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Roguish Lawyer
03-24-2008, 10:37
LMAO
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2008/03/hillarys_balkan_adventures_par.html
Hillary's Balkan Adventures, Part II
"I remember landing under sniper fire. There was supposed to be some kind of a greeting ceremony at the airport, but instead we just ran with our heads down to get into the vehicles to get to our base."
--Hillary Clinton, speech at George Washington University, March 17, 2008.
Hillary Clinton has been regaling supporters on the campaign trail with hair-raising tales of a trip she made to Bosnia in March 1996. In her retelling, she was sent to places that her husband, President Clinton, could not go because they were "too dangerous." When her account was challenged by one of her traveling companions, the comedian Sinbad, she upped the ante and injected even more drama into the story. In a speech earlier this week, she talked about "landing under sniper fire" and running for safety with "our heads down."
There are numerous problems with Clinton's version of events.
The Facts
(Updated below)
As a reporter who visited Bosnia soon after the December 1995 Dayton Peace agreement, I can attest that the physical risks were minimal during this period, particularly at a heavily fortified U.S. Air Force base, such as Tuzla. Contrary to the claims of Hillary Clinton and former Army secretary Togo West, Bosnia was not "too dangerous" a place for President Clinton to visit in early 1996. In fact, the first Clinton to visit the Tuzla Air Force base was not Hillary, but Bill, on January 13, 1996.
Had Hillary Clinton's plane come "under sniper fire" in March 1996, we would certainly have heard about it long before now. Numerous reporters, including the Washington Post's John Pomfret, covered her trip. A review of nearly 100 news accounts of her visit shows that not a single newspaper or television station reported any security threat to the First Lady. "As a former AP wire service hack, I can safely say that it would have been in my lead had anything like that happened," said Pomfret.
According to Pomfret, the Tuzla airport was "one of the safest places in Bosnia" in March 1996, and "firmly under the control" of the 1st Armored Division.
Far from running to an airport building with their heads down, Clinton and her party were greeted on the tarmac by smiling U.S. and Bosnian officials. An eight-year-old Moslem girl, Emina Bicakcic, read a poem in English. An Associated Press photograph of the greeting ceremony, above, shows a smiling Clinton bending down to receive a kiss.
"There is peace now," Emina told Clinton, according to Pomfret's report in the Washington Post the following day, "because Mr. Clinton signed it. All this peace. I love it."
The First Lady's schedule, released on Wednesday and available here, confirms that she arrived in Tuzla at 8.45 a.m. and was greeted by various dignitaries, including Emina Bicakcic, (whose name has mysteriously been redacted from the document.)
You can see CBS News footage of the arrival ceremony here. The footage shows Clinton walking calmly out of the back of the C-17 military transport plane that brought her from Ramstein Air Force Base in Germany.
Among the U.S. officials on hand to greet Clinton at the airport was Maj. Gen. William Nash, the commander of U.S. troops in Bosnia. Nash told me that he was unaware of any security threat to Clinton during her eight-hour stay in Tuzla. He said, however, that Clinton had a "busy schedule" and may have got the impression that she was being hurried on her way. See clarification below.
According to Sinbad, who provided entertainment on the trip along with the singer Sheryl Crow, the "scariest" part was deciding where to eat. As he told Mary Ann Akers of The Post, "I think the only 'red-phone' moment was: 'Do we eat here or at the next place.'" Sinbad questioned the premise behind the Clinton version of events. "What kind of president would say 'Hey man, I can't go 'cause I might get shot so I'm going to send my wife. Oh, and take a guitar player and a comedian with you."
Replying to Sinbad earlier this week, Clinton dismissed him as "a comedian." Her campaign referred me to Togo West, who was also on the trip and is a staunch Hillary supporter. West could not remember "sniper fire" himself, but said there was no reason to doubt the First Lady's version of events. "Everybody's perceptions are different," he told me.
Clinton made no mention of "sniper fire" in her autobiography "Living History," published in 2003, although she did say there were "reports of snipers" in the hills around the airport.
UPDATE Friday 6:45 p.m.
Lissa Muscatine, who served as Hilary Clinton's chief speechwriter in 1996 and accompanied her on the Bosnia trip, feels that I have failed to provide a full picture of what took place. She gave me her "vivid recollections" of the arrival in Tuzla, which I quote below:
I was on the plane with then First Lady Hillary Clinton for the trip from Germany into Bosnia in 1996. We were put on a C17-- a plane capable of steep ascents and descents -- precisely because we were flying into what was considered a combat zone. We were issued flak jackets for the final leg because of possible sniper fire near Tuzla. As an additional precaution, the First Lady and Chelsea were moved to the armored cockpit for the descent into Tuzla. We were told that a welcoming ceremony on the tarmac might be canceled because of sniper fire in the hills surrounding the air strip. From Tuzla, Hillary flew to two outposts in Bosnia with gunships escorting her helicopter.
UPDATE Saturday 8:45 a.m.
Gen. Nash says that I misquoted him in saying he was unaware of any "security threat" to the First Lady. While he was unaware of any "sniper threat," he now tells me there were a couple of "security concerns" that day, which he found out about after returning to his headquarters after greeting Clinton at the airport. There was a "non-specific report" of a possible truck bomb in the area. The military also had information that "some of the communications associated with the First Lady's visit were being monitored."
"In both cases, we took appropriate security action," said Nash, adding that Clinton's visit was not disrupted.
Anybody else with first-hand memories of Clinton's Tuzla trip, please send them along.
The Pinocchio Test
Clinton's tale of landing at Tuzla airport "under sniper fire" and then running for cover is simply not credible. Photographs and video of the arrival ceremony, combined with contemporaneous news reports, tell a very different story.
