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A month ago we had the MIAC report.....now a couple more. If I didn't know better I'd say were getting prepped for something.
http://www.preparemetrokc.org/Know_the_Risks/terrorism.asp
http://www.americanpatrol.com/DHS/2008-UP/PDF/AmericanTerrorists090412.pdf
The Inner-Party finds it is a lot easer to organize and intimidate the Proles when they know you are watching them for anti-social behavior..
The Inner-Party finds it is a lot easer to organize and intimidate the Proles when they know you are watching them for anti-social behavior..
Then that would lend itself to the Orwellian mindset/paranoia on both ends of the spectrum, in that the (as example) local government is paranoid that it's citzens are buying too many guns and ammo, and local citizen is paranoid about getting singled out for buying guns and ammo.
Sounds like the making of a volatile mixture if people aren't careful.
The Reaper
04-13-2009, 06:38
Well, here is what they (our Department of Homeland Security) are saying about us. Must be getting their info from the same SPLC rags that the MIAC used.
Welcome home, thanks for your service, now report to the re-education center, extremist military scum.:rolleyes:
TR
The possible passage of new restrictions on firearms and the return of military veterans facing significant challenges reintegrating into their communities could lead to the potential emergence of terrorist groups or lone wolf extremists capable of carrying out violent attacks.
Proposed imposition of firearms restrictions and weapons bans likely would attract new members into the ranks of rightwing extremist groups, as well as potentially spur some of them to begin planning and training for violence against the government. The high volume of purchases and stockpiling of weapons and ammunition by rightwing extremists in anticipation of restrictions and bans in some parts of the country continue to be a primary concern to law enforcement.
Returning veterans possess combat skills and experience that are attractive to rightwing extremists. DHS/I&A is concerned that rightwing extremists will attempt to recruit and radicalize returning veterans in order to boost their violent capabilities....
Disgruntled Military Veterans
DHS/I&A assesses that rightwing extremists will attempt to recruit and radicalize returning veterans in order to exploit their skills and knowledge derived from military training and combat. These skills and knowledge have the potential to boost the capabilities of extremists—including lone wolves or small terrorist cells—to carry out violence. The willingness of a small percentage of military personnel to join extremist groups during the 1990s because they were disgruntled, disillusioned, or suffering from the psychological effects of war is being replicated today.
— After Operation Desert Shield/Storm in 1990-1991, some returning military veterans—including Timothy McVeigh—joined or associated with rightwing extremist groups.
— A prominent civil rights organization reported in 2006 that “large numbers of potentially violent neo-Nazis, skinheads, and other white supremacists are now learning the art of warfare in the [U.S.] armed forces.”
— The FBI noted in a 2008 report on the white supremacist movement
that some returning military veterans from the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have joined extremist groups.
Well, here is what they (our Department of Homeland Security) are saying about us. Must be getting their info from the same SPLC rags that the MIAC used.
Welcome home, thanks for your service, now report to the re-education center, extremist scum.:rolleyes:
TR
They are slowly prepping the Battlefield for their big move on Guns.
Dangerous Vets, Southern Border Gun shows, Mexican Gang's, Recent shootings, etc.....
The Attorney General has stated that the 2nd Amendment will not stand in his way. Lets see how much he will try to stomp on it.
Well, here is what they (our Department of Homeland Security) are saying about us.
Note to Government Agencies: Simple solution - just don't give me a reason to consider joining any 'extremist' groups.
Richard's $.02 :munchin
Note to Government Agencies: Simple solution - just don't give me a reason to consider joining any 'extremist' groups.
Richard's $.02 :munchin
Richard
You are being toooooo Simple and making tooooo much sense. It will never work.......:D
Team Sergeant
04-13-2009, 09:49
Note to Government Agencies: Simple solution - just don't give me a reason to consider joining any 'extremist' groups.
Richard's $.02 :munchin
I had the same thoughts.....;)
It took but a few seconds for an amateur to turn off the phones to 50,000 individuals, just imagine what a trained professional can do........;)
The NRA has said it for years and I feel the same, you can have my guns when you pry them from my cold dead fingers.
The NRA has said it for years and I feel the same, you can have my guns when you pry them from my cold dead fingers.
I only have a Winchester Model 25 12-Gauge with 2 3/4" chamber and a Ruger Super Blackhawk .44 Mag revolver for home protection - and feel exactly the same way.
My rule of thumb is to always aim low 'cause them political skunks will be comin' in my front door ridin' on the bellies of snakes. ;)
Richard's $.02 :munchin
Team Sergeant
04-13-2009, 10:20
A month ago we had the MIAC report.....now a couple more. If I didn't know better I'd say were getting prepped for something.
http://www.preparemetrokc.org/Know_the_Risks/terrorism.asp
http://www.americanpatrol.com/DHS/2008-UP/PDF/AmericanTerrorists090412.pdf
I just visited that web page and I'm still laughing. :D The "Seven Signs of Terrorism", I have tears in my eyes I'm laughing so hard.
preparemetrokc.org/Know_the_Risks/terrorism.asp
Homeland Security = Amateur's
"The possible passage of new restrictions on firearms and the return of military veterans facing significant challenges reintegrating into their communities could lead to the potential emergence of terrorist groups or lone wolf extremists capable of carrying out violent attacks."
Whatever moron wrote this is in need of re-educating. I was in the military 20 years and never felt the need of "reintegrating into society", America is home to me, I've never left Her and therefore have no need to reintegrate.
[Where's my Insurgency manual......]
Personally, I think it's pretty dumb to keep putting out generally stupid, make-work memos like these. Anybody ever see what a dairy bull will do if you keep shooting it in the testicles with a BB gun until it realizes they're sore and you're the source of the soreness? ;)
Richard's $.02 :munchin
The Reaper
04-13-2009, 10:35
I'd say that it is pretty shortsighted to be focusing on right-wing domestic extremism when most of the recent terrorist attacks in the US were committed by young male members of a religious extremist group that the POTUS has declared we are NOT having a war with right now.
TR
If our DHS and federal government LEO's were truly worried about domestic terrorism, they should redirect there efforts: The radicalized prisoner converts to muslim sects in US federal and state prisons, MS13 and the mexican / russian mafias would be my priorities for infiltration, intelligence and counterterrorist operations.
I just visited that web page and I'm still laughing. :D The "Seven Signs of Terrorism", I have tears in my eyes I'm laughing so hard.
preparemetrokc.org/Know_the_Risks/terrorism.asp
Homeland Security = Amateur's
"The possible passage of new restrictions on firearms and the return of military veterans facing significant challenges reintegrating into their communities could lead to the potential emergence of terrorist groups or lone wolf extremists capable of carrying out violent attacks."
Whatever moron wrote this is in need of re-educating. I was in the military 20 years and never felt the need of "reintegrating into society", America is home to me, I've never left Her and therefore have no need to reintegrate.
[Where's my Insurgency manual......]
I hear ya, TS!!
I wonder if their definition of "significant challenges reintegrating into their communities" really means "not being an Obama supporting lefty zombie"?:confused: They make it sound as if anyone who has spent any amount of time in the military is "institutionalized". Before too long, veterans and retirees will be forced to go to "re-education" forums (I use forum because it sounds a little more PC than CAMP).
