Mexican Cartels Give OK to Hit U.S. Targets

[Team Sergeant]

I for one am sure getting sick of the south american drug cartels.

Screw the arresting and "talks" with the corrupt south american politicians, we need to send a very clear message that the United States will NOT tolerate this sort of bullshit.

All of these cartels need a wake up call via a 5.56 in the chest. I'm getting real sick of the monies we spend on the CIA, DEA, NSA, NRO, etc etc etc It's time to target and kill these bastards before we lose one Border Agent or US law enforcement officer caught in the middle of their fighting.

Let's take the fight to them.:mad::mad::mad:


Police: Mexican Cartels Give OK to Hit U.S. Targets
Monday, August 25, 2008

EL PASO, Texas — Security is being heightened along the southern U.S. border because of a threat that warring Mexican cartels may send hit men into the United States, authorities said Monday.

Law enforcement officials would not discuss specific security measures being taken at the ports of entry, along the border or in the city of El Paso, Texas.

"We received credible information that drug cartels in Mexico have given permission to hit targets on the U.S. side of the border," El Paso police spokesman Officer Chris Mears said.

Authorities learned of the threat last week.

U.S. Customs and Border Protection Chief Officer Rick Lopez said: "CBP is on heightened alert ever since we became aware of the threats in Mexico."

U.S. Border Patrol spokesman Doug Mosier said officials "are reinforcing the importance of vigilance."

Drug cartel violence has claimed thousands of lives in Mexico this year. Nearly 800 people have been killed in Ciudad Juarez, a hardscrabble city of about 1.3 million people across the Rio Grande from El Paso.

The cartels, battling one another and the Mexican government for supremacy and control of lucrative drug and human smuggling routes, have become brazen in their attacks in recent months.
In Juarez this month, masked gunmen stormed a drug and alcohol rehabilitation center and killed eight people. Days later, Red Cross workers stopped treating gunshot victims for several hours after receiving death threats over Red Cross radios. The Red Cross had already stopped responding to emergency calls after 10 p.m. because of security concerns.

Law enforcement officials this year in New Mexico and Texas said they had received a purported cartel hit list identifying 15 to 20 potential targets in those states. Mears said the latest threat contained no specific targets.

The deadly wave of shootings and a rise in kidnappings for ransom in Mexico has prompted some of its citizens, including police officers and a prosecutor, to seek asylum in the U.S.

While the ongoing cartel war has been largely contained in Mexico, more than two dozen gunshot victims have been taken for medical treatment in El Paso, prompting security lockdowns at the county hospital.

Lopez said agents working at the ports, where those gunshot victims have been taken before coming into the U.S., are taking extra security precautions. Ambulances transporting gunshot victims are already being escorted by local law enforcement to the hospital, he said.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,410261,00.html

[greenberetTFS]

TS,

Excellent point....How long do we have to put up with this s**t? :mad:

GB TFS

[rubberneck]

I too am growing weary of our government bending over backwards for the Mexican's. It is bad enough to have to deal with their narco thugs and citizens illegal crossings, but we also turn a blind eye towards the behavior of the Mexican military who has shown no respect for our borders. I wish the President would grow a set and tell our friends to the south that we're done putting up with crap from them.

[Red Flag 1]

TS,

Great point!!

"Reinforcing the importance of vigilance" does not address the issue.

Trying to do something does not get anytrhing done!

Thanks!

RF 1

[charlietwo]

I too am growing weary of our government bending over backwards for the Mexican's. It is bad enough to have to deal with their narco thugs and citizens illegal crossings, but we also turn a blind eye towards the behavior of the Mexican military who has shown no respect for our borders. I wish the President would grow a set and tell our friends to the south that we're done putting up with crap from them.

I hate to say it, but I think the lack of forceful action stems from the fear of losing the vast Hispanic vote, regardless of their legal status. I can't think of any other reasons that carry enough weight for the southern states to suffer this insanity.

A few teams could cause some serious disruption in the BS that's going on down in the southwest right now. It's like Iraq en espanol... much easier.

[Rumblyguts]

I wonder if troops are allowed to carry ammo while doing JTF-6 (apparently now North).

[C-Fro]

The MS-13 being a major contributor to this ongoing problem. With their gang Sprawled out across North & South America numbering in the millions. I do agree, It is time to put an end to this problem. The only way these people think though is through violence, So i say give them what they want which is a 5.56 in their chest like TS said.

