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3SoldierDad
03-13-2008, 21:32
Obama says he’s been around Reverend Jeremiah Wright’s church for 20 years....And, a member since 1991
Reverend Wright’s church http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4WMqlfiQKo
When folks were accusing Obama of being a former Muslim he came out hard that he was a Christian and that he has been a “member of the same church since 1991." Reverend Jeremiah Wright’s church...
How could Obama possibily be a member of Reverend Wright’s church and not know and approve (or at least tolerate) his views. Impossible, totally impossible - I don't care how good a talker he is - Obama is either a closet racist and/or extremely stupid.
How can Obama now distance himself form this guy Wright when he was regularly sitting at the man’s feet, under his teachings "for over 15 years?"
How? ...I fear, we're about to see how truly stupid America can be...and, how totally corrupt our media is.
Three Soldier Dad...Chuck
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CoLawman
03-13-2008, 21:56
I heard the Reverend Wright rants today on the radio. This is very very bad for Obama. He has to react to this publicly, loudly, and with sincerity. If he fails to do so his campaign will sink. Reverend Wright, who I did not know before this broke, is more incendiary than Louis Farrakan.
The GOP will "swiftboat" Obama with the Reverend Wright. I admit that I was shocked that a Presidential candidate would be associated, to include being wed, by someone who is so hateful to America, Israel, and "whites."
Isn't this the same church that may or may not be under investigation for using tax-free church funds for none church items... like the plane Obama has been using?
It's one thing to attend a church, it's another to have this guy in your pocket...
CoLawman
03-13-2008, 22:16
Perhaps this sheds a little light onto Michelle Obama's statement; “Hope is making a comeback and, let me tell you, for the first time in my adult life, I am proud of my country." Perhaps her listening to the Reverend Wright for the past twenty years she failed to recognize the good in America. I no longer giver her the benefit of doubt on this gaffe. I think she means it. So if Obama is not elected then she goes back to being disappointed in America.
Isn't this the same church that may or may not be under investigation for using tax-free church funds for none church items... like the plane Obama has been using?
Yes.
Remington Raidr
03-14-2008, 02:19
The GOP will "swiftboat" Obama with the Reverend Wright.
If the Uber Bitch (nod to TR) doesn't get him FIRST!:p
3SoldierDad
03-14-2008, 09:11
OUCH!!!!!
Very, very damning article in the Wallstreet Journal today...The truth is coming out. I can't imagine America electing a racist enabler as our next POTUS. It's difficult not to believe Obama hasn't been harboring secret bitterness toward white America. This whole turn of events is mind boggling - Very sad.
This is not good for our country that Obama has come this far without a thorough vetting with respect to his spiritual mentor. His mentor is sick - What does that say about his disciple?
I hope that America is not so far gone that we'd be duped into electing this man.
The really bad news is that HRC is back in the game - big time...Very bad news, indeed.
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Obama and the Minister
By RONALD KESSLER
March 14, 2008; Page A19
In a sermon delivered at Howard University, Barack Obama's longtime minister, friend and adviser blamed America for starting the AIDS virus, training professional killers, importing drugs and creating a racist society that would never elect a black candidate president.
The Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr., pastor of Mr. Obama's Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago, gave the sermon at the school's Andrew Rankin Memorial Chapel in Washington on Jan. 15, 2006.
[Obama and the Minister]
Trinity United Church of Christ/Religion News Service
Sen. Barack Obama and the Rev. Jeremiah Wright
"We've got more black men in prison than there are in college," he began. "Racism is alive and well. Racism is how this country was founded and how this country is still run. No black man will ever be considered for president, no matter how hard you run Jesse [Jackson] and no black woman can ever be considered for anything outside what she can give with her body."
Mr. Wright thundered on: "America is still the No. 1 killer in the world. . . . We are deeply involved in the importing of drugs, the exporting of guns, and the training of professional killers . . . We bombed Cambodia, Iraq and Nicaragua, killing women and children while trying to get public opinion turned against Castro and Ghadhafi . . . We put [Nelson] Mandela in prison and supported apartheid the whole 27 years he was there. We believe in white supremacy and black inferiority and believe it more than we believe in God."
His voice rising, Mr. Wright said, "We supported Zionism shamelessly while ignoring the Palestinians and branding anybody who spoke out against it as being anti-Semitic. . . . We care nothing about human life if the end justifies the means. . . ."
