DHS faces veteran anger at extremism report

[Warrior-Mentor]

US govt faces veteran anger at extremism report
Apr 15 02:43 PM US/Eastern

The US Homeland Security Department, under fire for saying US forces returning from the Iraq and Afghan wars were potential right-wing extremist recruits, said Wednesday it honors US veterans.

Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano sought to douse anger among conservatives and veterans groups like the American Legion over a report from her department warning of a rising threat of right-wing extremism.

"We are on the lookout for criminal and terrorist activity but we do not -- nor will we ever -- monitor ideology or political beliefs," Napolitano said in a statement amid charges that the department had done just that.

American Legion chief David Rehbein on Tuesday blasted the report as "incomplete, and, I fear, politically-biased" and took special aim at its warning that returning veterans having difficulties reintegrating society could be recruited by right-wing groups for possible terrorist attacks.

In a letter to Napolitano, Rehbein underlined the document's mention of Oklahoma City bombing author Timothy McVeigh's US Army background and called it "as unfair as using Osama bin Laden as the sole example of Islam."

"The American Legion is well aware and horrified at the pain inflicted during the Oklahoma City bombing, but Timothy McVeigh was only one of more than 42 million veterans who have worn this nation's uniform during wartime," said Rehbein, who group comprises some 2.6 million members.

Napolitano said she accepted Rehbein's request for a meeting and stressed: "I will tell him face-to-face that we honor veterans at DHS and employ thousands across the department, up to and including the deputy secretary."

The report said that fears of possible new restrictions on firearms, as well as troubled veterans returning from the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, "could lead to the potential emergence of terrorist groups or lone wolf extremists capable of carrying out violent attacks."

Rehbein said the accusation, levelled in an April 7 document designed for local law enforcement officials, was "without any statistical evidence."

[Warrior-Mentor]

Thursday, April 16, 2009
Napolitano stands by 'extremism' report

Audrey Hudson and Eli Lake

Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano said she was briefed before the release of a controversial intelligence assessment and that she stands by the report sent to law enforcement that lists veterans as a terrorist risk to the U.S. and defines "rightwing extremism" as including groups opposed to abortion and immigration.

The outcry resulted in a demand from the head of the American Legion to meet with Ms. Napolitano, a request the DHS chief said she would honor next week when she returns to Washington from her current tour of the U.S.-Mexican border.

"The document on right-wing extremism sent last week by this department´s Office of Intelligence and Analysis is one in an ongoing series of assessments to provide situational awareness to state, local and tribal law enforcement agencies on the phenomenon and trends of violent radicalization in the United States," Ms. Napolitano said in a statement.

• Click here to download a PDF of the report.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/apr/16/napolitano-stands-rightwing-extremism/

"I was briefed on the general topic, which is one that struck a nerve as someone personally involved in the Timothy McVeigh prosecution," Ms. Napolitano said.

"Let me be very clear: we monitor the risks of violent extremism taking root here in the United States. We don´t have the luxury of focusing our efforts on one group; we must protect the country from terrorism whether foreign or homegrown, and regardless of the ideology that motivates its violence," Ms. Napolitano said.

"We are on the lookout for criminal and terrorist activity but we do not — nor will we ever — monitor ideology or political beliefs. We take seriously our responsibility to protect the civil rights and liberties of the American people, including subjecting our activities to rigorous oversight from numerous internal and external sources," Ms. Napolitano said.

The nine-page document titled "Rightwing Extremism: Current Economic and Political Climate Fueling Resurgence in Radicalization and Recruitment," has caused an outcry from veterans groups, Republican lawmakers and conservative activists.

"Rightwing extremism," the report defines in a footnote on Page 2, goes beyond religious and racial hate groups and extends to "those that are mainly antigovernment, rejecting federal authority in favor of state or local authority, or rejecting government authority entirely."

"It may include groups and individuals that are dedicated to a single issue, such as opposition to abortion or immigration," said the report, which also listed as suspect gun owners and veterans of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars.

The American Legion on Tuesday criticized the report as unfairly stereotyping veterans.

"I am aware of the letter from American Legion National Commander (David) Rehbein, and my staff has already contacted him to set up a meeting next week once I return from travel. I will tell him face-to-face that we honor veterans at DHS and employ thousands across the department, up to and including the Deputy Secretary," Ms. Napolitano said.

"As the department responsible for protecting the homeland, DHS will continue to work with its state and local partners to prevent and protect against the potential threat to the United States associated with any rise in violent extremist activity," Ms. Napolitano said.

