get a Gun. If he got it thru a loophole in existing Laws then expect new ones. Seeing his criminal record, it's hard to argue with that. But I doubt he purchased it legally.
It's sad that these people are taking somebody's death and using it to further their own political agenda.
Let's see, list of laws that didn't work here
Shooting someone? Yup.
Carrying a gun in a gun free zone? Yes sir
Obtaining weapon illegally to avoid background check? Most likely
Illegally transporting firearm through DC without lawful purpose? You bet
I'm sure there are more too. Obviously the thing to do is make more laws.:rolleyes:
Prayers for the guard's family.
It's sad that these people are taking somebody's death and using it to further their own political agenda.
FWIW - that's what politicians and bureaucrats do for a living - feast on the dead and ensure the dying are properly marinated so they can more easily dine upon their carcases stuffed full of political capital and opportunity when the time comes. :mad:
Wait until the "I told you so-and-so's" begin their inevitable cackling and feigned outrage posturing in front of the reporter's microphones and cameras this evening. :eek:
Richard's $.02 :munchin
Just for general info here is the link to the WW II data base.
http://aad.archives.gov/aad/series-list.jsp?cat=WR26
Found my dad's name in there.
burned_pretzel
06-10-2009, 15:43
FWIW - that's what politicians and bureaucrats do for a living - feast on the dead and ensure the dying are properly marinated so they can more easily dine upon their carcases stuffed full of political capital and opportunity when the time comes. :mad:
Wait until the "I told you so-and-so's" begin their inevitable cackling and feigned outrage posturing in front of the reporter's microphones and cameras this evening. :eek:
Richard's $.02 :munchin
That never fails to raise my blood pressure. For some reason, I can envision the Brady Campaign officials going "Please let it be an AR-15, please let it be an AR-15, please let it be an AR-15"
I guess mourning for the victim has been replaced by "how can we use this?:mad:"
Bio from his web-site.
Richard's $.02 :munchin
James W. von Brunn holds a BachSci Journalism degree from a mid-Western university where he was president of SAE and played varsity football.
During WWII he served as PT-Boat captain, Lt. USNR, receiving a Commendation and four battle stars. For twenty years he was an advertising executive and film-producer in New York City. He is a member of Mensa, the high-IQ society.
In 1981 Von Brunn attempted to place the treasonous Federal Reserve Board of Governors under legal, non-violent, citizens arrest. He was tried in a Washington, D.C. Superior Court; convicted by a Negro jury, Jew/Negro attorneys, and sentenced to prison for eleven years by a Jew judge. A Jew/Negro/White Court of Appeals denied his appeal. He served 6.5 years in federal prison. (Read about von Brunn's "Federal Reserve Caper" HERE.) He is now an artist and author and lives on Maryland's Eastern Shore.
It's sad that these people are taking somebody's death and using it to further their own political agenda.
Let's see, list of laws that didn't work here
Shooting someone? Yup.
Carrying a gun in a gun free zone? Yes sir
Obtaining weapon illegally to avoid background check? Most likely
Illegally transporting firearm through DC without lawful purpose? You bet
I'm sure there are more too. Obviously the thing to do is make more laws.:rolleyes:
Prayers for the guard's family.
List of Laws that didn't work.
1. Shooting someone? Yup.... Thats breaking the Law.
2. Carrying a gun in a gun free zone? Yes sir...Thats also breaking a Law.
3. Illegally transporting firearm through DC without lawful purpose? You bet...Breaking the Law again.
Just because people break the Law doesn't mean the Rule of Law doesn't work. It's illegal for me to punch a rude, selfish self centered person in the Face. Thats why I don't do it. See, it works in most cases.
rubberneck
06-10-2009, 17:00
It won't be long before this is turned into a gun-control issue.
RIP to the guard. At least one sheep dog was on duty today. AS to the gun control issue, it is shocking that a convicted felon could commit a gun crime in DC. They have the toughest laws in the land to prevent these things. No criminal in their right mind would dare break those laws.
Utah Bob
06-10-2009, 17:01
A relative stated that the family disowned him years ago because of his insane behavior.
FOX is reporting the rifle was a .22.
The dirtbag's condition was upgraded to serious from critical, unfortunately.
I don't know if anyone has yet confirmed his WWII service. Wouldn't surprise me if he stretched the truth somewhat.:rolleyes:
What the news lead should be is that Jack Kevorkian was unavailable; so this coward chooses assisted suicide by LEO. End of story.
He is a member of Mensa, the high-IQ society.