I just love the "Redirection" toward "terrorism". It really makes me wonder what else "They" have up their sleeves.
Team Sergeant
04-13-2009, 15:55
I hear ya, TS!!
I wonder if their definition of "significant challenges reintegrating into their communities" really means "not being an Obama supporting lefty zombie"?:confused: They make it sound as if anyone who has spent any amount of time in the military is "institutionalized". Before too long, veterans and retirees will be forced to go to "re-education" forums (I use forum because it sounds a little more PC than CAMP).
I just love the "Redirection" toward "terrorism". It really makes me wonder what else "They" have up their sleeves.
That and the fact we are the ones that have sworn to defend the "Constitution of the United States of America."
It should make the simple minded folks (and sheep) out there wonder why military members seem to object more than the average joe.
Freedom, it's worth fighting for....
TS
Freedom, it's worth fighting for...
A effin' men to that!
Richard's $.02 :munchin
"The FBI noted in a 2008 report on the white supremacist movement
that some returning military veterans from the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have joined extremist groups"
"A prominent civil rights organization reported in 2006 that “large numbers of potentially violent neo-Nazis, skinheads, and other white supremacists are now learning the art of warfare in the [U.S.] armed forces.”
If for no other reason, these quotes have gotta make you love the FeeBIes.
LEO's have known for years that gangs have been sending "clean" family members/friends into the military for training.
I guess making it a race issue its easier for the Sheeples to swallow and not see the real threat?
The Reaper
04-14-2009, 15:35
"The FBI noted in a 2008 report on the white supremacist movement
that some returning military veterans from the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have joined extremist groups"
"A prominent civil rights organization reported in 2006 that “large numbers of potentially violent neo-Nazis, skinheads, and other white supremacists are now learning the art of warfare in the [U.S.] armed forces.”
If for no other reason, these quotes have gotta make you love the FeeBIes.
LEO's have known for years that gangs have been sending "clean" family members/friends into the military for training.
I guess making it a race issue its easier for the Sheeples to swallow and not see the real threat?
That seems to be the root cause of all evil, according to the Southern Poverty Law Center, which is where the Feds seem to be getting their "intelligence" from.
TR
Go Devil
04-14-2009, 16:24
Frankly, I was disgusted that they dropped the race card; I thought that was reserved for the s!!t stirring wing of the media.
They really chose a broad brush for this one.
Are they pushing for a confrontation?
The Department of Homeland Security is warning law enforcement officials about a rise in "rightwing extremist activity," saying the economic recession, the election of America's first black president and the return of a few disgruntled war veterans could swell the ranks of white-power militias.
Unbelievable! So let me get this straight ... nevermind that we have a free flow of explosives/ordnance coming from El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras that is directly shipped to the Gulf and Sinoloa Cartels on our South West Border, ignore those Saudi purchased mosques throughout the country that CAIR calls "moderates", surely there is no reason to fear those autonomous teams dropping martyrdom tapes from major US cities onto YOU TUBE, as now the Department of Homeland Security has identified the new threat for me and all law enforcement...... it will be my son, when he returns from his second tour in Iraq, all because the economy is down, and Barry is President.
A footnote attached to the report by the Homeland Security Office of Intelligence and Analysis defines "rightwing extremism in the United States" as including not just racist or hate groups, but also groups that reject federal authority in favor of state or local authority
Heres a little intel that I'd like to share with the Homeland Security Office of Intelligence and Analysis - the fucking Beatles have broken up - start from there and work your way into a CURRENT, REALISTIC, intel packet to disseminate and maybe, just maybe, you won"t alienate most of the State and Local LEO's you NEED to work with - and survive as an agency.
And in time inshallah, with a lot of luck and decades of hard work, you just may get yourself removed from the irrelevant side of the tracks.......
They release this report days before the Tea Parties......a mere coincidence????
The Washington Times reports that our Magical Leader is distancing himself from the report...(maybe future victim for a trip under the Obama Express)
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/apr/14/federal-agency-warns-of-radicals-on-right/print/
Tuesday, April 14, 2009
Federal agency warns of radicals on right
Audrey Hudson (Contact) and Eli Lake (Contact)
The Department of Homeland Security is warning law enforcement officials about a rise in "rightwing extremist activity," saying the economic recession, the election of America's first black president and the return of a few disgruntled war veterans could swell the ranks of white-power militias.
A footnote attached to the report by the Homeland Security Office of Intelligence and Analysis defines "rightwing extremism in the United States" as including not just racist or hate groups, but also groups that reject federal authority in favor of state or local authority.
"It may include groups and individuals that are dedicated to a single-issue, such as opposition to abortion or immigration," the warning says.
The White House has distanced itself from the analysis. When asked for comment on its contents, White House spokesman Nick Shapiro said, "The President is focused not on politics but rather taking the steps necessary to protect all Americans from the threat of violence and terrorism regardless of its origins. He also believes those who serve represent the best of this country, and he will continue to ensure that our veterans receive the respect and benefits they have earned."
The nine-page document was sent to police and sheriff's departments across the United States on April 7 under the headline, "Rightwing Extremism: Current Economic and Political Climate Fueling Resurgence in Radicalization and Recruitment."
It says the federal government "will be working with its state and local partners over the next several months" to gather information on "rightwing extremist activity in the United States."
The joint federal-state activities will have "a particular emphasis" on the causes of "rightwing extremist radicalization."
Homeland Security spokeswoman Sara Kuban said the report is one in an ongoing series of assessments by the department to "facilitate a greater understanding of the phenomenon of violent radicalization in the U.S."
The report, which was first disclosed to the public by nationally syndicated radio host Roger Hedgecock, makes clear that the Homeland Security Department does not have "specific information that domestic rightwing terrorists are currently planning acts of violence."It warns that fringe organizations are gaining recruits, but it provides no numbers.
The report says extremist groups have used President Obama as a recruiting tool.
"Most statements by rightwing extremists have been rhetorical, expressing concerns about the election of the first African American president, but stopping short of calls for violent action," the report says. "In two instances in the run-up to the election, extremists appeared to be in the early planning stages of some threatening activity targeting the Democratic nominee, but law enforcement interceded."
When asked about this passage, Secret Service spokesman Ed Donovan said, "We are concerned about anybody who will try to harm or plan to harm any one of our protectees. We don't have the luxury to focus on one particular group at the exclusion of others."
Congressional debates about immigration and gun control also make extremist groups suspicious and give them a rallying cry, the report says.
"It is unclear if either bill will be passed into law; nonetheless, a correlation may exist between the potential passage of gun control legislation and increased hoarding of ammunition, weapons stockpiling, and paramilitary training activities among rightwing extremists," the report said.
The FBI was quoted Monday as saying that, since November, more than 7 million people have applied for criminal background checks in order to buy weapons.
The Homeland Security report added: "Over the past five years, various rightwing extremists, including militias and white supremacists, have adopted the immigration issue as a call to action, rallying point, and recruiting tool."
The report could signify a change in emphasis for Homeland Security under former Arizona Gov. Janet Napolitano. A German magazine quoted Ms. Napolitano as rebranding "terrorism" as "man-made disasters." Since its inception in 2003, the department has focused primarily on radicalization of Muslims and the prospect of homegrown Islamist terrorism.