[Paslode]

"We are on the lookout for criminal and terrorist activity but we do not -- nor will we ever -- monitor ideology or political beliefs," Napolitano said in a statement amid charges that the department had done just that.


I thought they quit using the terms terrorist and terrorism in favor of terms like 'Man Made Disasters' so as not to insult our misunderstood Jihadi freinds?????? Oh, I see were this is going......The Adminstration is redefining who is a terrorist and what defines terrorism.


They're not at war with Islam, they are at war with Baseball, Mom and Apple Pie.

[Box]

The landscape has become so surreal...
Somehow, I am a potential terrorist, while gentlemen like Hugo Chavez, Kim Jong Il, and Mahmoud Ahmedinijad are just misunderstood statesman that we should share a cup of tea and a warm conversation with.

I must have missed the memo.

[SF0]

Not surprising, considering the current "left-wing extremist" administration. It may not take much to classify many of us as domestic terrorists. They know the face of their enemy, but so do we.

[Warrior-Mentor]

New York Post
April 16, 2009

The Vet 'Threat'

Gov't IDs Public Enemy No. 1

By Ralph Peters

HOLLYWOOD and countless professors warned us: Military vets are drooling trailer-trash who beat their wives and, at best, wind up as homeless street people -- at worst, as homicidal psychos deformed by war.

Now, thanks to our ever-vigilant Department of Homeland Security, the full extent of the danger has been revealed: Our so-called "war heroes" are rushing back to join right-wing-extremist hate groups to overthrow our government.

Let's not quibble about little things like evidence. The Obama administration just knows that vets are all racist, Jew-hating crazies waiting to explode. Thank God, DHS has a fearless leader, Janet-from-another-planet Napolitano, who isn't afraid to call white trash "white trash."

In this administration's published opinion, those who've served in our military are a menace to society and the state. And DHS's racist, bigoted implication is that the only danger comes from white, Christian vets (there's not a whisper about minority violence).

Thanks for bringing us together, Mr. President.

Racism is racism. The left-wing propaganda document published officially by your government under the title "Right-wing Extremism: Current Economic and Political Climate Fueling Resurgence in Radicalization and Recruitment" may be the shabbiest US Government publication of our time.

The report warns that "the return of military veterans facing significant challenges reintegrating into their communities could lead to the potential emergence of terrorist groups or lone wolf extremists . . . carrying out violent acts."

The document's evidence? None. It contains no hard data, no statistics. It's nothing but a racist, anti-military opinion column that might pass muster in The New York Times, but shouldn't be issued by our government.

The report adds that "rightwing extremists will attempt to recruit and radicalize returning veterans" who "possess combat skills." The point? Our hayseed, uneducated, unskilled, wacko vets aren't able to think for themselves and will be patsies for right-wing fanatics. Guess that's how things look from Harvard.

Then the report warns us that "a prominent civil-rights organization reported in 2006 that 'large numbers of potentially violent neo-Nazis, skinheads, and other white supremacists are now learning the art of warfare in the armed forces.' "

Which civil-rights organization? The Rev. Jeremiah Wright's? Why not name it? Why accept this bigoted hearsay? Where's the proof? Where's the data?

And where are those "large numbers of potentially violent neo-Nazis," anyway? Last time I checked, American Nazis had trouble mustering a couple dozen overweight losers in Halloween costumes.

Of course, Timothy McVeigh is invoked. Repeatedly. He's the sole example of a violent anti-government vet the report's drafters could produce. And there's no mention of the fact that, when he tried to join Special Forces, McVeigh promptly washed out and soon found his butt on the street. No, McVeigh will serve as eternal evidence that a homicidal nut lurks within every former soldier.

In just 8½ pages of text, the report manages to link our veterans to anti-Semitism, racism, economic failure and those dangerous citizens who think illegal immigration's a bad idea. Oh, and vets can't be trusted with firearms.

Your tax dollars at work.

But never fear: Obama's commissars at the Department of Homeland Security have already responded that DHS simultaneously issued a report on extremist danger from the left. It's title? "Leftwing Extremists Likely to Increase Use of Cyber Attacks over the Coming Decade."

Get the point? Left-wing extremists aren't violent (and right-wingers are too stupid to understand computers). Timothy McVeigh can be invoked, but let's not mention Bill Ayers, our president's good buddy (until he became inconvenient) or his murderous wife. Left-wing fanatics might make a little online mischief, but, hey -- kids will be kids.

