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11-06-2008, 13:25
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The Treatment of Bush Has Been a Disgrace
What must our enemies be thinking?
By JEFFREY SCOTT SHAPIRO
Earlier this year, 12,000 people in San Francisco signed a petition in support of a proposition on a local ballot to rename an Oceanside sewage plant after George W. Bush. The proposition is only one example of the classless disrespect many Americans have shown the president.

According to recent Gallup polls, the president's average approval rating is below 30% -- down from his 90% approval in the wake of 9/11. Mr. Bush has endured relentless attacks from the left while facing abandonment from the right.

This is the price Mr. Bush is paying for trying to work with both Democrats and Republicans. During his 2004 victory speech, the president reached out to voters who supported his opponent, John Kerry, and said, "Today, I want to speak to every person who voted for my opponent. To make this nation stronger and better, I will need your support, and I will work to earn it. I will do all I can do to deserve your trust."

Those bipartisan efforts have been met with crushing resistance from both political parties.

The president's original Supreme Court choice of Harriet Miers alarmed Republicans, while his final nomination of Samuel Alito angered Democrats. His solutions to reform the immigration system alienated traditional conservatives, while his refusal to retreat in Iraq has enraged liberals who have unrealistic expectations about the challenges we face there.

It seems that no matter what Mr. Bush does, he is blamed for everything. He remains despised by the left while continuously disappointing the right.

Yet it should seem obvious that many of our country's current problems either existed long before Mr. Bush ever came to office, or are beyond his control. Perhaps if Americans stopped being so divisive, and congressional leaders came together to work with the president on some of these problems, he would actually have had a fighting chance of solving them.

Like the president said in his 2004 victory speech, "We have one country, one Constitution and one future that binds us. And when we come together and work together, there is no limit to the greatness of America."

To be sure, Mr. Bush is not completely alone. His low approval ratings put him in the good company of former Democratic President Harry S. Truman, whose own approval rating sank to 22% shortly before he left office. Despite Mr. Truman's low numbers, a 2005 Wall Street Journal poll found that he was ranked the seventh most popular president in history.

Just as Americans have gained perspective on how challenging Truman's presidency was in the wake of World War II, our country will recognize the hardship President Bush faced these past eight years -- and how extraordinary it was that he accomplished what he did in the wake of the September 11 attacks.

The treatment President Bush has received from this country is nothing less than a disgrace. The attacks launched against him have been cruel and slanderous, proving to the world what little character and resolve we have. The president is not to blame for all these problems. He never lost faith in America or her people, and has tried his hardest to continue leading our nation during a very difficult time.

Our failure to stand by the one person who continued to stand by us has not gone unnoticed by our enemies. It has shown to the world how disloyal we can be when our president needed loyalty -- a shameful display of arrogance and weakness that will haunt this nation long after Mr. Bush has left the White House.

Mr. Shapiro is an investigative reporter and lawyer who previously interned with John F. Kerry's legal team during the presidential election in 2004.

The Reaper
11-06-2008, 13:27
BDS - Bush Derangement Syndrome.

I think that history will vindicate him, unless the haters write that as well.

TR

echoes
11-06-2008, 13:39
Though I am not an expert in politics...I will always admire G.W.B. for his leadership during the hours of 9-11. Can only hope He utilized Special Forces during those dark hours....And I commend Him for a job done well...IMVHO.

Holly

Red Flag 1
11-06-2008, 13:53
TR,

I have to agree!!

President Bush has stood proud, and frequently alone. His positive view of life, guided from above seems somehow hollow today. That reflects the lack of support from the GOP and the media. Even in recognition of Democratic party win, President Bush has been positive, unifying, and...well just George W. Bush. I believe that President Bush will be seen as a hero in the eyes of the world. The US media is arrogant and self serving. The US media, and the Democratic party won the 2008 election. This does not mean that the worldwide media agrees forever. There are just too many positive global changes George H.W.Bush, and his son George W.Bush have brought to our world!

