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AngelsSix
02-28-2009, 18:42
Check these dudes out....I got a giggle out of AF dudes calling themselves "Special Forces", now I am just irritated.....
AFSOC Deployed Aircraft Ground Response Element (DAGRE). As you can see from the pictures it's a little more than just Raven. However, that's the bread and butter mission for these guys. DAGRE took part in Emerald Warrior as a "Proof of Concept" that goes above and beyond the original METs that I'm not going to get into. They had plenty of training with Special Tactics Training Squadron (previously known as AST) and the 23rd Special Tactics Squadron for quite some time prior to this exercise. They were all very well prepared and met all ST physical condition requirements minus the swim.
As members of a Deployed Aircraft Ground Response Element from the 1st Special Operations Security Forces Squadron catalog and bag evidence gathered from a simulated high value target elimination scene during the Emerald Warrior Exercise, Feb. 3. The forensic evidence collected from the scene could result in the identification of other high value targets.
longrange1947
02-28-2009, 20:12
SFCSI? :munchin :D
SFCSI? :munchin :D
New CBS show - CSI-Hurlburt. Wait until you see the episode where they go on a mission with The Unit and wind up in a firefight with NCIS. JAG has a hell of a time sorting that one out. :D
Richard's $.02 :munchin
Check these dudes out....I got a giggle out of AF dudes calling themselves "Special Forces", now I am just irritated.....
I must have missed something here, where are they claiming to be "Special Forces?"
af_rigger
03-01-2009, 15:51
I must have missed something here, where are they claiming to be "Special Forces?"
I was thinking the same thing? :p
SFCSI? :munchin :D
Sir, please don't give Jerry Bruckheimer any more ideas for CSI spin offs.:rolleyes:
New CBS show - CSI-Hurlburt. Wait until you see the episode where they go on a mission with The Unit and wind up in a firefight with NCIS. JAG has a hell of a time sorting that one out.
Donald P. Bellisario has gotten as much mileage from rebooting the armed forces professional as investigator (Thomas Magnum, Harmon Rabb, Jethro Gibbs) as Dick Wolf has gotten out of the Law and Order franchises.
It is only a matter of time before some suit brings them all together in a cross-over miniseries 'event.':p
Smokin Joe
03-01-2009, 16:32
So what is with the Multi-Cam? Did someone pull there head out or are these guys just "special"
perdurabo
03-01-2009, 16:50
Check these dudes out....I got a giggle out of AF dudes calling themselves "Special Forces", now I am just irritated.....
Check your six, there might be some fine PJs and Combat Controllers on here gunning for you right about now...
(I assume you meant their use of "special operations", and not "Special Forces", which is specific to the US Army)
I'm not really sure I fully understand their role/ need for gathering forensic evidence in this type of a situation.
I can see the basic idea behind it; make sure the guys you took out are who you think they are, but isn't that kind of useless unless you already have their DNA/finger prints/dental records?
After doing a web search and reading a few articles about them; I'm even more confused as to how they go from guarding AF assets, to collecting forensic evidence at a HVT elimination scene?
Seem like totally diffrent roles to me; maybe gathering evidence at a crash site in hostile territory....?
Loadsmasher
03-01-2009, 19:02
Air Force law enforcement types ( formerly sky cops and security police) now go by the moniker, Security Forces. The brassards that they wear are labeled "SF". They also wear the black beret (started when the Rangers were still wearing them). I believe that is what was being referenced above.
I believe that this is another example of an identity crisis among the enlisted in the Air Force. Another example being the SERE instructors wearing a green beret. The service is based around officer pilots with the majority of enlisted in support roles. With a few exceptions ( PJ, Combat Controller, TAC-P ) there are not very many prestigious jobs ( akin to Special Forces, Rangers, WO Pilots ), and very little history. I see this as an attempt to fill that gap.
That my .02 Baht anyway.
Ret10Echo
03-01-2009, 19:23
With a few exceptions ( PJ, Combat Controller, TAC-P ) there are not very many prestigious jobs ( akin to Special Forces, Rangers, WO Pilots ), and very little history. I see this as an attempt to fill that gap.
