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AngelsSix
02-18-2009, 19:07
Okay, maybe two.

Where the hell were these kids' parents? Neither one of them was a dependent. So why were two girls that age hanging out at a military base at 3 a.m.?

2 Teen Girls Found in Wash. Army Barracks; 1 Dead

Tuesday, February 17, 2009

FORT LEWIS, Wash. — A 16-year-old girl was found dead and another teenage girl was discovered unconscious in a barracks on this Army base south of Tacoma, the Army said Monday.

In a statement issued about 36 hours after base emergency personnel responded to a 911 call early Sunday morning, Fort Lewis spokesman Joe Piek said a Madigan Army Medical Center doctor declared one girl dead at the scene. The second teen was taken to Madigan for emergency medical care and was reported in stable condition Monday.

There were no outward signs of physical trauma on either girl, Piek told The Associated Press in a telephone interview Monday night. He said Army doctors at Madigan were performing an autopsy on the dead girl, but results might not be available for at least a week.

The Army is investigating what the girls were doing in the barracks and whether drugs or alcohol were involved, he said. The presence of the two civilian girls "in the barracks at 3:30 a.m. is likely a violation of any of the units' barracks visitation policies," he said.

Civilians entering and leaving the base are supposed to be carefully tracked.

A civilian entering the base has to show ID, Army spokesman John Norgren told the Seattle Post-Intelligencer, adding, "You have to have a reason to be on the installation and you have to be sponsored" by a member of the military on base.

"It's quite a comprehensive system," Norgren said.

Piek said the Army would not be releasing the names of the girls because they were minors and civilians. The Fort Lewis Criminal Investigation Division was investigating both the circumstances and cause of death.

A Fort Lewis soldier who was "allegedly acquainted with the two girls" has been questioned, but no arrests have been made, Piek said.

The Army didn't release information about the incident until Monday because it took place during a holiday weekend and officials needed to notify the teens' families, the spokesman said.

Army Suspects Drugs in Death of Teen Girl at Fort Lewis in Washington State

Wednesday, February 18, 2009

FORT LEWIS, Wash. —
Army investigators believe the death of a 16-year-old civilian girl at a barracks on Fort Lewis was possibly drug-related, a spokesman said Wednesday.

Chris Grey, a spokesman at the Criminal Investigation Command headquarters at Fort Belvoir, Va., wouldn't specify what drug or drugs may have been involved. Toxicology results are not expected for at least a week, he said.

Grey said the dead girl and another 16-year-old civilian girl who was found passed out early Sunday were both acquainted with a soldier in the barracks.

The surviving girl was in stable and improving condition Wednesday at Madigan Army Medical Center, said Joseph J. Piek, a Fort Lewis spokesman.

"Once she is in a state that she can be interviewed by the Criminal Investigation Division, I'm sure the investigators will do so to gather the facts about what the girls were doing on post," Piek said.

The dead girl was identified by her family on her MySpace page as Leah King.

"Just so everyone knows, we have very few details about what happened to Leah," the family statement said. "But what we know, we are not supposed to share just yet."

Grey and Piek said investigators had not released information on how the girls entered the post and what happened before a 911 call.

Both girls are from the south Puget Sound area and neither was a military dependent.

Piek said part of the investigation will focus on policies for allowing civilian visitors on post and for guests at barracks. No overnight visitors are allowed in the barracks, and authorized visitors must leave the base by 2 a.m. on weekends.

Minors who aren't a member of their host's immediate family must be accompanied in the barracks by a parent or guardian.

Piek said a review has been started of a policy that allows anyone with a valid Department of Defense identification to escort a civilian — even an unrelated minor — onto the post.

"To what extent these policies were followed will be a subject of the ongoing investigation," Piek said.

The manager of a dry cleaning store near Fort Lewis told The Seattle Times she often sees teenage girls approach young soldiers at a parking lot across the street from her shop and ask for rides onto the post.

"It's easy for them to get on the post. It happens all the time," Plaza Cleaners manager Maria Dibbens said. "They want to get on base and see the young GIs."

Additional coverage from Q13 FOX Seattle.

Kyobanim
02-18-2009, 19:20
They very well could have gone out the window after the parents went to bed.

It's been known to happen.

Richard
02-18-2009, 19:28
They very well could have gone out the window after the parents went to bed.

Or the old Cheryl tells her parents she's spending the night with Cindy and Cindy tells her parents that she's spending the night with Cheryl...aaaaaaaaaaand thennnnnnnn...:eek:

As stated previously...it's been known to happen.

Richard's $.02 :munchin

afchic
02-18-2009, 19:30
If I had a nickel for every underage girl I found in my dorms when I was a section commander doing no notice inspections on Friday and Saturday nights I would be a very rich woman.

As my shirt used to say, in her Puerto Rican Accent: "My dormitories are not the Ramada Inn". Some chose not to listen and had Article 15's to show for their hard work with the young ladies.

I always got a kick out of hearing the parents when they had to come on base to pick up their girls at the Cop Shop. 9 times out of 10 they had snuck out of the house. That is why my daughter is on the second floor (our ceilings on both floors are ten feet tall) with no way to get out of her bedroom window without breaking her leg or her neck. Both of which will be better for her than if I ever found out she was sneaking out. Point being, she won't be able to sneak out, at least out of our house!!!!

JJ_BPK
02-18-2009, 19:43
Okay, maybe two.
Where the hell were these kids' parents?
Neither one of them was a dependent.
So why were two girls that age hanging out at a military base at 3 a.m.?



I hope the answer comes out, but I suspect not..