Concluding, Mr. Wright said: "We started the AIDS virus . . . We are only able to maintain our level of living by making sure that Third World people live in grinding poverty. . . ."
Considering this view of America, it's not surprising that in December Mr. Wright's church gave an award to Louis Farrakhan for lifetime achievement. In the church magazine, Trumpet, Mr. Wright spoke glowingly of the Nation of Islam leader. "His depth on analysis [sic] when it comes to the racial ills of this nation is astounding and eye-opening," Mr. Wright said of Mr. Farrakhan. "He brings a perspective that is helpful and honest."
After Newsmax broke the story of the award to Farrakhan on Jan. 14, Mr. Obama issued a statement. However, Mr. Obama ignored the main point: that his minister and friend had spoken adoringly of Mr. Farrakhan, and that Mr. Wright's church was behind the award to the Nation of Islam leader.
Instead, Mr. Obama said, "I decry racism and anti-Semitism in every form and strongly condemn the anti-Semitic statements made by Minister Farrakhan. I assume that Trumpet magazine made its own decision to honor Farrakhan based on his efforts to rehabilitate ex-offenders, but it is not a decision with which I agree." Trumpet is owned and produced by Mr. Wright's church out of the church's offices, and Mr. Wright's daughters serve as publisher and executive editor.
Meeting with Jewish leaders in Cleveland on Feb. 24, Mr. Obama described Mr. Wright as being like "an old uncle who sometimes will say things that I don't agree with." He rarely mentions the points of disagreement.
Mr. Obama went on to explain Mr. Wright's anti-Zionist statements as being rooted in his anger over the Jewish state's support for South Africa under its previous policy of apartheid. As with his previous claim that his church gave the award to Mr. Farrakhan because of his work with ex-offenders, Mr. Obama appears to have made that up.
Neither the presentation of the award nor the Trumpet article about the award mentions ex-offenders, and Mr. Wright's statements denouncing Israel have not been qualified in any way. Mr. Obama nonetheless told the Jewish leaders that the award to Mr. Farrakhan "showed a lack of sensitivity to the Jewish community." That is an understatement.
As for Mr. Wright's repeated comments blaming America for the 9/11 attacks because of what Mr. Wright calls its racist and violent policies, Mr. Obama has said it sounds as if the minister was trying to be "provocative."
Hearing Mr. Wright's venomous and paranoid denunciations of this country, the vast majority of Americans would walk out. Instead, Mr. Obama and his wife Michelle have presumably sat through numerous similar sermons by Mr. Wright.
Indeed, Mr. Obama has described Mr. Wright as his "sounding board" during the two decades he has known him. Mr. Obama has said he found religion through the minister in the 1980s. He joined the church in 1991 and walked down the aisle in a formal commitment of faith.
The title of Mr. Obama's bestseller "The Audacity of Hope" comes from one of Wright's sermons. Mr. Wright is one of the first people Mr. Obama thanked after his election to the Senate in 2004. Mr. Obama consulted Mr. Wright before deciding to run for president. He prayed privately with Mr. Wright before announcing his candidacy last year.
Mr. Obama obviously would not choose to belong to Mr. Wright's church and seek his advice unless he agreed with at least some of his views. In light of Mr. Wright's perspective, Michelle Obama's comment that she feels proud of America for the first time in her adult life makes perfect sense.
Much as most of us would appreciate the symbolism of a black man ascending to the presidency, what we have in Barack Obama is a politician whose closeness to Mr. Wright underscores his radical record.
The media have largely ignored Mr. Obama's close association with Mr. Wright. This raises legitimate questions about Mr. Obama's fundamental beliefs about his country. Those questions deserve a clearer answer than Mr. Obama has provided so far.
Posted by Three Soldier Dad...Chuck
SilkRider32
03-14-2008, 11:18
Barrack Hussein Obama is a "bad egg" if he gets to be president we will see what is on the inside and it is rotten. The smell of it will get most of the country. We cannot afford it, not now, not ever. :mad: Actions speak louder than words.
3SoldierDad
03-15-2008, 10:50
Clearly, Reverend Jeremiah Wright is a bitter hateful racist.