[HOLLiS]

I have been following the actions in Mexico for some time. President Calderon is doing something that should have been done long ago, going after the cartels. there has been a war going on for some time. Mexican LEOs, officials and other has been assassinated by the cartels. From my understanding there is a lot more going on in the way of cooperation between the US and Mexico than is mentioned in the press.


The Cartel shift to hit targets in the US is a tactic to spread out Mexican resources on the war on the cartels and shift focus away from the cartels. The Mexican military has taken over many police activities because of the corruption within some of those departments. The cartel are feeling the sting and I believe this is to be expected as the cartels attempt to elude the Mexican authorities and fight back.

I would like to more cooperation between our two countries and other CA and SA countries to strike the cartels hard.

As TS mentioned, it would be best for all, to "Let's take the fight to them"

[Richard]

And now you've got to ask yourself, "What would Barry do?" :confused:

Richard :munchin

[Team Sergeant]

I wonder if troops are allowed to carry ammo while doing JTF-6 (apparently now North).

The answer is yes, the troops involved in some of the past JTF-6 missions had ammo.

[Remington Raidr]

And now you've got to ask yourself, "What would Barry do?" :confused:

Richard :munchin

He will cause CHANGE, yes he CAN. (Does anybody else think that particular exhortation is on the kindergarten level?)

[dr. mabuse]

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[nmap]

A most interesting article.

As matters stand, San Antonio is too close to the border.

Since I suspect that Mexico's economy will get worse, and that the situation will cause more instability within Mexico, I continue to think of the costs and benefits of relocation.

I would like to think we would take control of our borders. But hope is a dangerous thing...

[Trip_Wire (RIP)]

I'm with TS on this one! Take the battle to them! ASAP!:D

[C-Fro]

Do you guys think there will be any major U.S actions anytime soon against Drug Cartels?

[Team Sergeant]

Do you guys think there will be any major U.S actions anytime soon against Drug Cartels?

Not unless they target and kill a federal agent, judge, or LEO.

We will do nothing, well, nothing on a scale that means anything anyway.

TS

[Detonics]

So what type of appetite would the "Cartels" have for incursion if their leadership just began quietly disappearing the day after the first documented U.S. target was hit?

[stickey]

I mentioned this in a different topic about drug cultivation within our own US national forests....

Start taking these people out. All of them, from the cultivator to the padron/jefe. Dont even try to make it look like the other cartel is doing it...announce that we are eliminating threats and then "ready, aim, fire". No questions, no getting congress involved to delay it all.

I also find it hard to believe that we dont know where the narco hq's are at and where their main people are, where they live, hang out, etc... I know we are "stretched" due to other involvements...but as soon as we start pulling folks back from sw asia, we shift to protect our homeland. The older i get, the more and more i like the idea of isolationism.

(Dont get me wrong, i think we are needed where we are at right now and should be there)

[morolen]

i personally feel the "War on drugs" is a Farce, but sure, let them hit a US target..


worked well for the Taliban, we didn't, you know, start two wars over it, so let them swat at the beehive a little, see what a war on drugs is really about. Stop arresting Americans and start eliminating the source, at 850 feet per second if needed.

[ZonieDiver]

i personally feel the "War on drugs" is a Farce, but sure, let them hit a US target..
worked well for the Taliban, we didn't, you know, start two wars over it, so let them swat at the beehive a little, see what a war on drugs is really about. Stop arresting Americans and start eliminating the source, at 850 feet per second if needed.

While the idea of striking at the narcotics traffickers and narco-terrorists is a great idea and should be started before they strike here more than they already have, we must also do something about this country's insatiable desire for drugs. It is a simple fact of economics - supply and demand - that if there is a big demand for a product, someone will supply it. "We" are a major, if not the major part of the problem - and need to find some workable way to deal with it, since the "War on Drugs" has gone on longer than the VietNam War, Gulf War, Afghanistan, and Iraq combined - with much less success than any of them.

[SMP9168]

i personally feel the "War on drugs" is a Farce, but sure, let them hit a US target..


worked well for the Taliban, we didn't, you know, start two wars over it, so let them swat at the beehive a little, see what a war on drugs is really about. Stop arresting Americans and start eliminating the source, at 850 feet per second if needed.

Apparently you've never seen the carnage caused by gun toting thugs protecting their drug interests. You obviously haven't seen a 6 year old boy torn up by 7.62 rounds that penetrated his house while he was sleeping as two rival gangs battled over a drug rip. You probably haven't had to console a 60 year old woman who was robbed of her $12 so some crack head could get his next high.

