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Hello, I hope this is the right place for this.
I'm a civilian, going rep-63, currently negotiating with my recruiter over which entry mos to choose. Is it a new policy that rep-63 candidates must select a feeder MOS that matches the 18 series they pick? I had wanted to go 11B->18E, but my recruiter is saying I have to go to communications school 25U. If I want to go 11B, I have to select 18B. I'm an electrical engineer, so I thought 18E would be a better fit for me. I also thought the 18E school taught you everything you need to know. And don't all 18xrays go 11B regardless of which 18 series they end up in?
I'm asking because I want to know if I should or can negotiate with my recruiter to get 11B->18E. The contract process is still a mystery to me.
Thanks!
Prester John
02-04-2009, 16:40
You need a new recruiter. In the Guard, in my experience, it's choose your own adventure.
I was 11B-18D, but proved too thick for that job. So, I am currently re-training as an 11B-18C. I am with 2/20. PM me if you have more specific questions.
Doug
Surgicalcric
02-04-2009, 16:55
While REP-63 is the NG equivalent of the AD 18X program (both allow off the street enlistment into SF) there are differences; this is one of them.
The requirement of a feeder MOS isnt a new policy. Some states require candidates to choose a feeder MOS to give the SF hopefuls a head start on some of the MOS subjects covered in the SFQC and some do not. Feeder MOS attendance also provides the state/NG an MOS other than 11B if the candidate is dropped from the pipeline for whatever reason. It makes sense looking at it from the NG side of things.
The knowledge base you will have going into the 18E course from 25U is greater then what your knowledge of patrolling and small units tactics will be after having attended 11B OSUT. The junior Echo on my ODA did the same thing and has talked about the difference it made for him in the course. That said, if you were already a commo guy in the civilian side of the house and had a greater knowledge of the subjects covered in the 25U MOS due to your civilian job/education things would be a bit different.
As for Doug's comments on finding a new recruiter, as I said earlier it may very well be the states policy on the matter and not the recruiter's. I know a couple guys have talked the recruiter/career counselor into allowing them to choose 11B instead of a direct feeder MOS, a couple of them are members here.
Thank you Surgicalcric. That is what I'm trying to determine - if it's a guard specific thing that ties the hands of my recruiter. However, talking to Doug, it may be a unit specific thing. I'm trying to figure out if the recruiter is giving me the straight-up or not. It sounds like maybe he is telling it like it is for the 19th in West Virginia.
I understand the needs of the Guard, which makes sense. However, if I didn't make it through for some reason, I would apply for an officer slot. I'm just not that interested in being a 25U.
On the other hand, if 25U is considered a good preparation for 18E, I would definitely consider it. I don't do commo for my civilian job. I just didn't want to spend the 18 weeks for commo school, if I don't need to. I like the fact that 11B is short and hopefully helps me maintain some fitness, whereas I'd probably be sitting around in class all day for 25U. Doug just told me that 11B did not provide much physical fitness, but I have to think it's better than 25U. I will listen to wiser minds if it is recommended that I go to commo school instead of infantry.
Thanks!
I wouldn't let your expectations of what the PT will be like to be a deciding factor, at the end of the day your motivation level will determine your PT score. I've been to TRADOC schools with really hard PT and schools with really easy or non-existant PT and I would estimate they had very similar pass rates.
Like my old man always used to say "You get out of it what you put into it".
Like my old man always used to say "You get out of it what you put into it".
Agreed. If they give me time to PT, I will PT. But, 18 weeks is a lot longer than the 11B, so I'm questioning if there is any point in doing it when I just want to get on to SFAS.
Take this with a grain of salt but it may be worth going through the 18 weeks of 25U school just so you get a real good look at what will happen to you if you wash out of SFAS. Might give you an advantage in the motivation department.
Surgicalcric
02-04-2009, 20:07
Agreed. If they give me time to PT, I will PT. But, 18 weeks is a lot longer than the 11B, so I'm questioning if there is any point in doing it when I just want to get on to SFAS.
The recruiter isnt giving you a line of crap... He is being honest and upfront with you. Hopefully one of the 18E's from WV will chime in and give you their perspective on things...
While waiting on them I have a few things for you to take in. If your back up plan is to do OCS then attending 11B OSUT will not help you out in the least and going the 25U route wont slow you down. Getting to SFAS a few weeks faster will not help you get selected; being better prepared will. 11B OSUT will not help you in the least in the Echo course or in SUT. What you are taught there doesnt begin to scratch the surface of what you will be taught. And you will have more time to PT on your own than you know what to do with, or so says several recent 25U grads from 2/20th that I talked to less than an hour ago.
It would seem you have your mind set on 11B though...
Crip
The recruiter isnt giving you a line of crap... He is being honest and upfront with you.
Thank you. That is what I wanted to find out. I don't mean to disrespect him at all. I just needed to hear it from someone who isn't a recruiter.
While waiting on them I have a few things for you to take in. If your back up plan is to do OCS then attending 11B OSUT will not help you out in the least and going the 25U route wont slow you down. Getting to SFAS a few weeks faster will not help you get selected; being better prepared will. 11B OSUT will not help you in the least in the Echo course or in SUT. What you are taught there doesnt begin to scratch the surface of what you will be taught. And you will have more time to PT on your own than you know what to do with, or so says several recent 25U grads from 2/20th that I talked to less than an hour ago.
It would seem you have your mind set on 11B though...