Read both reports. You'll find that those on the political right (not just vets) are unable to cope with the stress of economic hardship, the real-estate crisis or job loss. Not a word about those issues driving leftists to extremes. They're just defending animal rights and the environment (honest -- read the reports).

Narco gangs aren't a threat, either. And the real and present danger from Islamist fanatics resident in our country goes unmentioned -- even though there's plenty of data on that threat. The only anti-government violence DHS fears comes from crackers with carbines.

And from chumps so dumb they joined the military.

We're the threat to our fellow citizens. You and me.

Our first minority president just took a giant step toward creating the most bigoted administration since that of arch-segregationist Woodrow Wilson.

Apologize to our veterans, Mr. President. And send Ms. Napolitano back to the minors.

Ralph Peters is so stupid he served in our military for almost 22 years.

[Penn]

I watched is awe as Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano made her remarks concerning this issue: 1. She was disingenuous
2. She hasn't yet realized that if this continues, she been hung out to dry.

[Team Sergeant]

The US military (past or present) should be considered a threat to anyone or group that countermands the words or principles of the Constitution of the United States.

We are the 1% that defend the Constitution and we are watching.

[RT AXE 10]

The US military (past or present) should be considered a threat to anyone or group that countermands the words or principles of the Constitution of the United States.

We are the 1% that defend the Constitution and we are watching.

Here! Here!, I strongly agree with TS,

I believe, those who reap the benefits of American Freedom with out serving US Military time, should not be allowed to serve in any USG leadership position, regardless...


Federalist!

[Coldsteel24]

Hmm.. reminds me of a very good book I once read.. Starship troopers anyone?
and no, not the movie.

Amen, TS

[greenberetTFS]

The landscape has become so surreal...
Somehow, I am a potential terrorist, while gentlemen like Hugo Chavez, Kim Jong Il, and Mahmoud Ahmedinijad are just misunderstood statesman that we should share a cup of tea and a warm conversation with.

I must have missed the memo.


Billy,

Your absolutely right. Somehow, for some reason, we've become the "bad" guys.....:mad:

GB TFS :munchin

[Shar]

The landscape has become so surreal...
Somehow, I am a potential terrorist, while gentlemen like Hugo Chavez, Kim Jong Il, and Mahmoud Ahmedinijad are just misunderstood statesman that we should share a cup of tea and a warm conversation with.

I must have missed the memo.

How surprising is this when we've been seeing Che Guevara "hero" t-shirts popping up for the past couple of years and the most iconic images of both Che and Obama are strikingly similar?

[armymom1228]

Well said TS...

"Rightwing extremism," the report defines in a footnote on Page 2, goes beyond religious and racial hate groups and extends to "those that are mainly antigovernment, rejecting federal authority in favor of state or local authority, or rejecting government authority entirely."

I resemeble this remark. I dislike the Feds sticking thier noses into places they really should not go.. Our country, as it was concieved was not supposed to end up where it is now.. with Government attempting to control every aspect of our lives or local government.

However, what can one expect from a far to the left as it gets current climate in Washington??? Socialist want to rule a persons life from the cradle to the grave..

My South Carolinian ancestors are probably spinning in thier graves at the moment. :eek:

[afchic]

I went last night to see what it was all about, and was very glad I did. There was a group of about 9K. Everyone was cordial, everone cleaned up after themselves, everyone was respectful of everyone else. Not quite what you would expect from a group of right wing extremists, huh MSM??

I didn't have time to make a sign this time, but for the next tea party in STL on 4 Jul my sign will read "My CHOOSING to protect and defend my country does not make me a right wing extremist!!!!"

There were a lot of signs there last night that had Obama as Che Guevera.

Also

One
Big
Ass
Mistake
America

223 years to build a republic
86 days to destroy it

Did anyone catch Napolitano on Fox and Friends this morning, when she stated she stood by the report???

[armymom1228]

From USA Today:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2009-04-16-napolitano-report_N.htm?csp=34

Napolitano suggested that critics have taken the report's findings out of context and that there has been a lot of political spinning "out there in Washington, D.C. land."



The senior Democrat of the House committee with oversight of the department said the most recent report raises privacy and civil liberty issues. "This report appears to have blurred the line between violent belief, which is constitutionally protected, and violent action, which is not," Rep. Bennie Thompson, D-Miss., wrote in a letter to Napolitano

House Minority Leader John Boehner, R-Ohio, assailed Napolitano's department for the report and pressed the agency to apologize to veterans. "To characterize men and women returning home after defending our country as potential terrorists is offensive and unacceptable," Boehner said Wednesday.

