View Full Version : Another Booo Whooo for Carter...
I just cannot believe that this man would do such a foolish thing. Mugaube is one of the worst dictators ever in history and you have a peace loving, "I'm going to beat my last event at the White House", Carter who thinks he can save the world. Boy this burns me!
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,456424,00.html
Red Flag 1
11-22-2008, 11:04
Hard to see any good for anyone where POTUS after Ford is involved. The good he does escapes me.
POTUS after Ford is a nasty and bitter man, that is his legacy!:mad:
My $.02.
RF 1
Dozer523
11-22-2008, 11:59
Gosh MAB . . . did you read the article before you fired the FPF? Or was it just a case of "Carter-in-the-wire; DEMs in-the-open! Fire for Effect!"?
I qoute . . . "Carter and two other members of The Elders group — former U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan and rights advocate Graca Machel, who is married to Nelson Mandela — had planned to assess the country's humanitarian needs as Zimbabweans are stalked by disease and hunger while political crisis occupies its politicians. But they were told Friday night by former South African President Thabo Mbeki, who is mediating the political crisis, that efforts to secure travel visas for the group had failed, Carter told reporters at a news conference in Johannesburg. "We are very disappointed that the government of Zimbabwe would not permit us to come in, would not cooperate," Carter said.
It was the first time the 2002 Nobel Peace laureate has been denied permission to carry out a mission in any country, he said. Annan, also at the news conference, said no official reason had been given for the refusal. He said they read about it in Zimbabwe's state-run Herald newspaper, which reported Thursday that the group had been asked to "come at a later date" to accommodate the crop planting season. The article also said, however, that the group was seen as antagonistic toward Zimbabwe's government.
I don't seee a ringing endorsment for Mugabi here.
I thought he was an awful President when I was a Mech Infantryman WALKING all over FRG during his administration. When he left office, I'm sure he felt a great deal of disappointment. He took office in a time when America had heartbreaking doubts about itself (Vietnam, Nixon, Watergate, corporate scandals -- involving MILK!). RF if you want bitterness take a look at Nixon. I believe he has done an outstanding job as an ex-president demonstrating the best intentions of America. Mon-back.
POTUS after Ford is a nasty and bitter man, that is his legacy!:mad:
Red Flag --
I'm curious why you have this impression. My impressiion is that he is well meaning and trying to be useful. I respect Mr. Carter and haven't heard anything to make me believe he is "nasty." I'm willing to have my mind changed, though.
Don't get me wrong, I think he was one of the worst president's we've ever had. No need to start a list of the disasters during his watch. He was clearly not the right man for the job. I just don't see him as being "bitter." :confused:
His presidency is a classic example of the old adage, "The road to hell is paved with good intensions." But hey, without Carter would we have had Reagan?
"Democracy is worth dying for, because it's the most deeply honorable form of government ever devised by man." -- Ronald Reagan
(Dozer edged me out, sorry for the redundancy.)
ZonieDiver
11-22-2008, 13:24
(Dozer edged me out, sorry for the redundancy.)
Hey, any time we are discussing governmental figures and politicians, especiall those at the national level, redundancy is always appropriate! :) I hear BHO plans on starting a new cabinet-level department: the Department of Redundancy!
Dozer523,
What I was trying to say is that Mugabe is a dictator and that Carter who thinks that he is some kind of revolutionary speaker gifted to make peace and not war should not be surprised that not everyone wants to speak to nor hear from him. Carter may have been upset that such a country as Zimbabwe should deny him access. Personally, I think that he needs to keep his nose out of the world's crisis areas and just retire permanently before he is seriously considered a traitor to this great country of ours.
You are right about Mugabe. There is none intended. I don't sing the praises of any Dictator like Mugabe who just happens to be an especially bad one. My concern is with Carter who during his reign as POTUS caused us to allow the Russians and Chinese to catch up to us militarly amongst other past incidents as POTUS or not. He had his three strikes out when he went to Iran to talk there. I don't care for either one.
Red Flag 1
11-22-2008, 14:14
Nixon was bitter, no question. David Frost gave him a final chance for contrition. Nixon gave us Carter. Ford had little chance after the Watergate event and cover-up.