In January, the same DHS office released a report titled "Leftwing extremists likely to increase use of cyber attacks over the coming decade."
"These types of reports are published all the time. There have actually been some done on the other end of the spectrum, left-wing," Ms. Kuban said.
A similar headline was used in a report issued in January, Ms. Kuban said, although she could not provide the content of the headline.
Ms. Kuban said she did not know how long the new report had been in the making.
"The purpose of the report is to identify risk. This is nothing unusual," said Ms. Kuban, who added that the Homeland Security Department did this "to prevent another Tim McVeigh from ever happening again."
The Homeland Security assessment specifically says that "rightwing extremists will attempt to recruit and radicalize returning veterans in order to exploit their skills and knowledge derived from military training and combat."
Jerry Newberry, director of communications for the Veterans of Foreign Wars, said the vast majority of veterans are patriotic citizens who would not join anti-government militias.
"As far as our military members go, I think that the military is a melting pot of society. So you might get a few, a fractional few, who are going to be attracted by militia groups and other right-wing extremists," he said.
"We have to remember that the people serving in our military are volunteers, they do it because they love their country, and they believe in what our country stands for," he said. "They spent their time in the military defending our Constitution, so the vast majority of them would be repulsed by the hate groups discussed in this report."
The Homeland Security report cited a 2008 FBI report that noted that a small number of returning military veterans from the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have joined extremist groups.
The FBI report said that from October 2001 through May 2008 "a minuscule" number of veterans, 203 out of 23,000, had joined groups such as the Ku Klux Klan, Aryan Nations, the National Socialist Movement, the Creativity Movement, the National Alliance and some skinhead groups.
"Although the white supremacist movement is of concern to the FBI, our assessment shows that only a very small number of people with prior military experience may have an affiliation with supremacist groups," FBI spokesman Richard Kolko said Monday when asked about the FBI report.
A 2006 report from the Southern Poverty Law Center, an organization that monitors white supremacists like the Klan, said that white-power groups had an interest in the kind of training the military provides.
Mark Potok, director of the center's intelligence project, said the Homeland Security report "confirms that white supremacists are interested in the military. There is some concern, and there should be, about returning veterans, one need only think of the example of Timothy McVeigh, who was in the first Iraq war."
Mr. Potok added that he was generally pleased with the report.
"Basically, the report tracks fairly closely with what we have been saying for some time now. They mention us a couple of times, though not by name," he said.
What a steaming pile of...............
Team Sergeant
04-14-2009, 19:44
The report:
http://www.gordonunleashed.com/HSA%20-%20Rightwing%20Extremism%20-%2009%2004%2007.pdf
That and the fact we are the ones that have sworn to defend the "Constitution of the United States of America."
It should make the simple minded folks (and sheep) out there wonder why military members seem to object more than the average joe.Freedom, it's worth fighting for....
TS
I agree... IT SHOULD...but I doubt seriously that it will. The sheeples enjoy wearing their blinders because "if they don't see it.....it didn't happen" mindset. Those of us that have served are VERY INFORMED but because we are so "institutionalized" we are irrational, violent, arrogant, angry..etc. If we speak out, we are militants. <shaking my head...and a big heavy sigh>
Posted by Casey:
A footnote attached to the report by the Homeland Security Office of Intelligence and Analysis defines "rightwing extremism in the United States" as including not just racist or hate groups, but also groups that reject federal authority in favor of state or local authority
Casey, thats interesting. Would that include any Governor....say the Governor of Texas for instance, that would look to the 10th Amendment to protect their states rights against an overbearing and interfering federal government? Or just us former military and average joes and josies that believe "less is more"? I feel your pain, Casey!
charlietwo
04-14-2009, 20:13
The Inner-Party finds it is a lot easer to organize and intimidate the Proles when they know you are watching them for anti-social behavior..
ROFL... Brilliant JJ :D
Ambush Master
04-14-2009, 20:27
Frankly, I was disgusted that they dropped the race card; I thought that was reserved for the s!!t stirring wing of the media.
They really chose a broad brush for this one.
Are they pushing for a confrontation?
Yes!!
They release this report days before the Tea Parties......a mere coincidence????
The Washington Times reports that our Magical Leader is distancing himself from the report...(maybe future victim for a trip under the Obama Express)
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/apr/14/federal-agency-warns-of-radicals-on-right/print/
What a steaming pile of...............
This is Classic "Kent State Riot" 101!!!
A bunch of well meaning people are fixing to "possibly" be ambushed in a set-up by the Left!!
Hide and watch, but stay way clear of these gatherings, wait and see!!
Later
Martin
They release this report days before the Tea Parties......a mere coincidence????
The Washington Times reports that our Magical Leader is distancing himself from the report...(maybe future victim for a trip under the Obama Express)
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/apr/14/federal-agency-warns-of-radicals-on-right/print/
What a steaming pile of...............
Pas... am thinking of attending the Fayetteville Tea Party tomorrow at noon. Wonder if my picture will be taken and I will be put on "some list". :D:lifter
I am sure by now all those Tea Parties are heavily watched, photoed and filed for future reference on subversive groups.
The returning warriors are not draftee. They have true fear in their hearts, for the first time in the History of our country we have an AVF. A standing Army...
I think this paragraph hightlights the concern :
Proposed imposition of firearms restrictions and weapons bans
likely would attract new members into the ranks of rightwing extremist groups,
as well as potentially spur some of them to begin planning and training for
violence against the government. The high volume of purchases and
stockpiling of weapons and ammunition by rightwing extremists in anticipation
of restrictions and bans in some parts of the country continue to be a primary
concern to law enforcement.
I believe Speaker of the House expressed her opinion last week on this issue of gun control.
This Idea jointed with the above is a tinder box in their mind; but you know what they should be concerned
U//FOUO) Returning veterans possess combat skills and experience that are
attractive to rightwing extremists. DHS/I&A is concerned that rightwing
extremists will attempt to recruit and radicalize returning veterans in order to
boost their violent capabilities.
Team Sergeant
04-14-2009, 20:49
I believe Speaker of the House expressed her opinion last week on this issue of gun control.
This Idea jointed with the above is a tinder box in their mind; but you know what they should be concerned
DHS/I&A is concerned that rightwing extremists will attempt to recruit and radicalize returning veterans in order to boost their violent capabilities.
DHS would just crap their collective pants if they found out that some retired combat veterans might want to "radicalize" some of the rightwing extremists........ ;)
Yes!!
This is Classic "Kent State Riot" 101!!!
A bunch of well meaning people are fixing to "possibly" be ambushed in a set-up by the Left!!
Hide and watch, but stay way clear of these gatherings, wait and see!!
Later
Martin
That is a possibility, but I believe the time to stand up is upon us.
I was going to attend one of the two local gatherings, a fractured ankle that requires a cumbersome boot makes me an easy target and a liability so I am resigned to watching.
Otherwise I'd be there.
Pas... am thinking of attending the Fayetteville Tea Party tomorrow at noon. Wonder if my picture will be taken and I will be put on "some list". :D:lifter
I am sure by now all those Tea Parties are heavily watched, photoed and filed for future reference on subversive groups.
