View Full Version : Boy, 8, Killed in Gun Show Accident
Warrior-Mentor
10-27-2008, 19:32
http://news.aol.com/article/boy-8-killed-in-gun-show-accident/226339
The Reaper
10-27-2008, 19:38
I saw that earlier.
Bad stupidity, and in Mass, of all places.
BTW, it was not at a gun show, it was on a range.
TR
More ammo for the anti-gun lobby:mad:
ugh, the press even gets to me sometimes, these quotes sum up the authors opinions very nicely i guess.
"It's all legal & fun — No permits or licenses required!!!!" reads the ad, posted on the club's Web site.
"You will be accompanied to the firing line with a Certified Instructor to guide you. But You Are In Control — "FULL AUTO ROCK & ROLL," the ad said.
The ad also said children under 16 would be admitted free, and both adults and children were offered free .22-caliber pistol and rifle shooting.
FFS...i wish i could use marketing terms in my writing to illustrate the my points and seemingly gloss over the loss of life.
More ammo for the anti-gun lobby:mad:
Oh the irony of that statement.
greenberetTFS
10-28-2008, 12:17
More ammo for the anti-gun lobby:mad:
Paslode,
How sad and how true,the main stream media will beat it to death..... :(
GB TFS :munchin
AGaillard
10-28-2008, 15:32
The MSM will continue to stir the pot while anti-gunners fan the flames which will cause politicians jump on board. While the little boy will be forgotten as soon as their purposes are served.
Dozer523
10-28-2008, 16:06
MSM and gun lobby "whatever". This isn't A RIGHT for 6 year old TO BEAR high-powered, full automatic, and hard to control weapons -- especially when you are about 50 pounds ARMS issue. This is a SMART PARENTING issue. I for one plan to protect my 6 and 12 year old by having them wait a while to fire automatic weapons. Like say . . . AIT? Or at least until they have passed the NRA gun safety course. And I'll probably supervise them. Someone else can take the picture. Guys! I'm a second Amendment guy too but this is not a Second Amendment issue!
ZonieDiver
10-28-2008, 16:27
MSM and gun lobby "whatever". This isn't A RIGHT for 6 year old TO BEAR high-powered, full automatic, and hard to control weapons -- especially when you are about 50 pounds ARMS issue. This is a SMART PARENTING issue. I for one plan to protect my 6 and 12 year old by having them wait a while to fire automatic weapons. Like say . . . AIT? Or at least until they have passed the NRA gun safety course. And I'll probably supervise them. Someone else can take the picture. Guys! I'm a second Amendment guy too but this is not a Second Amendment issue!
Agreed, it is not - in itself - a 2nd Amendment issue. However, the MSM and liberals and anti-gun people will use it to try to undermine the 2nd Amendment. I don't think they will propose a Constitutional amendment banning stupid parents (but it might be a good idea).
Dozer523
10-28-2008, 16:32
I don't think they will propose a Constitutional amendment banning stupid parents (but it might be a good idea).
I hope not or my kids will try to envoke it!
It is a damn shame the kid was killed. Personally speaking I find it kind of bone headed for the company putting this on to allow a 8 year old to shoot on full auto considering the tendency to climb. Maybe if he had been shooting something larger than an oversized pistol it would not have happened.
But in the end most of the responsibility falls on the parents. This is a good example why my old man started me out with a single shot .22 and I didn't graduate to a semi-auto for many years. But then again not ever kid is lucky to have a parent that did range duty or common sense.
Red Flag 1
10-28-2008, 17:07
It is a damn shame the kid was killed. Personally speaking I find it kind of bone headed for the company putting this on to allow a 8 year old to shoot on full auto considering the tendency to climb. Maybe if he had been shooting something larger than an oversized pistol it would not have happened.
But in the end most of the responsibility falls on the parents. This is a good example why my old man started me out with a single shot .22 and I didn't graduate to a semi-auto for many years. But then again not ever kid is lucky to have a parent that did range duty or common sense.
Agreed!
I was lucky and had a bolt action .22 with 7 shot mag, Mosberg. Still have it. Taught my son with this, and my grandson is next, God willing.
RF
Leozinho
10-28-2008, 18:01
Personally speaking I find it kind of bone headed for the company putting this on to allow a 8 year old to shoot on full auto considering the tendency to climb.
But in the end most of the responsibility falls on the parents.
But then again not ever kid is lucky to have a parent that did range duty or common sense.
I can't imagine letting an 8-year old fire anything on full auto, but the average parent has a whole lot less experience with automatic guns than members of this board or I do. We can say its a parenting issue, but just how intuitive is it that a short barrel subgun will rise like that?
Still shaking my head that these gun "experts" let the child shoot.
At the same time, you do have to wonder about a parent that lets the child shoot a gun like that. It's not a BB gun at the county fair.
(I also wonder about these folks that get such a charge from shooting automatic guns, ie blasting away at a berm at Knob Creek. Seems like one degree away from Airsoft to me.)
