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Richard
03-28-2009, 06:37
Another thorny issue for schools/parents/LEOs to have to deal with today brought about by too much technology placed in the hands of immature or undeveloped fore-brains. :(

Richard's $.02 :munchin

The Sadness of "Sexting"
Brent Bozell III, 27 March 2009

Can a child be accused of child pornography? Could a child then be formally charged and convicted of it? These are the questions raised by the disturbing new trend called "sexting," teenagers sending nude or semi-nude pictures around on their cell phones. In some jurisdictions, prosecutors are playing hardball, threatening that students caught with naughty pictures could face jail time and being registered as sex offenders. At a minimum, prosecutors are demanding a 10-hour rehab program.

Does this offense seem too casual to justify throwing the legal book at children? Consider that it's undeniable that if Johnny was a day or two over 18 and was sending around these images, he'd be treated as a sicko -- with prison time a real possibility.

In our litigious culture, it was only a matter of time: Now the "sexting" perpetrators are fighting back. In Wyoming County, Pa., three female students and their parents hired the American Civil Liberties Union to sue the county prosecutor for daring to suggest something wrong was done and insisting a 10-hour "re-education" program was necessary.

It's a thorny issue, to be sure. When legislators passed child-pornography laws, who could have imagined our culture would grow so decadent that children would be distributing nude pictures of themselves to other children? Who also would have predicted that some parents would be unashamed enough of their children's behavior to hire the ACLU and sue authorities for enforcing child-porn laws?

"Prosecutors should not be using a nuclear-weapon-type charge like child pornography against kids who have no criminal intent and are merely doing stupid things," proclaimed the ACLU lawyer, Witold Walczak.

But this is something that just cannot be dismissed as kids "doing stupid things."

"Sexting" has quickly grown from rare to commonplace. A survey of 1,280 teenagers and young adults released in December by the National Campaign to Prevent Teenage and Unplanned Pregnancy and CosmoGirl.com found that 20 percent of teenagers and 33 percent of young adults ages 20 to 26 said they had sent or posted nude or semi-nude photos of themselves.

The numbers were higher for the number who would admit they've received nude or semi-nude images: 31 percent of teens and 46 percent of young adults. They know it rarely stays private: 72 percent of teens and 68 percent of young adults agreed that sexy pictures often end up being "seen by more than the intended recipients."

When the subject of a "sexting" is famous, the image often ends up on the Internet. A nude photo of Vanessa Hudgens, the teenaged female star of Disney's "High School Musical" movies, went from private e-mail to Internet sensation.

It can even end in suicide. People magazine reported that last year, Jessie Logan, a senior at a Cincinnati-area high school, took a nude photo of herself and sent it to a boy she was dating. She then learned the photo was being distributed at four area high schools. Other students began taunting her as a "whore." She hanged herself.

People's article on "sexting" cited the case of two 14-year-old boys in Massachusetts who received a photo of a 13-year-old girl exposing a breast. Parents were shocked that authorities were weighing child-pornography charges. Said one father: "What they did was wrong, but did they know it was wrong? ... These are 14-year-old kids with 14-year-old minds, not adults."

Once parents get over the idea of seventh-grade girls flashing their private parts for the camera, it's clear that teenagers are not identical to adults who would prey on a 13-year-old. It's shocking to imagine ending up on the wrong side of the law by merely receiving an unsolicited pornographic image. Authorities aren't convicting children, but using the law as a teaching tool and trying to put a stop to a toxic new trend.

It's obvious that some experts will be quoted to defend it. The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette found Texas A&M professor Christopher Ferguson, who called the trend unwise, but "We would have done it, too, if we would have had the cool phones. We didn't do it because we didn't have the technology."

The same goes for defense attorneys. Public defender Dante Bertani protested a case of "sexting" teenagers in Greensburg, Pa.: "Law enforcement gets carried away with what they believe is their duty to find everyone who spits on the sidewalk guilty of murder."

Bertani must not have heard of the Cincinnati suicide. He failed to acknowledge that spit on the sidewalk evaporates, but pornographic images can hang around forever on the "cool phones" and the Internet. Prosecutors and parents alike are correct to put the brakes on this mistake wherever it's discovered.

The civil libertarians may wish to reconsider their position. They claim it's a private matter best resolved by parental responsibility. Would it follow that their parental irresponsibility should make the parent the legally liable party?

uboat509
03-28-2009, 09:28
Certainly we have to do what we can to limit this but child pornography charges? Really? Were these people ever teenagers? Do we really want to hang the "sexual predator" label around a teenager for being a teenager? isn't that overkill? Sexual predator is just about the worst label we can hang on somebody. A fifty year old man who wants to look at little girls deserves that label. A fourteen year old who who wants to see other fourteen year olds naked does not.

