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The Reaper
06-22-2004, 17:47
What made this mess in less than 60 seconds?
TR
Ambush Master
06-22-2004, 17:58
A GAU Mini-Gun !!!! Unless you just Dumped that ammo crate full on empties on the Ground !!:D
The Reaper
06-22-2004, 18:25
Well, Hell, that took you 11 minutes.
What were you doing, drinking a beer?
Who says that a FOG can't have fun at work? Helps to have good friends with nice toys, and Gummint ammo.
TR
The Reaper
06-22-2004, 18:28
Wanna see a pic of the shoot?
TR
Here he goes again, making us ask to see pictures.....
First the knife, now this.
:munchin
And Yes, He was
The Reaper
06-22-2004, 18:36
Originally posted by Air.177
Here he goes again, making us ask to see pictures.....
First the knife, now this.
:munchin
And Yes, He was
11 minutes, I don't know, might have been two beers.
Do ya' have one of these, AM?
About 1/2 seconds worth of brass you see flying in the pic.
TR
Bill Harsey
06-22-2004, 18:44
Originally posted by The Reaper
What made this mess in less than 60 seconds?
TR Whew! for a second there I'd thought we'd failed to sweep your driveway before leaving.
Ambush Master
06-22-2004, 18:49
We had one at CCC that we had "Procured" from an Aviation unit in Pleiku that was mounted in a Deuce & a Half Trailer. Complete with a magazine for Perimeter Defence. I was shooting it one evening and started smelling something weird, then I felt the HEAT, I was over ankle deep in HOT BRASS !!! The smell was the leather and the rubber soles of my Jungle Boots !! It didn't have a Flash Hider though and you couldn't see shit after you fired it !!
Later
Martin
The Reaper
06-22-2004, 18:53
This one worked real nice, mounted on the top of a HMMWV.
Can you say convoy security?
Wanna pop up with an AK and face that down?
TR
The Reaper
06-22-2004, 18:55
Originally posted by Bill Harsey
Whew! for a second there I'd thought we'd failed to sweep your driveway before leaving.
No, no, that would have been empty beer cans and whiskey bottles.
Maybe an odd steel fencepost or two.
TR
Peregrino
06-22-2004, 21:42
TR - I'm jealous! If I'd known what you guys were going to be playing with I would have broken down and put on a uniform one more time. The important question - are they going to put it in the mix with the M2/Mk19 for the DMVs or was this JFTFOI? I really like the idea of using it in convoy security. Did they address the ammo supply issue? Without using a trailer? YIS - Peregrino
Should I assume you 'aim' using tracers?
The Reaper
06-22-2004, 21:56
Originally posted by Peregrino
TR - I'm jealous! If I'd known what you guys were going to be playing with I would have broken down and put on a uniform one more time. The important question - are they going to put it in the mix with the M2/Mk19 for the DMVs or was this JFTFOI? I really like the idea of using it in convoy security. Did they address the ammo supply issue? Without using a trailer? YIS - Peregrino
Wish you had.
Not sure what the BOIP is, ask Gary. I do believe that any idiots who are unimpressed by the M-240 may get a real shock when this baby opens up. Expensive, but much less than the new 40mm auto grenade launcher.
3,000 round mag, runs off its own battery, low drain. Didn't ask too many more questions.
Razor, they started out using an EOTech, but the batteries went flat and so they just used the top rail and adjusted with the tracers. At 3,000rpm, with 4+1, you are getting about 10 tracers per second, so it isn't too hard to see.
TR
I don't think you can fully appreciate a weapon like that until you see it in real life.
Is there any chance for a video of the next firing?
Thank you,
Solid
The Reaper
06-23-2004, 06:50
Originally posted by Huey14
I don't think you can fully appreciate a weapon like that until you see it in real life.
Concur.
No video unless someone sends me a nice new camera to capture it with.
Last shot.
TR
Psywar1-0
06-23-2004, 06:52
Why only a 3000 round can? Go with the new dillon 4400 round cans. They do make an attachments for brass and link chutes so they dont end up in the floor of the vehicle. Yall need a Minigun expert up there:D
The Reaper
06-23-2004, 06:56
Originally posted by Psywar1-0
Why only a 3000 round can? Go with the new dillon 4400 round cans. They do make an attachments for brass and link chutes so they dont end up in the floor of the vehicle. Yall need a Minigun expert up there:D
Because as I understand it, 3,000 is about all it can stand if you were to go cyclic and burn through it all in one long burst.