We will never win the war on drugs, but we can certainly attempt to keep a lid on the violence. Targeting the cartels would be a great start. I think what they mean by hitting a "US target" means they want to take out competitors here in the states, or their middle men here who are stealing from them. No real problem there, until the deal gets interupted by the police, and an officer gets killed, or innocent citizens are caught in the cross fire.

As long as we have American citizens indulging in illegal drugs, we will have a war on drugs.

[tom kelly]

The 1st SFG (A) is having the 2009 Group Reunion in El Paso TX. 16 June to 20 June 2009. The SFA Chapter hosting the reunion is planning a cross border trip into Mexico, which I don't think I will take. I have never been to El Paso so I have no idea what the local PD and the location of the hotel are like? The Hotel is The Chase Suites located at 6791 Montana Ave. Any thoughts or recommendations would be helpful. Regard's, tom kelly

[Richard]

The 1st SFG (A) is having the 2009 Group Reunion in El Paso TX. 16 June to 20 June 2009. The SFA Chapter hosting the reunion is planning a cross border trip into Mexico...

The CG of Fort Bliss has put El Paso 'OFF LIMITS' for AD personnel because of the situation in Ciudad Juarez. The days when you could cross to eat, drink, and do Maria are long gone from that area. :(

Richard

[JumpinJoe1010]

The 1st SFG (A) is having the 2009 Group Reunion in El Paso TX. 16 June to 20 June 2009. The SFA Chapter hosting the reunion is planning a cross border trip into Mexico, which I don't think I will take. I have never been to El Paso so I have no idea what the local PD and the location of the hotel are like? The Hotel is The Chase Suites located at 6791 Montana Ave. Any thoughts or recommendations would be helpful. Regard's, tom kelly

Downtown is a stone throw from the border. Saying that, if you could afford the "Camino Real" it would be worth the stay. If not, go to the West side of town and stay in a hotel their. It is about a five minute to seven minute drive from there. El Paso is divided by a mountain, and the tip comes to the edge of downtown El Paso. Older El Paso lays to the East, and newer lays to the West.

While their, drive down W. Paisano Dr. It runs directly against the border on the South side of downtown, which will take you by Jaurez without actually going there. As stated earlier, it is off limits due to all the soldiers getting killed there.

[Team Sergeant]

The 1st SFG (A) is having the 2009 Group Reunion in El Paso TX. 16 June to 20 June 2009. The SFA Chapter hosting the reunion is planning a cross border trip into Mexico, which I don't think I will take. I have never been to El Paso so I have no idea what the local PD and the location of the hotel are like? The Hotel is The Chase Suites located at 6791 Montana Ave. Any thoughts or recommendations would be helpful. Regard's, tom kelly


They have picked a shitty place to have a reunion.

I've been there, business trip with JTF-6. There's nothing there I'd go back for, nothing.

[Pete]

......I've been there, business trip with JTF-6. There's nothing there I'd go back for, nothing.

After 7 months on Biggs my wife was more than happy to depart for Little Rock AFB.

[Team Sergeant]

The CG of Fort Bliss has put El Paso 'OFF LIMITS' for AD personnel because of the situation in Ciudad Juarez. The days when you could cross to eat, drink, and do Maria are long gone from that area. :(

Richard

Richard, I see nothing on their website to indicate that this order has been given?

This should have made national news.

Team Sergeant

[Chris Cram]

Now would this exercise be relavent? :lifter

Raw: Choppers drop teams on Portland buildings in drill (Video)
http://www.kgw.com/video/raw-index.html?nvid=276255

Last Night's Surprise Navy SEAL Training (May Have) Included Live Fire And Training Ammo
http://wweek.com/wwire/?p=12890

More Helicopter Training Planned Over Portland And Salem
http://news.opb.org/article/2921-more-helicopter-training-planned-over-portland-and-salem/

Military helicopter training to continue over Portland (video)
http://www.kgw.com/news-local/stories/kgw_082508_dod_training.11a8acf9.html

[The Reaper]

No.

And take the tinfoil hat off now.

TR

[Loadsmasher]

Richard, I see nothing on their website to indicate that this order has been given?

This should have made national news.

Team Sergeant


This is the body of an e-mail sent out in June. Not exactly a ban on traveling south, but commanders can always make it more restrictive.


Who: All Texas Military Forces (TXMF) military and civilian personnel and their families.

