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mffjm8509
05-28-2004, 17:58
I'd like to take a minute and impart some wisdom on anyone considering attendance at the SFQC.

Between tours in the 10th Group, I spent 3 years working out at Cp Mackall. I was a Cadre Team Sergeant (walker) for 5 cycles and the reaminder of the time I was Senior Instructor of Phase II.

Essenentially there were 2 questions I would ask myself when considering a grade of any student. If I could answer yes to both of these questions, then ussually everything fell into place for a passing grade. Nothing fancy here.....

1) Can I trust him? Probably the most important thing you can bring to Special Forces is a strong character. Never lie, cheat, or steal. There is no use for someone that I cannot trust.

2) Is he trainable? The CTS at Phase II will teach the students several simple SOPs. Can you as a student take what you've been shown in a short period of time, and apply it when tired, hungry, and under preassure? Are you trainable.

Asside from that there are a few areas that all potential students should spend the time required to master basic skills prior to attendance. Basic skills of shoot, move, and communicate are really all that is needed at this level, and your character and attitude will really determin the rest.

1. Shoot: Marksmanship is a task that very few units in the army really practice enough to be proficient. 9 rounds to zero and 40 to qual annually are the standard for most units. Unfortunately there is a great deal more information available, if studied and applied to make you a marksman. I think it was Jeff Cooper that said haveing a gun makes you no more of a gunfighter than having a piano makes you a musician. Moral of the story, learn to be proficient with issue weapons. Begin with FM 23-9, chapters 2-6 which focuses on basic rifle marksmanship. Learn to apply these fundamentals and leave the cool and sexy stuff for after your tabed and attending special schools, (and even then, these basics are the framework for success).

2. Move: Here I'd start with the rarely read FM 21-75, Combat Skills of the Soldier. This manul covers many tasks that most gunfighters take for granted, such as use of cover and concealment, cammoflage, and indivudual movement techniques. If you can apply what is covered in this book, youll be able to easilly apply to a maneuvering element in the field.

3. Communicate: Show up knowing how to operate simple US Army radio systems, PRC-119, PRC-126, PRC-148.

4. Common Tasks: You should be proficient at the SMCT but the follwoing I'd reccomend for attendance at Phase II:

Assemble, Dissasemble, Load, Fire, Engage Targets with, & Reduce Stoppages on the M4, M9, M203, M249, M240B, MK19, & M2 HB MG, (the last 2 arent required at Phase II but they are machine guns and lets face it machine guns are just cool!)

........A brief side note. If you study the tasks above and are proficeint with those weapons systems, you'll know that the SAW and 240MGs fire from the open bolt. There is absolutely no way to slowly let the bolt forward while the weapon is loaded without firing a round. I had to counsel at least one student per class that had an "AD" with a MG and he was always "just riding the bolt forward".....KNOW these weapons systems!



Prepare the M136 (AT4) for firing, and restore it to carrying configuration

Employ the M18A1 Claymore mine

Basic First Aid tasks (ABCs)

Navigate while dismounted
Navigate while mounted

This is not an all encompassing list of what you are expected to perform at Cp Mackall, its just a start. These are things you should be proficient in when you show up.

HTH

mp

The Reaper
05-28-2004, 18:11
OUTSTANDING advice from a man who definitely knows what he is talking about!

Thanks for sharing, the SF student you train today may be the SF soldier pulling security for you in the Box next trip.

Excellent info. Be aware that much of that info can be found in sub-courses, MOS libraries, or in the FMs and TMs on line at the Army Digital Library.

TR

FullGallop
05-28-2004, 23:15
Thank you very much for that post and to TR as well for adding some additional ways to get this info. As I won't be getting the added benefit of Infantry OSUT but instead attending a communications MOS at AIT. I really appreciate being pointed in the right direction. I plan on spending any and all free time while in the pipeline learning as much as I can outside of what is taught to me directly. So far I've stuck with FM7-8 as well as the Ranger Handbook for a broad overall not to mention I don't want to get ahead of myself.

Thanks again....

FG

mffjm8509
05-29-2004, 09:15
Originally posted by FullGallop
So far I've stuck with FM7-8 as well as the Ranger Handbook for a broad overall not to mention I don't want to get ahead of myself.