That's it,, we need a law to out-law smart folks...
They think to much... :confused::confused:
Causes headaches and bad ideas... :eek::rolleyes:
As we all know by now the Security Guard was pronouced dead at the ER. Tonight they just happen to on cable (National Geograhic) at 2100 hrs EDT a one hour on the "American Nazi's".
To his family, I pray for God's mighty hand to come down upon his family and wipe away there tears.
alright4u
06-11-2009, 04:34
Shep Smith on Fox made my blood boil.
Utah Bob
06-11-2009, 10:30
Shep Smith on Fox made my blood boil.
Yeah, me too!:mad:
Shep Smith on Fox made my blood boil.
Ole Shep has been slipping to the left for a few months now. Or is that "sipping" with the left?
AngelsSix
06-11-2009, 17:11
I missed it, what happened??
Ret10Echo
06-12-2009, 05:05
This touches on several threads that are currently on the board.
Rest in Peace to the slain guard.....
Right-wing backlash against Obama?
Following the fatal shooting of a guard at the Holocaust Museum in the US capital, the BBC's Kevin Connolly in Washington asks whether Barack Obama's election as president is provoking right-wing fringe groups to commit violent acts.
An elderly fanatic shoots dead a black security guard at the museum in Washington DC where America commemorates the Jews killed in Europe by the Nazis.
A week earlier, thousands of miles away in Wichita, Kansas, another lone gunman enters a crowded church and shoots dead Dr George Tiller, who ran a busy abortion clinic.
Within hours of the latest attack, blogs and social networking sites are buzzing with talk that the two incidents taken together confirm the rise of right-wing extremism in America.
On the left there is a strong belief that the attacks confirm a report prepared by the Department of Homeland Security earlier in the year which warned that the current political and economic circumstances in the US were creating a hothouse atmosphere within which right-wing extremism would flourish.
Those political circumstances, of course, include the election of America's first black President, Barack Obama - an event greeted with rage and horror on the extreme right.
'Rising tide'
When it was published, the Homeland Security report attracted scathing criticism from conservative politicians.
The Secretary for Homeland Security, Janet Napolitano, found herself on the defensive over an assertion in the report that returning military veterans were particularly attractive to far-right groups because of their experience with explosives and firearms.
So does that report look remarkably prescient in the light of the events of the last few weeks?
The Southern Poverty Law Centre, a civil-rights organisation in Montgomery, Alabama which tracks what it regards as far-right groups, is in no doubt.
A spokesman told the BBC: "There is a rising tide of right-wing domestic terrorism motivated by extreme anti-government sentiments. Although there's not a link they share a hatred of the US government and its policies."
But there is always a great danger in taking the facts - or the apparent facts - in a handful of cases and trying to weave them into a narrative about life in this vast, complex and diverse country.
It is true of course that the targets for the shooters in the two cases - the Holocaust Museum and a doctor who carried out abortions - were traditional targets of hatred for different elements of the extreme right.
Act of revenge
But let us not forget that the victims of violence here in the last two weeks also include a young soldier called Andy Long, who was shot dead outside an army recruiting office in Little Rock, Arkansas.
The alleged shooter in that case is a young man called Abdulhakim Muhammad, an American convert to Islam who was born Carlos Bledsoe in Memphis, Tennessee.
His apparent motive was a belief in jihadist violence against America as an act of revenge for what he saw as suffering inflicted on Muslims by the US.
That shooting too is about hatred in its own way but it does not sit comfortably as part of a trend about the rise of the right.
And there are other factors to consider too - not least the fact that 30,000 people a year die of gunshot wounds here in all sorts of circumstances.
James von Brunn, the man alleged to have murdered the guard at the Holocaust Museum, is a veteran of anti-Semitic and white supremacist causes.
He may, bizarrely, turn out to be more obsessed with Anne Frank than Barack Obama.
Like many Holocaust deniers, Mr von Brunn apparently disputed the truth of the story of Anne Frank, the Jewish teenager who remained in hiding with her family in Nazi-occupied Holland and who died in a concentration camp shortly after they were captured by the Germans.
The Holocaust Museum was about to stage a play in which Anne appears as a character. Might that have been the catalyst for this attack?
Mr von Brunn also carried a bizarre attack in the early 1980s when he tried to kidnap members of America's central bank, the Federal Reserve Board, in a protest at high interest rates.
When he was jailed, he blamed the "black/Jewish jury and the Jew judge". His hateful obsessions in other words flourished long before the world had heard of Barack Obama.
