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What Box do you think I should check as a White Caucasian of northern European desent?
9) Please indicate the group or groups in which you would include yourself (check all that apply):
African American
Caribbean American
Caucasian Middle Eastern
Chinese
Korean
Japanese
Filipino
Vietnamese/Laotian/Cambodian
South Asian/Indian/Pakistani
Pacific Islander
Mexican American
Puerto Rican: Commonwealth
Puerto Rican: Mainland
Cuban American
Native American
Other Latino
Other
10) In what type of area were you raised?
11) In what country or US state were you raised?
9 - American
10 - Rural (farming/ranching)
11 - NorCal, USA
Richard's $.02 :munchin
What Box do you think I should check as a White Caucasian of northern European desent?
9) Please indicate the group or groups in which you would include yourself (check all that apply):
Since it asks you which you would like to include yourself, you could just check them all and really confuse them.
:D
Yes, it's absurd and since those things are normally voluntary answers I almost never fill them out.
I once filled out an application that contained a demographics form that contained so many hyphenated "American - this, that and the other"... I checked the "other" box. When I was asked why I didn't check the Caucasion box, I answered with "My family does not come from the Caucus Mountain area and you don't have Caucus-American". The woman looked at me like I was "touched" and told me she didn't understand. I told her that I found the form offensive since everyone else got a hyphen and white's (er, Caucasion) didn't. She asked me, "What "other" are you then?". I stated, "I am Irish-German-American. If you had had just the word "American" on the form, I would have checked that".
I did it to prove a point that no matter how "politically correct" people think these forms are....they aren't! Personally, I really didn't give two s&$ts about it or whether I got the job (which I did). LOL :D :lifter
If the "other" box was followed by a write in space I would check it and write Nordic-American.
I check other and I write in Texan.....
BigJimCalhoun
06-05-2009, 07:07
White kid from Zimbabwe tries the African-American thing
http://www.1010wins.com/pages/4374417.php?
White kid from South Africa does the same thing
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=36764
Kyobanim
06-05-2009, 07:11
You can really mess with them and write in "Human" or Meat Popcicle.
Aren't we all ancestrally African-American according to the Mitochondrial Eve results of the human genome mapping project. If everyone began checking that block, that would really confuse the sociological bean-counters. ;)
Richard's $.02 :munchin
Snaquebite
06-05-2009, 09:06
Ok. What's
Puerto Rican - Commonwealth
vs
Puerto Rican - Mainland ( Is this like Puerto Rican-American?
and where are
African Canadians
African English
African Germans
African Puerto Ricans
African Mexicans
African Swedish
African Italians
African Polish
.........................................etc etc
We have two guys at work that love messing with people when it comes to those "boxes".
The first, a White guy, born in South Africa, always checks "African American". He always gets looks from people that say "You're not black. How could you check this box?" Then he goes into how he was born in South Africa and according to their "box", he is an African American.
The other, a Black guy, was born in Jamaica and NOT in Africa. He always checks the "other" box and has to explain to people how he was born in Jamaica and is proud to be from there and is proud to be in America.
armymom1228
06-05-2009, 09:34
Ok. What's
Pueto Rican - Commonwealth
vs
Puerto Rican - Mainland ( Is this like Puerto Rican-American?
and where are
African Canadians
African English
African Germans
African Puerto Ricans
African Mexicans
African Swedish
African Italians
African Polish
.........................................etc etc
I always want to write in "Celtic-American" . Heck if the AA's can say they are of African decent why can I not honor my Scots/Welsh/English origins. All this stuff irritates me to death. Why can we all not be simply AMERICANS??? After my family being here for 14 or is it 15 generations.. I am nothing more than an American and happy to be so. :lifter
Then again my granddaughter is Celtic/Morrocan/Japanese/Cherokee American.. where does it end?
About "Hyphenated Americans" as per Teddy R.
http://home.comcast.net/~nhprman/trhyphenated.htm
Ok. What's
Puerto Rican - Commonwealth
vs
Puerto Rican - Mainland ( Is this like Puerto Rican-American?
and where are
African Canadians
African English
African Germans
African Puerto Ricans
African Mexicans
African Swedish
African Italians
African Polish
.........................................etc etc
Puerto Rican - Commonwealth (Those that can not swim or afford a ticket to NYC
Puerto Rican - Mainland (Those that claim to be Puerto Rican but have never been outside of NYC and never seen a Coconut tree)
:p:eek::D
mojaveman
06-05-2009, 13:19
How about the ancient tribe that your ancestors came from?
Celt-Ireland, Switzerland
Saxon-Germany
Slav-Poland
Ret10Echo
06-05-2009, 13:22
How about what ancient tribe that your ancestors came from?