The way it is set up, the brass all goes on or off the side of the roof, none inside the vehicle, which is a good thing.
You can make your recommendation to NWSC Crane, or to the Force Mod guys if you want. I can hook you up.
Don't think they are hiring Urdu speaking PSYOP guys to be gunslingers, but I am aware of your GE expertise.
TR
Psywar1-0
06-23-2004, 07:11
Ah, you have the duel rate GAU, well since we are talking army M-134. I know the folks at Crane, they are our source for everything minigun also. I know yall have it covered, but think extra feeders, Immediate Action for jams ect. The weakest link is the Can and feed chute.
BTW I returned the Urdu CD's, staying in my lane now, try and leave Latam and got my pee pee smacked :D
Just two A-Teams patrolling BIAP road. I'd have the entire stretch secured in a week!:D
Peregrino
06-23-2004, 20:14
Originally posted by Psywar1-0
Why only a 3000 round can? Go with the new dillon 4400 round cans. They do make an attachments for brass and link chutes so they dont end up in the floor of the vehicle. Yall need a Minigun expert up there:D
Got to love that Dillon guy - He makes/modifies some really nice toys. The SWCS Media Gurus did an immediate action video of the minigun for non-aviation types not too long ago that included the standard version and the Dillon mods (feed system). Some of the guys in the office had a "blast" being "models" (none as good looking as Dillon's "Machinegun Magic" crew). TR - Do you know who they "borrowed" the rig from and which version it was? YIS Peregrino
The Reaper
06-23-2004, 20:30
Originally posted by Peregrino
TR - Do you know who they "borrowed" the rig from and which version it was? YIS Peregrino
Weapons Center Crane brought it down.
It was not the dual rate version, it was single rate, 3000 rpm.
GD Gary has the specs on it, if you are interested.
TR
Psywar1-0
06-23-2004, 22:08
My only concern would be extreme movements, that would bind the feed chute and cause the belt to start to seperate. That causes timing problems/jams.
Roguish Lawyer
06-24-2004, 10:43
Originally posted by Psywar1-0
My only concern would be extreme movements, that would bind the feed chute and cause the belt to start to seperate. That causes timing problems/jams.
Oh, I see how you are. Your idea of psywar is to just let the enemy hear that minigun firing a few thousand rounds? LOL
Does it come in coyote brown?
;)
geronimo
06-25-2004, 19:35
Who is the guy shooting in the last pic? He looks like my old PSG.
I am more of a fan of the dual rate gun if it's not hard mounted to keep down on the jams. The rounds have quite a tendency to snag in the shoot as you traverse, which stretches the links and causes some horrible jams. With the lower rate you can get on target and then cycle up as needed. Just a couple things I learned about when I watched the dillon video. ;) And for gods sakes get a "laser"!
Psywar1-0
06-28-2004, 04:43
Originally posted by Roguish Lawyer
Oh, I see how you are. Your idea of psywar is to just let the enemy hear that minigun firing a few thousand rounds? LOL
Ive not done much in the way of Psyop for about 3 years. LOL, Lately Ive been spending my days working on miniguns, and watching HN guys shoot down their own helos with them. No not another helo, the one that the mini was mounted in.
BadMuther
06-28-2004, 12:00
Stupid question...that looks like .223 brass, not .308...is it?
Ambush Master
06-28-2004, 12:05
Originally posted by BadMuther
Stupid question...that looks like .223 brass, not .308...is it?
Go back to the first page, look at the size of the Feed Chute and the empties as they are being ejected. Compare that to the size of the Operator's Hands. That is .308 (7.62) !!!
BadMuther
06-28-2004, 12:08
Gotcha...I'll take your word that it's 7.62....only miniguns I was around were on taskforce boards......
(which apparently fire just by spinning the barrel with your hands! Another Ranger found that out!)
The Reaper
06-28-2004, 12:11
Originally posted by BadMuther
Gotcha...I'll take your word that it's 7.62....only miniguns I was around were on taskforce boards......
(which apparently fire just by spinning the barrel with your hands! Another Ranger found that out!)
Yep, 7.62.
Saw a few rounds cranked off manually when rotating the barrels with a Leatherman to clear it.
One of the guys requested a hand crank for it.
TR
Originally posted by The Reaper
One of the guys requested a hand crank for it.
Yet another forward-thinking SF NCO. What was the answer?
BadMuther
06-28-2004, 12:44
Originally posted by The Reaper
Yep, 7.62.