Asked about Boehner's remarks, Napolitano said, "He wants to make some political hay."



Well if you guys are all potential terrorists....... you can 'terrorize' me any day of the week.... :D:D Did I just say that... oh my!:o:o

[Utah Bob]

At least Nam vets were only characterized as baby killing, psychotic, drug users, not terrorists.:eek:

[mac117]

all this time....I thought I was fighting the terrorist......little did I know I was one! I wish the damn government would make up my mind!!!!!!

[e7cdt]

As I read this thread on the DHS report I have to wonder what our course of action becomes when retired military personnel are more than simply labeled as risks. Is there some sort of criteria that need to be met to know when it's really hit the fan? This is a question I've struggled with.

Part of me agrees with the Socratic social contract - since I live here by choice I should obey the laws - but the rest of me screams to fight for what I believe in; and that I have a duty to the oath I swore to uphold the Constitution, against even those who are elected.

How do we know we've reached a point where the ridiculousness is actionable? :confused:

[Richard]

Counterinsurgency training was based on the concept of it takes one to know one or catch one. What does that say of our potential and the government's fears? They need to remember that fertile ground yields bountiful crops of whatever seeds they plant. ;)

Richard's $.02 :munchin

[Surf n Turf]

Counterinsurgency training was based on the concept of it takes one to know one or catch one. What does that say of our potential and the government's fears? They need to remember that fertile ground yields bountiful crops of whatever seeds they plant. ;)

Richard's $.02 :munchin

The FBI has entered the fray.
Richard, you are very correct in your assessment, but are they intentionally stirring the pot? Lets hope not.

Operation Vigilant Eagle
WASHINGTON -- The Federal Bureau of Investigation earlier this year launched a nationwide operation targeting white supremacists and "militia/sovereign-citizen extremist groups," including a focus on veterans from Iraq and Afghanistan, according to memos sent from bureau headquarters to field offices.
The initiative, dubbed Operation Vigilant Eagle, was outlined in February, two months before a memo giving a similar warning was issued on April 7 by the Department of Homeland Security.
Disclosure of the DHS memo this week has sparked controversy among some conservatives and veterans groups. Appearing on television talk shows Thursday, Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano defended the assessment, but apologized to veterans who saw it as an accusation.
"This is an assessment of things just to be wary of, not to infringe on constitutional rights, certainly not to malign our veterans," she said on NBC's Today Show.
The documents outlining Operation Vigilant Eagle cite a surge in activity by such groups. The memos say the FBI's focus on veterans began as far back as December, during the final weeks of the Bush administration, when the bureau's domestic counterterrorism division formed a special joint working group with the Defense Department
A Feb. 23 draft memo from FBI domestic counterterrorism leaders, obtained by The Wall Street Journal, cited an "increase in recruitment, threatening communications and weapons procurement by white supremacy extremist and militia/sovereign-citizen extremist groups."
The FBI said in the memo that its conclusion about a surge in such activities was based on confidential sources, undercover operations, reporting from other law-enforcement agencies and publicly available information. The memo said the main goal of the multipronged operation was to get a better handle on "the scope of this emerging threat." The operation also seeks to identify gaps in intelligence efforts surrounding these groups and their leaders

Remainder of article can be found at

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123992665198727459.html

For they have sown the wind, and they shall reap the whirlwind - Hosea 8:7
SnT

[RT AXE 10]

These leaders dont have a clue...They need to relook at their Demobilization program, if it exsists... I dont think they really have one... It;s been taken for granted all these years following WWII, Korea, RVN, now Astan, Iraq, and where ever else. So now they're faced with a fear of Mil Vets becoming a threat by joining up with Domestic Terrorism.

[Richard]

I read this thing and offer the following thoughts:


It's a masterpiece of the typically vague and obfuscatory language of any of the federal government's bureaucracies - which makes it nearly worthless as any sort of so-called intelligence analysis. I'd fire this group for puting out such a worthless POS and send Janet back to playing by herself in Sheriff Joe's litterbox and leave the rest of us the hell alone.

This thing brought back flashback's of the SALT2/CFE days in Vienna in the early 90's in which there were a variety of established, hierarchical means to correspond among the negotiating parties. A White Paper was the lowest form of official intra-committee or delegation correspondence - but there was also a Non-White Paper - no kidding, that was its title - in which random thoughts could be passed among the delegations in an unofficial capacity (although it had to be done in a specific format and routed through very specific agreed upon internal channels) and allow nobody to be held responsible for the contents. Used to blow my mind, and my experiences there made me realize I could never work for State.

