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NousDefionsDoc
06-03-2004, 16:44
Ok, need a little help here. I'm looking for a new inclement weather jacket. I've had an SAS Goretex parka for the last 10 years and I like it, but its time to DX it, I've sewn new liners in it a couple of times and its lost its waterproofing. And it looks like it should belong to Joe Shit the Ragman.
Conditions - about 40 degrees F and raining most of the time. Moderately rough use. Needs to have a hood. Looking for something other than black this time. Maybe an OD type color.
Help a brother out with some G2.
The Reaper
06-03-2004, 17:09
Second Gen Issue Gore-Tex is very nice, currently, I think the Marines are the only ones with it.
Patagonia has some decent stuff, and as AD SF, I get a discount from them.
I REALLY like the fleece SPEAR jackets, and they are relatively inexpensive. You can get them with, or without Windstopper.
Personally, I would get the new PCU parka and wear a SPEAR fleece jacket underneath.
mm has a page on the PCU:
http://www.militarymorons.com/gear/gear.1.html
HTH
TR
Ambush Master
06-03-2004, 17:17
My wife found some great Columbia Sportswear Jackets that are waterproof and have a zip on hood & zip in fleece lining. They are made for skiing and when the liner is out they are not hot and really do keep the water out. She found them after-season-sale at Pennies Outlet Mall for under $40.00. I wore mine 4-wheeling several times through the brush, and it is quite durable ripstop weave. Would you want me to take a look over there ?? I'll try and get a pic of mine if you're interested.
Later
Martin
Maple Flag
06-03-2004, 17:19
Sounds like your original jacket fit the bill. Why not just get a replacement waterproof breathable smock in OD from a company like Arktis?
A W/B no frills jacket can also be had to wear under BDU's eliminating noise and shine somewhat, if this is a factor for you.
militarymoron
06-03-2004, 18:10
hey NDD,
i really like the PCU soft shell jacket, but i'd hesitate to use in anything but 'occasional' inclement weather, because it's not waterproof, just water resistant (lacking taped seams). if it's heavy rain you're going to see, water will eventually find its way through the seams.
the nextec nylon fabric *might* not be hard-wearing enough for rough use - the PCU could use double layers on the elbows. time will tell - mine's held up fine but a couple of people in industry have brought up some issues with durability.
i'd go with reaper's first recommendation and layer a SPEAR jacket or lightweight fleece top under a gen II goretex parka.
cheers,
MM
NousDefionsDoc
06-03-2004, 19:12
Where does one get this SPEAR jacket?
The Reaper
06-03-2004, 19:39
You can buy them commercially or I can look for one here locally.
Usually less than $70, same black fleece jacket you see in the OEF pictures.
At 40 degrees, I guarantee that you will love it.
GEN Franks and the boyz seem to be enjoying theirs in this pic.
TR
NousDefionsDoc
06-03-2004, 19:50
That's waterproof? If so I like it.
The Reaper
06-03-2004, 19:55
Originally posted by NousDefionsDoc
That's waterproof? If so I like it.
Negative, that one is fleece, in no way waterproof or wind resistant. Discovered that on a motorcycle one night. There is a windstopper version that I also have with a hood and wristovers. Also not really waterproof, but better than the first.
The issue Goretex has no liner, and requires insulation if it is cold and wet.
They would be outer garments if it is cold and dry, liners in a goretex shell, should it be cold and wet, or could be left behind if it is warm and wet.
Sorry for the confusion.
TR
NousDefionsDoc
06-03-2004, 20:00
Roger, the confusion was mine. Is the goretex available there?
The Reaper
06-03-2004, 20:14
Only First Gen, and usually in BDU. Still a good jacket, if you don't mind camo. Occasionally may see one in DCU.
Used start at about $70, run up to $125 or so new. Typically lots of small sizes, slimmer pickings in L and XL.
Marines could probably get you a 2nd Gen.
TR
As much as it pains me to say it, I think the USMC version of the SPEAR fleece jacket is better than the SOF version, as the USMC version has adjustable cuffs and an adjustable shockcorded hem, where the SOF version has permanently sewn elastic on both, so you can't vent out the cuffs or bottom very well. I know, I know...I'll go put on the scarlet 'H' for heretic now.