Presidents Bush have been honorable men. Both have stood up to be counted when no-one else would. Both, along with President Reagan, have advanced freedom and democracy around the world. Let us pray that our next POTUS can do the same!

My $.02.

RF 1

JGarcia
11-06-2008, 14:13
He's done stuff I wouldn't have done, but he did some great things and stood bravely when others might have crumbled.

AF Doc
11-06-2008, 14:29
I think that history will vindicate him, unless the haters write that as well.



I agree. It may take a few decades to do so, but I believe he will eventually be vindicated.

I certainly credit him for having a vision and leading the country instead of trying to be popular. He 'toed the line.'

SilkRider32
11-06-2008, 14:39
There are things that have been done behind the scenes most of us will never know about dealing with the war on terror. They were kept silent in order not to tip our hand. Like The Reaper said time will vindicate him and we will see how much he really done. We have not had anymore attacks on the home front since 9/11 so something must be being done right.

Sigaba
11-06-2008, 15:17
I agree that history will provide a more balanced assessment of Bush the Younger's presidency than his critics have offered thus far.

For what it is worth, the scholarly study of modern presidents seems to follow a trend.*


The initial assessment of a president occurs while he's still in office. The writers are most often journalists, former members of the administration, pundits, commentators, political scientists, and historians (who should know better). Generally, these assessments reflect the popular view of the incumbent. Frequently, the writer has a political ax to grind.


The next assessment comes after the president leaves office. Generally, the works are memoirs. These memoirs are frequently a mixed bag as the writer may have an ax to grind, may be looking to capitalize on the lucrative lecture circuit, may not sufficiently document his or her sources, and may privilege a point of view perspective at the expense of the bigger picture.


The third wave consists of the first attempt at serious scholarly studies. These works are most often articles, conference papers, collected essays, dissertations, and very thin monographs. Overall, these works may suffer from the fact that the most relevant documents are unavailable due to security and privacy concerns. These works benefit from the fact that the members of the administration are still alive and are often glad to offer additional information in the form of interviews. These works suffer due to the lack of distance from the time being studied. Often a president is compared to recent peers from the opposite party. For FDR to look good, Hoover must look bad, Ike is JFK's foil, LBJ didn't really understand what JFK meant to do in Vietnam.


The fourth wave also consists mostly of scholarly works. These works benefit from increased access to government documents and often serve to correct, to refine, or to refute interpretations offered by the third wave.


The fifth wave begins as classified documents become available. Broadly, works in this category will bring into sharper detail the extraordinary challenges all presidents face. In some instances, the reputation of a president can swing in the opposite direction. As the OP indicates, Truman's reputation has skyrocketed. Likewise, Eisenhower is now regarded as one of America's best presidents.


The sixth wave sees small but significant tweaks to interpretations in the fifth wave. During this phase, a 'warts and all' perspective becomes codified. Also, the interpretations offered in the fifth and sixth wave take hold into some of the broader historical interpretation of the age.***


The seventh wave occurs rarely as it requires the declassification of most government documents in the U.S. and a similar level of access to foreign archives. In this phase, the biggest obstacle will most likely remain the former Soviet Union. Stalin and his henchmen killed so many people that Russians still cannot afford the political cost of finding out where the bodies are buried.


In a nutshell, scholars generally realize that unfavorable contemporary assessments of a president are over done. Most presidents faced difficult choices and did the best that they could. (You may want to make sure you're not drinking anything right now as you may end up having to clean your computer screen....) For example, scholars now have a certain level of respect, even admiration, for Johnson and Carter.

A limiting factor in these trends is the unfortunate fact that many academic disciplines are left of center. The historical profession is in firm control of the Generation of 1968. For many in this group, there's little difference between the president-elect and Senator Goldwater. Moreover, this generation frowns upon political, diplomatic, and military history. (As one professor sneered on several occasions "Why would anyone want to study naval history?") This group is challenged by the notion that the United States just may be an exceptional nation after all.

