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Sigaba
01-28-2009, 16:08
Source is here (http://abcnews.go.com/print?id=6750266).

Exclusive: CIA Station Chief in Algeria Accused of Rapes
"Ugly American"? Spy Boss Allegedly Drugged Muslim Women, Made Secret Sex Videos
By BRIAN ROSS, KATE McCARTHY, and ANGELA M. HILL

January 28, 2009—

The CIA's station chief at its sensitive post in Algeria is under investigation by the U.S. Justice Department for allegedly raping at least two Muslim women who claim he laced their drinks with a knock-out drug, U.S. law enforcement sources tell ABC News.

Officials say the 41-year old CIA officer, a convert to Islam, was ordered home by the U.S. Ambassador, David Pearce, in October after the women came forward with their rape allegations in September.

[Deleted: plug for ABC's nightly news program with that stalwart bastion of professional journalistic disinterestedness, Charlie Gibson.]

The discovery of more than a dozen videotapes showing the CIA officer engaged in sex acts with other women has led the Justice Department to broaden its investigation to include at least one other Arab country, Egypt, where the CIA officer had been posted earlier in his career, according to law enforcement officials.

The U.S. State Department referred questions to the Department of Justice, which declined to comment.

"It has the potential to be quite explosive if it's not handled well by the United States government," said Isobel Coleman, a senior fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations who specializes in women's issues in the Middle East.

"This isn't the type of thing that's going to be easily pushed under the carpet," she said.

The CIA refused to acknowledge the investigation or provide the name of the Algiers station chief, but the CIA Director of Public Affairs, Mark Mansfield, said, "I can assure you that the Agency would take seriously, and follow up on, any allegations of impropriety."

It can be a crime for government officials to reveal the identity of a current covert intelligence officer, and CIA officials would not comment the status of the person under investigation.

One of the alleged victims reportedly said she met the CIA officer at a bar in the U.S. embassy and then was taken to his official station chief residence where she said the sexual assault took place.

The second alleged victim reportedly told U.S. prosecutors that, in a separate incident, she also was drugged at the American's official residence before being sexually assaulted.

Officials Say One of the Alleged Victims is Seen On Tape

Both women have reportedly given sworn statements to federal prosecutors sent from Washington to prepare a possible criminal case against the CIA officer.

Following the initial complaints, U.S. officials say they obtained a warrant from a federal judge in Washington, D.C. in October to search the station chief's CIA-provided residence in Algiers and turned up the videos that appear to have been secretly recorded and show, they say, the CIA officer engaged in sexual acts.

Officials say one of the alleged victims is seen on tape, in a "semi-conscious state."

The time-stamped date on other tapes led prosecutors to broaden the investigation to Egypt because the date matched a time when CIA officer was in Cairo, officials said.

Pills found in the CIA residence were sent to the FBI crime laboratory for testing, according to officials involved in the case.

"Drugs commonly referred to as date rape drugs are difficult to detect because the body rapidly metabolizes them," said former FBI agent Brad Garrett, an ABC News consultant. "Many times women are not aware they were even assaulted until the next day," he said.

A third woman, a friend of one of the alleged victims, reportedly provided a cell phone video that showed her friend having a drink and dancing inside the CIA station chief's residence in Algiers, which officials told ABC News provided corroboration the CIA officer had indeed brought the woman to his residence.

The officer in charge of the CIA station in Algiers plays an important role in working with the Algerian intelligence services to combat an active al Qaeda wing responsible for a wave of bombings in Algeria.

In the most serious incident, 48 people were killed in a bombing in August, 2008 in Algiers, blamed on the al Qaeda group.

The Algerian ambassador to the United Nations, Mourad Benmehid, said his government had not been notified by the U.S. of the rape allegations or the criminal investigation.

Repeated messages left for the CIA officer with his parents and his sister were not returned.

No Charges Have Been Filed

No charges have been filed but officials said a grand jury was likely to consider an indictment on sexual assault charges as early as next month.

"This will be seen as the typical ugly American," said former CIA officer Bob Baer, reacting to the ABC News report. "My question is how the CIA would not have picked up on this in their own regular reviews of CIA officers overseas," Baer said.

"From a national security standpoint," said Baer, the alleged rapes would be "not only wrong but could open him up to potential blackmail and that's something the CIA should have picked up on," said Baer. "This is indicative of personnel problems of all sorts that run through the agency," he said.

"Rape is ugly in any context," said Coleman who praised the bravery of the alleged Algerian victims in going to authorities. "Rape is viewed as very shameful to women, and I think this is an opportunity for the US to show how seriously it takes the issue of rape," she said.