Saw a few rounds cranked off manually when rotating the barrels with a Leatherman to clear it.
One of the guys requested a hand crank for it.
TR
TR, were you aware of the manual fire feature before that?
The Reaper
06-28-2004, 12:50
Originally posted by Razor
Yet another forward-thinking SF NCO. What was the answer?
Not sure what Crane told him, but I told him that had been done before about 135 years ago.
BM:
I had heard that it would fire like that, but never seen it done till then, and I suspect that I have 5,000 rounds or so through the a/c and ground versions.
Looks like an important safety tip.
TR
What does the recoil on that thing do to a helicopter? I remember NDD talking about sniper rifles throwing helos around, so it makes me wonder....?
Thank you,
Solid
Psywar1-0
06-28-2004, 14:51
We had a guy killed like that, gun was not cleared properly before being dismounted from the helo. Then the barrels were spun to clear it.
If you open the Safeing Sector/housing cover the gun will not fire, even if you do rotate the barrels to clear out jams.
As to what the recoil does to the helo, On Huey's the gun is mounted on a pintal just like a M60, In blackhawks in can be in the door or the window. Not being a pilot I cant tell you what it feels like to be in control of the bird when its fired.
TR, were the test weapons hard wired into the vehicle for power or did they have a seperate battery?
Im a big fan of the seperate battery, allows you to use the weapon to defend the crash site if need be.
The Reaper
06-28-2004, 15:13
Originally posted by Psywar1-0
TR, were the test weapons hard wired into the vehicle for power or did they have a seperate battery?
Im a big fan of the seperate battery, allows you to use the weapon to defend the crash site if need be.
You could feel the recoil in the frame of the Hummer, if you leaned against it, but it didn't visibly move. It is only 7.62, and the mounts are rated for .50 M-2 and 40mm Mk 19.
Separate battery, wired to charge when the engine is running. Hummer was off and the battery was GTG for the hour or so I was there.
Yeah, I guess that would have been handy in Mogadishu.
TR
Psywar1-0
06-28-2004, 15:27
Im not sure what the set up was in MOG. When we used GAU's in Blackhawks down here(Before the guy shot down his own helo) we had the sep battery. Dont know if it was because we are using FMS birds or as a result of lessons learned.
Ambush Master
06-28-2004, 15:41
The Recoil for the 7.62 is around 300 Pounds, for the 20mm around 1500-2000 pounds and for the 30mm close to 6K pounds !!!
Team Sergeant
06-28-2004, 18:35
That's a bad ass weapon, but this is badder....
http://www.metalstorm.com/04_videos/large_video_advice.html
Go down to the 36 Barrel Prototype, it's 14 Megs and worth every second of the wait.... (cable download, 15 seconds)
geronimo
06-28-2004, 21:19
Army helos use the aircraft power. This is actually advertised open source so no OPSEC issues there... There is no seperate battery.
It's not really that big a deal since if the aircraft crashes the guns usually aren't gonna be usable. The mini's do give the birds hell with the vibration. It's not anything that it makes them harder to fly they just develop cracks in the strangest places.
Psywar1-0
06-28-2004, 21:37
About time you got in here on this discussion :D
We were just talking about how we would like to have a mini-gun on our GMV the other day. Now I find that they have one. When can I get it? These little guys on the hills that like to shoot at us will love this thing! Talk about fire support for the assault element.
The Reaper
07-11-2004, 21:24
Originally posted by Viking
We were just talking about how we would like to have a mini-gun on our GMV the other day. Now I find that they have one. When can I get it? These little guys on the hills that like to shoot at us will love this thing! Talk about fire support for the assault element.
Talk to your Group Force Mod guy. He was there.
TR
Does anyone know if it has problems traversing the turrent? i.e. kinks in the ammo chute or the battery cable getting caught. also what is the max. degrees in depression and elevation.
