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05-01-2008, 03:19
www.baltimoresun.com/news/nation/bal-te.afghanwater01may01,0,4114076.story
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Marines' new enemy: thirst
Heat, heavy loads, lack of water slow attack on Taliban
By David Wood
Sun Reporter
May 1, 2008
GARMSIR, Afghanistan

For the Marines fighting in southern Afghanistan, a shortage of drinking water turned out to be nearly as big a concern as Taliban insurgents.
When Marines of Alpha and Bravo Companies, 1st Battalion, 6th Marines, pushed into Garmsir, a Taliban stronghold, before dawn Tuesday, each toted 18 half-liter bottles of water plus two liters in his pack. Their staggering 100- to 150-pound loads - including weapons, ammunition, mortar base plates, radios, flak vests and helmets and other gear - had troop commanders worried even before the operation began.
Carrying all this, the Marines have struggled night and day across fields of dust and weeds, kneeling or flopping prone to get "eyes on" the enemy or to take cover from fire, then laboriously pushing themselves to their feet to cross irrigation ditches and patrol along green fields of wheat and pink and white poppies.
And in the 100-degree heat, the water has gone down fast.
Only hours into the mission, some platoons were reporting they were low on water. By nightfall, the Marines had asked for an unscheduled resupply of water.
The pallets of bottled water came by CH-46 helicopter from FOB (Forward Operating Base) Dwyer, a major supply base in southern Afghanistan.
Dwyer itself had just received its own resupply of water. Because of the time and risk of ground convoys, the pallets of bottled water came tumbling out of the sky under parachutes.
Alpha and Bravo reported several heat casualties, handled by their own Navy corpsmen. One corpsman, Petty Officer 2nd Class Timothy Altizer, 27, from Princeton, W.Va., was treating Marines with shade, cool water and in some cases intravenous fluids - and rest.
Some of the Marines' missions were delayed until night, allowing them to find shade in the cool mud-and-adobe compounds, lent by local farmers. There, the Marines would shuck their rucksacks and sprawl asleep in helmets and flak vests, in some cases under the curious gaze of chickens and goats.
The high consumption of water was a complication for the Marine battalion, which had to balance the resupply of ammunition and water with available helicopter airlift. By midweek, that adjustment had been made and daily water resupply was under way, said Maj. Tom Clinton, battalion executive officer.
"This is just reality buffering up against the plan," he said.
Alpha Company's commander, Capt. Sean Dynan, spent hours last week fretting over the loads his men would carry and their mission of assaulting a Taliban stronghold by helicopter and spending days seeking out and fighting Taliban insurgents.
"I don't want to be in a situation where we go red [empty] on ammunition because we didn't bring enough," he said one night. "But I don't want my guys going down with dehydration because we brought too much."
Hours before the mission began, Dynan and company 1st Sgt. Scott Hamm went through each Marine's pack, tossing aside extra underwear, toothpaste and candy bars to shave down the weight.
Dehydration and the heavy loads cascaded into other problems as Marines struggled to keep their footing along the narrow ditches and 20-inch-high baked earth irrigation dikes hidden beneath hip-high grass, wheat or poppies.
Lance Cpl. Zach Bell suffered an injury common this week, slipping and badly twisting an ankle as he negotiated his load, including 20 pounds of ammunition, along the slick edge of an irrigation ditch. He was sent by helicopter to the surgical facility at FOB Dwyer.
"I knew it was going to be tricky, so I tried to be real careful with my steps," he said with regret.
david.wood@baltsun.com
Copyright © 2008, The Baltimore Sun

Pete S
05-01-2008, 05:03
Bad planning from the beginning.

The Reaper
05-01-2008, 06:51
Something isn't tracking with that story.

11 liters of water per man is almost 3 gallons. I find it hard to believe that anyone can drink 3 gallons of water in less than 24 hours, particularly without suffering from hyponatremia.

More likely, some chose not to hump the water, or to carry lesser amounts, and sucked their buddies dry.

In any case, this sounds like a BS story that got reported as fact.

TR

jbour13
05-01-2008, 09:26
Something isn't tracking with that story.

11 liters of water per man is almost 3 gallons. I find it hard to believe that anyone can drink 3 gallons of water in less than 24 hours, particularly without suffering from hyponatremia.