In my view, this limiting factor is hampering the scholarship on President Reagan and will have a similar impact on the study of Bush the Younger. ***

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*This analysis borrows concepts from Donald Cameron Watt's discussion of the historiography of the Cold War.
**The scholarship on President Wilson follows a different trend that sees him rehabilitated and trashed on a continuing basis. Meanwhile, access to JFK's presidential library is closely controlled by that facility's administrators. They essentially want to know what you're going to write before you enter the archives.
***Nixon is a slightly different matter. Due to the circumstances of his departure from the White House, the government seized his presidential papers. As he does not yet have a dedicated presidential library, there is no single repository for all of his papers.

echoes
11-06-2008, 15:26
We have not had anymore attacks on the home front since 9/11 so something must be being done right.

Again, IMVHO, W. must have done something right...

But I am no armchair QB. Others, well, might be...

Holly

uboat509
11-06-2008, 17:44
I would say that few on the right are going to find fault with President Bush's handling of 9/11. You might even find some on the left, like Lieberman who will also speak well of his handling of 9/11. Other than that the government grew under his watch. Spending went up. There was Harriet Miers and Mike Brown. Don't even get me started on No Child Left Behind. None of that is going to endear him to the the conservatives, and for good reason. There is no doubt that George W. Bush was a thousand times better than either of the alternatives in 2000 and 2004 but I don't think that he will be remembered as a great president like Reagan or Lincoln.

SFC W

Big Daddy
11-07-2008, 21:46
A framed picture of President George W Bush hangs in my living room. It will remain there until I die. Call me crazy if you must, but I believe history will show W to be one of the best Presidents this country has ever had. I love that man and am not ashamed to admit it. I take a lot of heat for my feelings for him but so what. Remember, Teddy Roosevelt was not too highly thought of while in office. He is now considered one of the best. I believe W will be treated in the same way.

As an aside, did anybody happen to catch this weeks episode of Boston Legal? I only mention it because if there ever was a better example of media bias against George Bush I have yet to see it.

I say God bless George Bush and the entire Bush family. And thank you Mr. President for a Job Well Done!

Sigaba
11-07-2008, 21:58
A framed picture of President George W Bush hangs in my living room. It will remain there until I die. Call me crazy if you must, but I believe history will show W to be one of the best Presidents this country has ever had. I love that man and am not ashamed to admit it. I take a lot of heat for my feelings for him but so what. Remember, Teddy Roosevelt was not too highly thought of while in office. He is now considered one of the best. I believe W will be treated in the same way.

As an aside, did anybody happen to catch this weeks episode of Boston Legal? I only mention it because if there ever was a better example of media bias against George Bush I have yet to see it.

I say God bless George Bush and the entire Bush family. And thank you Mr. President for a Job Well Done!

Big Daddy-- I joined the GOP in 1988 for many reasons, not the least of which was my growing appreciation for Bush the Elder.

I believe that Bush the Younger is as decent a man as his father, as warm as his mother, and is greatly misunderstood and deliberately portrayed in an unfavorably light by the fourth estate.

While I believe the historical record will vindicate Bush the Younger on many issues, I don't know that he'll be regarded as a great president. (Unless, as I suspect may be the case, there's a lot more to GWOT than we'll know for a century.) I am, however, confident that this 'worst president ever' talk will eventually subside. (And I'm sure the president-elect will quickly realize that the job is much tougher than he ever dreamed, regardless of what he will say publicly.)

Big Daddy
11-08-2008, 08:29
I worked in Chicago to help elect George the Elder back in the day. I was fortunate enough to meet him, shake his hand. The work I did was miniscule, almost not even worth mentioning. He thanked me and shook my hand. A few months later I received an envelope from the White House which in itself was a thrilling experience. Inside was a thank you note signed by George the Elder. What a gentleman and class act. I also met his wife a few years later. Another class act and wonderful person. But I love George W. I truly believe that if not for him, this world would look alot different than it does now. And I don't mean for the better.

BTW, the title of "worst president ever" IMHO belongs to Jimmy Carter

greenberetTFS
11-08-2008, 12:09
He was a fine christian man with high moral values,enough said.........:)

GB TFS :munchin