SFC W

Sigaba
03-30-2009, 15:00
Certainly we have to do what we can to limit this but child pornography charges? Really? Were these people ever teenagers? Do we really want to hang the "sexual predator" label around a teenager for being a teenager? isn't that overkill? Sexual predator is just about the worst label we can hang on somebody. A fifty year old man who wants to look at little girls deserves that label. A fourteen year old who who wants to see other fourteen year olds naked does not.

SFC W

Uboat509--

For what my two cents are worth, I agree. I've seen a couple of news stories about kids getting hammered by child pornography laws. Even though some of the kids and their parents do come across as having a misplaced sense of entitlement and/or a "my kid can do no wrong" mentality, I don't believe that the punishment fits the crime.

I'd like to see cellular carriers partnering with parents to develop methods to prevent "sexting" in the first place--such as service options that automatically forward all text messages sent by minors to their parents. Or carriers could modify terms of use agreements that impose penalties upon account holders who allow underage "sexting."

Or maybe parents could just do their jobs and teach their kids what constitutes appropriate behavior.

Richard
03-30-2009, 16:07
Current case here in a North Texas high school.

Richard's $.02 :munchin

'Sexting' students could face serious charges

Some North Texas high school students could face obscenity charges for "sexting." That's the term for a troubling new phenomenon in which young people send nude photos from cellphones.

It's a new issue for Fort Worth police and the school where it happened, but sexting — texting sexual photographs — is starting to land students in trouble across the country. Police and psychologists say teens simply don't know what they're getting into.

According to police reports, a male student at Northwest High School was seen throwing photographs up in the air in a crowded hallway during a class change. Investigators said the photos turned out to be nude pictures of a 16-year-old girl apparently taken on her cellphone and sent to someone else.

"Anyone involved in this could face charges of obscenity under the state penal code," said Fort Worth police Sgt. Pedro Criado, who added that four suspects are being questioned in the Northwest High case. One of them said he received the photos on his phone, then passed them on to someone else who printed copies.

Officials at Northwest High are also investigating. "This is the first time I've dealt with this," said Principal Rose Brenner.

Licensed therapist J.R. Purnell said the consequences for those involved could be significant — both legally and psychologically — for years to come. "As a matter of fact, it's things like that that have adults coming to see me as clients," Purnell said.

Purnell added that the victim and those who distributed the photos could be traumatized, and the legal ramifications could also follow them for years. "[It's] a felony on their records, so this is very serious. Obviously, students don't realize how serious this is if they're charged with it."

Investigators in Fort Worth said they are still trying to determine exactly who did what.

Police in Pennsylvania recently arrested six high school students for sexting; in Alabama, four middle schoolers were arrested for texting nude photos.

Some students have even been charged with child pornography.

http://www.wfaa.com/sharedcontent/dws/wfaa/latestnews/stories/wfaa090327_wz_sexting.78e6254b.html

uboat509
03-30-2009, 19:50
A Child Pornography charge is a black mark that doesn't wash off. Is it really reasonable to wreck a teenager's life for passing pictures of other teenagers?

SFC W

perdurabo
04-01-2009, 20:23
This will probably offend many here, but I half-suspect that child pornography charges are being brought against these teenagers so the lecherous amongst the LEOs can look at naked teens legally... in the process of an investigation of course...

Dozer523
04-01-2009, 21:36
Why not pick one kid and make sure everyone in the whole school gets his/her (Oh let's pick two) nekked picture and then we'll get everyone talking about them. Oh sure they will either kill themselves or have to get married and move to somewhere but they will be mortified, shamed, embarassed, humiliated. . . and an EXAMPLE to everyone.
It worked when I was in JHS and they posted the picture of the kid picking his nose all over the school. We didn't take our hands out of our pockets for the rest of the year!

Richard
04-02-2009, 05:04
We didn't take our hands out of our pockets for the rest of the year!

Well, pocket pool is not the 'in' thing it once was in JHS/HS. Now it's 'hooking up' and 'sexting' - and OBTW - girls remain 'virgins' because if it isn't vaginal then it is not 'really' sex they are having. :eek:

Life - technologically and socially - is a bit more complex among the underdeveloped forebrain crowd than it was in our day.

Richard's $.02 :munchin

ZonieDiver
04-02-2009, 07:53
and OBTW - girls remain 'virgins' because if it isn't vaginal then it is not 'really' sex they are having.

I guess we have a former POTUS to thank for that particular mindset! :)

Sigaba
08-25-2009, 22:16
Source is here (http://www.breitbart.com/print.php?id=CNG.60b96f71bf4ba4781f8a5d3a49a22a0e. 4a1&show_article=1).

Houston schools ban 'sexting'
Aug 25 12:44 PM US/Eastern
In Houston, Texas, thousands of students are returning to school to discover a new rule: no "sexting" -- the distribution of nude or semi-nude photographs or videos by text message.