I am pretty sure that if there is a list I am already on it :D
This happened the 4th, It's printed, published and released in 10days. The question of an agenda should be clear.
A recent example of the potential violence associated with a rise in rightwing extremism may be found in the shooting deaths of three police officers in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, on 4 April 2009. The alleged gunman’s reaction reportedly was influenced by his racist ideology and belief in antigovernment conspiracy theories related to gun confiscations, citizen detention camps, and a Jewish-controlled “one world government.”
The RACE Card and Prove it
Most statements by rightwing extremists have been rhetorical, expressing concerns about the election of the first African American president, but stopping short of calls for violent action. In two instances in the run-up to the election, extremists appeared to be in the early planning stages of some threatening activity targeting the Democratic nominee, but law enforcement
interceded.
Lets go back two decades to make our case and lets tie it to our policy.
Revisiting the 1990s
U//FOUO) Paralleling the current national climate, rightwing extremists during the 1990s exploited a variety of social issues and political themes to increase group visibility and recruit new members. Prominent among these themes were the militia movement’s opposition to gun control efforts, criticism of free trade agreements (particularly those with Mexico), and highlighting perceived government infringement on civil liberties as well as white supremacists’ longstanding exploitation of social issues such as abortion,
inter-racial crimes, and same-sex marriage. During the 1990s, these issues contributed to the growth in the number of domestic rightwing terrorist and extremist groups and an increase in violent acts targeting government facilities, law enforcement officers, banks, and infrastructure sectors.
Economic Hardship and Extremism
(U//FOUO) Historically, domestic rightwing extremists have feared, predicted, and anticipated a cataclysmic economic collapse in the United States. Prominent antigovernment conspiracy theorists have incorporated aspects of an impending economic collapse to intensify fear and paranoia among like-minded individuals and to attract recruits during times of economic uncertainty. Conspiracy theories involving declarations of martial law, impending civil strife or racial conflict, suspension of the U.S. Constitution, and the creation of citizen detention camps often incorporate aspects of a failed economy. Antigovernment conspiracy theories and “end times” prophecies could motivate extremist individuals and groups to stockpile food, ammunition, and weapons. These teachings also have been linked with the radicalization of domestic extremist individuals and groups in the past, such as violent Christian Identity organizations andextremist members of the militia movement.
WHO ARE THESE GROUPS….???
Christian Identity organizations and extremist members of the militia movement.
Step by Step; it is blatantly obvious that this congress and this president intend to limit, curtail and evidently infringe on your constitutional rights as an act of, and protection of, public safety,,,BUT I SAID THAT IN ANOTHER THREAD ALREADY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(U//FOUO) On the current front, legislation has been proposed this year
requiring mandatory registration of all firearms in the United States. Similar
legislation was introduced in 2008 in several states proposing mandatory taggingand registration of ammunition. It is unclear if either bill will be passed into law; nonetheless, a correlation may exist between the potential passage of gun controllegislation and increased hoarding of ammunition, weapons stockpiling, andparamilitary training activities among rightwing extremists.
(U//FOUO) Open source reporting of wartime ammunition shortages has likely spurred rightwing extremists—as well as law-abiding Americans—to make bulk purchases of ammunition. These shortages have increased the cost of ammunition, further exacerbating rightwing extremist paranoia and leading to further stockpiling activity. Both rightwing extremists and law-abiding citizens share a belief that rising crime rates attributed to a slumping economy make the purchase of legitimate firearms a wise move at this time.
U//FOUO) Weapons rights and gun-control legislation are likely to be hotly contested subjects of political debate in light of the 2008 Supreme Court’s decision in District of Columbia v. Heller in which the Court reaffirmed an individual’s right to keep and bear arms under the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, but left open to debate the precise contours of that right. Because debates over constitutional rights are intense, and parties on all sides have deeply held, sincere, but vastly divergent beliefs, violent extremists may attempt to co-opt the debate and use the controversy as a radicalization tool.
The Reaper
04-15-2009, 14:22
Obviously, having an opposing view is now officially dangerous, and you are going to be put on a watch list.
The thought police, brought to you by President Obama and DHS Secretary Napolitano, coming to arrest you soon. :rolleyes:
TR
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/apr/16/napolitano-stands-rightwing-extremism/
Napolitano stands by 'extremism' report
By Audrey Hudson (Contact) and Eli Lake (Contact) | Thursday, April 16, 2009
Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano said she was briefed before the release of a controversial intelligence assessment and that she stands by the report sent to law enforcement that lists veterans as a terrorist risk to the U.S. and defines "rightwing extremism" as including groups opposed to abortion and immigration....
"Rightwing extremism," the report defines in a footnote on Page 2, goes beyond religious and racial hate groups and extends to "those that are mainly antigovernment, rejecting federal authority in favor of state or local authority, or rejecting government authority entirely."
"It may include groups and individuals that are dedicated to a single issue, such as opposition to abortion or immigration," said the report, which also listed as suspect gun owners and veterans of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars."
Read link for the rest of the story.
greenberetTFS
04-15-2009, 15:37
"It may include groups and individuals that are dedicated to a single issue, such as opposition to abortion or immigration," said the report, which also listed as suspect gun owners and veterans of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars."/quote/ TR
TR,
It's just down right shameful that she would say something as "stupid" as this about our retuning veterans. Sometimes I get so pissed at that woman(?) or is she the man in her lesbian relationship with other women? :rolleyes:
GB TFS :munchin
"It may include groups and individuals that are dedicated to a single issue, such as opposition to abortion or immigration," said the report.
So on top of everything else, the report alleges that today's veterans are incapable of having a coherent political ideology. Instead, they're ready to throw out everything for a single issue. And yet, how many millions of Americans bought hook, line, sinker, and boat (on dry land) the single issue of "change" this past fall? Is the DHS watching those myopic Americans as well?:rolleyes:
(And who was watching the wizard of the blue pencil who let 'slip' the single issue of "immigration?" IIRC, the discussion centers around illegal immigration.)
Just watched an MSM news blurb on this report where they cite the guy who killed the policemen in Pittsburgh as an example - he was a gun enthusiast, a white supremacist, and associated with a second amendment advocacy group - and the economy, unemployment, an African-american POTUS, those disgruntled over the GWOT, usw.
I think they may have left out the proverbial kitchen sink...but am not quite sure about that. ;)
Richard's $.02 :munchin
The Reaper
04-15-2009, 17:46
Just watched an MSM news blurb on this report where they cite the guy who killed the policemen in Pittsburgh as an example - he was a gun enthusiast, a white supremacist, and associated with a second amendment advocacy group - and the economy, unemployment, an African-american POTUS, those disgruntled over the GWOT, usw.
I think they may have left out the proverbial kitchen sink...but am not quite sure about that. ;)
Richard's $.02 :munchin
Probably a conservative Republican.
Thank God he wasn't a veteran as well.
TR
A month ago we had the MIAC report.....now a couple more. If I didn't know better I'd say were getting prepped for something.
I think they were, and will continue, trying to discredit and marginalize the Tea Parties for a start, and in general citizens who believe in the Constitution, small government, capitalism, a strong Military, pro 2nd Amendment etc.
