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Macgregor
05-12-2009, 21:11
For those of you that saw it, what did you think of the result of the last episode Green Berets Vs. Spetsnaz?
I personally thought the expert analysis was laughable.
http://www.spike.com/show/31082
I don't watch the show but I did tune in to the end of it because of some calls I got from friends.
The narrator and the way they do it just kind of screams airsoft to me.
That and the large amount of misinformation on the show, well I guess it is just for entertainment value.
Moving Target
05-12-2009, 21:22
It was crap, but what would you expect from the same channel that brought us "Manswers".
I feel dumber for watching it.
uboat509
05-12-2009, 21:23
It couldn't have cheesier if they had tried.
SFC W
Macgregor
05-12-2009, 21:27
I personally, am still trying to figure out why they picked the makarov over the m9.
The m9 is far from my favorite handgun but I would take it over the makarov any day.
That makarov holster was pretty neat though, is that something new?
TheLion03
05-12-2009, 21:29
This show was beyond ridiculous. Through the previews I thought they had a chance at making it worthwhile, but alas they did not. I noticed how the Russians and their tools mixed with spinning flip kicks into double taps seemed like SPIKE TV brought them right out of a James Bond film. I am starting to think that SPIKE is part of the Liberal news media conglomerate.
BoyScout
05-12-2009, 21:45
I personally, am still trying to figure out why they picked the makarov over the m9.
The m9 is far from my favorite handgun but I would take it over the makarov any day.
That makarov holster was pretty neat though, is that something new?
They chose the makarov because the American did not kill all the targets plain and simple. Usually the show is more scientific, which ain't saying much really, but they went with gear and gadgets when skill is the factor in tests.
[....]but they went with gear and gadgets when skill is the factor in tests.
From the episodes that I've seen, the only thing they do is test weapons and equipment.
They set arbitrary rules to determine the effectiveness of weapons.
By their model, it isn't going to be possible to accurately factor in mindset or training into the scenario.
It can be a fun show to watch when they demolish pig carcasses and gel dummies.
The cheese can be overwhelming though.
I'll stick to watching Terry Schappert.
longrange1947
05-13-2009, 06:45
I answered this in another post but this what I had to say.
Watched it and the guy really screwed up the close in shooting and that made the Russians win overall. On NODs and moving on targets, he completely missed a target and I know that would not have happened with our guys here. The Russan got all kill shots in 17 seconds while the US got one kill and one wound in 12 seconds. The group of techno nerds decision was that the Russians were more professional, more technically proficient, with a stronger mind set. I ain't buying it and I think it was the guys just were not strong enough to give a good showing.
That and the gadgetery of the ballistic knife.
That is my 2 cents. :munchin
I am starting to think that SPIKE is part of the Liberal news media conglomerate.
Spike TV is owned by MTV Networks. MTV Networks is owned by Viacom. Viacom owns, among other media outlets, CBS and Paramount Studios.
At one time, Spike TV was The Nashville Channel. It then became The National Channel before becoming Spike TV.
FWIW, I think it should have stayed The National Channel. The marketing services department was slow to respond to logo requests, but the programming was much better.
BoyScout
05-13-2009, 08:46
I answered this in another post but this what I had to say.
Watched it and the guy really screwed up the close in shooting and that made the Russians win overall. On NODs and moving on targets, he completely missed a target and I know that would not have happened with our guys here. The Russan got all kill shots in 17 seconds while the US got one kill and one wound in 12 seconds. The group of techno nerds decision was that the Russians were more professional, more technically proficient, with a stronger mind set. I ain't buying it and I think it was the guys just were not strong enough to give a good showing.
That and the gadgetery of the ballistic knife.
That is my 2 cents. :munchin
Longrange said it better than I did Pete. The show is a bit of a guilty pleasure for me but nothing more really. The ballistic knife is a gadget, a one shot deal and if you miss, you are facing a field expedient ax (in this case) empty handed. This is an individual skill over technology case. But then those episodes are usually extremely close. Look at the Samurai vs. Viking and the Apache vs. Gladiator. I also think the choice of weapons by the experts are another factor not seen much in the show.
