View Full Version : Slate Article Calling SERE "Torture school"
RichL025
01-30-2009, 15:45
This guy is a former marine who is calling for SERE to be closed because it is "teaching" soldiers how to torture:
http://www.slate.com/id/2210059/
I said "former marine" and that's what I meant to say.
I am of the vintage that did not automatically go to SERE school after the Q, but this article is stupidity at it's heights.
Team Sergeant
01-30-2009, 16:07
Former candy-ass is more like it......:rolleyes:
SERE is not supposed to be fun and games. This is what happens when you place "children" (at the time he was a baby Lt) in a man's school. I hope the Marines take away his "Man-card".
Cancel Water-Boarding 101
The military should close its torture school. I know because I graduated from it.
By David J. Morris
Posted Thursday, Jan. 29, 2009, at 12:53 PM ET
http://www.slate.com/id/2210059/
lets just surrender now while we are still young enough to enjoy our captivity...
Team Sergeant
01-30-2009, 16:35
lets just surrender now while we are still young enough to enjoy our captivity...
LOLOLOLOL
rubberneck
01-30-2009, 16:52
Wouldn't the author have been required to sign a non disclosure agreement before attending SERE?
Surgicalcric
01-30-2009, 17:09
5 minutes...thats all I need with this tool...
I am sure I can convince him that his view of what torture is isnt reality...
rubberneck:
Yes he would have signed a NDA prior to attending SERE...
rubberneck
01-30-2009, 17:14
rubberneck:
Yes he would have signed a NDA prior to attending SERE...
So in addition to writing a poorly constructed article he also broke the law. At least he has that going for him. I have never attended SERE or even served for that matter but only a fool who doesn't understand history couldn't recognize the need for such a program.
David J. Morris writes:
If water-boarding is torture, then why are we still doing it to U.S. servicemen? Yes, enlistment in the units that attend SERE is a voluntary act, but must it entail the signing away of basic human rights? The question is especially pertinent because America's enemies haven't used SERE's techniques of "mind control" since the Korean War.
I guess when Col. Rowe reconfigured the SERE program he had to talk to some Korean War vets as his experience as a POW in a Vietnamese camp for five years was insufficient to teach him what was needed in SERE training. According to the author, the Vietnamese did not use “mind control” techniques on our prisoners of war. I’m sure there are a few ex POW's around, namely McCain, who would love to discuss this subject with this former marine. :mad:
David J. Morris writes:
I guess when Col. Rowe reconfigured the SERE program he had to talk to some Korean War vets as his experience as a POW in a Vietnamese camp for five years was insufficient to teach him what was needed in SERE training. According to the author, the Vietnamese did not use “mind control” techniques on our prisoners of war. I’m sure there are a few ex POW's around, namely McCain, who would love to discuss this subject with this former marine. :mad:
The Vietnamese used mind control look at what they did to Jane Fonda. She was one of them and we have the pictures to prove it. ;)
Typical weak minded person. Some one probably hurt his feelings at camp.
Just another reason SOF should be the ones that go.......
Dozer523
01-30-2009, 22:05
I was sure that my captors, who wore Warsaw Pact-style uniforms and spoke with thick Slavic accents. . .
I wonder if this captor had
. . . a
. . . Beard.
Oh. . .
my . . .
Gawd!
NOOOO!!
:eek:
Mine had gold teeth his got all knocked out from being softly spoken to by the east germans :D
lets just surrender now while we are still young enough to enjoy our captivity...LMMFAO!:D
Stay safe.
...... This is what happens when you place "children" (at the time he was a baby Lt) in a man's school. I hope the Marines take away his "Man-card". ......
I'd seen some females with bigger "Man-cards" than his.
Team Sergeant
01-31-2009, 09:40
I was sure that my captors, who wore Warsaw Pact-style uniforms and spoke with thick Slavic accents. . .
I wonder if this captor had
. . . a
. . . Beard.
Oh. . .
my . . .
Gawd!
NOOOO!!
:eek:
David J. Morris would have NEVER survived "The Bearded One".;)
I've no idea what SERE school this candy-ass went to but you can bet it was not "ours".......;)
TS
alright4u
01-31-2009, 12:03
I doubt that the Marine Corp would claim him. No Marine I ever knew would claim him.