Potent cocktail
The election of the new president does not really work as an explanation in the Tiller case either.
The doctor could easily have died in 1993 - 15 years before Mr Obama came to power - when he was shot and seriously injured by an anti-abortion campaigner.
“ This is a country where the existence of extreme ideas on the fringes of mainstream life and the wide availability of firearms create a potent cocktail ”
Scott Roeder, the man alleged to have murdered Dr Tiller, did apparently share many views of the far-right fringe of American society.
But in a custody battle he was also described as a diagnosed schizophrenic who refused to take medicine to control the condition. Mental health issues often play a role here too.
The point of all this? Well, these murders did take place in Barack Obama's America where there does exist a right-wing fringe which is incensed at the idea that the US has chosen a black president.
But that does not explain the murder of Pte Andrew Long.
If there is a real unifying theme in all these sad deaths it is perhaps that this is a country where the existence of extreme ideas on the fringes of mainstream life and the wide availability of firearms create a potent cocktail.
In those circumstances there will always be dangerous individuals, sometimes deluded, sometimes fanatical, sometimes calculatingly cold-blooded, who will be ready to kill.
The election of Barack Obama may have intensified those circumstances, but it did not create them.
Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/americas/8096065.stm
Funny we have to go overseas to get a more "balanced" view.
Was viewing the ABC news last night with the wife. Lead story was on the DC shooting and right wing groups. Somehow they "forgot" to add in the Little Rock shooting to their list of shootings. Guess it didn't fit the template.
Somehow they "forgot" to add in the Little Rock shooting to their list of shootings. Guess it didn't fit the template.
The short-lived news cycle of the 24/7 and MSM crowd has moved on to greener pastures - the more fertile grounds of a shooting in our nation's capitol combined with resurgent anti-semitism - prime time stuff for the Oh-Em-Gee-ers glued to their TVs. :eek:
This morning they're on to the weather - damp people amid raging waters and fallen trees always looks good on the news - and makes it easy for announcers to sound both shocked and empathetic to the Earth's latest group of helpless victims. :rolleyes:
Richard's $.02 :munchin
It's all the fault of the conservative media. :rolleyes:
Richard's $.02 :munchin
The Big Hate
Paul Krugman, NYT, 11 Jun 2009
Back in April, there was a huge fuss over an internal report by the Department of Homeland Security warning that current conditions resemble those in the early 1990s — a time marked by an upsurge of right-wing extremism that culminated in the Oklahoma City bombing.
Conservatives were outraged. The chairman of the Republican National Committee denounced the report as an attempt to “segment out conservatives in this country who have a different philosophy or view from this administration” and label them as terrorists.
But with the murder of Dr. George Tiller by an anti-abortion fanatic, closely followed by a shooting by a white supremacist at the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum, the analysis looks prescient.
There is, however, one important thing that the D.H.S. report didn’t say: Today, as in the early years of the Clinton administration but to an even greater extent, right-wing extremism is being systematically fed by the conservative media and political establishment.
Now, for the most part, the likes of Fox News and the R.N.C. haven’t directly incited violence, despite Bill O’Reilly’s declarations that “some” called Dr. Tiller “Tiller the Baby Killer,” that he had “blood on his hands,” and that he was a “guy operating a death mill.” But they have gone out of their way to provide a platform for conspiracy theories and apocalyptic rhetoric, just as they did the last time a Democrat held the White House.
And at this point, whatever dividing line there was between mainstream conservatism and the black-helicopter crowd seems to have been virtually erased.
Exhibit A for the mainstreaming of right-wing extremism is Fox News’s new star, Glenn Beck. Here we have a network where, like it or not, millions of Americans get their news — and it gives daily airtime to a commentator who, among other things, warned viewers that the Federal Emergency Management Agency might be building concentration camps as part of the Obama administration’s “totalitarian” agenda (although he eventually conceded that nothing of the kind was happening).
But let’s not neglect the print news media. In the Bush years, The Washington Times became an important media player because it was widely regarded as the Bush administration’s house organ. Earlier this week, the newspaper saw fit to run an opinion piece declaring that President Obama “not only identifies with Muslims, but actually may still be one himself,” and that in any case he has “aligned himself” with the radical Muslim Brotherhood.
And then there’s Rush Limbaugh. His rants today aren’t very different from his rants in 1993. But he occupies a different position in the scheme of things. Remember, during the Bush years Mr. Limbaugh became very much a political insider. Indeed, according to a recent Gallup survey, 10 percent of Republicans now consider him the “main person who speaks for the Republican Party today,” putting him in a three-way tie with Dick Cheney and Newt Gingrich. So when Mr. Limbaugh peddles conspiracy theories — suggesting, for example, that fears over swine flu were being hyped “to get people to respond to government orders” — that’s a case of the conservative media establishment joining hands with the lunatic fringe.