Carter gave a warm fuzzy look to folks, sitting around the WH in his sweater. He was awful for the military, axed all R&D on balilstic missle programs, killed the B-1 program, used the Olympics as a political weapon, discounted advice from The Shah of Iran on succession in Iran, for starters. Is there any question regarding Carter's support for the PLO? Why would he do that?
While at Vandenberg AFB, I was detailed to Rancho del Cielo many times. I met President Reagan several times. I spent time with Secret Service agents. Agents detailed to the Western Whitehouse were pretty good guys. They had many positive things to say about President Reagan. As for Carter, you will have to find one and ask on your own. I know what I have come to believe about Carter, and how I got there.
Carter did win a Nobel Peace Prize; so did Al Gore!
RF 1
Carter had his fingers in Hugo's reelection.
Correct me if I am wrong but did not Jimmy Carter and Andrew Young play a diplomatic part in turning Rhodesia in to Zimbabwe? Kind of ironic, isn't it?
x/S
exsquid,
You are absolutely correct. Carter thought it wrong to have a minority Prime Minister in office while supposedly a majority of people in Rhodesia were black. Carter was assisted by the Prime Minister of the U.K at the time (name escapes me) while working with a few other leaders of the free. They world (THe UN)disolved Rhodesia overnight. Some say that Ian Smith (Prime minister of Rhodesia) was involved secretly with the move. I am not sure if any of this is correct or not. Eventually the U.K. and even South Africa turned their back on the Rhodesians because of the backlash they would face if they didn't go with the program.
Dozer523
11-23-2008, 12:02
“Now ‘Teem’ this is something you MUST know!” is how Major Maa-tah-nOOn-say (That’s the closest I can come to the pronunciation of his name and Teem is as close as he ever got to mine!) would begin all the amazing things he shared and taught me when we were partners during the Q-course back in '86. “Taffy” was an exchange student in a class that seemed to have been half guests. There were soldiers from Zimbabwe, Kenya, Nigeria, Nepal, Singapore, Egypt, Saudi Arabia (rumored to be a prince), and the Hashemite Kingdom. I’d never seen a healed bullet wound and he had three on his back. When I asked what they were, he shared his story. . . "Now Teem, this is something you must know!!"
Taffy had grown up the son of an Anglican minister and his wife in Rhodesia. He was well-educated in the Black apartheid system. As a young educated man he became disenchanted with the system and went to Zambia and joined a rebel group. He quickly rose through the ranks and became a leader. On their first mission they crossed the lake in the north-east by fishing boat. Lake Kariba is large enough that one is “at sea” out of site of any land for many hours. Navigation was poor and they came in contact with Rhodesian air patrols. They were sunk far from land. Taffy and a few survivors swam naked for hours, washing up on the beach in Rhodesia. They located a cache (hidden in a termite mound) and refitted. They decided to abort the raid so Taffy and a small group proceeded to the nearest fishing village to secure a boat for the return trip.
“Now ‘Teem’ this is something you MUST know! When you ask a fisherman to take you back to your base leave someone with him so he cannot call the government. . “ When Taffy and the rebels returned they walked into a box ambush. It was not looking very good for the rebels but a herd of gazelle liked the firing even less. The fleet-footed herbivores initiated a Breakout from an Encirclement and Taffy and his band got right behind them and ran for their lives. They ran for two day. Everytime Taffy thought they were safe they were found by Rhodesian Army “helios”. Eventually, they were driven into a very large V-shaped ambush. (Taffy was a walking encyclopedia on the subject of ambushes!) That is where Taffy got the pock-marks on his back. He awoke in a military prison hospital. His wounds were cared for, he was tried, convicted and sentences to death as a traitor and a rebel. He waited in jail. Sometime before he was to be executed he was visited by a white army Colonel. It was explained to Taffy that the government knew that apartheid could not continue but there was no reason that everything had to be destroyed. Taffy had been checked out, they knew his upbringing – his father was very well respected – they knew he was educated and not a criminal. They offered him the choice of joining the Rhodesian Army with a view to becoming part of the Black leadership core or he would be executed. “Well, Teem. I thought about it . . . for about a second! And, well, here I am.” He was sent to Initial Training and then Sub-Altern training with other Blacks of similar background (not too many were rebels) and integrated into the Rhodesian Army. When the end of apartheid came the Army was already integrated AND functioning. The Army maintained order. This apparently happened in all areas of the government. The goal was a peaceful transition and stability. It worked for many years and then unfortunately . . . it appears that Mugabi lost his mind, became enamored of power, convinced himself that HE was Zimbabwe, or lost control of the economy, the exploding poor and un-enfranchised. (you can’t be “dis” if you never were.) I lost touch with my friend and I wonder about him often.