Remember, the left wing is only tolerant if you believe like they believe.
"It may include groups and individuals that are dedicated to a single issue, such as opposition to abortion or immigration," said the report, which also listed as suspect gun owners and veterans of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars."/quote/ TR
TR,
It's just down right shameful that she would say something as "stupid" as this about our retuning veterans. Sometimes I get so pissed at that woman(?) or is she the man in her lesbian relationship with other women? :rolleyes:
GB TFS :munchin
OK We are all OK, Calm Down and do not worry........
We are safe as We are Against Many Issues not just a Single one so We will not be listed.
We Hate Illegals
We Hate Gun Bans
We Hate Censorship
We Hate Gangs
We Hate Illegal Drugs and their Crime that comes with it.
We Hate Ex-Wifes that suck all our money away
We Hate Politicians that can never tell the Truth (Hay they can not help it as they are Politicians)
I am sure people can add to this list..........:munchin
I'm in with all the above, except I don't have an ex-wife. :D
Add one:
We Hate Big Government spending.
Judge Napolitano's take on the DHS report
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nT-BvWg3e1I&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.infowars.com%2Fjudge-napolitano-ron-paul-on-dhs-rightwing-extremism-report%2F&feature=player_embedded
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April 15th, 2009 1:14 PM Eastern
JUDGE ANDREW NAPOLITANO: Six Things You Should Know About the Homeland Security Report on ‘Rightwing Extremism’
By Judge Andrew Napolitano
FOX News Senior Judicial Analyst
Homeland Security Warns of Rise in Right-Wing Extremism
The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) report entitled “Rightwing Extremism: Current Economic and Political Climate Fueling Resurgence in Radicalization and Recruitment”, dated April 7, 2009, which I have read, is apparently an unclassified summary of a larger classified report.
1. The summary contains few proper names, has no footnotes of any significance, lists very few sources, and is drafted with a prejudice against anyone who criticizes the role of the federal government in our lives today. It lumps together in its definition of “rightwing extremism” hate groups, anti-government groups, and single issue groups “such as opposition to abortion or immigration.”
My guess is that the sentiments revealed in the report I read are the tip of an iceberg that the DHS would prefer to keep submerged until it needs to reveal it. This iceberg is the heavy-hand of government; a government with large and awful eyes, in whose heart there is no love for freedom, and on whose face there is no smile.
2. The document itself cautions the reader that the document is “not to be released to the public, the media, or other personnel who do not have a valid need-to-know without prior approval” of the DHS. The document refers to itself as one of a series of intelligence assessments intended to “deter, prevent, preempt, or respond to terrorist attacks against the United States.”
3. The thrust of this report is that in the present environment of economic instability, returning military veterans, those who fear of the loss of Second Amendment-protected rights, those threatened by an African-American president, and those who fear “Jewish ‘financial elites’” could all be a fertile breeding ground for groups whose power and ideas the government hates and fears. The document is essentially a warning for DHS and FBI officials to be on the look-out for rootless persons looking for the comfort of groups as they may be a danger to American security.
4. The summary (unclassified) document is terrifying. One can only imagine what is contained in the classified version. This document runs directly counter to numerous U.S. Supreme decisions prohibiting the government from engaging in any activities that could serve to chill the exercise of expressive liberties. Liberties are chilled, in constitutional parlance, when people are afraid to express themselves for fear of government omnipresence, monitoring, or reprisals. The document also informs the reader that Big Brother is watching both public and private behavior.
5. The whole purpose of the First Amendment is to guarantee open, broad, robust debate on the policies and personnel of the government. The First Amendment presumes that individuals — NOT THE GOVERNMENT — are free to choose what they believe and espouse, what they read and say, and with whom they associate in public and in private. The writers of this abominable report are particularly concerned with the expression of opinions that might be used to fuel ideas that challenge federal authority or favor state and local government over the federal government. Unfortunately, legislation passed during the past eight years gives the DHS and the FBI the tools to monitor everything from a telephone conversation to the keystrokes used on a personal computer without a warrant issued by a federal judge.
6. My guess is that the sentiments revealed in the report I read are the tip of an iceberg that the DHS would prefer to keep submerged until it needs to reveal it. This iceberg is the heavy-hand of government; a government with large and awful eyes, in whose heart there is no love for freedom, and on whose face there is no smile.
alright4u
04-16-2009, 00:00
I have to be very careful as big brother sounds like he is watching me, as if I really care! I do not get paranoid -you far left socialists. I do not make stupid rash decisions. I listen to SF NCO's before making major decisions as Kilburn taught me to.
The only things/persons I love after God, are my country, my wife, my SF friends and our cat. I could care less about Obama. you far left jerks, and; I wish him nor you any harm. You are to be pitied for selling this nation down the river for nothing but your greed. You will answer to your maker. I merely pray your admin does make a socialist country out of what is the greatest nation on earth, and;if you kooks fear a veteran- you had best kiss his fanny for giving you the very freedom to vote, demonstrate, and speak your mind.
I will not join any radical group and do not belong to one unless the SOA, the MOPH, DAV. AMRA, and even the SFA, that I have not joined yet, are considered terrorist and/or anti Obama / homeland security threats.
When a man, who still loves this country far more then his own life, is considered a homeland scurity threat. I am proudly guilty.
Blitzzz (RIP)
04-16-2009, 06:45
Like Reagan said..It's not that they are ignorant, it's that what they know is not true. Blitzzz
Last evening I had the opportunity to speak with a Professor of Economics’ and a current member of the NYFEDRVS bank. The conversation got around to the DHS report concerning veterans and terrorist as home grown. He said something which piqued my interest: “This current administration does not understand the concept of economic equilibrium; they only understand the power of suggestion”.
He did not elaborate and I did not want to press the issue in a mixed group. Though, in my interpretation of the DHS document is nothing but suggestion. A cursory review quickly exposes this and their concerns, as they have aligned them with the political agenda they want to impose on those of us with an alternate point of view.
The media coverage of this issue that I have watched is dismissive of any deep concerns. Basically, labeling it a miss step, by underlings at the DHS & the WH. CNN went as far as tying the report to Bush, stating that it was commission under his administration, but released under the current one. There was no explanation offered to explain the time line conflict btw the shooting in Pittsburg Pa. on the 4th and its inclusion in the doc released on the 14th. Again, in my mind, the document is the administrations vehicle to create fear. It is the first and most important step in presenting and instituting their policy, and solidifying their power base.
Here in America we are descended in blood and in spirit from revolutionists and rebels - men and women who dare to dissent from accepted doctrine. As their heirs, may we never confuse honest dissent with disloyal subversion.
Dwight D. Eisenhower
TrooperT
04-16-2009, 14:19
[QUOTE=greenberetTFS;259831]"It may include groups and individuals that are dedicated to a single issue, such as opposition to abortion or immigration," said the report, which also listed as suspect gun owners and veterans of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars."/quote/ TR
This really sounds like the talk that Barry got caught giving to the elite in San Francisco while at a private fundraiser on the campaign trail. Remember the "bitter" people that cling to guns and religion that was recorded and subsequently released to the media?
It seems to me that this report merely reflects the current thought held by the Obama administration.
