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Team Sergeant
05-18-2004, 17:47
Better than snap caps... Anyone know where I can get more?

Air.177
05-18-2004, 18:25
These are Remington Brand, according to the Brownell ad: Brownells (http://www.brownells.com/aspx/NS/store/ProductDetail.aspx?p=6811&title=ACTION+PROVING+DUMMIES)

GackMan
05-18-2004, 23:02
do they have a spring or anything in them for the firing pin to contact?

Air.177
05-19-2004, 08:39
I just spoke to Brownells, and they say that they are NOT Remington and they are not meant to function as a snap cap.

Team Sergeant
05-19-2004, 08:42
They are 12ga rounds minus powder. The primer is a used (dented)primer.

I use them to practice loading and unloading.

hoepoe
05-19-2004, 08:47
Is it not feasablt to just purchase all the components for loading your own shells and load, minus the powder?

I suppose the used primer would be not be any more of issue than using used shells for reloads?

As i read my post i suppose the only drawback would be time and of course a reloading press for shotgun shells....backing out now

Hoepoe

GackMan
05-19-2004, 12:17
so they have the same weight, unlike a snap cap?

I have some that are just a molded pieces of safety orange plastic, versus the snap caps. they are cheaper but the rim on the shot gun shells doesn't last very long once the extractor has its way with it 20 or so times.

I know some guys that will use re-loaded shells minus powder so they have the same weight but I think that is a safety issue... having inert ammo that looks like real ammo? not in my house.

hoepoe
05-19-2004, 12:33
Originally posted by GackMan
. I think that is a safety issue... having inert ammo that looks like real ammo? not in my house.

Hi GackMan

I hope you are well.

You made a very good point.

Hoepoe

Air.177
05-19-2004, 12:41
I don't know what color TS's dummy shells are, But when I find some, I can assure you that they will be "Safety orange" or some such obnoxious color to prevent mix ups that require at least spackle to fix the wall.

Team Sergeant
05-19-2004, 13:57
Originally posted by GackMan
so they have the same weight, unlike a snap cap?

I have some that are just a molded pieces of safety orange plastic, versus the snap caps. they are cheaper but the rim on the shot gun shells doesn't last very long once the extractor has its way with it 20 or so times.

I know some guys that will use re-loaded shells minus powder so they have the same weight but I think that is a safety issue... having inert ammo that looks like real ammo? not in my house.

The shells are transparent and have DUMMY written on both sides. If one were to load them thinking they were live, well, thats why they say DUMMY.....

Yes, again, they are not snap caps, they are 2 3/4 inch rounds minus the powder. Great for loading and unloading practice.

TS

hoepoe
05-19-2004, 14:19
If i'm not mistaken, they use used primers, right?

If this is so, this doesn't really solve the problem of dry firing and weakening the firing pin.

So, they are good for loading and unloading, but you can't really practice "dry" exercises though.

That is the main purpose of snap caps. (isn't it?)

Are snap caps expensive? Why not just use them?

No sarcasm intended, here to offer advice and learn what is offered.

Hoepoe

Team Sergeant
05-19-2004, 14:26
Hoepoe,

I’ve never heard of a firing pin break on a “modern” weapon, ever.

As for the dummy shells, they work great for what they are intended. I would advise the use of snap caps for intense dry firing practice.

I also have snap caps for just that purpose, dry firing. What they do not have is the weight, feel and texture of a real round and are crap for reloading practice or misfire drills.

TS

hoepoe
05-19-2004, 14:36
Originally posted by Team Sergeant
Hoepoe,

I’ve never heard of a firing pin break on a “modern” weapon, ever.

As for the dummy shells, they work great for what they are intended. I would advise the use of snap caps for intense dry firing practice.

I also have snap caps for just that purpose, dry firing. What they do not have is the weight, feel and texture of a real round and are crap for reloading practice or misfire drills.

TS

Team Sergeant, Sir

ALL my pin damage experience is from pistols and never from a "long" weapon. I suppose the thicker firing pins used are much stronger than the itty bitty pins used on semi-auto's.

I guess you can attribute my paranoia to my trauma of broken pins!! ;-)


I really need to get some sleep

Out

Hoepoe

Smokin Joe
05-19-2004, 14:58
Team Sergeant,

I have about 4 or 5 of the rounds you are talking about I can post a pic later tonight (when I get home) if you want. I got them from Remington, for attending there Shotgun Armors course (everyone in the class got a hand full).

I bet you could make the same thing by using reloads and fill them with sand or other like product.

I will look through my course notes and see if I can get a contact number for you as well.

Smokin Joe
05-19-2004, 15:29
TS,

PM Inbound

Air.177
05-19-2004, 16:34
I just talked to Remington, A box of 25 runs roundabout 30 dollars to Joe Public. The Remington Part Number is:20580.

Team Sergeant
05-19-2004, 18:30
Another reason I like this board.

Ask a simple question and get an answer!

Thanks everyone.

(That reminds me, I need to ask another question, ammo related.)

TS