View Full Version : Federal HST +P, 230 grain .45acp
Ken Brock
02-21-2009, 20:41
back in November I went deer hunting with my dad
he put me in a ground blind that he had built and I really didn't expect to even see anything since I hadn't scouted the area and I don't really like sitting on the ground
so I propped my rifle up and kicked back to enjoy the outdoors
In about 45 minutes the first deer showed up.....................about 20 yards away
then another..................at 10 yards
both were does but a small buck showed up and walked out to 50 yards and then back in close to me
the deer were so close that I was hunched over in the blind with just one eye peering out of the slit of the blind
I couldn't pick up my rifle without being seen so as soon as the does dropped their heads, I drew my Glock 30sf and shot the buck
The distance was about 15 yards and upon impact the buck dropped to the ground. He then jumped up and ran about 75 yards before dropping for good
The deer was slightly below me which probably accounts for the path of the round.
the round hit slightly higher on the shoulder than I meant to and barely clipped the spine before passing through the chest cavity and exiting. The bullet re-entered the off side upper leg and passed through it before coming to rest just under the skin on the far side. Tissue damage was pretty extensive
the buck weighed approximately 150 lbs
not trying to be a proponent or opponent, just throwing the info out there
here are a few pictures
One of the reasons I like carrying a side arm with me. Good shooting. Between shot placement and bullet design it added up to meat on the table. Thanks.
H.
Nice shot Ken,,
15 yds with .45 +p ,, Not something you don't all the time,, but nice to know you have a back-up... :D:lifter
Team Sergeant
02-22-2009, 08:31
You have a scope on that glock?:D
Ken Brock
02-22-2009, 08:56
You have a scope on that glock?:D
no sir and to be honest, if I had planned on hunting with a pistol I would have taken this
Nice Bisley that you have there. It is hard to argue with what works. :cool:
tom kelly
03-02-2009, 14:46
back in November I went deer hunting with my dad
he put me in a ground blind that he had built and I really didn't expect to even see anything since I hadn't scouted the area and I don't really like sitting on the ground
so I propped my rifle up and kicked back to enjoy the outdoors
In about 45 minutes the first deer showed up.....................about 20 yards away
then another..................at 10 yards
both were does but a small buck showed up and walked out to 50 yards and then back in close to me
the deer were so close that I was hunched over in the blind with just one eye peering out of the slit of the blind
I couldn't pick up my rifle without being seen so as soon as the does dropped their heads, I drew my Glock 30sf and shot the buck
The distance was about 15 yards and upon impact the buck dropped to the ground. He then jumped up and ran about 75 yards before dropping for good
The deer was slightly below me which probably accounts for the path of the round.
the round hit slightly higher on the shoulder than I meant to and barely clipped the spine before passing through the chest cavity and exiting. The bullet re-entered the off side upper leg and passed through it before coming to rest just under the skin on the far side. Tissue damage was pretty extensive
the buck weighed approximately 150 lbs
not trying to be a proponent or opponent, just throwing the info out there
here are a few pictures Nice Shot, but do you have any problems with chamber pressure using Federal HST + P's ? The Federal Tactical 230 grain HST generates a muzzle velocity of 890 fps. What is the muzzle velocity of the 230 grain + P? Does Glock approve of using + P ammo in that particular pistol? Just Curious and wondering if you will develop cracks in the slide using this ammo? Regard's tom kelly
Ken Brock
03-02-2009, 14:56
Nice Shot, but do you have any problems with chamber pressure using Federal HST + P's ? The Federal Tactical 230 grain HST generates a muzzle velocity of 890 fps. What is the muzzle velocity of the 230 grain + P? Does Glock approve of using + P ammo in that particular pistol? Just Curious and wondering if you will develop cracks in the slide using this ammo? Regard's tom kelly
no problems that I'm aware of
I've always shot +P carry ammo
the ammo I carry in my Glock 19 is Speer gold dot 124 grain +P
I'm not sure of the FPS of the +P HST as I've never chrono'ed it
Defender968
03-02-2009, 15:27
Nice Shot, but do you have any problems with chamber pressure using Federal HST + P's ? The Federal Tactical 230 grain HST generates a muzzle velocity of 890 fps. What is the muzzle velocity of the 230 grain + P? Does Glock approve of using + P ammo in that particular pistol? Just Curious and wondering if you will develop cracks in the slide using this ammo? Regard's tom kelly
Tom my department carried the Glock 21 (45 apc) and we carried Speer 200 grn +P and also qualified with the same ammo (don't get me started on the waste) the muzzle velocity of which is 1080 fps and we didn't have any issues with slide cracks to my knowledge. I can ask one of our firearms instructors as well if you'd like to make sure.
dmgedgoods
03-03-2009, 21:53
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Ken Brock
05-25-2010, 19:43
The winchester guy came out and did a gelatin shoot last week
he also allowed us to fire our carry ammo to get a comparison. I took a round out of my carry gun and it was fired into the gelatin
I've attached a picture of both the original bullet I shot the deer with and the one recovered from the gelatin
obviously gelatin doesn't tell the whole story. there was also more penetration with the bullet fired into real tissue compared to the gel
well, for some reason the software doesn't allow me to put up the original picture for a side by side comparison so you'll just have to refer back to the original post
Team Sergeant
05-25-2010, 21:52
The winchester guy came out and did a gelatin shoot last week
he also allowed us to fire our carry ammo to get a comparison. I took a round out of my carry gun and it was fired into the gelatin
I've attached a picture of both the original bullet I shot the deer with and the one recovered from the gelatin
obviously gelatin doesn't tell the whole story. there was also more penetration with the bullet fired into real tissue compared to the gel
well, for some reason the software doesn't allow me to put up the original picture for a side by side comparison so you'll just have to refer back to the original post
Yeah and probably why trauma surgeons don't write/publish papers based on "gelatin" testing.... From what I've read only dentists and FBI ballistics "experts" do that.;)
The Reaper
05-25-2010, 22:02
The winchester guy came out and did a gelatin shoot last week
he also allowed us to fire our carry ammo to get a comparison. I took a round out of my carry gun and it was fired into the gelatin
I've attached a picture of both the original bullet I shot the deer with and the one recovered from the gelatin
obviously gelatin doesn't tell the whole story. there was also more penetration with the bullet fired into real tissue compared to the gel
well, for some reason the software doesn't allow me to put up the original picture for a side by side comparison so you'll just have to refer back to the original post
Ken:
You can't post the same photo with the same name twice.
Try renaming the file and posting it again.
TR
mark46th
05-26-2010, 09:31
150 pounds isn't bad for a white tail buck. Were you hunting in the Southeast?
Ken Brock
05-26-2010, 10:29
150 pounds isn't bad for a white tail buck. Were you hunting in the Southeast?
South Carolina
I don't think it gets any more "southeast" than that :D