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Just curious to see if there are any members here, who are CONUS, that will be voting early, or are you going to wait until November 4th?
Do you think this "voting early" will help or hurt certain candidates?
Could this turn into one huge Charlie Foxtrot for the voting process. Which could possibly be the case in Ohio, ACORN aside. College kids from out of the state, are renting homes in Ohio, registering, then voting early, then they will be voting AGAIN in their original state of voter registration.
Thought? :munchin
I voted yesterday, the first day the polls were open here in Texas. :)
Richard :munchin
ZonieDiver
10-21-2008, 10:14
My mail-in ballot gets sent in today on the way to work. I took longer to complete it due to the number of initiative measures on it here in AZ. Most are purposely worded in a confusing manner - and the advertising is worse. I wait for the little booklet put out by the state and see who is for, and who is against each one.
Team Sergeant
10-21-2008, 10:17
Just curious to see if there are any members here, who are CONUS, that will be voting early, or are you going to wait until November 4th?
I signed up to vote with ACORN and they told me I could do both.;)
TS
I voted yesterday. The early voting location was busy (and full), but the process went smoothly and I was in and out in very little time.
The few people I observed finished quickly. I suspect there is a lot of one-party voting going on.
There will probably be voter fraud, but the lack of authentication in the present system almost guarantees that. It probably isn't any worse than we would see if the polls were jammed and the workers overwhelmed with tired, frustrated people.
Voted yesterday. Same thing was happening as nmap stated. Alot of folks voted quickly and moved out.
Ret10Echo
10-21-2008, 11:31
I signed up to vote with ACORN and they told me I could do both.;)
TS
Vote early and vote often.....
No early voting for me. I will be in line with a sharpened #2 pencil.......oh, wait a minute we have touch-screens with no paper trail.......:confused:
We have early voting here and I went by the McArthur Rd location to vote today. Went about 1:00PM. Thought I would just walk in and out. I was there 38 minutes, about 36 in line.
This election will be based on turnout. Don't be caught short on election day, wait to the last minute, see a long line, Oh, what the heck and just go home.
Do it and do it now!
greenberetTFS
10-21-2008, 13:08
I'm going to vote on election day since I don't have a legitimate reason to vote otherwise....It really amazes me how much early voting is being done these days....
GB TFS :munchin
Phantasos
10-21-2008, 13:27
I voted yesterday, for the first time in my life actually(turned 18 this year),I was grateful to take part of American Democracy that so many people have paid the ultimate price for. Hopefully, this election people will make a logical decision on who to vote for- unlike a lot of people in my age bracket, I'm not for neo-socialism. ;)
We voted absentee last week. We are on the road to VA-DC for the next month. Going to see our new G-kid.
I also want to see if ACRON will regrister us in VA and DC :eek:
every vote counts... :D:lifter:cool:
Red Flag 1
10-21-2008, 15:09
Just curious to see if there are any members here, who are CONUS, that will be voting early, or are you going to wait until November 4th?
Do you think this "voting early" will help or hurt certain candidates?
Could this turn into one huge Charlie Foxtrot for the voting process. Which could possibly be the case in Ohio, ACORN aside. College kids from out of the state, are renting homes in Ohio, registering, then voting early, then they will be voting AGAIN in their original state of voter registration.
Thought? :munchin
4 NOV, early.
Already Charlie Foxtrot with registration issues. Unlikely to improve.
IMHO
RF 1
This election will be based on turnout. Don't be caught short on election day, wait to the last minute, see a long line, Oh, what the heck and just go home.
Do it and do it now!
I called the county election board to verify my polling place since it has changed. He said if I am able I should consider early voting because they are truly expecting record numbers of voters. I'm going Saturday.
Lee Majors
10-21-2008, 19:02
I voted yesterday here in Colorado.
I will do the early voting this Friday here in Jax, FL. The lines have been long for early voting, and I cannot imagine how long they will be on Nov 4, so I will be voting early. Republican down the ballot :D
GreenSalsa
10-22-2008, 11:13
I am going to vote by absentee ballot (Living in California, voting in North Carolina).
I think the only effect that early voting has is to clear the lines of people who have already made up their minds.
Surf n Turf
10-22-2008, 11:16
See – If you voted early, you would have missed this “clarification” from Obambi.
He really meant to say – You now have to work to receive his WELFARE program.
Remember this is from ABC – who is in the tank for BHO.