In Houston, one of the biggest school districts in the United States, education authorities decided to adopt the new rule before some 200,000 students returned to classes after their summer vacation.

"Some principals raised the issue, so we included a provision saying sending, receiving, possessing sexually suggestive messages is forbidden," said Hans Graff, assistant general counsel at the Houston Independent School district.

"They were reporting that it was an issue and may be becoming more of a problem," he told AFP.

A recent study by the National Campaign to Prevent Teen and Unplanned Pregnancy found 22 percent of US teenage girls and 18 percent of teenage boys have sent messages or posted images or video online showing them nude or semi-nude.

"A student may be sending pictures to their boyfriend and they break up and he sends it to everybody," said Graff.

Aside from the disruption and trauma the practice can cause, Graff warns that the pictures potentially violate child pornography laws that ban sexually suggestive pictures of underage children.

"Any pictures of an underage child could potentially be child pornography and we are not really interested in seeing students punished criminally," he said.

"We want to put them on notice that it's just not something that really belongs in school."
I don't see how this prohibition is going to work, especially without partnering with parents and students. Indeed, Mr. Graff, has acknowledged this point (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/breaking/6527710.html).
Graff acknowledges that policing the behavior will be difficult.

“I don't see us wanting to go look at kids' text messages,” he said. “It's just if it's brought to administrators' attention, this (policy) is there.”

JJ_BPK
08-26-2009, 03:47
Source is here (http://www.breitbart.com/print.php?id=CNG.60b96f71bf4ba4781f8a5d3a49a22a0e. 4a1&show_article=1).


I don't see how this prohibition is going to work, especially without partnering with parents and students. Indeed, Mr. Graff, has acknowledged this point (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/breaking/6527710.html).

It is a CYA for the school district lawyers. If some hormone enraged kid gets caught, they can show they attempted, in good faith, to disallow sexting.

kgoerz
08-26-2009, 04:53
It is a CYA for the school district lawyers. If some hormone enraged kid gets caught, they can show they attempted, in good faith, to disallow sexting.

Your right. Rules like this make it embarrassing to be an Adult.

LarryW
08-26-2009, 06:48
It is a CYA for the school district lawyers. If some hormone enraged kid gets caught, they can show they attempted, in good faith, to disallow sexting.

Concur. Now, what to do about it?

Let the school boards pass resolutions that sexting is prohibited as being an interference to learning, and that those found exchanging sexting messages on cell phones will be referred to their parents and prohibited from carrying cell phones on campus for 6 months. (Muster the violators each morning at the Prin office and do a search. Violations = suspension for 30days, etc.) Focus on keeping it off campus (which you might be able to do) instead of stopping it world wide (which is peeing in the wind). Make it a learning/education issue and not a 1st Amendment issue.

Just my penny worth...

Quartz_MJC
08-26-2009, 07:08
I have a very simple mind, so I have a very simple solution to this problem- No cell phones in school. When I went to school cell phones weren't around and if my parents needed to contact me they called the school office. The office would pull up my schedule, which was not kept on a computer, find the class I was in and call the class. I would go to the office and call my parents at the number they left. Honestly, am I missing something here.

Charging these students with child pornography makes no sense. Doing so only illustrates how laziness of the authorities.

ditchdoc
08-26-2009, 07:45
Where does the parental responsibility come in to play? If that was my son/daughter all the school would have to do is call me and I can assure you it wouldn't take place again.

Slantwire
08-26-2009, 08:05
No cell phones in school.

I agree, and it's been tried elsewhere. It failed because the kids "need cell phones in case there's another Columbine!" :rolleyes:

Sacamuelas
08-26-2009, 08:17
I agree, and it's been tried elsewhere. It failed because the kids "need cell phones in case there's another Columbine!" :rolleyes:

Not in the schools down here. The policy below comes straight from the school board website. Of note, this policy is actually enforced with few if any exceptions. I have two different neighbors that received the joy of paying for a cell phone plan for an entire year... while the phones were impounded at the school. haha

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"To avoid interruptions to the instructional program, it is the policy of this school district that no cell phones, pagers, Walkmans, games, iPods, or other electronic devices shall be brought into the school building, with the exception of district-issued cell phones/pagers permitted to be used by district personnel in accordance with policy.

Such items brought into the school building in violation of this policy will be secured by the administration until released to the student's parent/guardian at the end of the school year. Failure to comply will result in the student's placement on the discipline ladder. There shall be no exceptions.

Note: This policy is nearly identical to the district policy in effect prior to July 2005. The policy from July 2005 to February 2006 permitted these items to be returned to parents/guardians, on the first offense, after 30 days. Because of issues related to text messaging and photos taken by students with camera phones, this policy was revised in February 2006."
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