The Reaper
06-03-2004, 20:27
Originally posted by Razor
As much as it pains me to say it, I think the USMC version of the SPEAR fleece jacket is better than the SOF version, as the USMC version has adjustable cuffs and an adjustable shockcorded hem, where the SOF version has permanently sewn elastic on both, so you can't vent out the cuffs or bottom very well. I know, I know...I'll go put on the scarlet 'H' for heretic now.
The ones we were issued have both.
Whaddaya know, I are a jarhead!
Semper Fi!
TR
Naw, you're far too literate (just kidding, Marines). ;)
NDD, got a question for you. Does the shell need to be breathable? I ask, as I feel that Gore-Tex and similar membranes don't work very well unless there's a significant difference between the ambient temp/relative humidity and the temp/RH inside the jacket. In your locale with its rather mild temps and high RH, would a warm fleece jacket or soft shell, with a lightweight, waterproof, non-breathable shell to put on when it starts to really rain be a better solution? Never spent any time down south, so this is more a question than suggestion.
Footmobile
06-03-2004, 21:01
Might I suggest this little gem?
Arcteryx Sidewinder (http://www.arcteryx.com/product.aspx?group=Hardshells&prod=1161)
I work part time in an outdoor shop here in SB to fund my college drinking habit, and I do declare that this jacket here is the cat's ass....
Arcteryx is expensive, but it's one of those lifetime purchases, like a Kifaru or a Wilson .45, that'll last a life time and perform like no other...
And it comes in a nice OD shade which they call Pine.
Don't know much about the performance of these, but they come in decent, muted colors and won't empty your savings account:
http://www.sierratradingpost.com/xq/asp/base_no.42046/catImage.False/dept_id.L2~208/qx/product.htm
http://www.rei.com/online/store/ProductDisplay?productId=47817131&storeId=8001&catalogId=40000008001&langId=-1
The Reaper
06-03-2004, 21:09
Originally posted by Razor
Don't know much about the performance of these, but they come in decent, muted colors and won't empty your savings account:
http://www.sierratradingpost.com/xq/asp/base_no.42046/catImage.False/dept_id.L2~208/qx/product.htm
Wouldn't count on you, me, or him fitting into the only size (Small) that remains available at STP.
TR
Adam White
06-03-2004, 21:23
FWIW, the conventional Army also has the Gen II Gore-Tex in the inventory, though both are still issued. Some non-divisional posts no doubt still have neither or only the 1st generation available at their CIF.
I managed to leave Korea with the new pants, but was unable to swap out my old coat (I have little love for that damn bucket they call a hood).
Aafes Military Clothing Sales stores still only sell the 1st generation stuff - I don't know about NEX.
2d Generation parkas are available commercially at U.S Cavalry - though you will pay out of your ass for it (though comparable to or even cheaper than high end civilian models of similar construction). I am pretty sure they have black, but not sure about OD green.
I've had my ECWCS Gen2 parka for a while now, and have worn it with a decent columbia fleece in very, very cold conditions doing 'active' work. It's still in great condition and kept me warm and dry. Loud as hell to move in, but that goes away as the parka gets broken in.
Solid
NDD,
Check out the "Red Ledge" series of rainshells sold by Campmor (www.campmor.com I think). They have a $50 non Gore-Tex, non-laminate, waterproof, breathable jacket, w/ hood, in OD (or sage, or loden, or whatever). A few years ago it was Backpacker Magazine editors' choice. It's very light; that, combined w/ a thin base layer will be excellent for moderate to heavy activity in 40 degree weather. A heavier insulating layer (SPEAR fleece, Patagonia R-3/R-4 fleece, etc) can be worn when you slow down (to eat, prepare camp/hide site, hunting blind, etc).
Patagonia makes excellent gear, and lots of it, enough that the choices can get confusing. The PCU mentioned above was $5 cheaper than the comparable Patagonia item would have been with the pro deal. Arcteryx also makes fantastic stuff, although very pricey (even with a ski patroller's pro deal).
Razor,
How's that for my first post? And something I'm actually qualified to talk about, too!
NousDefionsDoc
06-04-2004, 06:53
Originally posted by Razor
Naw, you're far too literate (just kidding, Marines). ;)
NDD, got a question for you. Does the shell need to be breathable? I ask, as I feel that Gore-Tex and similar membranes don't work very well unless there's a significant difference between the ambient temp/relative humidity and the temp/RH inside the jacket. In your locale with its rather mild temps and high RH, would a warm fleece jacket or soft shell, with a lightweight, waterproof, non-breathable shell to put on when it starts to really rain be a better solution? Never spent any time down south, so this is more a question than suggestion.