Celt-Switzerland, Ireland
Saxon-Germany
Slav-Poland
Or go back even further :
Caucasian Middle Eastern
9. Their worst nightmare.
10. An area of freedom loving people.
11. The state of common sense.
charlietwo
06-05-2009, 14:53
Have you considered Ninja-Pirate?
About "Hyphenated Americans" as per Teddy R.
With respect, I would point out that Theodore Roosevelt's views on nationalism were somewhat different than his views on race and racial difference.
The speech in the link is primarily about the former. In it, he stated his belief that Americans who behave in a manner which demonstrates allegiance to the lands of their ancestry "plays a thoroughly mischievous part in the life of our body politic."
Yes, in that speech Roosevelt did call "for the elimination of race and religious prejudice. We must stand for a reign of equal justice to both big and small." However, that statement should be considered in the context of Roosevelt's views on race and racial difference.
What were those views? In a lecture on the Spanish American War, Stephen Ambrose provided some insight. Ambrose told his students about how Roosevelt was offered the opportunity to lead the charge of San Juan Hill with his Rough Riders. According to Ambrose, Roosevelt eyed the hill and its defenses, looked around and saw elements of the 10th Cavalry, and said "Let those [expletive deleted] do it."
Later, as president, Roosevelt remained consistent in his views of racial difference. In a speech on Lincoln delivered on 13 February 2005 (source is here (http://www.theodore-roosevelt.com/trlatrp.html)), Roosevelt said "[o]ur effort should be to secure to each man, whatever his color, equality of opportunity, equality of treatment before the law."
Roosevelt's calls for equality were based upon established notions of racial hierarchies.
The problem is so to adjust the relations between two races of different ethnic type that the rights of neither be abridged nor jeoparded; that the backward race be trained so that it may enter into the possession of true freedom while the forward race is enabled to preserve unharmed the high civilization wrought out by its forefathers.
This is to say that the "backward race" (blacks) can be taught to act like the "forward race" (whites) while remaining inherently backward. (He led off the speech talking about the immutability of human nature. "Human nature will not change.")
Later that same year, as Roosevelt marshaled his resources to negotiate an end to the Russo-Japanese War, he wrote of his hopes for a peace "on terms which will not mean the creation of either a yellow peril or a Slav peril."*
When push came to shove, Roosevelt's nationalism was trumped by his views on racial difference and then his political instincts. Thus, while he invited Booker T. Washington to the White House, he did not extend an invitation to W.E.B. Du Bois. While he decried California's enactment of discriminatory legislation against Asians, he ultimately convinced Japan to limit the migration of her nationals to California.
Later, as the candidate for the Bull Moose Party, Roosevelt refused to address the ongoing crisis in race relations between whites and blacks. For that reason, W.E.B. Du Bois thought it better to support Woodrow Wilson (source is here (http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/45a/298.html)).
It was Wilson who, having almost as many reasons to intervene in World War I on Germany's behalf as on England's, used the power of the federal government and in partnership of what we today call the MSM to send a clear message to Americans of German descent to accept as truth the propaganda that the "Hun" was antithetical to the values of Western Civilization and responsible for the Great War. That line of reasoning sure paid off.:rolleyes:
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* As quoted in Thomas G. Paterson, J. Garry Clifford, and Kenneth J. Hagan, American Foreign Policy: A History / since 1900, second ed. (Lexington, MA: D.C. Heath and Company, 1983) 239. The passage itself comes from Elting E. Morison, ed. The Letters of Theodore Roosevelt, 8 vols. (Cambridge: Harvard University Press, 1951-1954), vol. IV, p. 761.
It was Wilson who, having almost as many reasons to intervene in World War I on Germany's behalf as on England's, used the power of the federal government and in partnership of what we today call the MSM to send a clear message to Americans of German descent to accept as truth the propaganda that the "Hun" was antithetical to the values of Western Civilization and responsible for the Great War.
Interesting comment. I heard a statement last night that indicated Goebel made the remark that he learned the bulk of his propaganda techniques from the Wilson Administration. Would you say that was an accurate statement? (i.e. Did Goebel make that remark and do you believe he meant it?)
9) Carbon-based unit (Since I was born in the U.S., I could claim "native American", I suppose. Or I might claim to be Icenian, and start complaining about Roman genocide and the need for reparations. ;) )
10) Unremarkable
11) Free state of Bexar
(Now actually, the court system in Bexar county, Texas is rather unusual - so much so, that some LEO's refer to it as the "free state of Bexar". So there's something of an inside joke.
Interesting comment. I heard a statement last night that indicated Goebel made the remark that he learned the bulk of his propaganda techniques from the Wilson Administration. Would you say that was an accurate statement? (i.e. Did Goebel make that remark and do you believe he meant it?)