Source is here (http://foxforum.blogs.foxnews.com/2009/04/16/sammon_bill_napolitano/).
Janet Napolitano Admits ‘An Apology Is Owed’
By Bill Sammon
Managing Editor, Washington Bureau, FOX News Channel
Acknowledging that “an apology is owed,” Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano promised Thursday to “meet and clear the air” with veterans groups that were offended by her agency’s report citing “returning veterans” as terrorist risks to the U.S.
“To the extent veterans read it as an accusation,” Napolitano told FOX News, “an apology is owed.”
“I’ll meet with the leaders of some of the veterans groups,” she promised on “FOX & Friends.” “The last thing we want to do is offend or castigate all veterans. To the contrary, let’s meet and clear the air.”
Napolitano said she was briefed on the report, including the warning about returning veterans, before it was released.
Napolitano was attempting to stanch the political damage done by a DHS report that warned law enforcement officials that the recession, the election of the first black president and the return of war veterans could lead to a rise in “rightwing extremist activity.” The warning, which was contained in a footnote to the report, also singled out “opponents to abortion or immigration” as ripe for recruitment by “rightwing extremists.”
“Let me be very clear,” Napolitano told FOX News. “If there’s one part of that report I would re-write — in the wordsmithing, Washingtonese that goes on after the fact — it would be that footnote.”
“I’m not running away from it,” she added. “But I will say it was an assessment — it was not an accusation.”
Napolitano said she was briefed on the report, including the warning about returning veterans, before it was released.
“I have to tell you, I was the United States Attorney for Arizona in the 90’s when Tim McVeigh bombed the Murrow building in Oklahoma City and unfortunately he was a vet — that’s where he got his training,” she said. “And so when I was told about the report, it rang true with me. This has happened in the past.”
In January, DHS issued a warning about “left wing extremists.”
“On the other side of the political spectrum, for example, we have the same in the animal rights category,” Napolitano told FOX. “We have a very, very active community, in the United States, for the protection of animal rights. But occasionally — very rarely, but it does happen, you know it happens — it spills into violence.”
Is Napolitano's comparison to animal rights activists supposed to make veterans who defend Americans feel vindicated?
I just bought one of the Official DHS t-shirts on E-Bay - I can't post what's on the back without being banned - anybody want one? :rolleyes:
Richard's $.02 :munchin
Source is here (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090416/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/napolitano_right_wing_extremists_9/print).
DHS issued report on extremism despite concerns
By EILEEN SULLIVAN, Associated Press Writer Eileen Sullivan, Associated Press Writer 42 mins ago
WASHINGTON – Civil liberties officials at the Homeland Security Department flagged language in a controversial report on right-wing extremists, but the agency issued the report anyway.
The intelligence assessment issued to law enforcement last week said some military veterans could be susceptible to extremist recruiters or commit lone acts of violence. That prompted angry reactions from some lawmakers and veterans' groups.
Homeland Security spokeswoman Amy Kudwa said the report was issued before officials resolved problems raised by the agency's civil rights division about analysts' definition of right-wing extremism.
In a footnote in the report, right-wing extremism was defined as hate-motivated groups and movements, such as hatred of certain religions, racial or ethnic groups. It went on to say, "It may include groups and individuals that are dedicated to a single issue, such as opposition to abortion or immigration."
Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano defended the report Thursday but acknowledged that the definition needs to be changed.
"If there's one part of that report I would rewrite, in the word-smithing, Washington-ese that goes on after the fact, it would be that footnote," Napolitano said Thursday on Fox News.
The same definition was included in the agency's March 26 report on domestic extremism. Both reports were marked "For Official Use Only."
The report cites the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing by military veteran Timothy McVeigh as one instance of a veteran becoming a domestic terrorist.
Several lawmakers, the American Legion and Vets for Freedom took offense to the intelligence review. The Veterans of Foreign Wars defended it as an assessment, not an accusation.
Napolitano said, "We do not mean to suggest that veterans as a whole are at risk of becoming violent extremists."
She also said: "I apologize for that offense. It was certainly not intended."
The top Republican on the House intelligence committee, Michigan's Pete Hoekstra, has asked the director of national intelligence's ombudsman to investigate the Homeland Security report for "unsubstantiated conclusions and political bias."
The senior Democrat of the House committee with oversight of the department said the report raises privacy and civil liberty issues. "This report appears to have blurred the line between violent belief, which is constitutionally protected, and violent action, which is not," Rep. Bennie Thompson, D-Miss., wrote in a letter to Napolitano.
The department's definition of left-wing extremism in the March 26 report includes a reference to violence, stating these groups that embrace anticapitalist, communist or socialist beliefs seek "to bring about change through violent revolution rather than through established political processes."
These reports are part of the department's routine analysis of intelligence information to give to law enforcement agencies guidance on possible security threats.
In February, the department issued a similar warning about possible cyber attacks from left wing extremists. In September, the agency reported that right-wing extremists over the past five years had used the immigration debate as a recruiting tool.
Since September, the agency issued reports on individual foreign and domestic extremist groups such as al-Qaida and Hammerskin Nation, a skinhead organization. The Hammerskin assessment said many of the group's members received military training and fought in Iraq and Afghanistan.
In an Aug. 21, 2007, report, the department put law enforcement on notice that U.S. minorities could be susceptible to al-Qaida propaganda, as the terror group links "jihadist rhetoric to the struggles and grievances of disaffected minority groups."
The latest report has turned into a "political football," said Rep. Jane Harman, D-Calif. Harman, who chairs a House subcommittee on intelligence and information sharing, said the report could have been written more artfully, but added that "it was a well-intended effort to describe to law enforcement what things to look for."
"If the result is to dumb down intelligence products that could prevent the next attack to the homeland, we will all lose," she said.
To me, the question is simple. If the same language were used to describe any social group in America other than veterans, would the report have been published?
Some Democrats get it, others don't. Profiling is profiling.
It seems to me that this report merely reflects the current thought held by the Obama administration.
Well, I haven't heard anyone refute it or call for her resignation.
“To the extent veterans read it as an accusation,” Napolitano told FOX News, “an apology is owed.”
Yeah, so it's Veterans perceptions of how they "read" her comments? :rolleyes:
TrooperT
04-16-2009, 18:36
Well, I haven't heard anyone refute it or call for her resignation.
That should be forthcoming shortly. We don't need attitudes like hers. We've already had Janet Reno back in the 90's. BTW, do you think they are related?
It appears the FBI had it's own investigation going on vets.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123992665198727459.html
Yeah, all you VN vets missed the boat on this one also. Seems nobody wants to probe you yet. :D Might be a good thing.
RT AXE 10
04-17-2009, 08:55
One bird in hand, is worth two birds flying.;)
Team Sergeant
04-17-2009, 09:05
It appears the FBI had it's own investigation going on vets.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123992665198727459.html
Yeah, all you VN vets missed the boat on this one also. Seems nobody wants to probe you yet. :D Might be a good thing.
This is about as stupid as publishing almost every Army Field manual online, oh shit they are "all" online. Well except the Special Forces ones.....I'd bet the DHS is taking a very "serious" look at Special Operations "Veterans".......