More likely, some chose not to hump the water, or to carry lesser amounts, and sucked their buddies dry.

In any case, this sounds like a BS story that got reported as fact.

TR

+1

Why not bandwagon the current crop of stories that are around about military issues. Barracks, Water, ammunition.

Sensationalism at it's best......again. :rolleyes:

Blakeslee
05-01-2008, 09:31
"I don't want to be in a situation where we go red [empty] on ammunition because we didn't bring enough," he said one night. "But I don't want my guys going down with dehydration because we brought too much."

Too much? I get the weight issue. But, when you're humping that much weight to begin with, wouldn't water would be something you wouldn't go light on? I know I'm not a subject matter expert, but if my ruck is too heavy for me to handle, I hope I'll never find myself saying, "...let me drop off some of the water; that'll do the trick."

AngelsSix
05-01-2008, 22:02
The fact that they stated "Hours before the mission began, Dynan and company 1st Sgt. Scott Hamm went through each Marine's pack, tossing aside extra underwear, toothpaste and candy bars to shave down the weight." means two things. They can't or don't trust their men, their men can't be trusted, and knowing that fact leads me to believe that if the leadership felt the need to go through all of their packs they should have known that the
knucklheads would probably not bring enough water. They set a bad precedent by telling the guys to lighten their load. I myself have personally witnessed issues with troops refusing to bring adequate water on missions because "canteen make too much noise and they are heavy". Makes it real fun for the medics, bad for everyone else that has to take on their weight and responsibilities when they hit the deck because of dehydration.

Pete S
05-01-2008, 22:29
The fact that they stated "Hours before the mission began, Dynan and company 1st Sgt. Scott Hamm went through each Marine's pack, tossing aside extra underwear, toothpaste and candy bars to shave down the weight." means two things. They can't or don't trust their men,

Inspect what you expect, but for a 1st Sgt to do that may show some problems, namely mistrust in the Platoon Sgts and Sqd Leaders. Some of this sounds like they didn't cross load their gear correctly.

Edit to add: There was a report on the national news tonight from a reporter imbedded with one of the companies mentioned in the story.

The Reaper
05-02-2008, 08:18
The fact that they stated "Hours before the mission began, Dynan and company 1st Sgt. Scott Hamm went through each Marine's pack, tossing aside extra underwear, toothpaste and candy bars to shave down the weight." means two things. They can't or don't trust their men, their men can't be trusted, and knowing that fact leads me to believe that if the leadership felt the need to go through all of their packs they should have known that the
knucklheads would probably not bring enough water. They set a bad precedent by telling the guys to lighten their load. I myself have personally witnessed issues with troops refusing to bring adequate water on missions because "canteen make too much noise and they are heavy". Makes it real fun for the medics, bad for everyone else that has to take on their weight and responsibilities when they hit the deck because of dehydration.

K:

My TS and I have had to go through team members rucks before and help cut weight after a BC mandated pre-infil ruck weigh ins. 80 pounds sounds like a lot till you lay out the mandated team gear share, ammo, batteries, IV bags, NODs, optics, kit bags, crypto gear, etc. I have loaded up to 135 pounds in a Large ALICE, plus the rest of my individual LBE, helmet, weapon, 55 pound parachute, etc. That was for a 30 day UW mission, on the personal gear, I think I had four pairs of socks or so, three changes of underwear, t-shirt, PT shorts, one spare uniform, one stripped MRE per day, a shaving kit, and some rice and ramen.

I have rarely had to chuck comfort items, most of the time, guys were trying to help by carrying extra team gear, usually commo or medical. We had a guy bleed out and die on one trip, after that, I added a transfusion set to my gear.

In truth, I seriously doubt that the Marines were carrying 11 liters each, or drank it all in less than 24 hours. I have seen leadership have to lighten rucks and do shakedowns, especially with junior troops, and about as often to make sure that they were carrying what they were supposed to as not carrying too much.

TR

AngelsSix
05-03-2008, 18:06
TR,

Thanks for the input. I wasn't aware that that was the norm, guess you learn from experience. Of course, you know us lazy AF instructors don't do any rucking, unless you count the three feet from the armory to the truck with the weapons.:D