Four Pinocchios.
Next thing we'll hear of her on a swift boat in Cambodia during Christmas watching for "Charlie" and doing secret - no, wait, DOUBLE-NAUGHT secret mission "stuff". If she told us, she'd have to kill herself. But, trust her: she HAS the experience to be CINC. :rolleyes:
The woman has NO shame. I'm waiting for her to roll out the black grandmother.
The woman has NO shame. I'm waiting for her to roll out the black grandmother.
And call her typical
JimP:
You need to post an intro HERE! (http://www.professionalsoldiers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17368)
Stay safe.
LMAO
"I remember landing under sniper fire. There was supposed to be some kind of a greeting ceremony at the airport, but instead we just ran with our heads down to get into the vehicles to get to our base."
--Hillary Clinton, speech at George Washington University, March 17, 2008.
An insult to my gender, IMO! She is completly with out any dignity, or shame. :mad:
(and we could all go on and on about her lack of intelligence!)
Holly
Hillary's Balkan Adventures, Part II
"I remember landing under sniper fire. There was supposed to be some kind of a greeting ceremony at the airport, but instead we just ran with our heads down to get into the vehicles to get to our base."
--Hillary Clinton, speech at George Washington University, March 17, 2008.You'll know when a "SNIPER" fires a round...
"Hopefully that bastard is aimimg at someone else!":munchin
Stay safe.
Funny, I was in FLTCE from Jan - Mar 96 learning Serbo-Croat and prepping to go in country with my team and don't recall any incidents or perceived threats.... ha, ha.....
I was in country from Apr till Aug 06 and tried to avoid Tuzla and MND-North at all costs... with good reason too.. In a month time period Tuzla Main had 43 Accidental Discharges (to include 2 TOW missiles).... maybe that's the "sniper fire" Hillary is refering to.
I remember Bill coming to Tuzla in 1997/1998 and all the troops having the bolts for their rifles taken away by the Secret Service and locked up. Troops standing with their rifles shotguned over their shoulders while Bill reviewed the Troops. That was the biggest insult ever given to the US Military. Though on a side note, our guys were providing outer cordon support and not part of the dog and pony show.
Hell, Sarajevo was the "hot" place to be with Sniper Alley and the rest of the clowns shooting down at the airfield.
Looks like we just found and exposed another "wannabee"
Team Sergeant
03-24-2008, 14:32
I doubt the that witch was ever in any danger. My guess would be everyone was running with their head down so no one saw them with her.;)
I was on the State Department detail guarding the American Ambassador to Kuwait during Desert Storm. We were headed to see the Crown Prince, we arrive, everything normal, we get the Ambassador into the Crown Princes residence and a minute later "Bang Bang Bang" a quick three round burst only a few hundred feet away, it was a Kuwaiti accidental discharge, cept it was an M-60MG...:rolleyes:
Team Sergeant
03-24-2008, 15:34
If I said that it would be a "lie". If the witch says it she "mis-spoke".
What a liar and a fraud.......
Clinton Campaign Says She ‘Misspoke,’ Did Not Land ‘Under Sniper Fire’
by FOXNews.com
Monday, March 24, 2008
Hillary Clinton’s campaign backed off Monday from a disputed campaign claim, saying Clinton “misspoke” when she said she landed “under sniper fire” during a 1996 trip to war-torn Yugoslavia.
There were reports of snipers in nearby hills, but no known shots were taken at the landing craft or tarmac in Tuzla, Clinton campaign spokesman Howard Wolfson told reporters on a conference call.
“The facts are clear from contemporaneous news accounts that she was entering a potentially dangerous situation, and she has written about this before, she has talked about this before and there you have it,” Wolfson said in a conference call.
“Now, it is possible in the most recent instance in which she discussed this that she misspoke with regard to, you know, the exit from the plane,” he continued.
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/03/24/clinton-campaign-says-she-misspoke-did-not-land-under-sniper-fire/
What a drama momma. :rolleyes:
tom kelly
03-24-2008, 18:29
The ultra liberal left politicans are according to them mis-quoted or according to their spokesperson "mis-speak" when caught in an outright LIE. They are all without shame, guilt or remorse about anything they do or say...tom kelly
Ret10Echo
03-24-2008, 19:10
Funny, I was in FLTCE from Jan - Mar 96 learning Serbo-Croat and prepping to go in country with my team and don't recall any incidents or perceived threats.... ha, ha.....
I was in country from Apr till Aug 06 and tried to avoid Tuzla and MND-North at all costs... with good reason too.. In a month time period Tuzla Main had 43 Accidental Discharges (to include 2 TOW missiles).... maybe that's the "sniper fire" Hillary is refering to.
I remember Bill coming to Tuzla in 1997/1998 and all the troops having the bolts for their rifles taken away by the Secret Service and locked up. Troops standing with their rifles shotguned over their shoulders while Bill reviewed the Troops. That was the biggest insult ever given to the US Military. Though on a side note, our guys were providing outer cordon support and not part of the dog and pony show.
Hell, Sarajevo was the "hot" place to be with Sniper Alley and the rest of the clowns shooting down at the airfield.
Looks like we just found and exposed another "wannabee"
Well Stras, you know that the high mountains surrounding Tuzla made a great place for the snipers to hang out....Bosnian boogie-man.....:cool:
Herb-the-Serb souping up his manifesto...
I'm thinking of a word that rhymes with Hunt but starts with C..........that is what I think of this model sociopath.
Never suprises me that politicos and their operatives (for lack of a better term) are able to effectively snuff these stories and pretend that it didn't happen. Sheeple everywhere will just turn and forget.