I don't know. That SAS parka was just right. If they made it in another color and didn't charge an extra $50 for having "SAS" in front of the name, I would get another one. Its about like Houston in the winter here.
AM, thanks for the offer, but I'm looking for a little more military and a little higher end.
Skibum, glad to see figured out the secret to the keyboard. ;)
Adam White
06-04-2004, 17:21
Gen II Military Gore-Tex Jackets at US Cavalry.
They have black, woodland, and desert. Depending on your size, they may be out of stock at the moment.
290 bucks! I'm sure you have spent that much on Oakleys, though :cool: .
The Reaper
06-04-2004, 17:22
Or $100 or so at the surplus store or on Ebay.
TR
NousDefionsDoc
06-04-2004, 19:46
Originally posted by Adam White
290 bucks! I'm sure you have spent that much on Oakleys, though :cool: .
Don't go there! i'm going to the new oakley store here manana.
Thanks for the link.
Originally posted by The Reaper
Wouldn't count on you, me, or him fitting into the only size (Small) that remains available at STP.
TR If you can't find your size, you can call Sierra and see if they are expecting more in. I've done this before, since I'm usually looking for SM when the web-site shows only LG XLG.
I got my Mountain Hardware Gore-Tex XCR FTX parka through them at half price.
went to the STP storefront in Cheyenne..... not too shabby, but what a BORING town! :D
Psywar1-0
06-05-2004, 10:42
NDD,
Stay away from camo as its against the law, yes most folks in the business can get away with it, but all you have to have is one dick head gringo hater and they can confiscate it for their own use.
Polar Bear
06-05-2004, 20:03
NDD, Are you looking for a jacket or an anoraks?
NousDefionsDoc
06-05-2004, 20:07
I don't care, just something to keep me from getting cold and wet.
Polar Bear
06-06-2004, 09:28
Try LL Bean
NousDefionsDoc
06-06-2004, 09:53
Definitely has possibilities. Thanks.
Only $65 from bean? What's the catch?
NousDefionsDoc
06-06-2004, 10:27
I'm thinking this and the SPEAR fleece jacket. make sense?
ghuinness
06-06-2004, 10:29
Just a suggestion: saddlers.
Here is one example: (http://www.beval.com/beval.storefront/40c9cc610008d7b2273f406a91320678/Product/View/3000102&2DSG34). Not cheap, but this stuff is made to last and be used in all weather.
Dover Saddlery has a bunch of unisex jackets as well. You need
to navigate the page: www.doversaddlery.com (search on jackets)
My .02
NousDefionsDoc
06-06-2004, 10:33
No, I don't think so. But the pics of the girl in the boots and riding pants with the little hat is kind of hot. Thanks.
Polar Bear
06-06-2004, 10:45
Originally posted by NousDefionsDoc
Definitely has possibilities. Thanks.
Only $65 from bean? What's the catch?
It's waterproof and that is it, no liner. I personally like jackets w/ zip out liners or none at all. With a stitch in liner they are either hotter than hell when it gets above 40 or not worth a shit if it gets below freezing.
Just my .02
NousDefionsDoc
06-06-2004, 12:16
I'm going to try the LL Bean thing with the SPEAR fleece. I like the idea of a quick pullover with no liner for the rain as well. That SPEAR thing should more than handle the cold.
I'll wait for the Goretex for later. I like it as well.
Thanks Polar.
Polar Bear
06-06-2004, 12:33
Your Welcome, It also comes in tall sizes which is a plus
NousDefionsDoc
06-06-2004, 12:40
Thanks everybody for your ideas. The feedback is greatly appreciated. Boss, if you get out around Colorado in your travels and a 10th Group guy happens to leave his Goretex out...:D
I know this is lame, but I live in NE Ohio, and this thread was a great help for me since I haven't bought a warm winter jacket in 10 years. 6 months from now I don't want to walk into a store unprepared. Good stuff.
You just never know what you're going to learn here.
NDD...Here is hoping you keep warm.
(Hijack over.)