Team Sergeant
05-13-2009, 09:04
I find it hard to believe someone actually found a "Green Beret" to do the show...... stupid tv at it's finest.
greenberetTFS
05-13-2009, 09:07
I answered this in another post but this what I had to say.
Watched it and the guy really screwed up the close in shooting and that made the Russians win overall. On NODs and moving on targets, he completely missed a target and I know that would not have happened with our guys here. The Russan got all kill shots in 17 seconds while the US got one kill and one wound in 12 seconds. The group of techno nerds decision was that the Russians were more professional, more technically proficient, with a stronger mind set. I ain't buying it and I think it was the guys just were not strong enough to give a good showing.
That and the gadgetery of the ballistic knife.
That is my 2 cents. :munchin
LR1947,
Your points are very well taken.... I agree with you entirely......;)
GB TFS :munchin
Bill Harsey
05-13-2009, 09:09
And you all just made me feel better about not watching that show.
The techno nerds have no clue...
The antihero
05-13-2009, 11:29
I've been watching the show since the first episode and it's entartaining, but the whole premise is just too absurd. A one Vs. one fight simulated a thousend times on a laptop after testing weapons on gel mannequins doesn't really prove anything. It's fun to see the effect of those ancient weapons on the dummies but that's it.
Plus this episode was the lamest so far.
I'll stick with Out of the Wild.
The girls are getting good at shooting game birds, cleaning them and getting them in the pot.
zuluzerosix
05-13-2009, 11:54
I am going to reach way out on this one...
Didn't this Russian SF vs. USSF scenario (more or less) already play in out Afghanistan in the 80's? I thought (and maybe I just may be screwed up) that this had already been settled...
Also...when the fight went down during in the building (on the show) where were the 100 or so "G's" that the USSF brought with them?
Macgregor
05-13-2009, 13:19
Also...when the fight went down during in the building (on the show) where were the 100 or so "G's" that the USSF brought with them?
Haha, I was thinking along the same path.
I told one of my friends that the USSF would just train other Russians to kill the Spetsnaz.
sleepyhead4
05-13-2009, 13:34
This show was a complete waste of time.
zuluzerosix
05-13-2009, 18:17
I will say this though, those combat rolls were quite fancy.
Why test the sniper rifles if your going to battle in a building. And when do we ever go in a building with no body armor on :)
I laughed so hard when I saw the Russian guy rolling and flopping around while shooting his Saiga...
"If you absolutely need to have a backwards flipping hatchet attack... then you can call Spetsnaz" - the bald guy.
Anyone actually like the cheezy narrators voice?
Macgregor
05-13-2009, 21:03
I laughed so hard when I saw the Russian guy rolling and flopping around while shooting his Saiga...
"If you absolutely need to have a backwards flipping hatchet attack... then you can call Spetsnaz" - the bald guy.
Anyone actually like the cheezy narrators voice?
LMAO
http://i42.tinypic.com/hrx1ro.jpg
I had forgot I had that on my computer until you said that.
The Reaper
05-13-2009, 21:09
LMAO
http://i42.tinypic.com/hrx1ro.jpg
I had forgot I had that on my computer until you said that.
http://www.professionalsoldiers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3452
Review rule #10.
We are not your peers.
Go out. Enjoy HS. Graduate. Be a kid.
TR
Da comrade go ahead punch me..
oof see that had no effect on me
oof oof nothing didn't even feel it
A knife you say comrade no problem, slash away
slash slash merely a scratch...
pistol, rifle da comrade we are trained to take it all
we are the best trained in the world
What ...what are you asking?
Where did we win...
well uh lets see...
Ah Afghanistan no not really
Why did you have to bring that up...