3SoldierDad
03-24-2008, 21:04
You think to yourself - "Wow, how will she ever recover from this? No way she'll bounce-back" And, yet she does. It's just incredible. Don't bold face lies matter anymore? Are we that lost America? Are we?
I remember when Bill Clinton whining, as he wagged his finger in America's face and said, "I had no sexual relationship with that woman, Miss Lewinski." Lying like only a sociopathic liar can. I remember the week that this was all going on that 70% of the country believed Clinton was lying. A bit later the blue dress taught all of us that he was lying. Okay, so 70% of the folks thought their President was lying (before the evidence came out), they could see through the slime-ball. So, what do you think his favorability polls were saying at that time? One would think it couldn't be higher than 30% since 70% thought he was a liar. What do you think? His favorability was near 75%. That means at least half of America was supportive of a guy that they believed was lying right to their faces. That's when I got a cold chill down my spine as I realized that America was growing sick.
You know why they lie? It is because they can. And, more importantly many Americans love the lies - they really like the lies - they lie to themselves and they dig it when others lie to them. Sick as it may sound they simply like it - it tickles their fancy. Like that ol' Fleetwood Mac song says - "Tell me sweet lies..."
It is horribly true - Her lies will probably not make one iota of difference...
She'll recover...
Three Soldier Dad...Chuck
NousDefionsDoc
03-24-2008, 21:11
Lying bitch.
You think to yourself - "Wow, how will she ever recover from this? No way she'll bounce-back" And, yet she does. It's just incredible. Don't bold face lies matter anymore? Are we that lost America? Are we?
I remember when Bill Clinton whining, as he wagged his finger in America's face and said, "I had no sexual relationship with that woman, Miss Lewinski." Lying like only a sociopathic liar can. I remember the week that this was all going on that 70% of the country believed Clinton was lying. A bit later the blue dress taught all of us that he was lying. Okay, so 70% of the folks thought their President was lying (before the evidence came out), they could see through the slime-ball. So, what do you think his favorability polls were saying at that time? One would think it couldn't be higher than 30% since 70% thought he was a liar. What do you think? His favorability was near 75%. That means at least half of America was supportive of a guy that they believed was lying right to their faces. That's when I got a cold chill down my spine as I realized that America was growing sick.
You know why they lie? I think it is because they can. And, second many Americans like the lies - they really like the lies - they lie to themselves and they are the most comfortable when others will lie to them, too. Sick as it may sound they simply like it. Like that ol' Fleetwood Mac song says - "tell me sweet lies..."
It is horribly true - Her lies will probably not make one iota of difference...
Thee Soldier Dad...Chuck
Chuck,
A lot of it also stems from the fact, that people just ignore the law(s).
#7 and #9 where tailor made for 'ol Bill and Hill.
WhiskeyBoarder
03-24-2008, 22:40
While I prefer to lurk rather than post, this issue got me thinking and I would greatly appreciate your insight / reaction to my line of thinking.
Since the Stolen Valor Act of 2005 made falsifying military accolades more easily and stringently punished, shouldn't there be a similar law prohibiting individuals from falsifying acts of valor in their attempt to become Commander in Chief?!?
Senator Clinton’s lie here is absurd. And, as an individual whose life has been affected poignantly by very real sniper fire (as opposed to the type fabricated by Clinton for dramatic effect), I find this particular case of “misspeaking” to be of the most stomach-turning and angering variety. :( :mad:
So the next time a girl calls me a lying sack of shi#$ I can tell her I just Misspoke and all is OK?
Or should I call it a "misstatement" and a "minor blip." like she did
:munchin
You think to yourself - "Wow, how will she ever recover from this? No way she'll bounce-back" And, yet she does. It's just incredible. Don't bold face lies matter anymore? Are we that lost America? Are we?
Someone could leak video of Her torturing puppies and her Supporters wouldn't blink an eye.
3SoldierDad
03-25-2008, 05:01
While I prefer to lurk rather than post, this issue got me thinking and I would greatly appreciate your insight / reaction to my line of thinking.
Since the Stolen Valor Act of 2005 made falsifying military accolades more easily and stringently punished, shouldn't there be a similar law prohibiting individuals from falsifying acts of valor in their attempt to become Commander in Chief?!?
Senator Clinton’s lie here is absurd. And, as an individual whose life has been affected poignantly by very real sniper fire (as opposed to the type fabricated by Clinton for dramatic effect), I find this particular case of “misspeaking” to be of the most stomach-turning and angering variety. :( :mad:
The poser makes me ill.
You, sir, and folks like you should I think take particular offense. The military community among all others should feel a real pinch of outrage. Our freedom is constantly secured by folks genuinely going into harm's way. Clinton's attempt to pass herself off as some war zone hero is simply loathsome.
If you listen to the full tape on her brag-fest on dodging snipers; you'll hear Clinton say they would send the First Lady to places that were "too dangerous" for the President. She's saying that not only does she have the experience to be President, but as First Lady she actually was facing down bigger dangers. Totally ridiculous - Does she take us for complete idiots?
This woman as our Commander and Chief? What an awful joke.
People should not let her forget this lie. Veterans should ask her about this constantly - simply to express their outrage and let her twist in the wind - Let the world see a liar's face. This is the same woman that didn't want uniformed soldiers in the Whitehouse! People who support her are even worse. They are willing to have a liar lead them. We all have been subject to lliars and their lies, but to support a liar in his or her quest to lead us is simply among the lowest imaginable acts.
This woman is a liar of the worse kind.
Shouldn't there be a similar law prohibiting individuals from falsifying acts of valor in their attempt to become Commander in Chief?!?
Your point is a good one.
Three Soldier Dad...Chuck
I remember Bill coming to Tuzla in 1997/1998 and all the troops having the bolts for their rifles taken away by the Secret Service and locked up. Troops standing with their rifles shotguned over their shoulders while Bill reviewed the Troops.