Thanks again....

FG

Both are great references to use, and you'll use them throughout the SFQC as you become an "Aposlte of Fire and Maneuver".

The references that I listed cover those skills required prior to the application of tactics covered in either 7-8 or RHB. Tasks like how to properly walk on patrol, how to select where to place your feet to move with stealth, how to select a route while moving from cover to cover. Those things are not covered in 7-8 or RHB, and since you are not attending 11B AIT, chances are you wont be skilled in these areas..

check it out......http://www.adtdl.army.mil/cgi-bin/atdl.dll/fm/21-75/toc.htm

mp

.45ACP
05-29-2004, 11:57
Thanks for the advice and references, they're a great help. I only wish I had a little more time to study it all before I ship out June 1st. I'll have to be sure and use free time at Airborne to get as much of this down as possible. Once again, thank you!

FullGallop
05-29-2004, 14:55
Thanks for that link as well. Great stuff!

take care....
FG

spdch
06-22-2004, 06:23
Good advice, especially since they are no longer allowing students to recycle Phase II under the new "get rid of the dirtbags" program.

mffjm8509
06-22-2004, 17:25
Originally posted by spdch
Good advice, especially since they are no longer allowing students to recycle Phase II under the new "get rid of the dirtbags" program.

Thats news to me. Good news!

In accordance with the regulation, everyone isnt entitled to multiple attempts to pass a phase. Recycles were only supposed to be afforded to those with extenuating circumstances. Somewhere along the line (years before my time) in an attempt to increase the number of students continuing forward, and thus out to the Groups, recycles pretty much became automatic to those that showed the ability to learn, and were of good character.

I dont look at it like its getting rid of dirtbags though. Many quality guys that come through the course just arent the right guy for this job. This job isnt for everyone. I'd like to have been a professional football player, but I was never big or fast enough to get a college schollarship. That doesnt mean I'm a dirtbag, just that I had to find another carreer path.

By the way, I think that the majority of the "dirtbags" have always been flushed out along the way through the pipeline. Sure some lesser quality individual slip through, as they do in virtually every type of school, but the gates established in training do an adequate job of vetting the force at the entry level.

mp

spdch
06-23-2004, 16:26
I agree that many of the guys that didn't make it were good guys and there were even some that got releived that didn't deserve it, but it also seemed like many of the people that slipped through selection got whacked at Phase II. then again, it is not my place to or position to judge who should and should not be there. At any rate, the "get rid of the dirtbags" phrase was quoted from a certrain 1SG out at Mackall and was meant tongue in cheek at least in part. Don't mean to be stepping on my crank here.

NousDefionsDoc
07-04-2004, 19:35
I've read this over and over. Great post MFF.

You Sluggos don't know how lucky you are to have this kind of info available before you go. I would have killed for something like PS.com

AngelsSix
07-04-2004, 22:20
I am curious about something....and if you feel it does not apply here please move it.

I was trainied on most if not all of the weapons mentioned, with the exception of the claymores. I was wondering why the AF SF no longer teaches the use and deployment of claymores. I have spoken to some other folks about this...(I will not mention any names) and have been told that they are not necessarily as effective as they are touted to be.
We used to be trained on setup and deployment of claymores, but we are no longer trained on those. I wonder why???

mffjm8509
07-04-2004, 23:16
I believe that there is a common misconception about the lehtality of the claymore mine. When properly emplaced, they do exactly what they were made to do which is cover the deadspace that crew served weapons cannot cover.

They are not a stand alone weapons system to be relied upon to kill the enemy.

The way they are employed in the Phase II is in addition to an M240 MG, 2x M249 SAWs, and a minimum of 5 x M4s in an ambush assault line. When properly emplaced approximatley 10 meters from the killzone, 15 meters apart, and aimed in accordance with the guidance for either model of claymore, they do a pretty good job of covering any area not covered by the individual sectors of fire.

Again, they are designed to be used in conjuntion with other weapons in order to be effective.

just my .02

mp

18C4V
07-05-2004, 10:38
Out standing post with great information!!!. I remember you from phase 2 in 2001. If my memory serves me correct you were in C co.

rwt_bkk
07-07-2004, 09:30
Just my .02 on claymores. I think they are a hellofa weapon for small teams. We used them extensively in a lot of different ways.