Team Sergeant
Veterans a Focus of FBI Extremist Probe
By CAM SIMPSON and GARY FIELDS
WASHINGTON -- The Federal Bureau of Investigation earlier this year launched a nationwide operation targeting white supremacists and "militia/sovereign-citizen extremist groups," including a focus on veterans from Iraq and Afghanistan, according to memos sent from bureau headquarters to field offices.
The initiative, dubbed Operation Vigilant Eagle, was outlined in February, two months before a memo giving a similar warning was issued on April 7 by the Department of Homeland Security.
Disclosure of the DHS memo this week has sparked controversy among some conservatives and veterans groups. Appearing on television talk shows Thursday, Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano defended the assessment, but apologized to veterans who saw it as an accusation.
"This is an assessment of things just to be wary of, not to infringe on constitutional rights, certainly not to malign our veterans," she said on NBC's Today Show.
The documents outlining Operation Vigilant Eagle cite a surge in activity by such groups. The memos say the FBI's focus on veterans began as far back as December, during the final weeks of the Bush administration, when the bureau's domestic counterterrorism division formed a special joint working group with the Defense Department.
A Feb. 23 draft memo from FBI domestic counterterrorism leaders, obtained by The Wall Street Journal, cited an "increase in recruitment, threatening communications and weapons procurement by white supremacy extremist and militia/sovereign-citizen extremist groups."
The FBI said in the memo that its conclusion about a surge in such activities was based on confidential sources, undercover operations, reporting from other law-enforcement agencies and publicly available information. The memo said the main goal of the multipronged operation was to get a better handle on "the scope of this emerging threat." The operation also seeks to identify gaps in intelligence efforts surrounding these groups and their leaders.
The aim of the FBI's effort with the Defense Department, which was rolled into the Vigilant Eagle program, is to "share information regarding Iraqi and Afghanistan war veterans whose involvement in white supremacy and/or militia sovereign citizen extremist groups poses a domestic terrorism threat," according to the Feb. 23 FBI memo.
Michael Ward, FBI deputy assistant director for counterterrorism, said in an interview Thursday that the portion of the operation focusing on the military related only to veterans who draw the attention of Defense Department officials for joining white-supremacist or other extremist groups.
"We're not doing an investigation into the military, we're not looking at former military members," he said. "It would have to be something they were concerned about, or someone they're concerned is involved" with extremist groups.
Mr. Ward said that the FBI's general counsel reviewed the operation before it began, "to make sure any tripwires we set do not violate any civil liberties."
Some Republican lawmakers, talk-show hosts and veterans groups complained this week after the internal DHS assessment cited the potential for the same extremists groups to target returning combat veterans for recruitment. The Democratic chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee, Rep. Bennie Thompson of Mississippi, also echoed the concerns.
The separate DHS assessment, leaked this week after being sent to law-enforcement agencies, said the "willingness of a small percentage of military personnel to join extremist groups during the 1990s because they were disgruntled, disillusioned or suffering from the psychological effects of war is being replicated today." Veterans could draw special attention, the report said, because of their advanced training.
Rep. John Boehner of Ohio, the House Republican leader, said Wednesday he was offended that veterans were characterized as potential domestic terrorists.
Amy Kudwa, a DHS spokeswoman, said Thursday the report was issued before an objection about one part of the document raised by the agency's civil-rights division was resolved. She called it a "breakdown of an internal process" that would be fixed.
The FBI documents show the bureau was working with investigators inside the nation's uniformed services "in an effort to identify those current or former soldiers who pose a domestic terrorism threat." The other agencies working with the FBI are the U.S. Army Criminal Investigative Division, the U.S. Air Force Office of Special Investigations and the Naval Criminal Investigative Service.
Documents detailing the operation are unclassified, but were meant for internal distribution only.
—Evan Perez contributed to this article.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123992665198727459.html
burned_pretzel
04-17-2009, 09:23
This is sickening. People who have bled and fought for this country are more of a risk to it than a President with ties to unrepentant, known violent terrorists like Bill Ayers, and PLO spokesman Rashid Khalidi (http://www.campus-watch.org/article/id/5983). The same President who's politics are more socialist than any in history? But he's no danger to the country, it's defenders are.
What the hell are we coming to?:mad:
I am truly worried.
edit: And further, if people who defend freedom for a living are a threat to this Administration, it doesn't say much for the government's motives, does it? They are worried about defenders of liberty? Then what are they planning
Not trying to sound like a conspiracy theorist, just trying to be cautious.;)
Team Sergeant
04-17-2009, 09:30
This is sickening. People who have bled and fought for this country are more of a risk to it than a President with ties to unrepentant, known violent terrorists like Bill Ayers, and PLO spokesman Rashid Khalidi (http://www.campus-watch.org/article/id/5983). The same President who's politics are more socialist than any in history? But he's no danger to the country, it's defenders are.
What the hell are we coming to?:mad:
I am truly worried.
I am not worried. ;)
Now if the Gov starts rounding up every SF soldier and SEAL past and present then start worrying.;)
We are hiding in plain sight.
TS
burned_pretzel
04-17-2009, 09:36
I am not worried. ;)
Now if the Gov starts rounding up every SF soldier and SEAL past and present then start worrying.;)
We are hiding in plain sight.
TS
Like I said in my edit, I'm not trying to sound like a conspiracy nut. Everything will probably be fine, I just get worked up over this.:o;)
“I have to tell you, I was the United States Attorney for Arizona in the 90’s when Tim McVeigh bombed the Murrow building in Oklahoma City and unfortunately he was a vet — that’s where he got his training,” she said. “And so when I was told about the report, it rang true with me. This has happened in the past.”
I wonder if Napolitano could show me the POI that was used during the MOS training that taught Timothy McVeigh how to build the bomb he used to attack the "Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building" with. She did say "thats where he got his training" so can she point to the point in his career where he gained such non-standard demo training? (Napolitano couldn't even get the name of the building right, but why worry about facts when spin sounds so much better)
If McVeigh had crashed through the building in an armored vehicle her ridiculous comment about his military training would have been hard to dispute. Unfortunately that asshat whose parents named him "timothy" didnt even get past the first gate of SF selection much less into the mythological 'rental truck-fertilizer bomb' training course.
She can apologize all she wants... her voice will forever be jibberish to my ears.
That should be forthcoming shortly. We don't need attitudes like hers. We've already had Janet Reno back in the 90's. BTW, do you think they are related?
Are you a betting man? :D
I do think are related, by party affiliation if nothing else. Everytime I see the "new Janet" I think of the old. Maybe it's all in the name... :eek:
Source is here (http://apnews.myway.com/article/20090425/D97P6KT81.html).
Homeland secretary apologizes to veterans group
Apr 24, 9:42 PM (ET)
By EILEEN SULLIVAN
WASHINGTON (AP) - Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano met with the American Legion on Friday to apologize for a right-wing extremism report written by her agency, and the veterans group walked away from the meeting mollified.
Napolitano blamed one of her agency's analysts for prematurely sending out the intelligence assessment to law enforcement, according to Craig Roberts, an American Legion member who attended the meeting. The report says veterans returning from Iraq or Afghanistan could be susceptible to right-wing recruiters or commit lone acts of violence.