This, to me, says more than any speech or video.
bandycpa
03-25-2008, 11:43
I heard one of the political pundits say that Hillary "misremembered".
"Misremembered?"
That's the cool thing about politics. When in trouble, create a word that makes what you did sound excusable (like a condition rather than a character flaw).
Remember when Bill said he "misled" people? I see a trend here...
Bandy
This, to me, says more than any speech or video.It happened in Haiti when Gore came to visit also.
Stay safe.
"misremembered".
Bandy
You don't "misremember" being shot at; The Team Sergeant will get me for repeating the obvious but I can't help myself...she's a lying bitch!!!!
Team Sergeant
03-25-2008, 20:25
Someone could leak video of Her torturing puppies and her Supporters wouldn't blink an eye.
I've no doubt this is currently the case. Sort of reminds me of ted kennedy and the Chappaquiddick incident.
Mary Jo Kopechne, you will not be forgotten.
GratefulCitizen
03-25-2008, 22:13
hillary misspoke.
Meanwhile, bill misspoke about his mis-poke with little Miss Poke.
My brother wrote this to me earlier this evening and thought it was too good not to be shared...
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/03/25/campaign.wrap/index.html
"I say a lot of things -- millions of words a day -- so if I misspoke, that was
just a misstatement," she said.
So she says "millions of words a day"? Hmm, let's see... that was plural, so that's
a minimum of 2 million words per day. Even if she talked non-stop around the clock (imagine that nightmare) that would be over 23 words per second. Quite a pace, even for a someone as full of hot air as she is.
And think of the ecological ramifications of all that C02 being expelled. What is
the carbon footprint of her mouth at "millions of words a day"?
Ret10Echo
03-26-2008, 06:21
I'm certain she has bought carbon credits from Al Gore to make up for the CO2 discharge...but then again A.G. is an O2 thief.
82ndtrooper
03-26-2008, 06:26
I heard one of the political pundits say that Hillary "misremembered".
"Misremembered?"
That's the cool thing about politics. When in trouble, create a word that makes what you did sound excusable (like a condition rather than a character flaw).
Remember when Bill said he "misled" people? I see a trend here...
Bandy
When I jumped into Panama I had to pull hard on the risers to avoid the sporatic gunfire from PDF troops that where on the terminal buildings roof. We had to low crawl with all our gear 100 meters across Toccumen airstrip because PDF patrols where on foot trying to find us. We finally made it to the terminal building where I personally had tea with Noriega and he agreed to give up and be taken into custody and transported back to the U.S. to face trial.
Oh, sorry, I "misremembered" I jumped into Panama in 1985 for JOTC training, during the day with 150 other 82nd jumpers. Geee, it's been a long week, and I speak like millions of words a day. :rolleyes:
If that statememt above where to have been an actual statement, TS would have me banned and the FBI would be knocking on the door.
Yet, millions of U.S. citizens are still praying for a Hillary nomination. It never ceases to amaze me. :mad:
TennesseeVol
03-26-2008, 14:14
Gents,
I give you proof she isn't the lying jezebel you all believe her to be. Hardy har har.
Behold:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHVEDq6RVXc&eurl=http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/3/26/121420/881/486/484625
If that beheamoth link does not work, try this one:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/3/26/121420/881/486/484625
Cheers
3SoldierDad
03-26-2008, 16:23
NOW BUNKO HILL IS UNDER FIRE
INSULTED MILITARY BLASTS HER SERIAL 'SNIPER' LIES
By GEOFF EARLE and CHARLES HURT, NY Post Correspondents
March 26, 2008
The prolonged battle between Obama and Clinton for the nomination boosts McCain's White House chances.
WASHINGTON - Hillary Rodham Clinton's lies about risking her life under sniper fire during a visit to Bosnia as first lady have infuriated the US military brass and troops. "She has no sense of what a statement like that does to soldiers," fumed retired Maj. Gen. Walter Stewart, the former head of the Pennsylvania National Guard.
"She is insulting the command in its entirety," he said yesterday. Clinton came under fire after saying she "misspoke" about what happened during the trip and claimed it was the first time she erred in describing her visit - an assertion Barack Obama's campaign quickly disproved by finding at least three prior occasions over the last few months where she's claimed there was sniper fire.
Stewart, who was assigned to the Army's European headquarters at the time of Clinton's visit in 1996, called her statements "really astonishing."
"Believe me, heads would have rolled all over" if the military put the then-first lady at "unacceptable risk," added Stewart, who is supporting Barack Obama. Air Force Lt. Gen. Buster Glosson, a John McCain supporter who ran the air attack in the first Gulf War, said, "It bothers me any time anyone running for the highest office in the land fabricates a story.
"That should bother any American, whether you're military or nonmilitary." Another source, a former Army analyst who was stationed abroad when dignitaries visited, said, "You know, we have soldiers overseas now who are getting shot at by real bullets from real enemies who really want to kill them. "Getting shot at by snipers is not something you forget - or make light of," he added.
Posted by Three Soldier Dad...Chuck
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Lying bitch.
But then her response to the lie.." I made a mistake....so what"
Now thats just being a self righteous Bitch.
You guys all know Obama MADE her say that, right? :rolleyes:
It amazes me, to no end, that any politician can say something like this, get caught, and still be in the running. It amazes me...
I have heard Bush "mis-speak" plenty of times over the course of his Presidency. Usually tripping over a word, or omitting a word, or mixing a word up. Happens all the time. I do it all the time.
This bitch didn't "mis-speak."
She lied.
BIG difference.