Crip
You're right, I did have my mind sent on 11B. I've been waiting for a while to do this, frustrated with a desk job, looking forward to being out in the field. When I was told that I wouldn't be doing infantry, but spending 18 weeks working on computers and electronics, I was not ready to hear that. Right now, I really don't want to be sitting at a desk staring at a computer. But that's why I came to professionalsoldiers.com - to get wisdom from people who know what they're talking about. I appreciate the candid advice. I'm a little impatient right now from being frustrated with my job. All the more reason I need the advice. I'm here to learn.
If any 18E's wish to chime in, it would be much appreciated.
So, If I'm not going 11B, is it worth it to consider an intel MOS? I had originally considered that route as an interesting and relevant training considering the current state of affairs and the work that my company does supporting intelligence agencies. I have some friends in intel which is why I became interested. I'm not against 25U, just asking if intel is a worthwile option.
Thanks.
Scimitar
02-04-2009, 21:55
Could always give SFC Gregory a call at 19th HQ in Utah if you need clarification.
Different States put their pants on differently. Thought about enlisting in a different State?
Utah will fly you up there and doesnt mind where you go after you get out of the Q. I guess HQ has a little more lee-way.
If Surgical Crics OK with it, I can give you the number.
Scimitar
Surgicalcric
02-04-2009, 22:00
...So, If I'm not going 11B, is it worth it to consider an intel MOS? I had originally considered that route as an interesting and relevant training considering the current state of affairs and the work that my company does supporting intelligence agencies. I have some friends in intel which is why I became interested. I'm not against 25U, just asking if intel is a worthwile option.
Thanks.
First off do you want to be in SF as a team guy or as a support guy? Are you talking about an intel MOS instead of going the SFAS route? If so then I would say yes. If you are talking about trying to get an intel MOS and going straight for the SFQC then no; it again will not help you get to where you are wanting to go. There are no intel MOS's which are feeders for an entry level 18series MOS.
And yes you are "against 25U" or you wouldnt be coming up with every excuse in the book to look into other MOS's. Sign on the dotted line and get it over with... Geez...
Now go do PT!
Surgicalcric,
I've had some time to think about it, and I see the value of what you're saying. It won't hurt to pick up extra skills relevant to 18E and I will also have a longer period to focus on PT.
I'm still curious what 18E's think of the 25U course, but I'll take that question over to the 18E forum.
Going back to PT.
RogerThis
03-01-2009, 11:36
I just enlisted 11B/18E with 5/19 in CO. At MEPS, I was expecting to see something in ink about REP63, but I didn't. Apparently "REP63" just describes the regs under which a non-PS individual is able to enlist for the purpose of SF and has nothing to do with one's contract, paperwork, or anything involved in the actual enlistment process. My recruiter sent paperwork indicating that I was to enlist into an 18 series MOS, but the folks in the NG office at MEPS said that the 18 series MOSs were only available to regular Army enlistees. They contacted my recruiter and and shortly after (several hours) I was told that the NG had to put enlistees into the 11B MOS and "buy the time" for follow-on training and as the recruit nears completion of each course, issue orders for the next school/course. I expected to see a reserved slot for me in each follow-on course, but did not. I was told by NG office personnel that things were done this way to minimize "bad investments." If a recruit was to have reserved slots for every follow-on course up to SFAS and was injured during OSUT, the NG would have wasted money and screwed others out of slots in those courses. This explanation sounded plausible and like a good insurance policy for the Guard. I hope this helps. Also, just as if I had a booger in my nose, if something isn't right in my post, please let me know.
Dozer523
03-01-2009, 11:46
Also, just as if I had a booger in my nose, if something isn't right in my post, please let me know.
Funny you should mention your booger. First posts go in Intro followed by filling out your profile.
Get to it, young man.
RogerThis
03-01-2009, 11:58
I apologize for not introducing myself before posting here.
I have been reading posts on this forum for quite a while and should have double-checked for an introductory post before this post.
I just enlisted 11B/18E with 5/19 in CO. At MEPS, I was expecting to see something in ink about REP63, but I didn't. Apparently "REP63" just describes the regs under which a non-PS individual is able to enlist for the purpose of SF and has nothing to do with one's contract, paperwork, or anything involved in the actual enlistment process.
Reserve Enlistment Program 1963 (REP-63) isn't an SF specific enlistment. Any USAR or ARNG unit can use it. It allows an Non-Prior-Service individual to enlist, attend and get paid for drills and accrue TIS before going to BCT. IE: Joe Blow could enlist in a Graves Registration Unit as a Mortuary Affairs Specialist under REP-63 and start attending drills at the morgue. :eek:
spooker23
03-02-2009, 10:06
I have a question in regards to what RogerThis said...
I'm a rep63 as well and I know that I'm only scheduled for basic, AIT, airborne, and that's it. At what time would I be scheduled for SF prep and SFAS? I'm just wondering if it's going to be streamlined or if I'm going to get done with airborne and have to hurry up and wait to move on, and if so what would I do while I wait? My recruiter doesn't seem to really know, so any help would be greatly appreciated.
Surgicalcric
03-02-2009, 15:06
spooker23:
No need to worry. Most of the REP-63's I know had contracts similar to yours. SOPC will be added to your schedule at Ft Benning once you inprocess Airborne and SFAS will follow SOPC. The remainder is TBD depending on your performance at SFAS.
You wont have any standing around time after you start SOPC; the SFQC is streamlined.
spooker23
03-02-2009, 22:39
Surgicalcric:
Thanks for the info! I'm Glad to finally have some clarification.