SF-TX
01-28-2009, 16:12
Other than to instigate Muslims, what is the point in listing the religion of the alleged victims? Counter that with reporting of incidents of violence committed by Muslims. The MSM will rarely identify them as Muslim, and if they do, we are typically counseled that religion had nothing to to do with the incident.

...The CIA's station chief at its sensitive post in Algeria is under investigation by the U.S. Justice Department for allegedly raping at least two Muslim women who claim he laced their drinks with a knock-out drug, U.S. law enforcement sources tell ABC News.

Officials say the 41-year old CIA officer, a convert to Islam, was ordered home by the U.S. Ambassador, David Pearce, in October after the women came forward with their rape allegations in September....

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=6750266&page=1

The Reaper
01-28-2009, 16:22
Other than to instigate Muslims, what is the point in listing the religion of the alleged victims? Counter that with reporting of incidents of violence committed by Muslims. The MSM will rarely identify them as Muslim, and if they do, we are typically counseled that religion had nothing to to do with the incident.

Sensationalism.

Hey, I thought Neon Leon was going to straighten out the Agency?

How can they make this President Bush's fault?:rolleyes:

TR

SF_BHT
01-28-2009, 16:33
Hell he was a convert I guess they trained him well. Guess they do not care if they defile Muslims or non musliums.......

Religion of Peace.....Haaaaaaaa

I am suprised they reported that he was a convert. Would have gotten more press if he was not.

Sigaba
01-28-2009, 16:34
Other than to instigate Muslims, what is the point in listing the religion of the alleged victims? Counter that with reporting of incidents of violence committed by Muslims. The MSM will rarely identify them as Muslim, and if they do, we are typically counseled that religion had nothing to to do with the incident.

Along your line of inquiry, what is the point of stating that alleged perpetrator is "a convert to Islam"? Maybe I'm reading too much between the lines, but it strikes me as a swipe at other types of converts: specifically Bush the Younger who switched denominations.

Pete
01-28-2009, 16:42
This does show the difference between the US and Muslim countries.

The US will go after the guy. The others would go after the females because it was their fault.

rubberneck
01-28-2009, 17:18
How can they make this President Bush's fault?:rolleyes:

TR

That's easy. It is because Bush administration did away with sexual harassment workshops for CIA station chiefs in favor of an advanced torturing techniques seminar. Do I win a prize?

Bill Harsey
01-28-2009, 17:39
"U.S. law enforcement sources" felt some overwhelming obligation to go tell ABC news before charges have been filed and from what I read, a grand jury has not yet either seen or ruled on the evidence?

something doesn't smell right.

Defender968
01-28-2009, 19:42
First off screw the MSM for posting this, especially with all of their slant. Second I know this guy gets the presumption of innocence, however if the allegations are there by multiple women and he got recalled then the odds are there is something to it, even if he is innocent of the rapes the mere perception of impropriety especially this type hurts our entire nation. Even if he didn’t rape them he should get shit-canned out of the Agency as clearly he’s not very good at being a spook and is real bad at foreign relations. If he is guilty I hope he rots in an Algerian prison for the rest of his natural life.

AngelsSix
01-28-2009, 21:17
Blackmail? Sounds like the guy had a fetish and got caught, plain and simple, but I wouldn't put the idea that some loser was trying to extort him. Still doesn't make the actions on his part proper by any means. I saw more than a few Joe's enjoying the local company in the sandbox when they thought no one was looking. The girls didn't look drugged to me.:rolleyes:

afchic
01-29-2009, 08:23
Exclusive: CIA Station Chief in Algeria Accused of Rapes
"Ugly American"? Spy Boss Allegedly Drugged Muslim Women, Made Secret Sex Videos
By BRIAN ROSS, KATE McCARTHY, and ANGELA M. HILL

Why does the MSM continually misuse this term? If any of them had ever actually read the book "Ugly American" they would know that it is not a pegorative term. Every time they use it in the manner they do reminds me of what a bunch of complete and total morons they are.

Kyobanim
01-29-2009, 10:10
reminds me of what a bunch of complete and total morons they are.

You need reminded? :p

afchic
01-29-2009, 10:14
You need reminded? :p

Its always good to be reminded. Remember, I am blonde, and sometimes I forget the important stuff!!!

Saoirse
01-29-2009, 10:22
Did anyone catch the recruiting commercials for the CIA? I have seen them aired on Fox News many times. I hope they aren't dropping their standards like the US military did, otherwise this is going to become commonplace. <rolling my eyes> I don't need to paint the picture.

Peregrino
01-29-2009, 10:58
"U.S. law enforcement sources" felt some overwhelming obligation to go tell ABC news before charges have been filed and from what I read, a grand jury has not yet either seen or ruled on the evidence?

something doesn't smell right.