It’s not surprising, then, that politicians are doing the same thing. The R.N.C. says that “the Democratic Party is dedicated to restructuring American society along socialist ideals.” And when Jon Voight, the actor, told the audience at a Republican fund-raiser this week that the president is a “false prophet” and that “we and we alone are the right frame of mind to free this nation from this Obama oppression,” Mitch McConnell, the Senate minority leader, thanked him, saying that he “really enjoyed” the remarks.
Credit where credit is due. Some figures in the conservative media have refused to go along with the big hate — people like Fox’s Shepard Smith and Catherine Herridge, who debunked the attacks on that Homeland Security report two months ago. But this doesn’t change the broad picture, which is that supposedly respectable news organizations and political figures are giving aid and comfort to dangerous extremism.
What will the consequences be? Nobody knows, of course, although the analysts at Homeland Security fretted that things may turn out even worse than in the 1990s — that thanks, in part, to the election of an African-American president, “the threat posed by lone wolves and small terrorist cells is more pronounced than in past years.”
And that’s a threat to take seriously. Yes, the worst terrorist attack in our history was perpetrated by a foreign conspiracy. But the second worst, the Oklahoma City bombing, was perpetrated by an all-American lunatic. Politicians and media organizations wind up such people at their, and our, peril
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/12/opinion/12krugman.html?em
Once again a talking (typing) potato head can only "get it right" by ignoring other incidents.
And I still wonder how anti-semitic fits in with the right wing since the right wing is the most supportive of Israel, as a whole, over the left wing.
The Rev Wright is anti-semitic and would seem to share a number of views with the DC shooter.
Holocaust Memorial shooting renews concern about military vets' ties to extremist violence
Experts say recent attacks back up the findings of a controversial Department of Homeland Security report.
By Patrik Jonsson | Staff writer of The Christian Science Monitor
from the June 12, 2009 edition
Atlanta - Three of the attackers in the recent spate of extremist violence across the United States, including Wednesday's shooting at the Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington, had military experience, adding credence to a much-criticized Department of Homeland Security report earlier this year warning of radicalization and indoctrination of former US soldiers.
"The overall report was very prescient," says Brian Levin, director of the Center for the Study of Hate and Extremism at California State University in San Bernardino. "The military prides itself with protecting the finest of American traditions, and what the hate movement does as a really disingenuous recruiting tool is try and present themselves as folks who are protecting the real America."
James Von Brunn, the Holocaust Museum attacker alleged to have killed a security guard, was a former PT boat captain who had argued he fought for the wrong side in World War II; Joshua Cartwright, who killed two Florida sheriff's deputies earlier this year in part because of his frustration over the election of a black president, was a National Guardsman; and Richard Poplawksi, who spent a short time in the Marine Corps, killed three Pittsburgh police officers in April. He had been a regular contributor to white supremacist web sites.
What's more, several of America's worst domestic terrorists have had military experience, including Timothy McVeigh, convicted and executed for the Oklahoma City bombing; Eric Rudolph, the Atlanta Olympics bomber who hid out in the Smoky Mountains for five years before being captured in 2003; and John Allen Mohammed, the Washington sniper.
A 2008 FBI counter-terrorism report said that 203 veterans had joined white supremacist groups in the last decade, 19 of whom had served in Iraq or Afghanistan.
What's more, the Department of Homeland Security report ("Right-wing Extremism: Current Economic and Political Climate Fueling Resurgence in Radicalization and Recruitment") warned that, though only a small number of military veterans join such groups, they often occupy new leadership positions in a white nationalist movement that had largely been defanged since its high point in the 1990s.
"Looking ahead ... the military training veterans bring to the movement and their potential to pass this training on to others can increase the ability of lone offenders to carry out violence from the movement's fringes," the report noted.
At the time of the DHS report's release, conservative politicians, media commentators, and veterans groups lambasted the report, calling it an insult to American veterans. DHS Secretary Janet Napolitano retracted the report, acknowledging poor wording in tying radical right-wing groups to the trend.
But as an internal law enforcement tool, the report hit the right notes, some veteran groups say today.
"We felt the report read in full accurately described the threat or susceptibility of returning vets to be recruited by any extremist group," says Ray Kelley, legislative director of AMVETS.