ZonieDiver
11-23-2008, 13:30
Thanks for the very enlightening post, Dozer. There was a movie based on a Harlod Robbins' novel (I know... I know) entitled "The Adventurers"- in which a revolutionary comes to power and soon becomes the embodiment of the previous power-holders - in another form.
Dozer523
11-23-2008, 14:16
Thanks for the very enlightening post, Dozer. There was a movie based on a Harlod Robbins' novel (I know... I know) entitled "The Adventurers"- in which a revolutionary comes to power and soon becomes the embodiment of the previous power-holders - in another form.
Absolute power corrupts absolutely. and Art mimics life.
ZonieDiver
11-23-2008, 14:47
And kick my ass for a heretic, but SO far, I have been encouraged by BHO's appointments to his "cabinet"! Not what I would wish, but far less worse than I could imagine it being! Of course, I am the kid who sees the pile of horse manure in the front yard, and goes tearing through it looking for the pony that MUST be there. ;)
Dozer523
11-23-2008, 23:00
And kick my ass for a heretic, but SO far, I have been encouraged by BHO's appointments to his "cabinet"! Not what I would wish, but far less worse than I could imagine it being! Of course, I am the kid who sees the pile of horse manure in the front yard, and goes tearing through it looking for the pony that MUST be there. ;)
Are you are a romantic scholar? I am referring to the last three words of Alexander Dumas' The Count of Monte Cristo.
greenberetTFS
11-24-2008, 11:10
Nixon was bitter, no question. David Frost gave him a final chance for contrition. Nixon gave us Carter. Ford had little chance after the Watergate event and cover-up.
Carter gave a warm fuzzy look to folks, sitting around the WH in his sweater. He was awful for the military, axed all R&D on balilstic missle programs, killed the B-1 program, used the Olympics as a political weapon, discounted advice from The Shaw if Iran on succession in Iran, for starters. Is there any question regarding Carter's support for the PLO? Why would he do that?
While at Vandenberg AFB, I was detailed to Rancho del Cielo many times. I met President Reagan several times. I spent time with Secret Service agents. Agents detailed to the Western Whitehouse were pretty good guys. They had many positive things to say about President Reagan. As for Carter, you will have to find one and ask on your own. I know what I have come to believe about Carter, and how I got there.
Carter did win a Nobel Peace Prize; so did Al Gore!
RF 1
Good post RF 1........I agree 100%.
GB TFS :munchin
ZonieDiver
11-24-2008, 13:38
Are you are a romantic scholar? I am referring to the last three words of Alexander Dumas' The Count of Monte Cristo.
I'm just an unedu-ma-cated former enlisted swine - not a scholar of any type, especially "romantic"! But, as a kid, I did love Dumas! I am not usually much of one for "waiting and hoping" - but in this case, I don't see that I can do much else... for now. :o
Dozer523
11-24-2008, 14:35
I'm just an unedu-ma-cated former enlisted swine - not a scholar of any type, especially "romantic"! But, as a kid, I did love Dumas! I am not usually much of one for "waiting and hoping" - but in this case, I don't see that I can do much else... for now. :o
Nice try Zonie! I saw you are a teacher and I've been trying to G-2 your classroom. I pegged you for math but now Literature? :confused: That is the quote I was thinking of. (The quote of which I was thinking.) I, too, enjoyed that book imensly . . . ummm, a lot. I got hooked on the classics during deployments. My Team Sargeant made everyone bring two books -- paperback, at least 200 pages, nothing nasty. We'd read em and pass em. One time waiting for transport back to a capitol city somewhere we were catching some shade, reading, when a tour bus stopped. We told them were English teachers on sabatical. Oh Yeah, someone could always be counted on for the latest Loius Lamour too! I'm STILL trying to finish Moby Dick!:lifter