What: NGB advises National Guard Commanders to restrict movement of service members and their families to the areas mentioned below and that travel to these areas remain restricted. The TXMF strongly discourages travel to Mexico due to increase violence along the border and border towns, until safety and security conditions improve. The State Department and NGB has issued a Force Protection Travel Advisory for Mexico.

Cities include Tijuana, Nogales, Juarez, Nuevo ,Laredo, Acuna, Piedras Negras, and Reynosa/Matamoros.
USNORTHCOM has set the FPCON as BRAVO for Mexico.
Violent criminal activity fueled by war between criminal organizations struggling for control of the narcotics trade along the US-Mexico border. The existing violence due to the conflict between the Mexican government and the drug cartels has created potentially hazardous conditions for all personnel along the US-Mexico border.

The TXMF J3 Anti-Terrorism/Force Protection Office recommends this advisory apply country-wide, not just the cities mentioned, due to the increased number of non-Mexicans, primarily Americans, who are being kidnapped at an alarming rate throughout Mexico.

When: Effective Immediately.

[Chris Cram]

:D
And take the tinfoil hat off now.

We have one in the office...
An otherwise well grounded fellow, except for government related subjects.
...Ironic, considering where we work. ;)

[EDIT] or maybe not...

[Team Sergeant]

This is the body of an e-mail sent out in June. Not exactly a ban on traveling south, but commanders can always make it more restrictive.


Who: All Texas Military Forces (TXMF) military and civilian personnel and their families.

What: NGB advises National Guard Commanders to restrict movement of service members and their families to the areas mentioned below and that travel to these areas remain restricted. The TXMF strongly discourages travel to Mexico due to increase violence along the border and border towns, until safety and security conditions improve. The State Department and NGB has issued a Force Protection Travel Advisory for Mexico.

Cities include Tijuana, Nogales, Juarez, Nuevo ,Laredo, Acuna, Piedras Negras, and Reynosa/Matamoros.
USNORTHCOM has set the FPCON as BRAVO for Mexico.
Violent criminal activity fueled by war between criminal organizations struggling for control of the narcotics trade along the US-Mexico border. The existing violence due to the conflict between the Mexican government and the drug cartels has created potentially hazardous conditions for all personnel along the US-Mexico border.

The TXMF J3 Anti-Terrorism/Force Protection Office recommends this advisory apply country-wide, not just the cities mentioned, due to the increased number of non-Mexicans, primarily Americans, who are being kidnapped at an alarming rate throughout Mexico.

When: Effective Immediately.

That's nice, but that's the Texas NG, not the active duty federal soldiers.

That order has "zero" effect on the active duty soldiers.

Team Sergeant

[Team Sergeant]

Now would this exercise be relavent? :lifter

Raw: Choppers drop teams on Portland buildings in drill (Video)
http://www.kgw.com/video/raw-index.html?nvid=276255

Last Night's Surprise Navy SEAL Training (May Have) Included Live Fire And Training Ammo
http://wweek.com/wwire/?p=12890

More Helicopter Training Planned Over Portland And Salem
http://news.opb.org/article/2921-more-helicopter-training-planned-over-portland-and-salem/

Military helicopter training to continue over Portland (video)
http://www.kgw.com/news-local/stories/kgw_082508_dod_training.11a8acf9.html


You're killing me....:rolleyes: I'm laughing my ass off after reading those articles.

Those articles fail to mention the other 9,999,999,999 times we've trained off base and are never spotted. If you see us at "work" it's because we don't care, no OPSEC or PERSEC is involved.

And, if you are an "American", that lives and works in the US, with no ties to terrorism or drug cartels then you should have absolutely no fear of the UNITED STATES Military, none, nada, zip, zero.

While we train in the United States we are not allowed to do ANYTHING to US civilians.

Then again, you may want to keep a close watch on the skies for the helicopters that make no noise and are coated with the new stealth (invisible) paint.;)

Team Sergeant

[Chris Cram]

You're killing me.... I'm laughing my ass off after reading those articles.

TS:
This is Portland, “Moscow on the Willamette”… One of the top three nut-magnets on the West Coast.
This is the city where ‘STAY WEARD’ is a common motto.

Reality..? :confused: No, no, no…
Feeling… Being in the moment… Piece, love, acceptance, pacifism, feminism, etc…
World good… US Gov. Bad… Bush Bad… McCain Bad…
Spiritual good… Religion bad…

(Hypocrisy is rampant) :rolleyes: EOR (End Of Rant)

[The Reaper]

The whiners would be the first to bitch if the troops involved were not at the top of their game during an incident.