This will surely change opinions that Obambi is a socialist, who is driven to redistribution of wealth, punishing achievement, and rewarding sloth. :rolleyes:
SnT
Obama Tweaks Tax Plan to Rebut McCain
ABC News October 21, 2008 9:21 PM
Facing criticism from John McCain that his tax plan constitutes "welfare," Barack Obama recently added a work requirement to one of his proposals.
"They started saying this was welfare," said Obama adviser Austan Goolsbee. "So, just so they would absolutely not be able to say that, we decided that for the last two percent we'll simply add a work requirement."
Goolsbee discussed the change to Obama's universal mortgage credit while debating McCain adviser Douglas Holtz-Eakin at the Council on Foreign Relations on Tuesday.
Goolsbee referred to the number of non-working Americans who would benefit from the original understanding of Obama's plan as an insignificant "sliver" when compared to the much larger number of working Americans who would benefit from Obama's plan.
Although the number of non-working beneficiaries would have been just a "sliver" under the original understanding of Obama's plan, Goolsbee said the Democratic nominee's economic team decided to add a work requirement to it in order to block McCain from being able to characterize any aspect of his plan as "welfare."
"When did this change? I'm just curious," an incredulous Holtz-Eakin asked Goolsbee.
"About two weeks ago," replied Goolsbee, adding that when the proposal was announced in September 2007, 98 percent of its benefits went to workers.
The work requirement on Obama's universal mortgage credit was never announced publicly, prompting Holtz-Eakin to suggest that it was just made up for purposes of the CFR debate."I think they just made it up," Holtz-Eakin told ABC News. "They will say anything in the moment. This is like trying to pin Jello to the wall."
During a Tuesday conference call with reporters, Holtz-Eakin mocked Goolsbee's claim that Obama could have changed his plan two weeks ago in response to McCain attacks that did not start until after Obama met with Joe "The Plumber" Wurzelbacher nine days ago.
"What we saw today was just another example of the Obama campaign being willing to say potentially anything in order to avoid the tough questions of the moment," said Holtz-Eakin.
Goolsbee told ABC News that he was not exactly sure when the conversation among Obama economic advisers took place. He said it's possible that it did not take place until a week ago when McCain started hammering Obama on the issue. Goolsbee said it was also possible that it happened earlier since some conservative columnists were criticizing Obama on this point before the Republican nominee started making the line of attack himself.
Goolsbee argued that his Tuesday reference to adding a work requirement referred not to a change in policy but rather a change in what the Obama campaign was making explicit.
"Our thing has never been welfare," said Goolsbee. "It was always our intention that there was a work requirement."
Asked how the Obama campaign made its work requirement on the mortgage credit explicit before Tuesday, Goolsbee said, "We made it explicit among ourselves," adding that he thinks Obama economic adviser Jason Furman might have made this point to reporters in recent interviews conducted on background. Goolsbee suggested that one of the reasons why the Obama campaign did not previously feel a need to make its work requirement explicit is that the refundable tax credits which exist in current U.S. tax law -- the Earned Income Tax Credit, the child credit, and the health coverage for displaced workers credit -- are all tied to either current work (in the case of the first two) are recent work (in the case of the third)
Goolsbee correctly noted that Obama's other refundable tax credits were clearly tied to work. An individual must work in order to qualify for Obama's making-work-pay credit, an individual must have earnings from a job in order to benefit from Obama's saver's credit, parents must work in order to benefit from Obama's refundable child care tax credit, and college students must perform community service in order to benefit from Obama's college tax credit.
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/10/obama-alters-ta.html
I sent in my absentee ballot last week. Live in CA vote in CO. I think early voting is good, and for one specific point, no one is reporting the results on the news as far as exit polling. I think there is something to be said for people in the West not voting because what is being reported in exit polling in the East.
I was asked a question by my military advisor Professor yesterday on what would be the single issue I would enact to make election day less of a circus, and ensure that people got out and voted. I said a media blackout. Can you imagine what would happen if people didn't have a clue as to how others were voting in other states based on exit polling? I say black it out and wait until the morning after to report the winner when all polls have closed and all votes have been counted.
JMHO
Can you imagine what would happen if people didn't have a clue as to how others were voting in other states based on exit polling? I say black it out and wait until the morning after to report the winner when all polls have closed and all votes have been counted.
JMHO
I couldn't agree more, have thought this for years. Pretty much since I was able to vote.
Red Flag 1
10-22-2008, 17:45
I sent in my absentee ballot last week. Live in CA vote in CO. I think early voting is good, and for one specific point, no one is reporting the results on the news as far as exit polling. I think there is something to be said for people in the West not voting because what is being reported in exit polling in the East.