Wheres my vodka dammit
Team Sergeant
05-14-2009, 16:59
Next week I heard it's going to be:
100 Somali Pirates Vs. One "unarmed" SEAL ;)
(I would not bet on the pirates)
TS
Utah Bob
05-14-2009, 18:49
I am going to reach way out on this one...
Didn't this Russian SF vs. USSF scenario (more or less) already play in out Afghanistan in the 80's? I thought (and maybe I just may be screwed up) that this had already been settled...
Also...when the fight went down during in the building (on the show) where were the 100 or so "G's" that the USSF brought with them?
The only type of "G" Spetznaz can handle.
Georgievskaya (http://www.fuzing.com/vli/0005779ae201/100-Russian-Vodka)
pjody187
05-28-2009, 23:03
Found this show after watching Deadliest Warrior. Same science experiment theme. But I thought it was more entertaining. What do y'all think?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWGuvuf7-Ok
sleepyhead4
05-29-2009, 01:20
Pretty interesting. More scientific than the other show. And pretty impressive operators. Thanks for the video.
zuluzerosix
05-29-2009, 09:06
The only type of "G" Spetznaz can handle.
Georgievskaya (http://www.fuzing.com/vli/0005779ae201/100-Russian-Vodka)
:D:D:D
I watched the Pirate vs. Knight episode one night... they only cared about the weapons, nothing about tactics or training.... glad I stopped watching after that...
zuluzerosix
05-29-2009, 11:13
Pretty interesting. More scientific than the other show. And pretty impressive operators. Thanks for the video.
That show was most impressive. Incredible how the operators were able to function extremely well under extreme heat and cold.
alfromcolorado
05-29-2009, 14:25
The only type of "G" Spetznaz can handle.
Georgievskaya (http://www.fuzing.com/vli/0005779ae201/100-Russian-Vodka)
Damn, that is some pretty expensive stuff...
dr. mabuse
05-29-2009, 19:00
I'm waiting for the U.S. Army vs the Klingons episode.
I can't believe I wasted a good 30 seconds of my life on that show....
greenberetTFS
05-29-2009, 19:44
The only type of "G" Spetznaz can handle.
Georgievskaya (http://www.fuzing.com/vli/0005779ae201/100-Russian-Vodka)
UB,
Did you see that price in USD $154, are they nuts? :rolleyes:
GB TFS :munchin
I'm waiting for the U.S. Army vs the Klingons episode.
I can't believe I wasted a good 30 seconds of my life on that show....
You're not far off.
The next episode is going to be Taliban vs. IRA :mad:
This series was over before it started...
frostfire
05-29-2009, 21:51
Found this show after watching Deadliest Warrior. Same science experiment theme. But I thought it was more entertaining. What do y'all think?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWGuvuf7-Ok
thanks for the post. If it works, it works but still, I noticed the SF warrior uses a different grip than the other participants: the correct isoceles grip. IIRC, the grip that the TS teaches as well.
On the 2nd test:
is the adrenaline level measured before and after?
is the learning curve of the test taken into account?
perdurabo
05-29-2009, 22:51
I've been watching the show since the first episode and it's entartaining, but the whole premise is just too absurd. A one Vs. one fight simulated a thousend times on a laptop after testing weapons on gel mannequins doesn't really prove anything. It's fun to see the effect of those ancient weapons on the dummies but that's it.
Plus this episode was the lamest so far.
These "simulations" are non-peer reviewed Excel formulae made up by some statistics guy with no fighting/combat experience. Probably plays a mean Halo 3, though.
The antihero
05-30-2009, 02:57
These "simulations" are non-peer reviewed Excel formulae made up by some statistics guy with no fighting/combat experience. Probably plays a mean Halo 3, though.
Amen to that.
Blitzzz (RIP)
05-30-2009, 05:24
The real test has always been Man vs Man in the woods with a couple of weapons of choice.