NousDefionsDoc
06-06-2004, 18:02
Originally posted by Sigi
I know this is lame, but I live in NE Ohio, and this thread was a great help for me since I haven't bought a warm winter jacket in 10 years. 6 months from now I don't want to walk into a store unprepared. Good stuff.
You just never know what you're going to learn here.
NDD...Here is hoping you keep warm.
(Hijack over.)
Why is it lame? There are guys here like the 10th Group guys that are experts on this stuff, not to mention the research done by the gearmasters and the experiences of the Reaper. I am not a cold weather expert and apparently neither are you. Lame is not going to the SMEs to get an answer to a question.
Hoping I keep warm is more lame than learning about jackets from a thread. LOL :D
Lame is living in NE Ohio and never bothering to find a "jacket" that kept me warm. I bought a 'cool' leather jacket 2 years ago that made me look cool, but I froze my ass off.
Lame is living here all my life and never bothering to find warm clothing.
Smart is disregarding the "nerd" factor that warm weather jackets use to have and actually making a purchase.
I am done being "cool" and am finally OK with being warm. Maybe that is because I have a hot women now and do not need to freeze my but off going to taverns.
That is not lame. But point is taken NDD.
(I still feel the need to be cool, though.)
:cool:
Originally posted by NousDefionsDoc
Hoping I keep warm is more lame than learning about jackets from a thread. LOL :D
Well, don't I feel like a jackass. I know your SOTB, so keeping warm should not be an issue.
But didn't you ask about warm weather gear? Hmm, maybe it gets cold when you leave town. Hey, what do I know. LOL.
NousDefionsDoc
06-06-2004, 19:05
I have a hot women now
Is this plural or not?:munchin
If rain, no fleece. Go with a soft shell.
http://www.mammut.ch/mammut/images/products/New_Age_Jacket_240.jpg
Having coming to appreciate the ability of those who frequent this board, I'm prepared to give a brotha the benefit of the doubt.
Good job, Sigi. :D
Polar Bear
06-06-2004, 19:40
Sigi,
Columbia Double Whammy Parka, 3 Season Jacket
Originally posted by NousDefionsDoc
Is this plural or not?:munchin
Freu....Frued......oops, I meant something else. LOL.
NDD, if you don't have some already, I'd also recommend the SPEAR Layer 1 silkweights (or comparable civilian styles, such as those sold by Cabela's). They weight next to nothing, but do a great job of warding off the chill in cool weather. They're also very easy to use when layering clothing, and wick sweat really well.
If you come to Afghanistan, they opened up a North Face shop, and you can get a waterproof, jacket, with hood, and zip in fleece liner for 65 bucks. I got one last year and it kicks ass. Plus I look really good in it too:D
I have been working with the local SF boys to find lighter gear for thier third deployment to Afginistan. They resently purchesed our entire stock of Marmot Precip jackets (or all those in L, XL and XXL). These jackets offer slightly better breathability than Gore classic, mil-spec waterproofness, pack about softball size and come in at 13 oz. Cost is less than a hundred bucks US, and will last about three years of daily without any washing. If you do wreck one you can usually get a free replacement or upgrade.
On layering the current state of the art is a softshell (ie a windproof, water reistent and highly beathable strech garment) instead of fleace. It's much more versitile and durable than fleece, so you can wear your stiff, noisy and sweatty rain coat less often. Power Shield and Schoeller are the gold standered in softshell fabrics.
Hope this helps. Please ignore the spelling.
That's two votes for a soft shell.
NousDefionsDoc
06-09-2004, 14:08
Originally posted by logos
I have been working with the local SF boys to find lighter gear for thier third deployment to Afginistan. They resently purchesed our entire stock of Marmot Precip jackets (or all those in L, XL and XXL). These jackets offer slightly better breathability than Gore classic, mil-spec waterproofness, pack about softball size and come in at 13 oz. Cost is less than a hundred bucks US, and will last about three years of daily without any washing. If you do wreck one you can usually get a free replacement or upgrade.
On layering the current state of the art is a softshell (ie a windproof, water reistent and highly beathable strech garment) instead of fleace. It's much more versitile and durable than fleece, so you can wear your stiff, noisy and sweatty rain coat less often. Power Shield and Schoeller are the gold standered in softshell fabrics.
Hope this helps. Please ignore the spelling.