Team Sergeant
03-27-2008, 09:16
You guys all know Obama MADE her say that, right? :rolleyes:
It amazes me, to no end, that any politician can say something like this, get caught, and still be in the running. It amazes me...
You already forgot the last "Dim" presidential candidate?
john kerry, liar, fraud, kennedy wannabe, almost elected president of the United States.......
How much more of a liar can a "Dim" be before he or she is elected president?
How much more of a liar can a "Dim" be before he or she is elected president?If Obama gets elected! I'm SCREWED!:eek:
Stay safe.
Doesn't say much about our Nation, as a whole, does it...? This is me, during the election: :munchin and watching predator, over, and over, and over... Since there is no "None of the above" block on the ballot... What's the point?
Ret10Echo
03-27-2008, 10:31
Doesn't say much about our Nation, as a whole, does it...? This is me, during the election: :munchin and watching predator, over, and over, and over... Since there is no "None of the above" block on the ballot... What's the point?
None of the above....wonder if they could just not fill the position for a while...:rolleyes:
"The position of President of the United States and Commander and Chief of the Armed Forces will be held in abeyance until such time as a qualified candidate for the position is located. The Acting POTUS for administrative purposes will be ......"
3SoldierDad
03-27-2008, 10:47
If Obama gets elected! I'm SCREWED!:eek:
Stay safe.
We all are...
Same with Hillary. They're both terrible. They both have this in common - The Gov't can solve all problems - any problems. Big Brother is the answer for everything. Gov't solves our school problems, our banking problems, our healthcare problems, our environmental problems, our economic problems, our communities' problems, our racial problems...and...and...and...ad infinitum. To win among the Democrats you MUST be comfortable with lies and half-truths or you don't stand a chance. The Republicans aren't much better, but they are better. On second thought, when compared to the Dems they're a lot better.
The French philosopher DeTocqueville said America's Democracy would truly be in danger when the citizens resorted to voting themselves all the goodies from the national treasury - The people controlling the purse is Democracy's fatal conceit. It will probably kill us. What's scary is that we're getting close to that reality today - I'm not sure if the current system is sustainable for another 20 years like this. We're going to spend ourselves into the poor house. The democrats seem to be on a mission to kill us both morally and fiscally.
Liars and fools.
Three Soldeir Dad...Chuck
The Reaper
03-27-2008, 11:05
None of the above....wonder if they could just not fill the position for a while...:rolleyes:
"The position of President of the United States and Commander and Chief of the Armed Forces will be held in abeyance until such time as a qualified candidate for the position is located. The Acting POTUS for administrative purposes will be ......"
Already is a provision for that.
Do you want Harry Reid or Nancy Pelosi in charge?
TR
Ret10Echo
03-27-2008, 11:12
Already is a provision for that.
Do you want Harry Reid or Nancy Pelosi in charge?
TR
:eek:
How much more of a liar can a "Dim" be before he or she is elected president?
Since democrats are not held accountable for what they say or lie about the skies the limit. And if you call them out on it you’re either a racist or chauvinist.
Perhaps if enough people did a write in vote for "none of the above"?
We need a leader that is a good mix of:
1. John Wayne
2. Ronald Reagan
3. Clint Eastwood
4. Lee Marvin
5. Aude Murphy
6. Chuck Norris
7. Charles Bronson
8. Robin Williams (a president gotta have a senseof humor)
Any ideas?
I'd vote for anyone that came close to any of the above. Who picks these canidates, anyway?
"The position of President of the United States and Commander and Chief of the Armed Forces
Sir...this is what is really frightening, and Oh My God help us.
Any ideas?
How about Team Sergeant, The Reaper, NDD, etc...
An SF Soldier for President!...And the world would be a safer place, IMHO.:munchin
Holly
Team Sergeant
03-28-2008, 09:36
The Moral Side of War: Hillary, Bosnia’s Last Casualty
March 28th, 2008 by Richard F. Miller
He that shall live this day, and see old age,Will yearly on the vigil feast his neighbours,And say ‘To-morrow is Saint Crispian:’Then will he strip his sleeve and show his scars.And say ‘These wounds I had on Crispin’s day.’Old men forget: yet all shall be forgot,But he’ll remember with advantagesWhat feats he did that day:
—Henry V, William Shakespeare
As the above suggests, society has always been somewhat tolerant in permitting certain persons to embellish war stories–as long as they were veterans, bore arms honorably, and were actually present at the engagement. After all, few care if a soldier who actually fought his way out of the Bastogne exaggerates the number of enemy he may have killed, the cold temperatures, or the men whose lives he may have saved. And most readers of Henry V believe that the words, “he’ll remember with advantages/What feats he did that day” specifically refer to a right to embellish. Perhaps it’s something that one earns by simply having been there and survived. And actually being a veteran is the only thing that makes such talk acceptable, if not entirely respectable. I’ve known a number of combat journalists, and outside of their reporting, few will personally discuss their own experiences, let alone add to it in some way to pretend to valor. Such folks have seen the real McCoy and wouldn’t think of, to paraphrase a recent author on the subject, “stealing valor.”
However, war fakers seem to come in two varieties: there are younger people wearing ragged, current issue uniforms whose MOS now includes Winter Soldiering (and turn out to have been either Fobbitts or in drug rehab without having served a day.) And then there are the politicians. Before the internet, there were arguably more such pols, because determining whether somebody served as a Navy SEAL or in the army of the Student Deferred was so much harder than now. Today, a pol is only an internet key stroke away from having his or her career wrecked.
But Hillary, Hero of Tuzla, has given us something new: she never claimed to have served a day in uniform but there she was on a Bosnian tarmac, ducking sniper fire with Chelsea. You see Bill had to make tough calls as commander-in-chief. And in war, somebody is always expendable. (Hey, FDR did the same thing during WWII: when Colonel Carlson’s Second Marine Raider Battalion was ordered to raid Makin Island, the president’s son Jimmy, never physically well, went ashore nonetheless. Well, I think it’s the same thing, isn’t it?)