I'm good with a Highstandard silenced .22 and good knife. Of course I could bear an M-4.
finally watched this show tonight, in the SF guys defense, spike tv had everything laid out how it was gonna go exactly, e-tool, wtf? too bad he wasnt a better shot unders nods with an M9, thats all i did when i went to the range...
.... then have teams of Spetsnaz and SF battle each other with say paintball weapons? ......
Blanks don't kill people.
Different tactics for different weapons.
"Take one for the Team" means two different things when you're talking paintball vs 7.62x39.
greenberetTFS
06-13-2009, 16:09
"Take one for the Team" means two different things when you're talking paintball vs 7.62x39./quote/Pete
That is funny,really funny when you think about it..........:rolleyes:
GB TFS :munchin
"Take one for the Team" means two different things when you're talking paintball vs 7.62x39.
Awesome quote. Adding that one to my list of favorites.
Could there be rules in place where once hit by a paintball the person is "dead?"
If you're killed with a 7.62x39 you don't get up. If you're "killed" by a paintball you get up after the game is over.
While some skills cross over - doing lots of non-leathal force on force can lead to some bad habits. Cover vs concealment is a glaring one.
Utah Bob
06-14-2009, 07:59
Oh man! I just saw the Mafia vs. Yakuza episode!! Absolutely hilarious!:D
What's next? Rosie O'Donnel vs. Joan of Arc?:eek:
No, turns out next up is Clay Aiken v. Perez Hilton.
Utah Bob
06-16-2009, 14:18
No, turns out next up is Clay Aiken v. Perez Hilton.
By God, that's must see TV right there!:D:D
Remington Raidr
06-16-2009, 17:14
saw Maori warrior v Shaolin master, had to watch it to the end just to find out. The computer gave it to the Shaolin more times than the Maori. Funniest line was at the end, when the Maori warrior opined that the computer was probably Chinese.:D
No, turns out next up is Clay Aiken v. Perez Hilton.
I want to see Alec Baldwin vs. Team America! :lifter
Deadliest warrior I ever knew was Bob Howard - these guys are pu$$ie$ compared to Bob when he was on the battlefield and the $hi* was on. :lifter
Richard's $.02 :munchin
Deadliest warrior I ever knew was Bob Howard - these guys are pu$$ie$ compared to Bob when he was on the battlefield and the $hi* was on. :lifter
Richard's $.02 :munchin
He was the OIC of Phase One when I went thru. Took us on our first ruck run. We went about 7 miles and came back thru the gate and marked time for a while, then he asked us if we were warmed up, and we went around again. Lotta guys bounced the gate that day!
When we did the final 12 miler, a buddy of mine and I passed Bad Bob about the final third of the ruck. We got to our assembly area, and I said "I thought Col. Howard was supposed to be a stud. We just passed him like he was standing still."
My Team Leader said, "Yeah, well, you need to shut the f... up, 'cause that's his second time around. He went around with the Officers this morning."
I wish somebody would write a book about that Hero. I've read a couple that profiled him, but he deserves his own biography.
He will always be an inspiration to me.
the squid
06-17-2009, 16:46
If you're killed with a 7.62x39 you don't get up. If you're "killed" by a paintball you get up after the game is over.
While some skills cross over - doing lots of non-leathal force on force can lead to some bad habits. Cover vs concealment is a glaring one.
I can attest to that, sir, after having found cover behind several skinny trees during STX Lanes.
It would seem that the motivations for finding something solid and large to hide behind are instrinsically different when discussing the differences between paintball and war, not that I claim any knowledge of to the latter.
greenberetTFS
06-17-2009, 17:27
I want to settle this long time feeling on who's the toughest movie star hero......:mad: I want to see the"Duke"(SF) vs. Charlie Sheen(SEAL)........ :rolleyes: To make it a fair fight,(Charlie is the young blood). We will tie Duke's right arm behind his back,tie a big boulder to his left leg then cover his both eyes......Vegas odds give the Duke 170 to 1........:lifter
The odds on how long it will last are:100 to 1,on 60 seconds,150 to 1, 30 seconds. This of course having the Duke to win and how long it would take to do it.........Any ideas?