The worst thing was is that this was so preventable. It is nothing but absolutly tragic what happened to that child. The blame lies mainly witht he person that rented out the machine gun at the shoot. The gun in question was a MICRO-uzi. Anyone with any kind of experience firing compact full auto guns like that knows they are a handful for even the most experienced shooter. A person with no experience shouldnt even be let near one, let alone a child. He should have never had that thing in his hands. Whoever rented that thing to him to shoot is insane.
Team Sergeant
10-28-2008, 18:56
I can't imagine letting an 8-year old fire anything on full auto,
Ditto, I would say its hard to believe anyone would allow an eight year old to fire a full auto weapon. I really cannot think of anything more stupid.
TS
Blitzzz (RIP)
10-30-2008, 17:09
This was Bad parenting, stupidity, and Blatently unsafe.
Shame to the father, but will pay a long time.
I taught my 9 yo nephew with a 22 rifle One round at a time. He became very good with it. This year he ask me if I had an M-9 (I have a 92) so I said yes. He ask to shoot it. We went to the range and dry fired for stance and shooting mechanics. Then one round in a mag for about 6 rounds then 2 per mag and start reloading mag with 1 to 3 rounds. Drills. When he was safe with those procedures I let him have a full 15 rounds. he did great. I feel much safer shooting the one rounders for a bit and add mag changes . Blitz
That was shockingly irresponsible. A kid is dead because of his parent's stupidity. I learned on a .22 bolt action rifle at about that age. The biggest risk was that I would get a splinter on the battered old stock. I could see letting a boy that age HOLD an unloaded uzi but there should be a long slow progression in learning about firearms. Same goes for motorcycles and alcohol.
LongWire
10-30-2008, 21:10
What a waste!!!!
AngelsSix
11-02-2008, 20:49
I would wonder if there was some level of alcohol involved. Any sane parent would not let their child fire a fully automatic weapon. As a weapons instructor, I would be remiss in letting any inexperienced individual fire an automatic weapon.
Where were the RSO's??
Any sane parent would not let their child fire a fully automatic weapon.
With the proper supervision, control (primarily--me) and safety measures in place, I wouldn't have any issues with my sons firing specific types of automatic weapons. Then again, my sanity has been called into question from time to time.
The Reaper
11-03-2008, 08:58
With the proper supervision, control (primarily--me) and safety measures in place, I wouldn't have any issues with my sons firing specific types of automatic weapons. Then again, my sanity has been called into question from time to time.
I agree.
I would have no problems with my kids firing pretty much any crew served automatic weapon from the proper mount, under my direct supervision.
Shoulder fired and hand held, I would have to consider their ability to hold steady and control the weapon. That is where this tragedy occurred. A Micro-Uzi, like a MAC 10, a Skorpion, or a Beretta M93R, is hard to control, and very prone to muzzle climb. I would want them to be well over 100 pounds and familiar with controlling muzzle rise before allowing them to shoot it, and would then probably download the mags to a couple of rounds till proficiency was demonstrated. A Ma Deuce or M-240 from the tripod, no problem.
There is nothing inherently evil in the weapon, or dangerous in firing it. I see a lot of people who would read something into this incident which is not there. When I was six, my Dad sent me out to mow our lawn. By the time I was ten, I was using a tractor with a bush hog. My brother started driving tractors at six, and he had to knock it out of gear and stand on both brake pedals to stop it. I would avoid broad generalizations. Some people are physically and mentally capable of operating dangerous equipment at 12, and there are some who are unsafe at 35. There are no doubt, a lot of critics who smoke, drive without a seat belt, and drink too much. That does not mean that the mechanical devices are causing the accidents or misuse.
TR
There is nothing inherently evil in the weapon, or dangerous in firing it. I see a lot of people who would read something into this incident which is not there.
Exactly right. Leaving aside the callousness of using a young boy's death to make a political statement, one wishes that the media would spend as much time covering the tragedies prevented by proper firearm use as they do bloviating over the (relatively few) tragedies caused by gun misuse.
Dan
Dozer523
11-03-2008, 13:41
I agree.
1) I would have no problems with my kids firing pretty much any crew served automatic weapon from the proper mount, under my direct supervision. . . . A Ma Deuce or M-240 from the tripod, no problem.
2) Some people are physically and mentally capable of operating dangerous equipment at 12, and there are some who are unsafe at 35. There are no doubt, a lot of critics who smoke, drive without a seat belt, and drink too much. That does not mean that the mechanical devices are causing the accidents or misuse. TR
1) I would LOVE to see my little guy Jack 6 years old and 40.2 lbs (soaking wet) behind a tripod!
2) My Momma said" The secret to a happy life is the pick an age you like (and are good at) and stick with it."
She went on to point out that I'd picked 32 while my brother chose 12!
I learned how to shoot off a 30-06 bolt action rifle when I was around 9.
Before that I learned how to sight in a scope off a BB gun.
My Grandfather taught me how to shoot on his farm.
My first gun he purchased me was a Lever action 30 30.
Then he got me a .22 which we would just plink due to the ammo being cheap compared to the $12.00 I pay now for 30-06 rounds.
He taught me simular to how Blitz explained, one round at a time until I was comfortable.