Meanwhile, in an irony that could stand for just how morally corrupt our political leadership has become, when General Petreaus testified before Hillary last fall, she questioned his credibility.
Some might call it pure, unmitigated chutzpah.
But I’m much more forgiving. I figure that last week, Hillary was just suffering from PTSD.
http://talkradionews.com/2008/03/the-moral-side-of-war-the-last-casualty-of-bosnia/
Team Sergeant
03-28-2008, 09:41
Take a peek at the incredible world according to Hillary
By KEVIN MYERS
Friday March 28 2008
Welcome to Good Morning Ireland, and it's hard to keep up with Hillary Clinton's many escapades, not to speak of the curious amnesia which assails other people when they try to remember them.
Only the other week she was telling us about how she had brought Northern Ireland's women's groups -- who, she said, had never met before -- into groundbreaking talks. But the women concerned said they'd been talking amiably for years.
Mrs Clinton now alleges that when she arrived to bring peace to Bosnia, she had to run for cover from intense sniper fire as she left her plane. But the actual news footage of her arrival shows her being greeted warmly by a girl with flowers.
Fortunately, for the second time in a fortnight, we have Hillary Clinton with us here in the studio. How do you explain that discrepancy?
"BOCGI: Barak Obama Computer Generated Imagery! I took a bullet in the shoulder that day, and never said a word. It was the same foot I got shot in when I was flying the last helicopter off the embassy roof in Saigon. Bill was my door- gunner, with a teenage Vietnamese girl in each pocket. The moment we landed, he thoughtfully took them off to give them a bath, while I tended to the bullet wound in my calf. Still troubles me when it's damp, right here in my hip."
Sorry, I thought your husband was a draft-dodger.
"Yeah, that's right, Bill was raft-logging in a timber-camp in Montana right up until he volunteered for the Green Berets. That's how we first met, on a deep penetration raid into North Vietnam. We didn't meet up again until after I'd got back from leading the rescue mission at Entebbe. My, that was close. I got shot in my thigh again. Must be a magnet there.
"Then we married, and I got pregnant with my darling little Fulham. So I had to leave the Navy SEALS."
But you were always active in Bill's career, isn't that right?
"It sure is. After I rescued the hostages in Teheran, I was able to dedicate myself full-time to Bill's public life -- when I wasn't minding little Arsenal, that is. The apple of my eye."
I'm sure she is.
When is her birthday?
"What a question. Crystal Palace's birthday falls on the anniversary of the day she was born, every year, without fail. But only once a year -- usually on some day between a Sunday and a Saturday. It varies, you know, from year to year.
"When I was astronomer general, I tried to fix it so that Millwall's birthday would always fall on a Monday -- but I came up against that same right-wing Republican opposition that later torpedoed my healthcare program. Sorry, you say programme over here, don't you? When in Rome, ha ha ha."
And then Bill was elected to the White House. "I beg your pardon: we were elected to the White House. We were and are very much a team. True, Tottenham Hotspur was still young, and could only give so much time to running the State Department. I got the Pentagon, naturally, after my defeat of the Soviets in Afghanistan. So I was finally able to modernise our armed forces. Remember -- this was my field: I'd started Microsoft with Bill Gates. And what a sweet guy he is: whenever he has a problem, he still calls me. That's the kind of person I am."
How did you feel about the Monica Lewinsky affair?
"I felt guilty! It was my fault! I shouldn't have become the first woman to pilot the space-shuttle! I took too much time away from Bill and from West Ham United! They needed me! I wasn't there for them! I'll never forgive myself!"
Then you were elected to the Senate.
"Well, with the White House behind us, and little Queens Park Rangers grown up and at college, I had to do something. I'd climbed Everest, discovered the wreck of the Titanic, and started Google Inc. It was the golden chance to think about myself for a change: finally, to have a bit of me-time."
How did your family feel about that?
"Totally supportive. Bill found a dozen young women interns to help me out, from a little locked office he used to share with them and some bottles of mouthwash. And Charlton Athletic was immense. I'll never forget her."
If you are elected, who will your vice president be?
"My beloved Leyton Orient, of course. What are you doing?"
Gaaaaarrrgh. Getting sick.
- KEVIN MYERS
http://www.independent.ie/opinion/analysis/take-a-peek-at-the-incredible--world-according-to-hillary-1329171.html
Ret10Echo
03-28-2008, 09:57
Take a peek at the incredible world according to Hillary
By KEVIN MYERS
Friday March 28 2008
Welcome to Good Morning Ireland, and it's hard to keep up with Hillary Clinton's many escapades, not to speak of the curious amnesia which assails other people when they try to remember them.
http://www.independent.ie/opinion/analysis/take-a-peek-at-the-incredible--world-according-to-hillary-1329171.html
Has he been hanging out with Al Gore???
This statement was made to the press.
"Clinton spokesman Jay Carson dismisses questions about her credibility. "She made a mistake recounting a trip she made as first lady to what was in fact a war zone,'' he said, referring to Bosnia. "Voters don't ask for perfection, they just want to know that you are working hard for them"
Perfection! I just want someone with integrity, she’s already proven that she will stoop at nothing to get elected. What is wrong with these democrats that are still supporting her?
Team Sergeant
03-28-2008, 10:29
Breaking news, bill clinton replies to hillary’s "Running Under Sniper fire" claims:
In a very short interview with bill (Slick Willy) Clinton when asked what he thought of his wifes claims:
"I remember landing under sniper fire. There was supposed to be some kind of a greeting ceremony at the airport, but instead we just ran with our heads down to get into the vehicles to get to our base."