Why doesn't it mention all the left-wing extremists occupying the Capitol these days and holding 300 Americans hostage to their fiscal demands?


The best thing about this whole Assessment [uproarious laughter sets the neighbor's dogs to barking] is that it's awakened America to the extent of the ludicrous ineptitude of its overly tax-funded government agencies. ;)

Richard's $.02 :munchin

[greenberetTFS]

Yesterday, on the AOL news the VFW defended it as an "assessment, not a an accusation". :rolleyes: The American Legion and Vets for Freedom took offense to the intelligence report and justly so. Why would the VFW defend it?:confused: http://news.aol.com/article/homeland-security-chief-defends-agency/430595

GB TFS :munchin

[Saoirse]

I find their use of "right wing extremist" ...interesting. It sounds to me as if they are making the assumption that every veteran or active duty service member is conservative/republican and negate the fact there are plenty of dems/liberals that are serving and are downrange! They are throwing everyone under the bus.

So let me get this straight...because I am conservative, a Veteran, worried about crime, education, gun rights, my 1st Amendment rights, worry about immigration policies, am against abortion, don't trust my goverment but I LOVE MY COUNTRY and HEY..let's not forget the fact that I support the troops 100%... I am a threat!?!?! I am a terrorist?!!! The last time I checked, the only person I terrorize is my boyfriend (and that's in a good way!).

At what point, did we sink so low that elected officials are willing to throw the entire nation under the bus!? If ya ask me (and I know nobody did), it is the current REGIME that is a terrorist threat to the sovereignty of this great nation and our servicemen and women!

I watched Janet - Don't I look just Janet Reno? - Napolitano on Fox News yesterday morning and she made a half-assed apology to veterans. Napolitano said, "We do not mean to suggest that veterans as a whole are at risk of becoming violent extremists." She also said: "I apologize for that offense. It was certainly not intended." She stated to Fox that she reads EVERY document that comes across her desk before she signs off on it. Apparantly, she was thinking with her 4th point of contact instead of the grey matter in her ugly head! She signed off on that document too. Did she honestly think that there would be no backlash for this crap!? She can go suck an egg....just like Jane Fonda! I wonder how long it will be before we starting seeing her ilk hanging out with taliban and al quada members and other extremist muslims...holding their weapons and laughing and joking and getting all fuzzy/cozy with them!?

If this goverment sees me as a THREAT.....well, just like I say to some assclown when I am working...PUT'EM UP BUTTERCUP!

I do have one question though... Is the current REGIME putting this sort of information out there to BAIT people, see who gets riled up over it, takes them to task for it...so they will KNOW exactly who they have to target next?

-----rant over-----

[Warrior-Mentor]

I've been told FBI has a strange culture....many Agents are former military, or at least pro-military...
many are Vietnam draft dodgers... who are not.
This creates an interesting mix...

[Richard]

I've been told FBI has a strange culture....many Agents are former military, or at least pro-military...
many are Vietnam draft dodgers... who are not.
This creates an interesting mix...

And then there was that cross-dressing, secret file keeping, pug-faced Director...:eek:

Richard's $.02 :munchin

[Warrior-Mentor]

And then there was that cross-dressing, secret file keeping, pug-faced Director...:eek:

Richard's $.02 :munchin

Wasn't going to go there....

[Bad Tolz]

DHS Secretary would do well to establish resource contacts with a few CSM's before igniting the next firestorm regarding veterans as potential terrorist recruits.

[Bad Tolz]

I've been told FBI has a strange culture....many Agents are former military, or at least pro-military...
many are Vietnam draft dodgers... who are not.
This creates an interesting mix...

The Bureau has two cultures, not unlike the military: some are warriors (strongly influenced by former USMC), many are bureaucrats who are more secure with a computer than a gun.

[armymom1228]

And then there was that cross-dressing, secret file keeping, pug-faced Director...:eek:



I just got a vision of a pug dog in a tutu ..... :rolleyes:

[Pete]

DHS Secretary would do well to establish resource contacts with a few CSM's before igniting the next firestorm regarding veterans as potential terrorist recruits.

You have a profile and 2 posts but you need to make your introduction in the intro thread before you get your post count any higher.

[Richard]

From today's Pravda on the Hudson.