GB TFS :munchin
greenberetTFS
06-17-2009, 19:09
It would be over in three hits. Duke hitting Charlie, Charlie hitting the floor, and the ambulance hitting 90. Here is a little fact about the Duke.
I got the info here. http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000078/bio
BO,
I hope the Vegas odds people didn't see that info,also I hope Charlie didn't shit his pants reading it! ;)
GB TFS :munchin
Hell - Steve McQueen would've kicked the living dog $h*t out of Charlie Sheen - and the Duke wouldn't have even seen an increase in his pulse rate. ;)
Richard's $.02 :munchin
Utah Bob
06-17-2009, 19:29
Movie Green Beret - Duke Wayne
Movie SEAL - Charlie Sheen
How embarrassing.:D
lonepine
06-18-2009, 15:16
Found this show after watching Deadliest Warrior. Same science experiment theme. But I thought it was more entertaining. What do y'all think?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWGuvuf7-Ok
Also good is Warriors (http://www.history.com/content/warriors/about-the-show) on the History Channel, hosted by a QP. A lot like Deadliest Warrior, only without all the cheesy crap and with people who actually know what they're doing.
Edit: That and it's always fun to see a 17-year SF vet get his ass handed to him in a Zulu stick fight
Edit: That and it's always fun to see a 17-year SF vet get his ass handed to him in a Zulu stick fight
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lonepine
06-18-2009, 16:44
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Sorry, that needed an explanation. The host goes around and learns the art of whatever warrior the show is examining (samurai, WWII Alamo Rangers, etc.). In one particular show, he goes and talks to a bunch of Zulu tribesmen who still practice the traditional Zulu method of fighting - namely, beating the crap out of each other with long club-like sticks called knobkerrjes. For having never done it before, he does surprisingly well, but it makes for pretty surreal television to see him squared up against a guy in full impi warrior garb, wailing on each other with these clubs.
There's a whole marathon on today, and on account of the 24-hour downpour, I ended up watching a quite a good deal of episodes. Most of it is theatrics - the host is obviously trying to showcase how effective the fighting style is in its element rather than stack it up against any other fighting style (including his own). I think the most interesting episode was about the Alamo Rangers, which he called the spiritual predecessor to SF, especially because there are still former Alamo Rangers around to talk about their experiences in the jungles of the Philippines.
blue02hd
06-18-2009, 18:23
Sorry, that needed an explanation. The host goes around and learns the art of whatever warrior the show is examining (samurai, WWII Alamo Rangers, etc.). In one particular show, he goes and talks to a bunch of Zulu tribesmen who still practice the traditional Zulu method of fighting - namely, beating the crap out of each other with long club-like sticks called knobkerrjes. For having never done it before, he does surprisingly well, but it makes for pretty surreal television to see him squared up against a guy in full impi warrior garb, wailing on each other with these clubs.
There's a whole marathon on today, and on account of the 24-hour downpour, I ended up watching a quite a good deal of episodes. Most of it is theatrics - the host is obviously trying to showcase how effective the fighting style is in its element rather than stack it up against any other fighting style (including his own). I think the most interesting episode was about the Alamo Rangers, which he called the spiritual predecessor to SF, especially because there are still former Alamo Rangers around to talk about their experiences in the jungles of the Philippines.
In Coming,,,,,
lonepine
06-18-2009, 19:56
Do you mean the Alamo Scouts? They were actually awarded the Special Forces Tab in the 1980's. A local guy from here, now dead, was the Lead Alamo Scout on the Cabutuan (sp?) POW raid.
Yes, sorry, that's it. I must have gotten the names confused because they kept talking about the Alamo Scouts working in tandem with the Rangers during said Cabatuan raid.