No link, no pics, who are you! LOL
www.marmot.com click on products>clothing>precip
I work in a gear shop in a NATO nation, however as my goverment seecurity clearence proceadure is ongoing and the gentelmen I sell to are extreamly reluctent to identifiy themselves or their unit I'll leave out the details.
I come to these forums to fill out my reaserch into aysemetrical conflict. (just like the name implies) My accademic goal is to create political and defence theory and policy that refect the capabilities of all unconventional actors. Any information I can gain about how SF (and much less studied, former SF defence contactors) can/do/have shape(d) the conflict spectrum will help me toword goal.
As far as the jacket post goes, it's a product I like and one that some very serious operators have purchased. Take it or leave it.
Thanks for your interest.
I can certify that Marmot gloves, for one, are amazing in both construction and durability for Alpine work. I've had mine for almost three years now, and they are only just showing fray in the thumb stitch. If this applies to their jackets or not, I do not know.
HTH,
Solid
Team Sergeant
06-11-2004, 08:39
My pick for NDD’s waterproof jacket. (It comes with Clint Eastwood’s entire spaghetti Western Movie collection.)
http://www.sheplers.com/item.cfm?TID=022225&DI=080409&Start=1&Sort=ItemRank&page=category&groupCode=0&VendorID=
Sacamuelas
06-11-2004, 08:59
I was thinking that since NDD has been so "British" lately by treating former SAS chaps and wearing SAS raingear... he ought to go ahead and be true to his colors and get a Barbour Beaufort rain jacket. You can get different weight zip-in liners (fleece,etc) and its completely waterproof. The Border style Jacket verses the Beaufort is slightly longer for better coverage of the waist/thighs.
I have one BTW and can attest to quailty and craftsmanship.. would be very nice to have now that your an "Executive Gunfighter", NDD!!:D LOL
http://www.dunns.com/pod/1079
Barbour clothing has been keeping the British dry and warm for years. It is an institution in the Empire that carries the seals of Her Majesty the Queen, HRH the Duke of Edinburgh, and HRH the Prince of Wales. These traditional coats are the standard by which all other foul-weather gear is measured
Barbour's Slykoil jackets are based on the original Barbour proofing formula which John Barbour called Sylkoil. Soft, flexible, and non-sticky, the oil-proofed natural cotton drapes superbly, bringing an extra workability to the tailoring and cut, and more comfort and style to the wearer. This all-purpose jacket is 33" long in size 42 for all-season wear. It features two front bellows pockets with snap storm flaps and two moleskin-lined handwarmer pockets. There is also a concealed zip-up wallet pocket and a full-width rear game and cartridge pocket with side zips. It is lined full length with cotton tartan. The corduroy collar is studded for an optional hood. Snap-closed throat flap and storm-fly front provide additional protection. Raglan sleeves with underarm ventilation, adjustable storm cuffs, and brass-finish two-way metal zipper. Specially treated 100% cotton shell. Color: olive. Cold sponge, no soap. England.
ghuinness
06-11-2004, 09:30
Amazing - two votes for Barbour Beaufort. :p
Sacamuelas
06-11-2004, 09:52
I didn't see your original post... did you try to make him a yuppy too? haha
He's still trying to hang on Ghuinness... he just won't admit he is an pretty boy security executive type now. ;) He probably wears one all the time when he is not around anyone that knew him back in the day. LOL
NousDefionsDoc
06-11-2004, 14:18
Originally posted by Team Sergeant
My pick for NDD’s waterproof jacket. (It comes with Clint Eastwood’s entire spaghetti Western Movie collection.)
http://www.sheplers.com/item.cfm?TID=022225&DI=080409&Start=1&Sort=ItemRank&page=category&groupCode=0&VendorID=
I actually already have one of those. LOL
I used to have a jacket (more like a parka) made by Remington. I wore it for hunting and it was camouflage. It was made of gortex and the inside was some sort of synthetic insulation. I bought it in 1980 and finally gave it to my son since it shrank somewhat (heh, heh). It was klcht, waterproof, breathable, and warm although a little bulky like a down ski-jucket. I had a pair of trousers made of gortex which I wore over my other trousers. I have fallen asleep, lying in the snow
It may not be the best now, but in those days gortex was the cat's meow -- it allowed water vapor and moisture to pass in only one direction.