Originally posted by Guy
Just two A-Teams patrolling BIAP road. I'd have the entire stretch secured in a week!:D
I'm torn between that GAU and a Quad .50 . Of course you would need a much larger vehicle for that, but it would be a hell of a gun truck for convoy security. What the hell, as long as Im dreaming I'll take both. GAU up front and Quad .50 pulling rear security. :D
Bravo1-3
07-15-2004, 03:20
Lots of good stuff on that Metal Storm site:
http://www.metalstorm.com/videos/ms_blossom_mpg.zip
and
http://www.metalstorm.com/04_videos/livefiring_20oct2003_complete_mpeg.zip (33Mb Download)
OH MAN, that is outstanding, Makes me drool;)
Rotor Strike
07-23-2004, 20:12
Reaper, finally I find something I can talk about. The Mini-gun doesn't shake the helicopter that much at all. We run the 4500 round Dillon can and have shot entire 4500 rounds in one continuous burst to no ill effect on the gun. You really didn't want to touch the barrels after that, though. With the mini-gun, you don't really need an aiming device as the tracers pretty much do the pointing for you. Kinda like it's own laser aiming device. See if you can get some SLAP ammo for the gun. SLAP is the Sabo Light Armor Piercing ammunition. It's an evil round for doing in vehicles and items behind cover. It will eat up those mud type buildings you see in that part of the world like nobody's business. The only problem with the battery operated gun system is that when you have run the battery down, the weapon can experience lag in the feed system, where the booster is either pushing harder, or not as hard as the gun drive motor. Might cause jams. The Dillon Feeder/Delinker is the way to go. I'd suggest two per gun system for redundency. But, they clear very easily. Also, use the Dillon closed box ammo chutes. They are much nicer than the older ones still in service and don't allow links to become jammed in the shoot, inducing seperations in the ammo chute. Or, just go for one of these instead. GAU-19 .50cal mini-gun. http://www.gdatp.com/products/lethality/gau19_hummer/gau19.htm
Max Power
07-23-2004, 20:17
Originally posted by Ryan Renuart
Or, just go for one of these instead. GAU-19 .50cal mini-gun. http://www.gdatp.com/products/lethality/gau19_hummer/gau19.htm
Oh man, we could've used that in Fallujah, hehehehe. :D
Psywar1-0
07-25-2004, 10:16
Ryan,
Can you PM me the part number for the enclosed feed chutes? Im tired of dealing with jams, even with the chute covers.
Luke
Rotor Strike
07-25-2004, 11:28
Luke,
It'll be a couple of weeks until I'm back down at Patrick, but I'll try to remember. Contact Dillon as well. They have the closed chutes.
Nobody said we "civillians" can't have any fun:
www.ak47.net/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=128&t=257943&page=1
:)
Kyobanim
07-25-2004, 15:33
Originally posted by MAB32
Nobody said we "civillians" can't have any fun:
www.ak47.net/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=128&t=257943&page=1
:)
Looks like there were a few "orgasmic moments" there. :cool:
Trust me when I say it is. Being a LEO and having never been in the military this is allot of fun.
This event is the annual "Bulletfest" held just south of my location in Ohio. This is year #4. The firing line averages 100-175 yards long with the range approximately 150-200 yards deep. I didn't make it this year but made 02 and 03. Believe it or not, it is a bigger event then Knob Creek from what people tell me who attend both. You pretty much name it and it is there including small cannons. I was fortunate to hook up with a guy from out of state who brings about 15-25 weapons to this meet. Most of what he brings are subguns and variants of the AR-18, with some FAL's, AK's and a select fire .22 to round out the list. The biggest kick I get is from shooting his RPD, Swedish K, and the "Sterling" AR-18.
Psywar1-0
07-26-2004, 01:16
Originally posted by Ryan Renuart
Luke,
It'll be a couple of weeks until I'm back down at Patrick, but I'll try to remember. Contact Dillon as well. They have the closed chutes.
Thanks, Unfortunatly we are prohibited from having any contact with Dillon.
Sand-Man
04-08-2008, 23:23
http://www.truveo.com/M134-Gatling-Gun-vs-M240/id/2363492808
Personally, I am a true fan of the M134... Dillon has a bunch of movies out there promoting their product... But this one between the M240 and the M134 is my personal favorite because I've seen both used in aircraft and the difference is obviously noticeable just by the rate of fire.
Also, I love the scoring in the end when coupled up with the statistics of what the M240's rate of fire is...
"The gunner will fire 10 seconds, or 130 rounds..."
I'm no math whiz but with the M134 firing at 3,000 RPM(rounds per minute) it should have put around 500 rounds down on that target.
And the scoring says...
M240B: 12/130 rounds hit: .09% accuracy
M134D: 110/500 rounds hit : .22% accuracy
That's a decent jump in accuracy and makes me feel a little bit better about being able to reach out and touch someone... yes?
Have a good one,
Sand-Man
Surgicalcric
04-08-2008, 23:50
...That's my first post and two cents for the day.
Have a good one,
Sand-Man
What is in the water today... You guys passing around the web addy here, trying to test our patience or something...
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Crip