Yes, sorry, that's it. I must have gotten the names confused because they kept talking about the Alamo Scouts working in tandem with the Rangers during said Cabatuan raid.
Hey Cadet, I've ever heard about the "Cabatuan" raid. Do a little research and tell us about it. Cover the 5w's. 1-2 pages (in MS Word) should be sufficient. Make sure you site your sources. Use APA formatting. Post it so we can all learn.
I'm not joking. Think of me as your ROTC instructor. This is a followup to the Sitational Awareness lesson that we talked about via PM. Remember?
Post again before completing this assignment and I'll make a personal recommendation to the Team Sergeant to make sure that you don't post again... ever.
Just so you know that I'm not uncaring...I'll be happy to review your paper before you post it. PM me and I'll review.
Do not embarass me further.
abc
Cabanatuan - there's an excellent historical study put out by the CAC at FLW on the raid.
FWIW - I knew two Alamo Scouts in Group - Pappy Kittleson - our Group CSM in the 7th in the early 70s - and COL Charlie Norton - the JFKCENMA CofS for a hell of a long time.
Richard's $.02 :munchin
greenberetTFS
06-19-2009, 05:44
Cabanatuan - there's an excellent historical study put out by the CAC at FLW on the raid.
FWIW - I knew two Alamo Scouts in Group - Pappy Kittleson - our Group CSM in the 7th in the early 70s - and COL Charlie Norton - the JFKCENMA CofS for a hell of a long time.
Richard's $.02 :munchin
Richard ,
Were the guys given the SF tab or did they earn it by going through SFQC? :confused: Brush Oakie, claims they were given their tabs in 1980 for what they did in WW2.:rolleyes:
Big Teddy :munchin
Were the guys given the SF tab or did they earn it by going through SFQC? :confused: Brush Oakie, claims they were given their tabs in 1980 for what they did in WW2.
Guys like Pappy and Norton were long time SFers - Alamo Scouts who weren't in SF were awarded the tabs just like the old Rangers were awarded their tabs for having undergone Ranger training while serving in a Ranger unit (often in combat) vs having gone through the 'official' Ranger school (which wasn't even in existance at the time many of them served in Ranger units).
Clear as mud, huh. ;)
Richard's $.02 :munchin
GB_TFS,
There is specific former wartime service that can qualify one for the SF tab. The following is excerpted from The Institute of Heraldry's website (http://www.tioh.hqda.pentagon.mil/Tab/SpecialForcesTab.htm):
e. Former wartime service. The Special Forces Tab may be awarded retroactively to all personnel who performed the following wartime service:
(1) 1942 through 1973. Served with a Special Forces unit during wartime and were either unable to or not required to attend a formal program of instruction but were awarded SQI “S”, “3”, “5G” by competent authority.
(2) Prior to 1954. Service for at least 120 consecutive days in one of the following organizations:
a. 1st Special Service Force, August 1942 to December 1944.
b. OSS Detachment 101, April 1942 to September 1945.
c. OSS Jedburgh Detachments, May 1944 to May 1945.
d. OSS Operational Groups, May 1944 to May 1945.
e. OSS Maritime Unit, April 1942 to September 1945.
f. 6th Army Special Reconnaissance Unit (Alamo Scouts), February 1944 to September 1945.
g. 8240th Army Unit, June 1950 to July 1953.
(3) 1954 through 1975. Any company grade officer or enlisted member awarded the CIB or CMB while serving for at least 120 consecutive days in one of the following type organizations:
a. SF Operational Detachment-A (A-Team).
b. Mobile Strike Force.
c. SF Reconnaissance Team.
d. SF Special Project Unit.
While I was in the Q Course, my classmates and I had the honor of attending the presentation of the SF tab to COL (ret.) Ben Malcolm (author of White Tigers (http://www.amazon.com/White-Tigers-Secret-North-Memories/dp/1574886053/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1245424489&sr=8-1), an interesting read) for his work with partisans during the Korean War while assigned to the 8240th.