Richard's $.02 :munchin

The Enemies Within
Charles M. Blow, NYT, 17 Apr 2009

The United States Department of Homeland Security’s Office of Intelligence and Analysis issued a report last week suggesting that current political and economic conditions are energizing right-wing extremist groups, that many of these groups follow extremely conservative ideologies and that some may seek to recruit and “radicalize” veterans returning from Iraq and Afghanistan.

True, true and true.

But, conservatives reacted by throwing a knee-jerk hissy fit. They twisted the report’s meaning to imply that they, and more importantly our war heroes, were being vilified by a partisan document.

Their argument seeks to suppress and subjugate two rather unfortunate facts: while only a tiny number of conservatives and veterans are members of hate groups, nearly all hate groups do indeed follow far-right ideology. And they covet members with military experience.

A report issued last summer by former President Bush’s F.B.I. entitled “White Supremacist Recruitment of Military Personnel since 9/11” said that “military experience is found throughout the white supremacist extremist movement” and that these groups “have attempted to increase their recruitment of current and former U.S. military personnel.”

So, which soldiers are most vulnerable? According to the Homeland Security report, it would probably be those “facing significant challenges reintegrating into their communities.” This could be a large group because far too many soldiers come back from war broken men. According to a RAND study released on Friday, 300,000 veterans of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan reported some sign of post-traumatic stress disorder or major depression. It said that only about half of those will seek help and only half of those seeking it will receive “minimally adequate” treatment.

These soldiers could prove fertile ground for men hoping to prey on their fear, loneliness and dispossession.

And those extremist leaders may be able to connect more easily with some of these soldiers because many were soldiers themselves. According to the F.B.I. report, “although individuals with military backgrounds constitute a small percentage of white supremacist extremists, they frequently occupy leadership roles.”

Because many know firsthand the value of military experience, they not only recruit those leaving the military, they send recruits into it. According to Mark Potok of the Southern Poverty Law Center, “Many white supremacists over the years have pushed their followers to join the military and enter either the special forces, where the training is judged to be the best in the world, or the infantry, where you will learn the skills necessary to fight the coming race war.”

The only debate we should be having is about the best way to protect our newest veterans from falling prey to this handful of military apostates.

If they only recruit a few, that is still too many. Terrorists have shown the world time and again that a few well-trained men is all it takes.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/18/opinion/18blow.html?ref=opinion

[Team Sergeant]

DHS Secretary would do well to establish resource contacts with a few CSM's before igniting the next firestorm regarding veterans as potential terrorist recruits.

IMO the DHS secretary would serve this nation better by flipping burgers at the local burger king. That moron needs to be fired, now.

[Warrior-Mentor]

NYT loves to paint Service Members and Veterans as VICTIMS.

They fail to understand the Warrior-mentality:

"That which does not kill us makes us STRONGER." - Nietzsche

...and those injured or killed are NOT VICTIMS - they are HEROES.

They volunteered...every last one of them...to pick up arms and to defend our country.

For that we should honor them and cherish their sacrifice.

[The Reaper]

Why did the NYT not acknowledge the left wing hate groups, like some of the POTUS's former associates, the Earth Firsters, the ALFs, the anti-military and Bush haters, etc.? Maybe there is a common source for them as well, like liberal universities?

That article provides exactly the sort of stereotypes that you would expect from such a leftist rag as the NYT. Citations from the SPLC as a source just confirmed it. Kind of like when they have an article on guns with the facts provided by the Brady Center.

It should be no surprise to any thinking individual one who has read the above article from the NYT news section, rather than the editorial page, why that liberal, military loathing, America-hating rag, and most of the rest of the similar left wing print media is headed into oblivion.

Good riddance.

TR

[Richard]

FWIW - my wife won't allow me to read either the Pravda on the Hudson or the Pravda on the Potomoc anymore when she's at home because of the language I wind up using after reading half the articles/opinions in them. She also leaves the room when the evening news comes on for much the same reason. She's at her jazzercise class right now and I've been getting it out of my system before she comes back. :mad:

Richard's $.02 :munchin

[Utah Bob]

Department of Homeland Insecurity.:mad:

[greenberetTFS]

Terrorists have shown the world time and again that a few well-trained men is all it takes....../quote/Richard,Pravda on the Hudson.........:(

I wonder when they'll just come out and say it,don't the Special Forces have a few well-trained men that served in A-stan and Iraq returning veterans...........:eek:

GB TFS :munchin

[Skelepede]

Who are the extremists again? Is it me or does it seem like President Obama is trying to do irreperable damage to our foreign policy of the last 50 years? Doesnt he realize there will be political backlash in the terms of votes from the Cuban, the Venezuelan, the Armenian population in the USA from even meeting with these people without any pre-conditions? It seems rather than having a cogent plan for foreign policy he simply reversing, and rolling back things as far back as the Monroe Doctrine. It's one thing to meet with Chavez, quite another to look like you're happy to be doing it.