One thing we learned to employ them very close to the team by offsetting the firing angle from the team. We used them with 1 minute time fuses for when you are being pursued. I especially liked to wire them up with WP for nighttime use..!

The Karen Army manufactures their own and uses them extensively against the Burmese Army. The do a lot of claymore ambushes. I agree that sometimes the leathality is a bit overrated, but usually it has to do with the method of deployment (i.e. not picking a clear shot area).

I certainly would never go out without several of them!

ccrn
07-07-2004, 20:23
Does this mean that claymores would be wasted in mechanical ambush?

ccrn

The Reaper
07-07-2004, 20:57
Originally posted by ccrn
Does this mean that claymores would be wasted in mechanical ambush?

ccrn

No, but understand that the weapon has limitations like everything else.

It is not a magic weapon that will kill everything in a 60 degree arc out to 100 meters.

Not happening. Ask your friendly local 18C if you haven't shot any.

We now return you to the topic of this thread, SFQC advice.

TR

skipjack
01-29-2006, 00:17
Thought I'd bump this post to the top since it is a great read for those attending Phase II. I just graduated Phase II and am heading to SERE on Monday! Great advice mffjm8509! See everyone on the flip side, in 3 weeks.

-skipjack

Books
01-29-2006, 15:27
Great Thread. Everything mffjm8509 wrote is right on.

I came from the Sister service and for a variety of reasons, my first exposure to the active Army was SFAS. I entered the SF pipeline and when I went to Second Phase, my peers read something along the lines of, "Great Guy, carries the weight, doesn't know sh_t." I knew by week three that I had bombed my patrols and that, in spite of what I had learned, I hadn't learned nearly enough. Ultimately, I went all five weeks and was told when it was all over that I was going to get to ride the Pain Train all over again.

Being recycled is probably one of the best things that could have happened to me. I asked for and was allowed to attend SFPC (something that should be required of all softskill types) and now know and love the SAW and 240 in ways that might be described as biblical. I'll get to attend Phase II in the next go around and I know that when I'm done for the second time, I'll have a foundation that I can rely on. More importantly, I'll have a foundation that my future team can rely on.

For every Joe that's concerned about being weak in the skill sets, beg, borrow or steal to get into SFPC (aka SOPC II). It will set you up for success.

Back to lurking. Drive on.

Books

NousDefionsDoc
01-29-2006, 18:19
Excellent attitude Books. Drive on.

one-zero
01-30-2006, 17:23
Some of the claymore stuff could probably be pursued under fieldcraft forum?? I agree w/rwtbkk on use, especially by a small recce team in certain terrain/conditions.
Some teams have been able to blow perimeter claymores, scat, and throw the time-fused claymores out to delay pursuit - without firing a single shot that would allow the enemigos to pinpoint location...the varieties of use are astounding-as are the variations (of claymore device). Sometimes the m18 was too big/bulky to carry in quantity - we made our own as well as drew on those small/thin ones in blk stocks so a small team could expand options...
nothing sweeter than being a couple klicks away, hearing your present go boom, and listen to the boogereaters start a firefight with the thicket you left over 30 minutes ago...
:cool:
1-0

Warrior-Mentor
01-30-2006, 20:51
MFFJM8509,

Thanks for the great post.

From another MFFJM.

JM

Books
05-02-2006, 10:42
Just an update for those that find updates interesting.

Went through second phase (again) with a great team and CTS. Learned tons. Enjoyed (Endured?) SERE. Lost weight. Liberation broke my heart. Now banging my head against block one of Chinese and then on to the Delta course. Back to lurking.

Drive on.
Books

incommin
05-02-2006, 12:14
The claymore is a very useful weapon when deployed within its limitations. I can not think of a recon team that I worked with, or along side of, in Vietnam that did not carry several claymores on each mission. Each one was fitted with a different length of time fuse. The one-one or one-zero could set one up, to discourge a tracker without the team even stopping..... then there was their use in explosive ambushes..... the good ol days.