Slick Willy’s reply:
"I Wish."
Slick Willy's second reply...
"For the record... Could you give me the definition of the word "run" please?"
:confused:
"I did not have sexual relations with that woman... I had them with her dress."
And she was in the US sector totally protected by the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.... oops, I'm sorry the Regular US Army guys wearing full battle rattle.. fondly referred as the TMNJ by the local kids....
Not like she was in the French sector where we really had to watch our backs.... and fronts when that damn French Armored Car attacked our 3 vehicle convoy.... I thought that we had been ambushed... and we were, just not by the enemy but rather by the collaborators....
Hey, if Hillary and Obama both drop out of the race, will the Dem's bring back John Kerry to save the party?? :D
when that damn French Armored Car attacked our 3 vehicle convoy....
That's what happens when you get in their way when they are trying to surrender... :D
Sorry... I can't resist a good French joke.
Guys,
The latest term being bantered around is that HRC is--like JF Kerry--being "swiftboated" over her recollections of her grand Balkans adventure. The dilemma here is that swiftboating is a term formerly used by Dems in an attempt to counter the anti-JFK crowd in the last national elections and, although their view was that it was a term for an attack on their man's character through innuendo and half-truths, it turned out to be true and sank JFK's campaign. HRC has now run into the same problem with the being under sniper fire statement...but a book isn't necessary here...it just takes a couple of minutes to watch this footage of her and Chelsea reacting to sniper fire.
http://www.townhall.com/video/News/918282
After watching this video, I have to assume they were under fire from those damn Chinese sniper stealth rounds they were selling Sadam Hussein...until he realized they had absolutely no affect on Occidentals and he went back to trading with the French! :D
Richard's $.02 :munchin
Team Sergeant
03-29-2008, 07:49
Guys,
The latest term being bantered around is that HRC is--like JF Kerry--being "swiftboated" over her recollections of her grand Balkans adventure. The dilemma here is that swiftboating is a term formerly used by Dems in an attempt to counter the anti-JFK crowd in the last national elections and, although their view was that it was a term for an attack on their man's character through innuendo and half-truths, it turned out to be true and sank JFK's campaign. HRC has now run into the same problem with the being under sniper fire statement...but a book isn't necessary here...it just takes a couple of minutes to watch this footage of her and Chelsea reacting to sniper fire.
http://www.townhall.com/video/News/918282
After watching this video, I have to assume they were under fire from those damn Chinese sniper stealth rounds they were selling Sadam Hussein...until he realized they had absolutely no affect on Occidentals and he went back to trading with the French! :D
Richard's $.02 :munchin
In my opinion she sure as hell is not being "swiftboated", she's having her ass handed to her for f***ing lying by pissed off veterans.
So the democrats are now going to use the term swiftboated everytime the members of the United States military are pissed off at them for lying?
As NDD already stated, what a lying bitch. But then again being a liar seems to run deep in the clinton family....:mad:
In my opinion she sure as hell is not being "swiftboated"
Top,
I disagree. She is being swiftboated in that her "word of honor"--just like JF Kerry's--is being sunk by the fallacy of her own wannabe "hero" stories. I'm only surprised that she hasn't yet arranged for someone in the DNC to give her some kind of award for her self-reported valorous act. I'm sure America's "first black President" was working on that one until she got caught with her hand in the political cookie jar of "mistatements." :rolleyes:
Richard :munchin
Ret10Echo
04-01-2008, 10:40
On the up-side they need to keep the discord going. Much like a skier who catches an edge then struggles to avoid the yard sale, only to make matters much worse than they would have been....:D
Democrat Pelosi urges end to race
Nancy Pelosi, the speaker of the US House of Representatives, has urged a swift end to the Democrats' contest to nominate a presidential candidate.
Mrs Pelosi, a senior Democrat, told ABC News it was important to get behind one candidate if the party expected to win the White House in November.
A number of supporters of Barack Obama have been calling for his rival Hillary Clinton to concede the race.
Mrs Pelosi did not say which candidate she preferred.
'Financial trouble'
Her comments come after those made by the Democratic Party's national chairman, Howard Dean, who said that he would like to see the race concluded by 1 July.
New York senator and former first lady Hillary Clinton has rejected calls by Obama supporters to abandon her campaign for the Democratic presidential nomination.
She is trailing the Illinois senator in the number of delegates needed to obtain the nomination.
DEMOCRATIC DELEGATE RACE
BARACK OBAMA: 1,631
States won: 25
HILLARY CLINTON: 1,501
States won: 16
Delegates needed to secure nomination: 2,024.
Source: Associated Press, as of 1 April
But the latest opinion polls suggest that she is leading Mr Obama by more than 10 points in the next major primary election in Pennsylvania on 22 April.
Mr Obama has distanced himself from calls for Mrs Clinton to concede the race, saying she should be able to compete as long as she is able and has supporters.
It is being reported, however, that her campaign is in financial trouble again with several million dollars of unpaid bills.
Mrs Clinton loaned her campaign $5m from her personal fortune ahead of the "Super Tuesday" primaries on 5 February.
Mr Obama currently leads by 1,631 delegates to the national party convention in August to Mrs Clinton's 1,501.
To secure the nomination, the winner must secure 2,024 delegates - which correspondents say neither candidate will be able to do on the basis of delegates won in the remaining primary elections alone.
If Mrs Clinton manages to win a larger share of the national popular vote, it is thought that she may secure the backing of the so-called super-delegates who could tip the balance.
Analysts say a bitter, drawn-out fight between the two contenders, going right up to the Democratic convention in August, could damage the eventual nominee's chances of beating their Republican rival, John McCain.
Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/americas/7323776.stm
She compared herself to Rocky Balboa who is a fictional character and since 99% of what comes out of her mouth is fictional she finely said something that was not a lie. :munchin
HRC talks about her sniper lies last night on Jay Leno. Talk about political waffling and willful deceit at its finest.
http://gawker.com/5005042/hillary-cant-quite-sell-sniper-joke
Richard :munchin
Ret10Echo
04-04-2008, 07:01
An issue that bugs me (to no end) and lumps most politicos into the same dung heap:
If I recount something that never happened...or GREATLY embelish a story to make myself look better.....I am a liar.
If I make promises that I have absolutely no intention of keeping or know are absolutely unrealistic....Am I a liar???
Mean what you say, say what you mean....
Simply let your 'Yes' be 'Yes' and your 'No' be 'No' anything beyond this comes from the evil one.
Mathew 5:37...NIV
President and Poser both start with a "P"
consider the fact that "H" is the first letter in Hillary as well as "Holy shit this lady has got big balls.
...someone mentioned earlier in this thread, you could roll out a picture of her torturing puppies and people would still support her.
Its because by the time the pictures hit the internet the Klinton media machine would ave aleady explained how the puppies were actually previous torture victims of George Dubya, and Hillary was "unbeating" them to save them from the evil right wing conspiracy that is trying to punish cute little puppies. The photographer obviously "mis-shot" the photo causing it to appear as though she was beating the puppies and not unbeating them.
She would then go on Jay Leno and remind people that kittens are cute and that unbeating millions of oppressed puppies a day to save them from the right wing conspiracy nuts sometimes results in mis-shot photos.
If I was in Hillary position...I'd pull out of the race to mitigate/minimize the damage for a possible "future" run @ POTUS....:munchin
Stay safe.
Anyone think if Obama loses the election or nomination, that he will run again in the future?He's going too lose....:munchin
Stay safe.
Ret10Echo
04-07-2008, 06:55
Great googley-moogley...she has higher turnover than the McDonald's drive-through staff...
Penn out as Clinton senior strategist By BETH FOUHY, Associated Press Writer
1 hour, 32 minutes ago
Hillary Rodham Clinton is turning to her communications chief and pollster to plan her presidential election strategy after giving the boot to a polarizing top aide because of his work on behalf of a trade agreement Clinton opposes.
Mark Penn, a lightning rod for controversy throughout Clinton's presidential campaign, left the campaign Sunday after it was disclosed he had met with representatives of the Colombian government to help promote the trade agreement.
Communications director Howard Wolfson and pollster Geoff Garin will direct the campaign's message and strategic efforts for the campaign going forward, said campaign manager Maggie Williams. She said Penn will continue "to provide polling and advice to the campaign."
Penn's departure comes as Clinton, considered the front-runner for the Democratic nomination last year, trails Barack Obama in delegates and the popular vote with a must-win primary in Pennsylvania April 22 and nine other contests remaining. Clinton almost certainly will end the primary season narrowly behind Obama in the popular vote and pledged delegates unless the nullified primaries in Florida and Michigan are counted — a scenario that seems remote. Her challenge will be to persuade some 800 superdelegates to back her despite the numbers.
Democratic strategist Chris Kofinis, who had been a spokesman in John Edwards' campaign, said Penn's departure was needed.
"The worst kept secret in the whole Democratic race was that Penn's campaign strategy was not working and that the Clinton campaign has unfortunately paid the price," Kofinis said. "The truth is this the best move the Clinton campaign could have made and something that I imagine most Clinton supporters wished had happened months ago."
The Wall Street Journal reported Friday that Penn, who serves as chief executive of public relations giant Burson-Marsteller, met with Colombian officials March 31 to help craft strategy to move the Colombian free trade agreement through Congress. Clinton opposes such a deal, and Penn later issued a statement apologizing for the meeting, calling it an "error in judgment."
But the apology evidently wasn't sufficient. Aides said both Hillary and Bill Clinton were angry upon hearing of the meeting and that Penn was quickly pushed to leave.
Penn was known to get into angry shouting matches with other members of Clinton's team, including longtime adviser Harold Ickes and media strategist Mandy Grunwald, who often disagreed with his strategic advice and resented his unchecked authority to design the candidate's message.
Penn pushed Clinton to adopt a meat-and-potatoes, issue-based campaign that stressed her "strength and experience" but managed to overlook voters' desire for fundamental political change, which rival Obama was able to capture.
According to Justice Department filings, Colombia agreed last year to pay Burson-Marsteller $300,000 to help "educate members of the U.S. Congress and other audiences" about the trade deal and secure continued U.S. funding for the $5 billion anti-narcotics program Plan Colombia.
The Colombian government announced Saturday it had fired Burson-Marsteller after Penn apologized for meeting with its representatives, saying his statement conveyed a "lack of respect" for the country.
82ndtrooper
04-08-2008, 07:02
He's going too lose....:munchin
Stay safe.
Yep.
It's my contention and I believe the conventional wisdom that she is going to force feed her own nomination down the throats of the democratic party with pulling the "super delegate" card out of her sleeve. :rolleyes:
What happens then ? Only two scenarios. One, the Obama supporters jump ship and vote a McCain ticket and he wins by a landslide. History will write that she was the one single factor that determined the democrats fate for yet another 4-8 years. She will only garner more "Clinton hate"
Two, she actually narrowly defeats the McCain ticket in Florida and Ohio, the independent vote goes to some schlep that enters the race between now and November, to win the election. The results are obvious. We will live in a tyranny government and it will look suspiciously like the day's of the Bill Clinton bafoonery.
Hold on to your seats sports fan.