I was asked a question by my military advisor Professor yesterday on what would be the single issue I would enact to make election day less of a circus, and ensure that people got out and voted. I said a media blackout. Can you imagine what would happen if people didn't have a clue as to how others were voting in other states based on exit polling? I say black it out and wait until the morning after to report the winner when all polls have closed and all votes have been counted.
JMHO
Yup!
Exit polls are just polls. They are not fact. Media, all of them, seem to make predicted wins on some "fluffy" data. There is potential for this "fluff" to influence voters on the left coast. I really think the more rabid dims will vote no matter what, at the peril of the non-dims .
For those hanging on the media "analysis", look to the Bush/Gore election cycle.
My $.02.
RF 1
Sdiver knows here in Colorado we will have the longest Ballot in 50 years and likely the greatest turnout ever. I will vote next week.
I have learned a little trick to help multiply my vote a little.* Since I live in a liberal bastion here in Denver I will try to find as many Democrats as I can and offer them the following line. "You are a Democrat and I'm a Republican. I have a lot of work on the 4th and may not be able to get down to the polls in time, how about I wont vote if you wont vote. Our votes cancel each other out so it will not make a difference in the final outcome." I repeat as often as possible and then cast my ballot. This used to work quite well before we had mail in ballots and early voting. My personal best was 13 Democrats in one year.
*This should this be read as entertainment only in case it is construed as Voter Fraud by the Colorado Election Commission.
I dropped my mail-in ballot off at the Supervisor of Elections Office this morning... so it can't get "lost in the mail".
Sdiver knows here in Colorado we will have the longest Ballot in 50 years and likely the greatest turnout ever. I will vote next week.
I have learned a little trick to help multiply my vote a little.* Since I live in a liberal bastion here in Denver I will try to find as many Democrats as I can and offer them the following line. "You are a Democrat and I'm a Republican. I have a lot of work on the 4th and may not be able to get down to the polls in time, how about I wont vote if you wont vote. Our votes cancel each other out so it will not make a difference in the final outcome." I repeat as often as possible and then cast my ballot. This used to work quite well before we had mail in ballots and early voting. My personal best was 13 Democrats in one year.
*This should this be read as entertainment only in case it is construed as Voter Fraud by the Colorado Election Commission.
How do you know those 13 Dems didn't do the same, thinking you wouldn't cast your ballot? I don't know about you, but even if I don't agree with who someone chooses as a candidate, I still think they should be voting. It is the duty of every able bodied adult in this country to vote. At least that is how I was raised.
The Reaper
10-23-2008, 09:32
I must be missing something.
In order to exercise my uninfringable 2nd Amendment rights to buy a firearm, I must apply in person with at least one photo ID, and submit to a background check, and a waiting period. According to the Dims, these are all good things, and should be even more restrictive, if possible, to keep those who cannot be trusted with firearms from obtaining them.
On the other hand, to exercise my Constitutional right to vote, I do not need ID, proof of residency, competence, a visit to a polling place, or in many cases, human DNA or a heartbeat, and that is a good thing, again as seen by Dims.
Why are two Constitutionally guaranteed rights seen so differently by a party?
I do not want illegal aliens, multiple voting, non-residents, underage minors, felons, those deemed mentally incompetent, addicts, straw-men, or fraud in either buying guns, or casting votes. A similar case could be made for alcohol purchases.
Thoughts?
TR
greenberetTFS
10-23-2008, 09:48
I must be missing something.
In order to exercise my uninfringable 2nd Amendment rights to buy a firearm, I must apply in person with at least one photo ID, and submit to a background check, and a waiting period. According to the Dims, these are all good things, and should be even more restrictive, if possible, to keep those who cannot be trusted with firearms from obtaining them.
On the other hand, to exercise my Constitutional right to vote, I do not need ID, proof of residency, competence, a visit to a polling place, or in many cases, human DNA or a heartbeat, and that is a good thing, again as seen by Dims.
Why are two Constitutionally guaranteed rights seen so differently by a party?
I do not want illegal aliens, multiple voting, non-residents, underage minors, felons, those deemed mentally incompetent, addicts, straw-men, or fraud in either buying guns, or casting votes. A similar case could be made for alcohol purchases.
Thoughts?
TR
TR,my thoughts are +1 :D
GB TFS :munchin
Sir--
My understanding is that the current practice of not verifying voter eligibility centers around the protection of the secrecy of the ballots. If someone knows that a person voted, to say nothing of where that person voted, a group can use that information to intimidate voters. For example, if a manager knows that a group of his workers live in a precinct and that precinct supported a measure or a candidate that management does not like, that group could be punished at the work place.