But, here's what bothers me even more than the man. When you see the films of Wright's expletive filled rants please notice how wildly the people approve of this man's message. They are absolutely going wild with abandon. You even see bow-tied congregants running up and patting him on the back during his oration. As the camera pans the crowd they are going crazy - cheering, yelling, clapping, dancing, laughing and raising their hands. I don't see one person walking out - Not one. I've used my DVR to watch these films over and over and have reviewed as many of these rants as is possible on YouTube - I've haven't spotted one person in the crowd WHO WASN'T ENJOYING THE RIDE.
Sorry, folks, but this is sick.
Yes, I have a problem with Jeremiah Wright. However, I have a bigger problem with Barak Obama and his judgment. He chose a bigoted church - And participated in their fellowship for nearly two decades. He was a committed member of an overwhelmingly racist congregation. He has a very close relationship with the man in charge - Jeremiah Wright.
Racists are sadly inevitable - The bigger problem is the people that would go to such a church and that would cheer for such messages. These are Obama's people. A picture is worth a thousand words - and an audio/video is worth a thousand pictures - they don't lie - His people are America haters.
Watch the films - What do they say to you about Obama's church? What does it say about Obama? Is he a racist enabler? Or, is he stupid?
Another question - Will this pass muster with America? Will the sophistry work? Is the media going to cycle this reality out of the news? And continue their mind massage over us all...
Three Soldier Dad...Chuck
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longrange1947
03-15-2008, 11:23
My problem is that the people of these United States are blinded by sweet talking rhetoric and they do not have the ambition to look beyond. Obama has and will condemn the speech without acknowledging that this has been standard in that "church" since he has been a "loyal member".
The "sheeple" will blindly follow listening to the siren of 'change', 'sweetness', and 'better future' without once asking how, when, who to the what.
No I do not think this will do much unless "Billary" destroy themselves by hammering him on it. If they hammer him, they will be accused of negative campaigning and again Obama wins. The MSM have already pretty much dropped it with his "I'm abhorred by the statements made by............."
I have already seen in other forums where the 'libs' are coming to his defense.
The antihero
03-15-2008, 11:34
I'm not usually one that likes to have his say on other countries' internal politics but, man, this is downright scary.
My problem is that the people of these United States are blinded by sweet talking rhetoric and they do not have the ambition to look beyond. Obama has and will condemn the speech without acknowledging that this has been standard in that "church" since he has been a "loyal member".
The "sheeple" will blindly follow listening to the siren of 'change', 'sweetness', and 'better future' without once asking how, when, who to the what.
No I do not think this will do much unless "Billary" destroy themselves by hammering him on it. I hammer they will be accused of negative campaigning and again Obama wins. The MSM have already pretty much dropped it with his "I'm abhorred by the statements made by............."
I have already seen in other forums where the 'libs' are coming to his defense.Stay safe.
Ambush Master
03-15-2008, 12:34
It's one thing to attend a church, it's another to have this guy in your pocket...
I'd question who had who, in their "Pocket"!!
Isn't there supposed to be the seperation of Church and state? We cannot place the ten commandments in the courthouse (good rule to live by even with faith towards the religion), but we can talk politics during the sermon?
Once again our society is faced with an I can do it, you can't mentality. If you see this happening in your neighborhood, please call it out and correct it. We all have to play by the same rules.
Blakeslee
03-15-2008, 14:03
This cannot be taken likely. Now, Obama declares his seperation from the man...but, it's too late. This is the man who married you and your wife. If you sit through one sermon...so be it. If you're a loyal member if this man's church: you agree and abide by his teachings. Libs can come to his aide all they want. What's their argument? I ask because we all know, they have none.
I wonder how long the Clinton camp was holding onto this bit of info.
Dragbag036
03-15-2008, 14:16
What I cannot understand is that a supposed man of God, uses such language. Not only that, there are children in the video learning from this idiot. This disgraces people to no end. Can we get away from the B and W America. As for separation of Church and State, well.., thats just been thrown out the window. Forget the fact that most do not truly understand the history of the Parties and just vote their color. Maybe now all will see the true nature of this wolf in sheep's clothing.
Read Jeremiah 29:20-32
Jeremiah foretells judgments upon the false prophets, who deceived the Jews in Babylon. Lying was bad; lying to the people of the Lord, to delude them into a false hope, was worse; but pretending to rest their own lies upon the God of truth, was worst of all. They flattered others in their sins, because they could not reprove them without condemning themselves. The most secret sins are known to God; and there is a day coming when he will bring to light all the hidden works of darkness.