Bill - I'm with you; something doesn't smell right. Not to denigrate the human cost to the victims if it's all true; but I hope somebody's looking at the larger picture. Aspects of this remind me of other partisan scandals. I hope a competent (you know - impartial and thorough :rolleyes: not that that's very likely) investigation produces tangible results; i.e., assignment of responsibility and punishment of the guilty. On the other hand we need to remain objective until the facts are determined. HUMINT can be dirty business; a "Duke Lacross Case" serves our enemies as well as any real incident. A stupid agent (with a proclivity towards "kink"), a competent adversary, a simple "honey trap", and a complicit media are all it takes to destroy years of work (or just impede access for years). If the charges are true, the individuals responsible for vetting/monitoring the accused and anybody involved in damage control should be fired - with prejudice. The potential damage to foreign policy/national image and the national security implications are significant. Talk about second and third order effects; CIA, DOS, and anybody else responsible for sensetive operations will be feeling this one for a long time.

Surf n Turf
01-29-2009, 22:22
On the other hand we need to remain objective until the facts are determined. HUMINT can be dirty business;
a "Duke Lacross Case" serves our enemies as well as any real incident.
A stupid agent (with a proclivity towards "kink"), a competent adversary, a simple "honey trap", and a complicit media are all it takes to destroy years of work (or just impede access for years).
If the charges are true, the individuals responsible for vetting/monitoring the accused and anybody involved in damage control should be fired - with prejudice. The potential damage to foreign policy/national image and the national security implications are significant.
Talk about second and third order effects; CIA, DOS, and anybody else responsible for sensitive operations will be feeling this one for a long time.

Peregrino,
If this guy is dirty, then he, and all that “vetted” and “monitored” his activities should suffer “terribly early retirement” – with prejudice.
Having said that – I think it is pretty safe to opine that a “Chief of Station” in a sensitive assignment would be personally monitored for any proclivity that would endanger his sensitive position and work.
I know that HUMINT has suffered since Carter / Turner, and that we are still rebuilding, but would hazard a guess that the CI assets were not standing idle while this transpired.

Some of the terms in the article seemed only to further obfuscate just what did happen:
“raping at least two Muslim women who claim he laced their drinks with a knock-out drug”
U.S. officials say they obtained a warrant from a federal judge in Washington, D.C. in October to search the station chief's CIA-provided residence in Algiers ---
"Drugs commonly referred to as date rape drugs are difficult to detect because the body rapidly metabolizes them," said former FBI agent Brad Garrett, an ABC News consultant.
A third woman, a friend of one of the alleged victims, reportedly provided a cell phone video that showed her friend having a drink and dancing inside the CIA station chief's residence in Algiers.
“praised the bravery of the alleged Algerian victims in going to authorities. "Rape is viewed as very shameful to women”

I think that any conclusions now are premature –
Snt

SF_BHT
01-29-2009, 23:00
I can tell you with a lot of experience that there is more to this than what is being reported............. There are many factors that are not falling into line and when it is all over you may be suprised how it will turn out.......:munchin

Basenshukai
01-29-2009, 23:39
From personal experience (and I really can't get into it), I am interested to see how this affects the "job" for his collegues. I know for a fact, that had it been one of our QPs involved in this, leaks by "unnamed sources" would be ensuring as much destruction of our efforts as possible.

SF_BHT
01-30-2009, 10:44
The Poly will tell all...

mcarey
01-30-2009, 23:20
He allegedly videoed one of the acts; could it be he was doing his job and providing a way to turn a well placed female or a family or clan of interest? (or he is a freak and stupid).

I look at MSM reports as I always do: there are three "truths" - truth on the ground, truth as reported, and truth as told by "officials". Generally my experiience is that the true story has elements of all and only those present know the real truth.

All that said, this is not a good story for the agency to deal with Panetta on the way to clean up their act.;)

Basenshukai
01-31-2009, 02:08
He allegedly videoed one of the acts; could it be he was doing his job and providing a way to turn a well placed female or a family or clan of interest? (or he is a freak and stupid).

I look at MSM reports as I always do: there are three "truths" - truth on the ground, truth as reported, and truth as told by "officials". Generally my experiience is that the true story has elements of all and only those present know the real truth.

All that said, this is not a good story for the agency to deal with Panetta on the way to clean up their act.;)

No sane field agent would allow himself to be filmed in such circumstances. I doubt this was "on the job". I think, he was just plain stupid. Plus, this guy was a Station Chief, very uncharacteristic for him to do something that politically dangerous and embarrasing - jeapordizing all the agents and operations under his watch - in various countries - as part of "the job" and then keep copies at his assigned home overseas. Nah, I don't buy it. This guy was an idiot.