Hostile0311
01-31-2009, 12:37
I doubt that the Marine Corp would claim him. No Marine I ever knew would claim him.
I would have to second that motion Sir. I wouldn't even honor him with the title "Former Marine".
Dozer523
02-01-2009, 22:28
"David J. Morris would have NEVER survived "The Bearded One".
I've no idea what SERE school this candy-ass went to but you can bet it was not "ours".......
TS
I still catch my breath when I hear the "Bearded One" mentioned. He was scary!
The Reaper
02-01-2009, 22:38
"David J. Morris would have NEVER survived "The Bearded One".
I've no idea what SERE school this candy-ass went to but you can bet it was not "ours".......
TS
I still catch my breath when I hear the "Bearded One" mentioned. He was scary!
Well wrap your head around the fact that I believe he is a registered member here.
TR
Dozer523
02-02-2009, 13:55
Well wrap your head around the fact that I believe he is a registered member here.TR:eek:
perdurabo
02-02-2009, 14:36
I still catch my breath when I hear the "Bearded One" mentioned. He was scary!
It's times like this when I'd pay anything to know the back story. :munchin
Team Sergeant
02-02-2009, 15:33
It's times like this when I'd pay anything to know the back story. :munchin
We could tell you, but...... you know the rest.;)
perdurabo
02-02-2009, 15:46
We could tell you, but...... you know the rest.;)
If my killing can be time-deferred, I may take you up on that! ;)
We could tell you, but...... you know the rest.;)
If I could hear all the stories I would take that deal :D.
If I could hear all the stories I would take that deal :D.
Care must be taken or a person could end up "One of the stories":D
Team Sergeant
02-02-2009, 20:51
If I could hear all the stories I would take that deal :D.
Just the stories alone could/would kill anyone not Special Forces Qualified.;)
Well wrap your head around the fact that I believe he is a registered member here.
TRHe oughtta be banned for GP!;):D
Stay safe.
NousDefionsDoc
02-02-2009, 23:19
Mr. Morris is a pussy.
AngelsSix
02-03-2009, 06:33
Mr. Morris is a pussy.
NDD, now that's just an insult to cats and women everywhere!:D
Most women AND my cat have more balls than this ass. Let him come spend a day in my house.......reporter, indeed.:rolleyes:
he will, no doubt, end up as someones congressman......
Dozer523
02-03-2009, 07:44
If my killing can be time-deferred, I may take you up on that! ;) I don't know. . . the safe is pretty much full of heads!:D
SpetsnaZ
02-03-2009, 08:14
He said he had "a rusted coffee can to piss into":boohoo
I wish I had that same luxury of staying dry... But then again my leg was the only warm part of my body at times, and with out that I would have been a lot colder.
SERE wasn't a part of the curriculum when I went through Training Group but we had to go through a 'training program' honchoed by Ike Camacho and Jesse Black down on Eglin somewhere prior to deploying to SEA. Never considered it to be 'torture' but it sure confirmed to me that I did not want to be a POW of the NVA/CT crowd. :eek:
NDD said it all about this guy.
Richard's $.02 :munchin
I was sure that my captors, who wore Warsaw Pact-style uniforms and spoke with thick Slavic accents. . .
I wonder if this captor had
. . . a
. . . Beard.
Oh. . .
my . . .
Gawd!
NOOOO!!
:eek:
Dozer,
I was in a store last year and swore to myself I saw HIM!!!! I turned around and went down a different aisle, to only bump into this fellow again. All I could think to do was automatically get lower then him and ensure I didn't stand over him. Flashbacks are a B!TCH some times.
My wife thought it was pretty comical at the time......
Quartz_MJC
02-05-2009, 08:31
"The Bearded one" I haven't heard that name in ages. Oh! The memories I have. Two things about Mrs. Morris (Prefix intentional) are apparent. One, he learned nothing in SERE and two he is a vagina.
"The Bearded one" I haven't heard that name in ages. Oh! The memories I have. Two things about Mrs. Morris (Prefix intentional) are apparent. One, he learned nothing in SERE and two he is a vagina.
Now that just gives vaginas a bad name.
Soft Target
02-05-2009, 09:50
he will, no doubt, end up as someones congressman......
OH? Is he from Minnesota?
