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Paslode
11-04-2008, 20:18
Maybe it is just me, but I find the exit polls and the PREDICTIONS totally annoying.....actually it is more than annoying, but I can't put words together to describe what, but I think it is absolutely wrong, almost an injustice and honestly I wish there was a law against such practices.

What do you think about exit polls and predicting the winners state by state?

Gypsy
11-04-2008, 20:21
I'd like to see a media blackout until ALL votes are in from around the country.

Defender968
11-04-2008, 20:22
Completely concur, they're calling states with only 2 % reported based on exit polls, it's BS, and I'd be all for it being illegal.

TheLion03
11-04-2008, 20:31
I agree, they are leading people on with this, it will be close very close and I have a feeling that we will not know the outcome for a few days because at the smallest misstep either party will cry wolf and rightfully so.

GreenSalsa
11-04-2008, 20:47
Actually I find it amazing that they will call a state with only 2-5% of the precincts reporting in. I understand that there are some urban areas that might have some more sway then others...but IMHO--they should report it when they are done 100%.

While I am on the "soapbox" I might add I would like to see a law passed that expressively forbids politicians who currently hold one office from running for another.

If they want another job, they shouldn't be doing at taxpayer expense--do the job they were elected just like Bob Dole did.

Sdiver
11-04-2008, 20:47
I'd like to see a media blackout until ALL votes are in from around the country.


Agree 100%.

I don't even watch what's on during election night. I just got done watching my favorite James Bond DVD, Thunderball, now I'm taking a break, then I'll probably pop in V for Vendetta......

Remember remember the fifth of November
Gunpowder, treason and plot.
I see no reason why gunpowder, treason
Should ever be forgot...

Then I'll probably build a Bonfire and burn a "Guy". :D :munchin

JumpinJoe1010
11-04-2008, 20:48
It would be very interesting to see the networks backtrack after calling a state like Ohio or Pennsylvania.

If the reality is that we have Barrack Hussein Obama as President, I will have to take a bite out of the o'le sandwich.

Sdiver
11-04-2008, 20:50
It would be very interesting to see the networks backtrack after calling a state like Ohio or Pennsylvania.

They sure did back in the 2000 election, when the networks projected FLORIDA as being for Gore, and we all know how THAT turned out. :D

TheLion03
11-04-2008, 20:57
I think the liberal media being the first to report on this is terrible. Not only do they get the first chance to pick thier own outcome but they also know that people close to the candidates are paying close attention and will adjust fire accordingly

USANick7
11-04-2008, 21:04
I am amazed...baffled.

All I want is for one Obama supporter to tell me truly why they think that guy is a proper choice for this position.

But I want an honest explanation...

I don't want to hear about hope, and puppy dogs...

I want someone to honestly tell me that its ok that Jeremiah Wright was his spiritual influence. Its ok to pall around with a man like Bill Ayers. The founders would have wanted us to take money from our neighbors and use it for government run social programs. The surge really didn't work. Tax policy isn't about generating revenue for necessary state functions, its about ensuring economic "fairness". The supreme court should decide cases based off of arbitrary inclinations to people because of skin color, economic status, etc. The Constitution is too restrictive when it comes to allowing government to redistribute wealth, and should be changed. Its a good idea to unconditionally talk to world leaders that openly advocate nuclear holocaust.

So is that it? Is that what Obama supporters, and what looks like the majority of the American people really believe?

I will say this much...

If Obama does win, then I think, I would prefer they get their 60 seats in the Senate as well, because I don't want there to be one stumbling block in the way of their policies for at least 2 years. I want people to drink very deeply of the cup they have just asked for. I just pray that they have their fill before it is too late.

Sigaba
11-04-2008, 21:10
Actually I find it amazing that they will call a state with only 2-5% of the precincts reporting in. I understand that there are some urban areas that might have some more sway then others...but IMHO--they should report it when they are done 100%.

While I am on the "soapbox" I might add I would like to see a law passed that expressively forbids politicians who currently hold one office from running for another.

If they want another job, they shouldn't be doing at taxpayer expense--do the job they were elected just like Bob Dole did.

Sir--

If I may join you on the soap box, here is my wish list of additional reforms:

National elections should occur over a weekend to encourage greater participation.
Media blackouts as long as any voting was in progress.
Debates in which candidates must answer the questions asked or have their microphones turned off.
An ongoing independent audit of presidential campaigns ($600 million?! for Senator Obama's campaign? Some of that went to someone's iPod).
An independent agency to verify voter identity.
The 50 states would be broken up into groups of four that would rotate their primaries.