[Warrior-Mentor]

It should be no surprise to any thinking individual one who has read the above article from the NYT news section, rather than the editorial page, why that liberal, military loathing, America-hating rag, and most of the rest of the similar left wing print media is headed into oblivion.


Most here have seen the articles that the NYT is headed for bankruptcy...

So as I picked up my coffee this morning, couldn't help but wonder...how many more papers could they sell if they changed their price from $1.50 to let's say...$1.00?

..but they'd rather go bankrupt than validate the Republican's lower tax theory...

[Pete]

.... Doesnt he realize there will be political backlash in the terms of votes from the Cuban, the Venezuelan, the Armenian population in the USA from even meeting with these people without any pre-conditions? .....

No worries - ACORN can make up the difference.

[echoes]

NYT loves to paint Service Members and Veterans as VICTIMS.

They fail to understand the Warrior-mentality:

"That which does not kill us makes us STRONGER." - Nietzsche

...and those injured or killed are NOT VICTIMS - they are HEROES.

They volunteered...every last one of them...to pick up arms and to defend our country.

For that we should honor them and cherish their sacrifice.

Just wanted to peek in here slowly, and say,

Outstanding Post Sir!

Thank You for enunciating so beautifully, how so many of us feel!

Okay, back in my lane now.:o

Holly

[greenberetTFS]

NYT loves to paint Service Members and Veterans as VICTIMS.

They fail to understand the Warrior-mentality:

"That which does not kill us makes us STRONGER." - Nietzsche

...and those injured or killed are NOT VICTIMS - they are HEROES.

They volunteered...every last one of them...to pick up arms and to defend our country.

For that we should honor them and cherish their sacrifice.

Sir, Excellent post.... However,you do know who Nietzsche was don't you?

GB TFS :munchin

[Shar]

I actually think the drawing below is too flattering to "Janet from another planet." I'm with TS - I think she needs to be at Burger King, just not one on post. I wouldn't trust her flipping burgers eaten by soldiers.

In a strange way I'm hoping these types of incidents continue to happen because in my ever-hopeful mind, it will just ensure Obama is a one-term President. He and his pals are managing to tick off just about everyone.

[echoes]

I actually think the drawing below is too flattering to "Janet from another planet." I'm with TS - I think she needs to be at Burger King, just not one on post. I wouldn't trust her flipping burgers eaten by soldiers.

In a strange way I'm hoping these types of incidents continue to happen because in my ever-hopeful mind, it will just ensure Obama is a one-term President. He and his pals are managing to tick off just about everyone.

Very well said Shar!

And good to see you, btw! :)

Holly

[Richard]

Says it all...;)

Richard's $.02 :munchin

[Sigaba]

NYT loves to paint Service Members and Veterans as VICTIMS.

It isn't just the New York Times that paints veterans as victims. IMHO, as a candidate, the current president had spoken of veterans as such during his acceptance speech of his party's nomination.

During that speech (here (http://www.demconvention.com/barack-obama/)), which was exceptional only for its meandering mendacity, that man said:

We are more compassionate than a government that lets veterans sleep on our streets....

As Commander-in-Chief, I will never hesitate to defend this nation, but I will only send our troops into harm's way with a clear mission and a sacred commitment to give them the equipment they need in battle and the care and benefits they deserve when they come home.

What is missing from the equation is:

the responsibility America's civilian leadership has to give the armed services the means to prepare for combat operations well before the battles begin;
the value of the professional judgment of the armed services in the formulation of grand strategy, and;
the role veterans play in stabilizing American civilization after they leave the service. It is not by accident that civilians who have never served appreciate and quietly seek to learn from many of the veterans they know.

Instead, the man made it clear that he would treat veterans as, at best, dependents of the American state. This sensibility is evident at the president's website here (http://www.whitehouse.gov/agenda/veterans/).

Now we have more evidence that the benefits he promised to veterans are not in fulfillment of a sacred contract. Instead those benefits are cynically offered as the carrot. Now we see the stick: the uninformed, hateful DHS profile of the veteran as potential 'rightwing extremists.'

The message to the sheep dogs is increasingly clear.