Dozer523
02-05-2009, 10:51
"The Bearded one" I haven't heard that name in ages. Oh! The memories I have. . . . There I was, it was FOGGY, and dinosaurs ruled the Earth.
I was assigned to SWC DOT-D in the mid 80’s. It was great job, I met awesome folks, learned a lot about how the other side of the Army operated (TDA V. TOE) got to work on some interesting projects and meet awesome folks yadda, yadda; etc, etc.
One of the great things, then, was that every year you got to go and get “re-greened” – - Leave the Center and go do “something”. My first year, I scored the Canadian Jump Bivouac at Pettawawa, Ontario. The next year, I went to the Q-Course. When year three rolled around I had BIG expectations. (I was hoping for HALO.) (note to all: this is VOLUNTARY training.)
SEZ HE: “I have a great one for ya” . . . “it’s at FT Benjamin Harrison. . . That’s in Indianapolis . . . Where they hold the Big Race, . . . The Indianapolis 500? "
SEZ ME: “O . . . Kay. What’s the Course?”
SEZ HE: “It’s great. . . Cutting edge stuff. . . In a few years you will be SO happy to have this one. . . “
SEZ ME: “O . . . Kay. I was sorta, kinda, hoping for, you know, something like HALO?”
SEZ HE: “Ohhhh yeah, well . . . no slots available . . . sorry. BUT!!! This is a GREAT school and you will really like it.”
SEZ ME: “O . . . Kay. What is it?”
SEZ HE: “Computer school.”
SEZ ME: “O . . . No! No thanks, though. I have seen those guys in the basement. I don’t want to be like them. EVER. And, if I go to computer school, the Army will know about it and they will make do computer stuff. No thanks. Do ya got ANYthing else?”
SEZ HE: “Well, I do have SERE.”
SEZ ME: “I’ll take it.”
Without giving away too much, let me say the “S” part is interesting and really fun. The first “E” is really, really fun. The “R” part is not fun. The “R” part is so NOT fun in so MANY way that time seems to stop. After one particularly VERY NOT fun interrogation I was trying to get myself back together in my cell. My neighbor did what all good neighbors do, he messaged me. “HOW. . .R. . . U”.
I was in a very honest mood at the time, “B. . . A. . . D”.
He started with a long message that was very hard to keep up with. It was “AT . . . LEAST. . . U. . . R. . . NOT . . . IN . . . COMPUTER . . . SCHOOL.”
I started giggling. I couldn’t stop. So I earned another VERY NOT fun session.
But I did not care. Because, now, I just reminded myself where I wasn’t!:D
SpetsnaZ
02-05-2009, 13:27
Without giving away too much
After one particularly VERY NOT fun interrogation
You mean, after one particularly VERY NOT fun interview:D
Dozer523
02-05-2009, 14:14
You mean, after one particularly VERY NOT fun interview:D oh . . . Oh . . . OH! right, yeah, we wuz just talkin'. . . sure;)
greenberetTFS
02-05-2009, 17:33
SERE wasn't a part of the curriculum when I went through Training Group but we had to go through a 'training program' honchoed by Ike Camacho and Jesse Black down on Eglin somewhere prior to deploying to SEA. Never considered it to be 'torture' but it sure confirmed to me that I did not want to be a POW of the NVA/CT crowd. :eek:
NDD said it all about this guy.
Richard's $.02 :munchin
I did not go through SERE when I went through my Training Group either. But, I think NDD was right about this guy..................:rolleyes:
GB TFS :munchin
It was “AT . . . LEAST. . . U. . . R. . . NOT . . . IN . . . COMPUTER . . . SCHOOL.”
I started giggling. I couldn’t stop. So I earned another VERY NOT fun session.
But I did not care. Because, now, I just reminded myself where I wasn’t!:D
Sir, as I sit in a dark room, staring into the flickering blue light of a computer screen, wired up with a microphone and voice-to-text software, I will reflect on this. :D
TrapLine
02-06-2009, 09:00
OH? Is he from Minnesota?
:o Well deserved. Ouch!
"The Bearded one" I haven't heard that name in ages. Oh! The memories I have. Two things about Mrs. Morris (Prefix intentional) are apparent. One, he learned nothing in SERE and two he is a vagina.
OH? Is he from Minnesota?
OUCH! C'mon now! :p :D