"I think a lot of Americans got removed from that intent and pulled into the political mention of right-wing groups," says Mr. Kelley. "But it's not that. It identified a susceptibility ... that young vets, when they came back, are disenfranchised because they are twice as likely to be unemployed as their civilian counterparts and they have stress issues that all too often go untreated."
Some of the recruitment has even been in the open. The National Alliance, a white separatist group, once bought a billboard outside a North Carolina Army base, urging veterans to join.
Former FBI agent Todd Letcher, who led the Eric Rudolph investigation, says the threat of "lone wolf" extremists with military backgrounds may be greater than the spectre of veterans leading a resurging white nationalist movement. [Editor's note: The original version misspelled Mr. Letcher's surname.]
"When you're talking about lone wolves, they're not joiners and they're not going to be part of a group, even if you try to recruit them," says Mr. Letcher. But he adds: "Training with respect to firearms, evasion and hiding tactics, all that is taught in the military. And is that something that's helpful for a particular cause, for a lone wolf or a group? Yes, it is."
"The DHS was spot on," says former Marine T.J. Leyden, author of "Skinhead Confessions." "There’s guys who may have had three tours over there and they’re now coming back to a country where the economic outlook isn’t very bright. Plus, you’ve been over there fighting for your country and now you can’t get a job because we won’t stop illegal immigration, and they’ll bail out the Jews but not the hardworking man in Detroit. Some of these kids are going to eat that up."
http://www.csmonitor.com/2009/0612/p05s01-usgn.html
I often wonder what the columnists would say if they were ever to realize the potential of the truly dangerous vets in this country who remain QPs even in their non-military lives. ;)
Richard's $.02 :munchin
I often wonder what the columnists would say if they were ever to realize the potential of the truly dangerous vets in this country who remain QPs even in their non-military lives. ;)
Richard's $.02 :munchin
Sir Richard, I would contend that they would react very much like Henny Penny... "The sky is falling, the sky is falling!". :D
Well, I guess now we have to spend tax dollars for a trial and to house this idjit!
FBI: Holocaust Museum suspect expected to survive
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090614/ap_on_re_us/us_holocaust_museum_shooting
Utah Bob
06-14-2009, 09:34
I often wonder what the columnists would say if they were ever to realize the potential of the truly dangerous vets in this country who remain QPs even in their non-military lives. ;)
Richard's $.02 :munchin
Not me. I'm a cupcake.;)
greenberetTFS
06-14-2009, 10:41
I often wonder what the columnists would say if they were ever to realize the potential of the truly dangerous vets in this country who remain QPs even in their non-military lives.
Richard's $.02
Richard,
I'm hanging in there with you,but for me now, all I can say is that my spirit is willing,but as the saying goes, the body is !!!! :( I'm just going to stay back home and assist the ladies. :rolleyes: What do they call those guys again, REMF's?.....;)
GB TFS :munchin
I'm just going to stay back home and assist the ladies. What do they call those guys again, REMF's?.....
The Rear Detachment Commander. ;)
Richard's $.02 :munchin
Looks like this POS is getting a short lived reprieve: No trial yet (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090615/ap_on_re_us/us_holocaust_museum_shooting) :mad:
At least his son seems on the level "Von Brunn's son has come out publicly against him, saying the shooting was unforgivable and he wished his father had died instead."
Man, 89, accused of Holocaust museum shooting dies
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D9D2EQ1G0&show_article=1
FILE - This undated file photo provided by the Talbot County, Md., Sheriff...
"WASHINGTON (AP) - The 89-year-old man accused of a deadly shooting at Washington's Holocaust museum died Wednesday in a prison hospital. At Butner federal prison in North Carolina, spokeswoman Denise Simmons announced that James von Brunn died shortly before 1 p.m. Wednesday.
Von Brunn's lawyer, A.J. Kramer, called the death "a sad end to a tragic situation," but declined further comment.
The elderly suspect had been awaiting trial for the killing of security guard Stephen T. Johns at the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum on June 10. Von Brunn had been wounded by return fire but survived.
Officials at the prison hospital had previously said chronic medical problems had complicated a psychiatric evaluation for the suspect, a white supremacist who prior to the shooting had written racist and anti-Semitic screeds on the Internet. .."
Ret10Echo
01-06-2010, 15:56
Man, 89, accused of Holocaust museum shooting dies
Well that saved some taxpayer dollars.
Unfortunate that the victim's families will not be able see the justice system work, but rest assured, ultimate justice has been dealt.