We have a system where the current trend is to blame an autonomous adjective annotated CAUSE as responsible,, something like "The CAUSE was an archaic out-of-touch education system that fail them".

The trick is to make sure no one can attach a real name to this CAUSE.

It also helps if the CAUSE can have money spent on it to further our understanding of it's nuances and social ambiguities.

This CAUSE needs a political venue, so those that have no idea why,, can use the CAUSE to get elected..

The CAUSE needs to be ethnically neutral, political vague, historically irreverent, and religiously neutered.

The CAUSE also has to fit in a 1" column when using left-right proportional type spacing...


A guy named King Arthur sent a couple of his heavies named Perceval and Gawain look for the CAUSE,, then he sent Lancelot,, finally in desperation he sent Monty Python,, never did fine the CAUSE...

If you find the CAUSE,, let us know..


My $00.0002

Dozer523
02-18-2009, 20:53
Someone please explain this. . .
"The dead girl was identified by her family on her MySpace page as Leah King." Damn. Our daughter's dead, let's blog!
The real story will come out. One girl lived and it happened in a barracks. The soldiers will line up to sing once CID starts interviewing them privately.

levinj
02-18-2009, 21:14
Dozer,

While it's kind of a sad statement on the state of things among teens and young adults (myself included), MySpace might have been the only way the parents could be sure their daughter's friends heard in a timely manner. It's a good bet that they didn't know who all of her friends were.

I don't think it's been said, and I apologize, but it ought to be. Whoever got those girls in there, deserves whatever punishment they're given and then some. Sixteen.

Paslode
02-18-2009, 21:40
Not taking sides here, but when I first heard about this I thought there is a99.9% chance that the soldier is going to be protrayed as some sort of predator and the girls will be portrayed innocent young things that were taken advantage of.

Nothing like getting woke up and interrogated by a group of people at 3:00AM and knowing you had to lie (because you knew what happened) to cover up your 15 year old cousins stupidity and to keep a equally stupid married 21 year old GI with kids out of Leavenworth.

Given a soldier should know better than to bring two 16 year old onto the base, but I know what my step sister, my cousin and their friends when they were 15 and 16. Mom, Denise and I want to go the mall and see a movie will you drop us off? Sure! No you girls be careful and don't talk to strangers.... They had fake ID's. They Lied about their age to get dates with older guys and get into bars. Go out of their way to get older guys to notice them. They made a game out it. The older guys had cars, they could buy alcohol and it was cool.

Regardless of what is of legal age...it takes 2 to tango and at 15/16 you know better and you know what the risks are.


imho

Defender968
02-19-2009, 10:33
Not taking sides here, but when I first heard about this I thought there is a99.9% chance that the soldier is going to be protrayed as some sort of predator and the girls will be portrayed innocent young things that were taken advantage of.

Nothing like getting woke up and interrogated by a group of people at 3:00AM and knowing you had to lie (because you knew what happened) to cover up your 15 year old cousins stupidity and to keep a equally stupid married 21 year old GI with kids out of Leavenworth.

Given a soldier should know better than to bring two 16 year old onto the base, but I know what my step sister, my cousin and their friends when they were 15 and 16. Mom, Denise and I want to go the mall and see a movie will you drop us off? Sure! No you girls be careful and don't talk to strangers.... They had fake ID's. They Lied about their age to get dates with older guys and get into bars. Go out of their way to get older guys to notice them. They made a game out it. The older guys had cars, they could buy alcohol and it was cool.

Regardless of what is of legal age...it takes 2 to tango and at 15/16 you know better and you know what the risks are.


imho

I completely agree.

When I was 15-16 it was pretty easy to tell what girls were in high school, well a few years ago I was stationed in a small town in New Mexico, I was an assistant soccer coach for the local high school Men’s soccer team, the first time I went to school during the school day to load up for an away game I was shocked at the young women there, they did not look like the 15-16 year olds of my day.

I would have guessed they were all college aged girls or older from their development. Consequently on base we constantly had issues with airmen dating young girls they thought were of legal age, and I can testify that most of them looked to be well over 18 and many had id's that said they were older as well, that's not necessarily the troops fault at least initially, not IMO, yet often the airmen were treated very badly just like you said Paslode.

AngelsSix
02-19-2009, 20:22
I doubt that the parents will accept any responsibility in this. Too easy to say "my kids never listen to me". Sadly, someone had to die.

A G.I. of any age bringing anyone without a military id onto base needs to be stopped and everyone's i.d.'s checked and everyone logged for the record. The logs should be checked by the individual in charge of the LE patrols to ensure that the individuals left post. I think we are way too lax today in letting civilians onto post and then just forgetting about them.

alright4u
02-20-2009, 04:07
Guess I am old. I am not up on when male GI's were allowed to have female guests in any military barracks? Can anyone recall when females were first allowed in the EM/junior NCO barracks or any BOQ? Sadly, if these teens had been at a civilian's house- I feel the parents would not be out to hang someone?

perdurabo
02-20-2009, 09:10
If I had a nickel for every underage girl I found in my dorms when I was a section commander doing no notice inspections on Friday and Saturday nights I would be a very rich woman.

This was common at every USAF base that I was stationed at. Underage girls getting onto base and into the barracks. Booze. It was "normal".

I know that many were full civilian, not even military brats. You could watch the series of "boyfriends" as they visited a new room every week. I'm sure many of you who have served have similar stories.

Razor
02-20-2009, 09:53
Alright4U, I know it was at least as early as 1993, with the development of the Better Opportunity for Single Soldiers (BOSS) program.

alright4u
02-20-2009, 20:05
You answered my question. TY.