I am not aware of the specific comment by Goebbels regarding being influenced by Wilson.
From my understanding of propaganda, its development, and its uses, I would argue that the primary differences between American propaganda during World War I and that of the Nazi dictatorship were the message and the modulation of that message.
American propaganda focused on the superiority of America's ideals. Nazi propaganda focused on the superiority of the Aryan race.
American propaganda was consistent in tone. Nazi propaganda was modulated carefully depending upon the audience so that, for example, German industrialists could, if they wished, focus on the economic aspects the party's agenda while turning a blind eye to what, at least in my view, was obvious.
One vision portrayed a world safe for democracy. The other portrayed a world destroyed. One saw a war to end all wars. The other saw a war to end everything. Arcadia versus Niflheim.
With regard to propaganda, the roots go deeper - quite a lot deeper, IMO.
Please consider the text Propaganda (Paperback), by Edward Bernays (Author). It traces the developments in advertising and propaganda, and draws some interesting parallels. It was originally published in 1928 - and it is still insightful.
Through this lens, there is not so great a difference in underlying technique between selling Nazism (or other isms) and selling a new brand of mouthwash.
BoyScout
06-05-2009, 17:44
My wife's family is from Haiti and when we first had our girl we were surprised by how fair she was. She can pass as a white kid as easily as my brother's kids. When my in-laws took our girl out to a restaurant the waitress kept making trips to see this white kid with an older black couple, finally one of them just said "The dad is white." There has a time when my wife and I lost our kid at a museum and she went to a worker there, he had the people there looking for her. They brought us a dark skinned black girl who was lost. I then showed him my photo of my kid and at that time she bounced right in front of us. We caught her and let them find her parents.
BigJim, Charlize Theron and Tracy Morgan did a bit on SNL about African Americans. It was as funny as the story you posted unfortunately.
Dragbag036
06-06-2009, 09:08
I find it ridiculous that we have to still separate ourselves based on what kind of American we are. I check "other" and put American in capital letters in the space provided. I have two boys, one is adopted from my spouse, who I have given my last name, he is German, my other son is what the Germans call a modern day mischling, as his mother is German, and I am a darker skinned AMERICAN. I have also taught my boys to check "other" and American. It is a shame that the teachers at schools tell them to check a race, which my son then checks all that apply, which confuses the hell out of them. He is told that he will get better chances based on what he checks. We have taught our boys that they should get whatever they deserve based on the work that is put in. Until everyone stops "I'm the first African-American this, I'm the First Jewish-American that", we will never grow out of the B-llsh-t. And yes from a comment earlier, I seldom ask people have they ever been to the Caucuses? The answer is many times NO.
I think John Wayne said it the best in regards to what to check.
For me this is a must listen. A lot of people would benefit form his advice.
I have it on his CD and my Ipod and when I get upset about all this Hyphenated Country Politically Correctness....... I listen to it and get back into my happy Place.
Take the 2.5 min and listen..
http://clipmarks.com/clipmark/9608E30C-0073-4073-846D-DF71C37DDB7F/
or
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbOIg1Wy9Zo
Just my 2 cents...
BigJimCalhoun
06-06-2009, 12:54
Thank you for posting that video. John Wayne rocks. That talk from him as to be from the 70's sometime.
I need to get a John Wayne poster from my cube at work.
SF BHT:
A truely thoughtful site.
Another one of my heroes had something similar to say, albeit a few years earlier than John Wayne. The sentiment is the same.
The following is a portion of his speech:
Hyphenated Americanism" Speech - Excerpts
Former President Theodore Roosevelt, October 12, 1915, in an address to the Knights of Columbus, Carnegie Hall, NYC.
"There is no room in this country for hyphenated Americanism. When I refer to hyphenated Americans, I do not refer to naturalized Americans. Some of the very best Americans I have ever known were naturalized Americans, Americans born abroad. But a hyphenated American is not an American at all. This is just as true of the man who puts "native" before the hyphen as of the man who puts German or Irish or English or French before the hyphen. Americanism is a matter of the spirit and of the soul. Our allegiance must be purely to the United States. We must unsparingly condemn any man who holds any other allegiance. But if he is heartily and singly loyal to this Republic, then no matter where he was born, he is just as good an American as any one else.