I'm off the soap box and back to being not the least bit bitter.

No, wait...just a moment.

I am amazed...baffled.

All I want is for one Obama supporter to tell me truly why they think that guy is a proper choice for this position.

But I want an honest explanation...

I don't want to hear about hope, and puppy dogs...

I want someone to honestly tell me that its ok that Jeremiah Wright was his spiritual influence. Its ok to pall around with a man like Bill Ayers. The founders would have wanted us to take money from our neighbors and use it for government run social programs. The surge really didn't work. Tax policy isn't about generating revenue for necessary state functions, its about ensuring economic "fairness". The supreme court should decide cases based off of arbitrary inclinations to people because of skin color, economic status, etc. The Constitution is too restrictive when it comes to allowing government to redistribute wealth, and should be changed. Its a good idea to unconditionally talk to world leaders that openly advocate nuclear holocaust.

So is that it? Is that what Obama supporters, and what looks like the majority of the American people really believe?





It would be one thing if I got the sense that Senator Obama had a coherent political philosophy other than Stick It To The Man. I can respect a true liberal who loves his country and his countrymen and thus believes that the American state had some responsibility to provide a social safety net for reasons he could articulate (such as to prevent the rise of mass dissatisfaction among the masses that would lead to increasingly radical political movements or that America cannot be the City on the Hill if too many of its citizens are living below the poverty line). I would argue with that person until we were blue (or red) in the face, but I would know I was talking to a patriot.

But this guy. This [long string of expletives deleted] guy is no patriot. This guy does not respect the values of this country. You do not stay under the guidance of a man who, after one of the darkest days in American history, gets up on the pulpit and jeers at the dead. You do not accept the support in any way shape or form of a guy who thinks it was all right to detonate bombs. You do not run for one public office simply so you can have a secure job that you have no intention of doing while you try to get your next job. You do not insult intentionally the beliefs and values of your fellow citizens who have the audacity to practice their civil rights.

But most of all, you do not aspire to be the first African American president without setting a standard for yourself that is so high that even on your most average day on the campaign trail, rank and file Americans have such fundamental questions about your character, your beliefs, your skills, your experience, or your readiness. Instead, you truly behave like the transformational human being your sycophants say you are, so that even your most cynical critic will have a moment in the voting booth when he or she says "this guy has really got it together." Instead, you conduct yourself with such dignity and put so much pressure on your opponent to bring out the best in himself or herself that the voters know that who ever wins on election day is going to be, hands down, no question about it, a sensational president.

Instead, we get this guy.

Bitter? Me? Never.

Richard
11-04-2008, 21:17
For medicinal purpose, of course, I'm sitting here enjoying a nice glass of Stag's Leap Cabernet-Sauvignon from the Fay Ranch :):) and a 65% cacao bar of chocolate, just finished watching "Shooter" and am now watching "Inherit the Wind" with Spencer Tracy. "To Kill a Mockingbird" is up next...and then I'm off to bed and I'll check the results in the morning news.

Ahhh...I love these election eves. ;)

Richard's $.02 :munchin

JumpinJoe1010
11-04-2008, 21:18
For medicinal purpose, of course, I'm sitting here enjoying a nice glass of Stag's Leap Cabernet-Sauvignon from the Fay Ranch :):) and a 65% cacao bar of chocolate, just finished watching "Shooter" and am now watching "Inherit the Wind" with Spencer Tracy. "To Kill a Mockingbird" is up next...and then I'm off to bed and I'll check the results in the morning news.

Ahhh...I love these election eves. ;)

Richard's $.02 :munchin

It's like Christmas with BHO as Santa Claus.

TheLion03
11-04-2008, 21:22
I am amazed...baffled.

All I want is for one Obama supporter to tell me truly why they think that guy is a proper choice for this position.

But I want an honest explanation...

I don't want to hear about hope, and puppy dogs...

I want someone to honestly tell me that its ok that Jeremiah Wright was his spiritual influence. Its ok to pall around with a man like Bill Ayers. The founders would have wanted us to take money from our neighbors and use it for government run social programs. The surge really didn't work. Tax policy isn't about generating revenue for necessary state functions, its about ensuring economic "fairness". The supreme court should decide cases based off of arbitrary inclinations to people because of skin color, economic status, etc. The Constitution is too restrictive when it comes to allowing government to redistribute wealth, and should be changed. Its a good idea to unconditionally talk to world leaders that openly advocate nuclear holocaust.

So is that it? Is that what Obama supporters, and what looks like the majority of the American people really believe?

I will say this much...