Only difference here is that there will be no LA Times article talking about how this proves that CIA operations are dangerous to other intel collecting activities and so forth. Which is what would be said of our QPs, if it was them in the hot seat.

Dozer523
01-31-2009, 07:17
He allegedly videoed one of the acts; could it be he was doing his job and providing a way to turn a well placed female or a family or clan of interest? (or he is a freak and stupid).
I'm leaning toward "stupid freak".

AngelsSix
02-01-2009, 14:59
Stupid ass freak. Problem is, people who behave like that have been using their relative anonymity and their training to do things that others would not approve of. I will not make any sweeping judgments, but this guy is not the first. There are a number people in the intel community who do things like this. It usually comes out in public a couple of different ways. One, the wifey finds out. Two, the co-workers find out. Three, the women that are involved finally speak out. You can only use your job or posistion to cover your tracks so long, sooner or later it gets discovered.

Guy
02-01-2009, 22:31
I'm leaning toward "stupid freak".A freak who films himself doing freaky things is STUPID!

He could have gotten away with it IF, he was stationed in San Francisco.:D

Stay safe.

SF_BHT
02-01-2009, 23:28
He should have at least used his Batman outfit....:p

Guy
02-01-2009, 23:33
He should have at least used his Batman outfit....:pLMMFAO!:D

Can you imagine the stories that would have circulated from that "Batman" outfit? They would have blamed us QPs for putting him up to it...;)

Stay safe.

glebo
02-03-2009, 14:05
LMMFAO!:D

Can you imagine the stories that would have circulated from that "Batman" outfit? They would have blamed us QPs for putting him up to it...;)

Stay safe.


LMMFAO, I haven't heard of that one in YEARS!! What a story.

Richard
02-06-2009, 01:35
I checked with some "friends" on this one and:


the allegations are true as reported

this guy was not a 'shining star'


FWIW...this part of the government--and its PM capability in particular--is still suffering the 'gutting' it underwent during the WJC administration. :mad:

Richard's $.02 :munchin

mcarey
02-06-2009, 07:42
The solution is obvious....Panetta must hire more female case officers and operatives that have tight buns. College girls are the answer! They will fix the agency.

LR27
02-06-2009, 11:17
Informative read...

http://www.newsweek.com/id/182559

He seemed just the sort of spy the CIA is looking for to fight the war on terror. Andrew Warren is a 6-foot-4 African-American schooled in the martial arts. Steeped in Middle Eastern history, he is a convert to Islam who speaks six Arabic dialects. He was a natural to be the CIA's top man in Algiers, a North Africa listening post and frequent hotbed of terrorists. He told his friends that he entered the U.S. Foreign Service—his cover story—because he wanted to be "at the center of things."

Richard
02-06-2009, 11:25
FWIW...my "friends" who knew him said that they were "not impressed" with him, his performance, and his opinion of himself...and they are :mad:.

Richard's $.02 :munchin

LR27
02-06-2009, 11:31
I would be too if he was dragging my organization's name in the dirt. They have enough problems with their reputation as it is.

In that article, an instructor at the Farm called him "a loose cannon" and his confidence "bordered on narcissism." I don't know why he would graduate if he was considered a 'loose cannon.' Six Arabic dialects or not, if they predicted that back in his training, an Agency psychologist should have seen something like this coming.

Basenshukai
02-09-2009, 12:08
I would be too if he was dragging my organization's name in the dirt. They have enough problems with their reputation as it is.

In that article, an instructor at the Farm called him "a loose cannon" and his confidence "bordered on narcissism." I don't know why he would graduate if he was considered a 'loose cannon.' Six Arabic dialects or not, if they predicted that back in his training, an Agency psychologist should have seen something like this coming.


This is called "damage control". Now, he'll be thrown under the bus so that the perception is that he is just an glitch in an otherwise superb organization. Negative opinions about him will come out of the woodwork to create distance between him and his peers. That being said, it is obvious that this guy was a tool anyway.

Dozer523
02-09-2009, 14:16
The solution is obvious....Panetta must hire more female case officers and operatives that have tight buns. College girls are the answer! They will fix the agency. If "tight buns" and "college girls" are the answer; then I don't care what the question is!:p

LR27
03-21-2009, 12:37
More on Andrew Warren and other current scandals...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/03/19/AR2009031904134.html?nav=hcmodule

AngelsSix
03-22-2009, 18:25
We have own very own spy here in NC:



http://www.newsobserver.com/news/story/1453208.html