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Ret10Echo
02-10-2009, 04:59
Yes I think it is still but at the AA, AAA, Semi Pro..Coastal, Sunshine or whatever other league you have nearby.
I won't pay to see a MLB game.
Hostile0311
02-10-2009, 06:36
He said he stopped using during spring training 2003, when he sustained a neck injury. It was just as baseball started its drug-testing survey. It was only in 2004 that testing with penalties began.
Conicidence? I doubt it.
As a former collegiate baseball player at the Division II level, I saw guys experiment and take all sorts of "perfomance enhancing drugs, steroids, hormones, etc.). So, even at this lower level and in many cases also in high school there are many who experiment with these drugs all because of the "Super Stars" like McGwire, Canseco, Giambi, Bonds and Clemens who were implicated in using, whether they admitted to it or not. What a fine exampe these clowns set (and continue to set) for our youth. They ought to ban him (Rodriguez) and anyone else who has used or is caught using indefinitely. Strip them of their Cy Youngs, MVP's and ROY awards. Send a message that this is not to be tolerated.
I to played the game on a smaller level and seen players trying anything to gain an edge. Baseball needs to flat out across the board ban ANYONE caught using. First offense... If your in college, you’re out, loose your scholarship and kicked out, AA, AAA, Sunshine whatever, get caught gone, NEVER to try out again. The Pro's, Get caught, HUGE fine millions, All records good or bad wiped out of baseball and your gone never to come back. Then maybe people will take it serious. It is a shame that records have been broke by cheaters.
Ret10Echo
02-10-2009, 08:22
I to played the game on a smaller level and seen players trying anything to gain an edge. Baseball needs to flat out across the board ban ANYONE caught using. First offense... If your in college, you’re out, loose your scholarship and kicked out, AA, AAA, Sunshine whatever, get caught gone, NEVER to try out again. The Pro's, Get caught, HUGE fine millions, All records good or bad wiped out of baseball and your gone never to come back. Then maybe people will take it serious. It is a shame that records have been broke by cheaters.
Every time the "-roid" conversation comes up, I think of what MLB is doing to Pete Rose....
Guess if he roided up, got drunk, beat his wife and crashed his motorcycle it wouldn't be a probelm.....
Every time the "-roid" conversation comes up, I think of what MLB is doing to Pete Rose....
Guess if he roided up, got drunk, beat his wife and crashed his motorcycle it wouldn't be a probelm.....
Pete will get his due..... He want be alive to see it but he will get into the Hall.
But I do agree with you 100%.
When mind-blowingly large amounts of cash are involved the worst in us comes out.
FWIW--the pressure to 'gain an edge' in sports has filtered all the way down to the high school levels and there are high schools here in Texas who--based on previous issues with their athletes--test for steroid use.
I remember going to a couple of Royals' games and seeing Bo Jackson play. His athletic build really made him stand out in comparison to the other ball players. A few years later, nearly all the ball players began to look like Bo! :confused:
Personally, I now only go to local farm league games such as the Columbus Astros, Fort worth Mudcats, and Sacramento River Cats...and will not go to an MLB game. The $$$ and other issues associated with MLB have turned me off as a fan.
Richard's $.02 :munchin
greenberetTFS
02-10-2009, 11:44
Every time the "-roid" conversation comes up, I think of what MLB is doing to Pete Rose....
Guess if he roided up, got drunk, beat his wife and crashed his motorcycle it wouldn't be a probelm.....
Your right about Pete,he took quite a hit.....The same should be done to A-Rod. :mad:
GB TFS :munchin
A-Rod decided to come out to tell the half truth about what got him caught. He already denied using in the past. He is hoping that he'll forgiven like Jason G and Andy P. He has seen what happens to those who deny. deny, deny till the cows come home. (hello Roger and Barry)
But his main issue isn't this, he was already hated by the vast majority of folks because of a 1/4 billion dollar contract and is still hated by those same folks and now more. I thought he was a jerk off when he played at Texas. When the national athemn was played, he always went back into the clubhouse and came out after it was finished. (folks former season ticket holders) That entire team was doing it and as was the entire league. It was condoned (or looked the other way) ,by Bud Selig all the way down to team management, all for the mighty dollar. I haven't been to a MLB game in years and will never go back. I'll support the AA team here in town.
And a side note, the PEDs he took must had messed up his vision. Because he kicked his wife to the curb for Madonna, he needs to get his eyes check!
I remember going to a couple of Royals' games and seeing Bo Jackson play.
In a game between the Royals and the A's at Oakland, I saw Mr. Jackson run along the wall vertically and then horizontally to make a catch. :eek: We in the bleachers couldn't believe it while the catch seemed routine to him.:cool:
To think of all the flak that Mr. Jackson and Deion Sanders got for their flashy marketing.:p
A bit of a rant follows.:p I'd read that performance enhancing drugs add 5% to one's output. It would be something if statisticians were to go back and take 5% of the arc and distance off of Mr. Bonds's (and others') home runs. Anything that would have landed in the park would be an out and they could keep anything that still would have cleared the fence. Individual statistics and game scores would be recalculated: wins and losses would change. Division, league, and World Series championships would be vacated as necessary (leaving some years with no championship...just the asterisk that looks like a syringe.)
Meanwhile, teams that had juiced players would have to give up 5% of their revenue in a season for each player that tested positive and juiced players would get taxed an extra 5%.
NousDefionsDoc
02-10-2009, 21:42
What I don't get is why. They don't need it. Rodriguez is IMO the best ball player to ever put on a glove. If you look at the numbers during the years, they aren't gaining anything from it.
Having said that is it fair to hammer MLB and not the rest of them?
NousDefionsDoc
02-10-2009, 21:59
There is nothing more important than baseball.
I also will not pay for MLB game to see the tribe play. Though, I would go if invited ( READ: I am not paying) or if my wife gets a few tickets here and there from where she works.
When mind-blowingly large amounts of cash are involved the worst in us comes out.
Except for a few. Makes me respect Mr. Tillman all the more.
What we're talking about here is ball players. Nothing more. A-Rod is a frigging idiot, just like all the others. Left his wife for Madonna. Please. The guy can barely chew gum and tie his shoes at the same time.
Now if we were talking about the splendid Splinter, that would be another topic. Left baseball twice to serve in the military during a time of war. There's a ball player and an American.