If Obama does win, then I think, I would prefer they get their 60 seats in the Senate as well, because I don't want there to be one stumbling block in the way of their policies for at least 2 years. I want people to drink very deeply of the cup they have just asked for. I just pray that they have their fill before it is too late.

Sir,

you make an amazing point, I just asked a friend of mine what brought him to the conclusion that Obama was better. He told me that the only reason he voted was, the country needed a change either a woman or a black man. he didnt know the issues let alone care about them. a sign of the times I guess. this will be the start of the end and I gentleman am honestly baffled by this.

the people are so worried about being PC they fail to see the loss to the country

Kyobanim
11-04-2008, 21:27
What am I feeling?

I'm feeling like I should probably practice bending over.

I see this headed for a McCain majority but obama gets the electoral college.

Paslode
11-04-2008, 21:46
Sir,

you make an amazing point, I just asked a friend of mine what brought him to the conclusion that Obama was better. He told me that the only reason he voted was, the country needed a change either a woman or a black man. he didnt know the issues let alone care about them. a sign of the times I guess. this will be the start of the end and I gentleman am honestly baffled by this.

the people are so worried about being PC they fail to see the loss to the country


Yeah......they want change, and they want it now, it is the buy it on credit think about it later mindset:(

cornelyj
11-04-2008, 21:57
"Hope" you enjoy waiting in line behind everyone else in the country who is poorer than you for the health care you work hard to pay for.

:: just turned off fox and drinking a beer ::

jwt5
11-04-2008, 22:15
disappointment in my fellow americans...

dr. mabuse
11-04-2008, 23:13
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FMF DOC
11-04-2008, 23:17
Actually I find it amazing that they will call a state with only 2-5% of the precincts reporting in. I understand that there are some urban areas that might have some more sway then others...but IMHO--they should report it when they are done 100%.

While I am on the "soapbox" I might add I would like to see a law passed that expressively forbids politicians who currently hold one office from running for another.

If they want another job, they shouldn't be doing at taxpayer expense--do the job they were elected just like Bob Dole did.

Was talking about this at work.... Amazing that they do that... I lost track of how many were wrong with the 2-5% of the vote and what it really ended up. I'm for the media blackout 100%....

frostfire
11-05-2008, 08:03
So is that it? Is that what Obama supporters, and what looks like the majority of the American people really believe?

I will say this much...

If Obama does win, then I think, I would prefer they get their 60 seats in the Senate as well, because I don't want there to be one stumbling block in the way of their policies for at least 2 years. I want people to drink very deeply of the cup they have just asked for. I just pray that they have their fill before it is too late.

I echo this statement. I'd like to see if the BHO team can/will deliver all the promises, and the people pay because they played.

As young and inexperienced as I am, I keep an open mind so I want to see if my allegiance to the conservative values all these years are plain straight wrong and in the way of "change" and progress. I also want to see if the Almight is truly in control and as just (and merciful) as His messengers claim.

We've passed harsh judgement on the qualities of today's American, the youth etc etc. I suppose, it's only natural for the election to reflect those qualities.

I guess I feel ambivalence.

The Reaper
11-05-2008, 09:30
Does anyone remember early in the primary season, when many here opined that none of the Repub candidates excited them, and that they would like to see the Dims in charge for a few years?

We got it! Should be interesting.

TR

MVS2
11-05-2008, 10:50
I am amazed...baffled.

All I want is for one Obama supporter to tell me truly why they think that guy is a proper choice for this position.

But I want an honest explanation...

I don't want to hear about hope, and puppy dogs...

I want someone to honestly tell me that its ok that Jeremiah Wright was his spiritual influence. Its ok to pall around with a man like Bill Ayers. The founders would have wanted us to take money from our neighbors and use it for government run social programs. The surge really didn't work. Tax policy isn't about generating revenue for necessary state functions, its about ensuring economic "fairness". The supreme court should decide cases based off of arbitrary inclinations to people because of skin color, economic status, etc. The Constitution is too restrictive when it comes to allowing government to redistribute wealth, and should be changed. Its a good idea to unconditionally talk to world leaders that openly advocate nuclear holocaust.

So is that it? Is that what Obama supporters, and what looks like the majority of the American people really believe?

I will say this much...

If Obama does win, then I think, I would prefer they get their 60 seats in the Senate as well, because I don't want there to be one stumbling block in the way of their policies for at least 2 years. I want people to drink very deeply of the cup they have just asked for. I just pray that they have their fill before it is too late.


Ask this group, they have some answers and opinions on why Obama is the right man for the job.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iM2xHggg7Uk

Sorry if this post is out of it's appropriate category