The one absolutely certain way of bringing this nation to ruin, of preventing all possibility of its continuing to be a nation at all, would be to permit it to become a tangle of squabbling nationalities, an intricate knot of German-Americans, Irish-Americans, English-Americans, French-Americans, Scandinavian-Americans or Italian-Americans, each preserving its separate nationality, each at heart feeling more sympathy with Europeans of that nationality, than with the other citizens of the American Republic. The men who do not become Americans and nothing else are hyphenated Americans; and there ought to be no room for them in this country. The man who calls himself an American citizen and who yet shows by his actions that he is primarily the citizen of a foreign land, plays a thoroughly mischievous part in the life of our body politic. He has no place here; and the sooner he returns to the land to which he feels his real heart-allegiance, the better it will be for every good American. There is no such thing as a hyphenated American who is a good American. The only man who is a good American is the man who is an American and nothing else.
For an American citizen to vote as a German-American, an Irish-American, or an English-American, is to be a traitor to American institutions; and those hyphenated Americans who terrorize American politicians by threats of the foreign vote are engaged in treason to the American Republic.
Have you considered Ninja-Pirate?
You can be BOTH???
Dang, all these years I thought that I had to pick between the two!:D
GratefulCitizen
06-06-2009, 20:04
I'd check "other" and refer to my race as Noahic.
It is my understanding that many insist their heritage comes from somewhere else on the boat.
theIliad
07-02-2009, 07:47
I check other and I write in Texan.....
You, of all people, should write in "whiner". You're a sad excuse for a Texan if there ever was one.
You, of all people, should write in "whiner". You're a sad excuse for a Texan if there ever was one.
WTF are you? Do you know me?
You, of all people, should write in "whiner". You're a sad excuse for a Texan if there ever was one.
4 posts, most of them snarky, and no intro.
So you're somebody special?
Blitzzz (RIP)
07-02-2009, 09:19
a POS is a POS. Pissing on whiners is pretty impressive stuff that, but maybe another site, say with more Mall Ninjas. Blitzzz
NousDefionsDoc
07-02-2009, 09:25
"yankee"
The Iliad needs an IP correction
armymom1228
07-02-2009, 09:53
"yankee"
I am so sorry for your condition...let me make this position very very clear... we here in the South fully support the handicapped. Any and all help you need getting over that condition we stand read and willing to help... :D:D:D Of course beer and NASCAR might be involvld in the cure........
I still think there should be a boxes for both Celtic American, Cajun and Geechee.
Loadsmasher
07-02-2009, 10:27
4 posts, most of them snarky, and no intro.
So you're somebody special?
All his snarky posts are directed at CSquare. I think somebody has a crush.
Team Sergeant
07-02-2009, 10:28
WTF are you? Do you know me?
Seems you have a stalker, I hope she's cute.....;)
Seems you have a stalker, I hope she's cute.....;)
Iliad huh - I'd be nervous of someone from that culture stalking my a$$. :rolleyes:
Richard's $.02 :munchin
The Reaper
07-02-2009, 10:48
All his snarky posts are directed at CSquare. I think somebody has a crush.
I agree. That is the only time he seems to post.
And he seems to have skipped that whole pesky introduction and vetting thing.
Hmm.:munchin
TR
greenberetTFS
07-02-2009, 11:27
I think John Wayne said it the best in regards to what to check.
For me this is a must listen. A lot of people would benefit form his advice.
I have it on his CD and my Ipod and when I get upset about all this Hyphenated Country Politically Correctness....... I listen to it and get back into my happy Place.
Take the 2.5 min and listen..
http://clipmarks.com/clipmark/9608E30C-0073-4073-846D-DF71C37DDB7F/
or
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbOIg1Wy9Zo
Just my 2 cents...
Terrific posts, Bryan........:lifter
Big Teddy :munchin
ZonieDiver
07-02-2009, 12:23
A long-ago high school administrator for whom I worked once added this gem to the instructions for filling out some standardized test's heading:
"Race or ethnicity not discovered or invented yet."
You, of all people, should write in "whiner". You're a sad excuse for a Texan if there ever was one.
Hay Knuckle Dragger.....
1st Post your intro like you are supposed to.
2nd If you are SF Request to get vetted.
Are you now capable of following simple directions?:munchin
greenberetTFS
07-02-2009, 12:41
Illad, you are an a$$hole.........:rolleyes: You just drop into our forum,say your $hit and then run away without any balls at all to give us any indication of who you are...:( If your with the 10th it's hard to believe it,all the guys I know who have or are in the 10th have filled out their profile.......:confused:
Big Teddy :munchin
Team Sergeant
07-02-2009, 12:59
We're fairly certain "theIliad" is a punk kid and not an SF soldier.
We'll (the admins) handle "theIliad". ;)
TS
Plutarch
07-02-2009, 21:47
My ancestors are all from Scotland and Ulster so I check other and write in ' Atlantic Islander '.
219seminole
07-02-2009, 22:13
As an employee of the Commonwealth of Virginia I am "Caucasian (includes Arabian)".