That my .02 Baht anyway.
You have overlooked the great lineage of the Special Operations Weather airmen....
[I jest because I care]:D
Defender968
03-01-2009, 20:07
Air Force law enforcement types ( formerly sky cops and security police) now go by the moniker, Security Forces. The brassards that they wear are labeled "SF". They also wear the black beret (started when the Rangers were still wearing them). I believe that is what was being referenced above.
That my .02 Baht anyway.
Actually Air Force Security Forces wear a dark navy blue beret, it appears near black but when placed next to an actual black beret you can tell it's blue.
Technically speaking they (Air Force Security Forces) started wearing berets (light blue) in 1966 though they were not officially authorized until 1975-76 timeframe which was close to the same time as the Rangers were officially authorized to wear the black beret.
Dozer523
03-01-2009, 20:16
Air Force law enforcement types ( formerly sky cops and security police) now go by the moniker, Security Forces. The brassards that they wear are labeled "SF". They also wear the black beret (started when the Rangers were still wearing them). I believe that is what was being referenced above.
I believe that this is another example of an identity crisis among the enlisted in the Air Force. Another example being the SERE instructors wearing a green beret. The service is based around officer pilots with the majority of enlisted in support roles. With a few exceptions ( PJ, Combat Controller, TAC-P ) there are not very many prestigious jobs ( akin to Special Forces, Rangers, WO Pilots ), and very little history. I see this as an attempt to fill that gap.
That my .02 Baht anyway. That is a great a@@]'d course and Kusick really sucks in the winter (it sucks in the summer too -- the maps have elevation intrervals of like 200 feet. Just cuz it looks flat on the map don't make it so!). But berets of the green persuasion is just WRONG!
As members of a Deployed Aircraft Ground Response Element from the 1st Special Operations Security Forces Squadron catalog and bag evidence gathered from a simulated high value target elimination scene during the Emerald Warrior Exercise, Feb. 3. The forensic evidence collected from the scene could result in the identification of other high value targets.
That diet Dr. Pepper will break this case wide open!
Loadsmasher
03-03-2009, 15:13
That is a great a@@]'d course and Kusick really sucks in the winter (it sucks in the summer too -- the maps have elevation intrervals of like 200 meters. Just cuz it looks flat on the map don't make it so!). But berets of the green persuasion is just WRONG!
I went in late October, early November. It was too warm for snow, but too cold for bugs. By the end of the Evasion phase I was eating pine needle stew. I thought my stomach growling could be heard in Seattle, and I definetly didn't want to be found. At least the Air Force doesn't have the "Bearded One".;)
I believe that this is another example of an identity crisis among the enlisted in the Air Force. Another example being the SERE instructors wearing a green beret.
That definatly makes alot of things make more sense, never really thought of it that way, then again...
They are also awarded engraved strider knifes instead of plaques upon graduation....
af_rigger
03-04-2009, 09:41
Air Force law enforcement types ( formerly sky cops and security police) now go by the moniker, Security Forces. The brassards that they wear are labeled "SF". They also wear the black beret (started when the Rangers were still wearing them). I believe that is what was being referenced above.
I believe that this is another example of an identity crisis among the enlisted in the Air Force. Another example being the SERE instructors wearing a green beret. The service is based around officer pilots with the majority of enlisted in support roles. With a few exceptions ( PJ, Combat Controller, TAC-P ) there are not very many prestigious jobs ( akin to Special Forces, Rangers, WO Pilots ), and very little history. I see this as an attempt to fill that gap.
That my .02 Baht anyway.
I wouldnt necessarily say it is an example of identity crisis all branches have support MOS's. But I would have to say I agree wearing berets similar to others is not right! I would have to say though I think the majority of the AF personell would not try and pretend to be SF, the few that may try are posiers and will be looked down on by the rest. With that being said how many Qp's like or dislike Joint Operations, is there a place or would most prefer to keep the branches seperate?
...like or dislike Joint Operations,...
Like or dislike is not an issue--Joint and Combined Operations are a fact. Live with it.
Richard's $.02 :munchin