NousDefionsDoc
06-27-2004, 19:07
I got that LL Bean one. The green is almost a perfect match for OG 107 pants. Its a nice jacket, but its not going to keep you warm - you have to wear something underneath it if its very cold. Just right for those sudden rainstorms, rolls up very small and no logo. Some guys thought it was issue and pissed because they didn't get one. LOL. nice big pockets too. I haven't had a chance to test the water-proofing yet. of course as soon as I received it it quit raining and has been 90 degrees. All in all an excellent purchase for the price.
Polar Bear done good.
The SPEAR fleece was a no go. None available and I understand the current manufacturer has QC issues. So I got one from Triple Aught Design coming. With those two, I should be good to go.
Thanks for the help.
NousDefionsDoc
07-28-2004, 20:46
I ended up with the LL Bean, an Arktis from LF.com and the TAD Gear. The Arktis and the TAD Gear are really GTG. I highly recommend them.
NousDefionsDoc
07-28-2004, 20:54
Arktis Spec Ops Rainshield Jacket (http://www.lightfighter.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=186)
Tad Gear Stealth Softshell Jacket (http://www.tadgear.com/x-treme%20gear/apparel%20main/stealth_jacket.htm)
NousDefionsDoc
07-29-2004, 09:00
Originally posted by Jimbo
I like that second one.
Yeah, its very nice. The first one is much nicer in person than on the net.
The Reaper
07-29-2004, 09:48
Originally posted by NousDefionsDoc
Yeah, its very nice. The first one is much nicer in person than on the net.
Saw it in the local LF.com store. Very nice, extremely compact.
TR
Polar Bear
07-29-2004, 18:38
NDD,
What size did you get (Tad)?
NousDefionsDoc
07-29-2004, 20:00
XL - they're coming out with a new one. Should be on their site in a day or two. Hoody something
Rotor Strike
07-29-2004, 21:26
New one is called the Ranger Hoody. Looks like a solid piece of gear. Good color too.
Sneaky,
You think it would be better than the Stealth? Not sure I need a hood.
NousDefionsDoc
07-29-2004, 21:30
I don't know Ryan, I really like the stealth. I don't use a hood much either, but every now and then... plus, its better than getting a tie for father's day.
You guys have turned me into a gear queer. LOL
Rotor Strike
07-29-2004, 21:34
Dude,
I'm seriously looking into the www.beyondfleece.com gear. They make gear custom tailored to your size and exact pocket/layout needs. WAY COOL!!! Only will run me about $50 more than the Ranger Hoody for what I want in a desert Khaki color. Being a gear queer is hard on the wallet.
Polar Bear
07-30-2004, 12:49
Originally posted by NousDefionsDoc
XL - they're coming out with a new one. Should be on their site in a day or two. Hoody something
What is the sleeve length? I need about 38- 40 inch sleeve
CommoGeek
08-07-2004, 17:27
Just got an Arktis rain jacket in black in the mail; Spear fleece is on the way. The Arktis seems a bit big ( I wear a large), but would be just right if I had on fleece or other long sleeve clothing. Not too many pockets or too few. Looks to be a good piece of kit.
Good thread. Thank you.
Bill Harsey
08-07-2004, 17:48
Originally posted by NousDefionsDoc
XL - they're coming out with a new one. Should be on their site in a day or two. Hoody something I haven't worn that size since the third grade.
Kahuku Saint
08-07-2004, 23:02
I know this is a little late, but I would've recommeded any of the Nike ACG jackets; I have an All Mountain jacket that's served me well during kayaking trips. I've stayed bone dry through many a Class III run.
Problems I've encountered: 1.) It's Nike. It doesn't come in subdued colors. Everything...well, "pops." You'd make a swell target for somebody. :D 2.) The hood folds into the collar and therefore it seems a little flimsy. Mine hasn't ripped (yet), but I'm always expecting it to; the fact that it doesn't match the color of the jacket has always bothered me as well.
Anyway, they're good for "adventure" sports, but (maybe) not so swell for military use.
*hijack notice*
I hope this is isn't considered bad form or a tremendous faux pas, but I also need a new jacket. I found out recently that I'll be PCSing (as a dependent for now) to Germany. Apparently it snows there. I've never seen snow in my life. :eek:
Assumable Conditions- 0 to 32 degrees w/ occasional snowfall. Fairly rough use I guess (mainly rucking and running; trail, street). Don't know if a hood's important or not as I currently have a watch cap. Color isn't terribly important, but I don't want to look like I belong on , just crawled off a ski slope. White would be keen.