"She essentially admitted fault within her office," Roberts said.
Legion National Commander David Rehbein said, "I think the session in Secretary Napolitano's office will go a long way to help our returning veterans in the future."
After the meeting, Napolitano issued a statement saying the department "has fixed the internal process that allowed this document to be released before it was ready."
The report, one of Homeland Security's periodic assessments, warned that right-wing extremists could use the bad state of the U.S. economy and the election of the country's first black president to recruit members. The analysis said veterans of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars could be targeted by the groups.
It drew angry reactions from Rehbein, conservative bloggers and Republican members of Congress who took to the House floor this week to criticize Napolitano, confirmed to her Cabinet position less than 100 days ago.
"Has this Homeland Security secretary gone absolutely stark raving mad?" Rep. Michele Bachmann, R-Minn, said Wednesday.
"I think the appropriate thing for her to do would be to step down," Rep. Michael Burgess, R-Texas, told Fox News on Thursday.
"Janet Napolitano should resign or be fired," Rep. John Carter, R-Texas, said on Wednesday.
Obama administration aides dismissed the criticism as a "typical Washington game" and "political theater."
Despite the furor among some Republicans, party leaders did not bring it up in a meeting with President Barack Obama and on Thursday. House Republican leader John Boehner had indicated it likely would be discussed Thursday. But his spokesman, Kevin Smith, said the topic was not broached.
White House spokesman Nick Shapiro said the right-wing extremist report originated in the Bush administration and Napolitano was working to keep the nation safe from terrorists.
"She doesn't have time for these games - and neither does the president," Shapiro said.
The veterans issue wasn't the only flap. Earlier this week, Napolitano drew criticism for flubbing an explanation of federal law prohibiting people without proper documents from crossing U.S. borders into the country.
In an interview with CNN, Napolitano, whose career has included stints as a U.S. attorney and attorney general and governor of Arizona, said: "Crossing the border is not a crime per se. It is civil."
While crossing the border illegally is a crime, most illegal immigrants caught in the United States face only civil penalties and deportation.
Sen. Jeff Sessions, R-Ala., characterized Napolitano's statements as one of the most "baffling" he has ever heard from a senior government official.
"It is breathtaking that a Cabinet secretary, bestowed by the public with the responsibility to protect our nation's borders, could be ignorant of the indisputable fact that it is a violation of the criminal code to enter our country illegally," Sessions said.
Napolitano spokesman Sean Smith said: "She may be new to Washington, but she has been around politics for a long time, and she knows political theater when she sees it."
Smith said Napolitano spent 16 years enforcing the law on the Southwest border. "Americans can rest assured that she understands what the law is along the border," he said.
She also has drawn criticism for claiming in an interview that the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorists entered the U.S. across the Canadian border. The Sept. 11 commission found that none came through Canada. But others have, such as the would-be millennium bomber Ahmed Ressam.
Discussing security along the U.S. border on Canada's CBC News on Monday, Napolitano said, "To the extent that terrorists have come into our country or suspected or known terrorists have entered our country across a border, it's been across the Canadian border. There are real issues there."
When asked whether she was talking about the 9/11 terrorists, Napolitano said: "Not just those, but others as well."
Smith on Thursday said Napolitano acknowledged she misspoke and had been thinking of the millennium bomber.
Amateur hour continues. Ms. Napolitano throws a subordinate under the bus and has a spokesperson side step the issue of personal responsibility and then floats two interesting propositions. The first that Ms. Napolitano knows what she's doing. The second that she can think.
Oh, yeah.:rolleyes:
6.8SPC_DUMP
04-25-2009, 14:48
This reminds me a little of what I thought the logic for appointing Scott McClennan to Press Secretary was: to lessen public attention of Executive affairs.
Ari Fleischer was entertaining to listen to - so for less public scrutiny - get a guy that is unbearably boring so people will tune out.
Or
Portray the DHS Sec. as stupid, and the bureaucracy as bumbling, and people will have less concern with monitoring its actions for abuses.
So far this is the second "leak" of DHS profiling along party lines.
After the meeting, Napolitano issued a statement saying the department "has fixed the internal process that allowed this document to be released before it was ready."
That's just great - you stand by the report and the problem was releasing it to the public...
Napolitano spokesman Sean Smith said: "She may be new to Washington, but she has been around politics for a long time, and she knows political theater when she sees it."
Political theater like creating a rift between party lines, by targeting one political parties' ideology, while under the leadership of a President who talked about "bringing people together"?
Ms. Napolitano says, "Veterans returning from Iraq or Afghanistan could be susceptible to right-wing recruiters or commit lone acts of violence."
Guess she left out her Military Service, in her resume, which gives her the authority to make such a charge?:rolleyes: :mad:
Read that She represented Anita Hill in 1991...hmmmm.:confused:
Holly--->looking for tinfoil as we speak...
about this site, is that they're some really smart indivduals here. The older crowd will recognize paterns, the newer guys - pay close attention, "this will be on the test".
"During the summer of 1932, in the depths of the Depression, some 45,000 World War I veterans descended on Washington, D.C., to demand immediate payment of a cash bonus promised them eight years earlier for their wartime service. They lived in shantytowns, white and black together, and for two months they 'rallied' peacefully for their cause - an action that would have profound effect on American history.
Despite their efforts, the bonus bill was defeated in the Senate after passage by the House. President Herbert Hoover, Army Cheif of Staff Douglas MacArthur, and others - fearing the veterans were controlled by Communists and would turn violent - decided they had to be removed from their bivouac near the Capitol. On July 28, 1932, going beyond presidential orders, MacArthur drove the veterans out of the city with tanks, tear gas, and soldiers wielding bayonet-tipped rifles. Upon reading newspaper accounts of the eviction, Democratic candidate Franklin D. Roosevelt, in a critical contest with Hoover for the presidency, said to an adviser, 'This will elect me.'
Yet Roosevelt proved even more determined than Hoover not to pay the bonus, and bonus armies returned in the first three years of his administation. Seeking a solution, Roosevelt sent many to work camps in Florida, where, on Labor Day, 1935, the worst hurricane ever to strike the United States killed some 250 unprotected vets, prompting a New Deal whitewash and cover-up of the facts".
- The Bonus Army, An American Epic, Paul Dickson and Thomas B. Allen
O.K. class, what have we learned? What similaries do we have with today's issues? Can we trust those who wear the same uniform? MacArthur sent troops against his own men, much like Congess did to veterans post the Revolutionary War and before the 1787 passing of our Constitution.
Worse yet, few soldiers under MacArthur failed to "dis-obey" orders many felt were immoral or unjust.
Troops were used just before the onset of our own civil war.
I have a better chance of trusting someone I've shared ground with and bled with. How about you?
greenberetTFS
04-26-2009, 02:27
I just bought one of the Official DHS t-shirts on E-Bay - I can't post what's on the back without being banned - anybody want one? :rolleyes:
Richard's $.02 :munchin
Richard,
Is it a 5x and extra long? :rolleyes:
GB TFS :munchin
Now that VA has included two Black Colleges in it's report the ACLU has jumped into the fight.
http://hamptonroads.com/2009/04/report-region-may-be-hotbed-terrorist-recruiting