As for establishing qualifications for voting, as I recall a certain political party made a practice of holding voters to requirements they could not possibly meet at that time. (Of course, that party now acts as if it had nothing to do with that practice or the practices before it which entirely disenfranchised millions of Americans.)
I wonder if there a way that voter eligibility could be established and verified by one organization while another organization administers the elections.
I must be missing something.
In order to exercise my uninfringable 2nd Amendment rights to buy a firearm, I must apply in person with at least one photo ID, and submit to a background check, and a waiting period. According to the Dims, these are all good things, and should be even more restrictive, if possible, to keep those who cannot be trusted with firearms from obtaining them.
On the other hand, to exercise my Constitutional right to vote, I do not need ID, proof of residency, competence, a visit to a polling place, or in many cases, human DNA or a heartbeat, and that is a good thing, again as seen by Dims.
Why are two Constitutionally guaranteed rights seen so differently by a party?
I do not want illegal aliens, multiple voting, non-residents, underage minors, felons, those deemed mentally incompetent, addicts, straw-men, or fraud in either buying guns, or casting votes. A similar case could be made for alcohol purchases.
Thoughts?
TR
I will do the early voting this Friday here in Jax, FL. The lines have been long for early voting, and I cannot imagine how long they will be on Nov 4, so I will be voting early. Republican down the ballot :D
Why didn't you opt for a mail-in ballot? You can apply online, and choose to receive ballots for up to 2 years of elections. No lines! I believe there's still time to request one.
Duval County
http://www.duvalelections.com/items.aspx?id=28
State of Florida
http://election.dos.state.fl.us/voting/absentee.shtml
I went in to vote yesterday.
I filled out a form with name and address, and signed it. Walked up a lady, handed her the form, was told no ID required and was pointed in the direction of the voting booth.
From what I could tell, I would wager that anyone knowing my name and address could have voted for me.
Far too easy if you ask me.
I went in to vote yesterday.
I filled out a form with name and address, and signed it. Walked up a lady, handed her the form, was told no ID required and was pointed in the direction of the voting booth.
From what I could tell, I would wager that anyone knowing my name and address could have voted for me.
Far too easy if you ask me.
They'll allow that in Texas, too...but then they follow through afterwards to check and see whether your vote stands as cast or will be disqualified. I would guess they'll do that where you're living, too.
Richard's $.02 :munchin
Sir--
My understanding is that the current practice of not verifying voter eligibility centers around the protection of the secrecy of the ballots. If someone knows that a person voted, to say nothing of where that person voted.....
That is wrong. Most voter information is on line nowdays. In NC you can do a voter search by name of the state or individual counties. With the name you can get where they vote and their voter history.
No ID allows people to voter under false names.
One of these days somebody is going to show up on election day and find out somebody else early voted for them.
That is wrong. Most voter information is on line nowdays. In NC you can do a voter search by name of the state or individual counties. With the name you can get where they vote and their voter history.
No ID allows people to voter under false names.
One of these days somebody is going to show up on election day and find out somebody else early voted for them.
Sir,
Thank you for the correction.
It is my understanding that in the State of California, the secrecy of a ballot is a part of a ' voter bill of rights.' (http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/voter_bill_of_rights.pdf)
More generally, the U.S. Code prohibits acts of intimidation or coercion (http://www2.law.cornell.edu/uscode/uscode42/usc_sec_42_00001971----000-.html).
AngelsSix
10-24-2008, 16:46
I voted today. Very quick, no lines or anything. Got to meet Harris Blake today while I was picking up my signs.
Voted this morning, a steady flow of folks came through while I was there. I was VERY pleased that I was asked for a picture ID and then had to sign a form with my name, address etc stating I would not vote again on 4 November. I've not been asked for a picture ID in several years.
Gypsy..Right On!:lifter
Well, as far as "voter fraud"...I wonder if this counts? We re-registered my sis here in her new lo-cal. We did it by mail, and met the deadline.
"They" sent the new Voter I.D. card a few days later showing the "new" polling lo-cal.
"They" sent another identical card...and it came today!:eek:
What the????
Holly
If I had a hard time deciding I would wait. With this election being such a stark contrast between the views of the two candidates I voted when I registered. I dont like anyone on the ballot but the lesser of the evils got my vote.
EDIT I realize there was more on the ballot than BHO and McCain but I didnt even consider Barr when it could have technically been a vote for the Socialist.
I put my ballot in the mail earlier today.
Senator McCain is unlikely to carry California but one never knows.