[greenberetTFS]

I actually think the drawing below is too flattering to "Janet from another planet." I'm with TS - I think she needs to be at Burger King, just not one on post. I wouldn't trust her flipping burgers eaten by soldiers.

In a strange way I'm hoping these types of incidents continue to happen because in my ever-hopeful mind, it will just ensure Obama is a one-term President. He and his pals are managing to tick off just about everyone.

Shar, Great Avitar,Is that your son fishing?

GB TFS

[Shar]

Shar, Great Avitar,Is that your son fishing?

GB TFS

Not to hijack, but yes. He's a few years older now. It was when we were in upstate NY stationed at Fort Drum. Since that point we haven't really been able to go fishing much because my husband is potential prey to domestic terror groups because he's been serving his country too much. :boohoo

The whole thing is the biggest farce ever. I grew up in a house that had the Anarchist's Cookbook on the bookshelf because my dad was an EOD guy among other things. He's the most moderated, soft-spoken, logical guy I know - certainly not fodder for some extremist group. (Although, he's stockpiling ammo, but I think that's just because he's smart.)

And my husband? He's more moderate than I am and certainly does a better job of seeing the other side's POV. To go and paint him with a broad brush like that just hacks me.

[Rose]

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[alright4u]

This far left DHS witch needs to resign. I do not think she could get a real job anywhere. Hell, no fast food joint wants to hear her mouth.

[Richard]

And the backlash keeps on coming. ;)

Richard's $.02 :munchin

[Ret10Echo]

This is like some sort of ridiculous cartoon....children do this sort of stuff :mad:

"Ooooohhh see we don't just target those on the Right..."



FBI Adds Berkeley 'Animal Rights Extremist' to 'Most Wanted' Terrorist List

An "animal rights extremist" from Berkeley, Calif., was added to the FBI's "Most Wanted" list of terror suspects, federal agents said Tuesday.

Daniel Andreas San Diego, a 31-year-old computer specialist, has been on the run since 2003 and is wanted in two bombings that year of corporate offices in California, said Michael J. Heimbach, an assistant director of the FBI's counterrorism division.

"He is a known animal rights extremist," Heimbach told reporters Tuesday at a Washington, D.C., news conference.

He added that San Diego set an improvised explosive device in the bombings that caused "extensive property damage and economic hardship."

"The investigation revealed that metal nails were used in the construction of the device to create a more forceful effect," Heimbach said.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,517233,00.html

[The Reaper]

This is like some sort of ridiculous cartoon....children do this sort of stuff :mad:

"Ooooohhh see we don't just target those on the Right..."



FBI Adds Berkeley 'Animal Rights Extremist' to 'Most Wanted' Terrorist List

An "animal rights extremist" from Berkeley, Calif., was added to the FBI's "Most Wanted" list of terror suspects, federal agents said Tuesday.

Daniel Andreas San Diego, a 31-year-old computer specialist, has been on the run since 2003 and is wanted in two bombings that year of corporate offices in California, said Michael J. Heimbach, an assistant director of the FBI's counterrorism division.

"He is a known animal rights extremist," Heimbach told reporters Tuesday at a Washington, D.C., news conference.

He added that San Diego set an improvised explosive device in the bombings that caused "extensive property damage and economic hardship."

"The investigation revealed that metal nails were used in the construction of the device to create a more forceful effect," Heimbach said.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,517233,00.html

http://www.professionalsoldiers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22903:D

TR

[abc_123]

And the backlash keeps on coming. ;)

Richard's $.02 :munchin

I'm waiting for Al and Jesse to lead protests for us any minute now. :munchin

[longrange1947]

I'm waiting for Al and Jesse to lead protests for us any minute now. :munchin

I think I just tasted my breakfast again for a moment.

[Ret10Echo]

http://www.professionalsoldiers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22903:D

TR

Drat!.....

[wet dog]

"The Bonus Army, an American Epic" by Paul Dickson and Thomas B. Allen.

[Bordercop]

http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/DHS_extremism_report/2009/05/14/214324.html

Perge Sed Caute

[Smokin Joe]

http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/DHS_extremism_report/2009/05/14/214324.html

Perge Sed Caute

That is some real bullshit right there.... After she initially defends the report tooth and nail now she comes out with this... "Oh wait we didn't release the info... it, it was an unauthorized release..."

[Skelepede]

Well, it seems to be working for Nancy Pelosi.

[Smokin Joe]

Well, it seems to be working for Nancy Pelosi.

F*** her too!

Lying bitches!