Let me ask this, if it were your kids that the units were rescuing, would you think that the noise and disruption of their training (maybe once in five or ten years in any given city) was excessive?

This has nothing to do with the topic of this thread, BTW. Try to remain focused, Chris.

TR

[Loadsmasher]

That's nice, but that's the Texas NG, not the active duty federal soldiers.

That order has "zero" effect on the active duty soldiers.

Team Sergeant

Rog-o TS, but that applies to the TXNG across the board at all times, on and off duty. Although it doesn't have the same meaning as a complete travel restiction for active duty it does say something about their security concerns. The only stuff I can find on Bliss' homepage alludes to restrictions but doesn't actually spell them out. I did find that you have to have Battalion level approval to cross the border.

[Team Sergeant]

I did find that you have to have Battalion level approval to cross the border.

I think you'll find that they're only re-enforcing what's already on the list of orders. I believe any OCONUS travel by active duty soldiers must be first approved by their chain of command. (At what level I'm not sure.)

[C-Fro]

Not unless they target and kill a federal agent, judge, or LEO.
We will do nothing, well, nothing on a scale that means anything anyway.

TS

It's sad we have to wait for that.

[Swamp]

"The cartels, battling one another and the Mexican government for supremacy and control of lucrative drug and human smuggling routes, have become brazen in their attacks in recent months."

This may be a great place for employment of the MQ-9 Reaper.....Load it up with some GBU-12 and 38's follow them around a bit take out their C and C monitor and destroy MSR's and dope refinery's....Just my .02

[60_Driver]

From my understanding there is a lot more going on in the way of cooperation between the US and Mexico than is mentioned in the press.

I don't know that there is much in the way of "cooperation", unless you count the State Department "cooperating" with the Mexicans by giving them metric assloads of money with no say in how it's spent.

Make no mistake, Mexicans will accept no US direction in their affairs. They will more than happily, however, take out money and our gear while telling our gringo asses to f*ck off.

If we had a secure southern border we wouldn't have to kiss their asses to try and keep their cesspool from spilling into our jacuzzi.

[CoLawman]

In June of this year 6 members of the military trained, paramilitary branch (hired guns) of a Mexican Drug Cartel run by Osiel Cardenas invaded a home in Phoenix, firing 100 rounds at the victim, an American citizen. Three of the members of Los Zetas were captured by Phoenix PD. AR15's, body armor, Kevlar helmets, black BDUs etc. etc. were used by the suspects.

This was not the first hit by Mexican Drug Cartels on American soil. Most recently August 25th, five Hispanics were found slain in a residence in Shelby County Alabama (1000 miles from Mexican border). Law enforcement believes it was a hit directed by Mexican cartel.

The drug cartels are here and plying their murderous trade throughout the United States. For those of you interested in an illustrative example of just how embedded the cartels are on our soil, check out this link from DEA. Click on your state and look at the "Most Wanted" surnames. Then click on other regions and see that there is no discernable difference in surnames.

http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/fugitives/fuglist.htm

The war on drugs is not a farce. The current level of homicides, beheadings, mutilations, executions of law enforcement personnel in Mexico is coming to our shores. When will it rise to a level comparable to that being suffered in Mexico? I would bet my career that we will see similar levels before my career ends. I am not a chicken little but I have seen the face of evil and it comes from the south and is attracting minimal attention from MSM.

Currently there are 750,000 tracked gang members in the United States. There are an additional 350,000 gang members currently incarcerated. That is a total of 1.1 million gang members who meet federal requirements for tracking by LE. In short that means that there are far more gangsters than the official number of 1.1 million.

Every gang is associated with the Mexican Drug Cartels. It is at the retail, wholesale distribution, or in the "muscle" end of business of collecting, paybacks, home invasions (drug rips) or protection. Gangs are as dependent on the cartels as we are dependent upon the mid east for our oil.

Just for the record we cannot track an individual as a gang member unless 1. We can document their gang affiliation. 2. They must have committed a crime as part of their gang affiliation

[tom kelly]

Thanks to everyone who responded to my inquiry regarding security in & around El Paso TX. I will NOT be going across the border into Mexico. I have no plans to travel around the city especially after daylight hrs. Thanks Again, Regard's, tom kelly

[dmgedgoods]

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[mac117]

I have always felt that we should get on line from Brownsville, TX to San Diego, CA and move south kicking ass until we run into penguins....in their natural habitat!