I've been looking at some Patagonia, North Face, Columbia Sportswear, etc. stuff but being an FNG it's kind of overwhelming. A bomber looks to be too bulky and a shell with a thermal/synthetic/whatever fleece doesn't appear to be enough. While I could get something that'll keep me warm without problem, I also want something that's functional- i.e., movement is not impaired. I'd like to keep up my training schedule while over there before coming back and going through BCT. So any help, assistance would be greatly appreciated.
Out of curiousity, what do the guys in the 10th SFG wear? They appear to be squared away (and warm!) in the vids over at goarmy.com. (Assuming of course that they are in the 10th.)
Thanks again (in advance) for any assistance. My apologies NDD for hijacking your thread.
-KS
Polar Bear
08-08-2004, 09:32
Double Whammy Parka by Columbia
NousDefionsDoc
08-08-2004, 09:52
Out of curiousity, what do the guys in the 10th SFG wear? They appear to be squared away
WTH?:munchin
Kahuku Saint
08-08-2004, 10:09
Oh hell.
I knew I said something wrong. :(
-KS
Don't worry, KSaint. You obviously have a very sharp eye and are more perceptive than the average gringo expat. Those other guys are simply jealous. ;)
The Reaper
08-08-2004, 12:48
Originally posted by Kahuku Saint
Out of curiousity, what do the guys in the 10th SFG wear? They appear to be squared away (and warm!) in the vids over at goarmy.com. (Assuming of course that they are in the 10th.)
-KS
Mmm....
The Gay Fashion Sense is strong with this Young Jedi....
TR
Anyone have experience with this company? There stuff seems to be a level above everyone else's, but so is the price. I just can't get over the oil finish.
The Reaper
08-14-2004, 15:18
Expensive, yuppie, Gucci outdoor gear, IMHO.
TR
Polar Bear
08-14-2004, 16:45
You got that right
Sponge there are alot better jackets out there for less than $300
Thanks for the quick replies...my friend swears by their stuff. Maybe if I can find something cheap on Ebay I'll give them a shot, but like you said, 300 is quite a bit of money for something I'm gonna beat the crap out of.
NousDefionsDoc
03-01-2006, 20:33
I bought two OR fleece jackets from DBT on sale for $60 each. Nice and toasty. Very nice.
I gave one to Osama Bin Mama for not killing me in my sleep last year.
Whatever
03-02-2006, 01:24
NDD: Serious necro post. :)
Beyond Fleece just started making tactical clothing. Their web site is listed below for those with deep pockets who already have their deployment Harley, deployment 1911...
http://www.beyondtactical.com/
I have one of their civilian fleece jackets and the quality is top notch.
Mike
The Reaper
03-02-2006, 09:21
NDD: Serious necro post. :)
Beyond Fleece just started making tactical clothing. Their web site is listed below for those with deep pockets who already have their deployment Harley, deployment 1911...
http://www.beyondtactical.com/
I have one of their civilian fleece jackets and the quality is top notch.
Mike
Thanks for the tip.
I just checked out their site, WOW!!
By the time you add up the options, they will cost more than the garment itself does.
Checking to see what their discount is, if any.
TR
Bill Harsey
03-02-2006, 16:07
Thanks for the tip.
I just checked out their site, WOW!!
By the time you add up the options, they will cost more than the garment itself does.
Checking to see what their discount is, if any.
TR
And after hearing about Beyond from TR, I was just up in the manufacturing facility located 15 miles north of here in Eugene, Oregon and met with the founder and owner.
Double WOW!! after seeing the quality of manufacturing in some finished jackets. This is serious gear.
Great guy too.
The Reaper
03-02-2006, 16:26
Gents:
Mr. H and I will keep you posted on what we find out, but the quality of the gear, the flexibility to get the features you want, and the ability to order it to fit are unique today.
He passed the phone to the owner, who took time to stop what he was doing and chat with me.
They have a Pro program for military personnel, and I look forward to getting some of their gear to try soon.
Excellent tip, Whatever. I was just looking for another jacket this week and bemoaning the dearth of tactical windstopper fleece jackets with the dimensions and features I wanted.
Great gouge. PS.com strikes again!
TR