Radar Rider
03-15-2008, 20:52
Let's see this for the hilarious irony that it is: hussein obama tries to distance himself from his muslim past by claiming to be Christian. His "Christian" advisor turns out to be a bigot and hater. Maybe hussein will run back to his muslim roots now.
Rev. Wright is now compared to Jesus, by Obama's new Pastor. :rolleyes:
In Easter Sermon, New Obama Pastor Charges Rev. Wright Victim of ‘Lynching’
CHICAGO — The new pastor of Barack Obama’s church delivered a defiant defense of its retiring reverend Sunday, comparing media coverage of Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr. to a modern-day lynching that resembles Jesus’ death at the hands of the Romans.
In a sunrise Easter sermon, Rev. Otis Moss III never mentioned Wright by name, but implied that his mentor, who has delivered sermons in which he likened the U.S. to the Ku Klux Klan and declared it damned for its “state-sponsored terrorism,” is facing the same challenges Jesus did.”No one should start a ministry with lynching, no one should end their ministry with lynching,” Moss said.
“The lynching was national news. The RNN, the Roman News Network, was reporting it and NPR, National Publican Radio had it on the radio. The Jerusalem Post and the Palestine Times all wanted exclusives, they searched out the young ministers, showed up unannounced at their houses, tried to talk with their families, called up their friends, wanted to get a quote on how do you feel about the lynching?” he continued.
The criticism surrounding Wright has not softened the services at Trinity United Church of Christ, where Obama has been a congregant for 20 years. Instead, Moss defiantly defended their method of worship, referencing rap lyrics to make his point.”If I was Ice Cube I’d say it a little differently — ‘You picked the wrong folk to mess with,’” Moss said to an enthusiastic congregation, standing up during much of the sermon, titled “How to Handle a Public Lynching.”
Wright’s sermons were criticized for casting the country as institutionally racist and Obama sharply condemned Wright’s remarks as racially divisive in a high-profile speech Tuesday, though the candidate would not renounce the pastor himself. Church officials said Wright, who is now on sabbatical and entering retirement after nearly 40 years of service with the church, was not attending any service Sunday.
Obama and his family were spending Easter on vacation and also were not attending services.
Though the church recently moved a once-prominent section on its Web site about the “Black Value System,” the congregation still describes itself as “unashamedly black and unapologetically Christian.” A plaque states this prominently behind the front desk.
The sermons Sunday, which kept references to Wright as a common thread, implied that the firestorm over Wright’s remarks has taken the church’s teachings out of context.
Bishop Vashti Murphy McKenzie, the first female bishop in the AME Church, also delivered a sermon, in which she talked about visionaries like King and Gandhi and “Jeremiah” (it was unclear whether she meant Wright), and argued that their words weren’t about “anger,” but about “a passion that demands confrontation.”
“The purveyors of information are trying to be judge and jury over prophetic utterances,” she said.
The church program handed out Sunday also included an essay called “Not on My Watch” from the Rev. Samuel B. McKinney of Mount Zion Baptist Church in Seattle. McKinney said he was “greatly disturbed” by the “media feeding frenzy that has tarnished everyone in the process.”
“Dr. Wright represents the best among us … An attack on this man of God is an attack on all those of the cloth who believe in the social Gospel of liberation. And I will not stand for it,” he wrote.
Moss issued several pleas to congregants to donate to what he called the “Resurrection Fund,” stressing that during this time of battle, money is needed to defend the church. He offered no additional specifics about the fund, telling churchgoers he didn’t want to get into it because Trinity is streaming the service live on the Web and the services are available for purchase on DVD.
He concluded with another analogy, saying, “In order to crucify him you’ve got to lift him up … he had more visibility on the cross than he did during his entire ministry.”
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/03/23/in-eastor-sermon-trinity-united-pastor-compares-rev-wright-to-jesus/
Bill O'Reilly uses the term 'lynching' = racist
Rev. Otis Moss uses term 'lynching' repeatedly = acceptable speech
Let's hear it for double standards!
3SoldierDad
04-11-2008, 15:02
Obama on small-town PA: Clinging religion, guns, xenophobia
Huffpo's Mayhill Fowler has more from Obama's remarks at a San Francisco fundraiser Sunday, and they include an attempt to explain the resentment in small-town Pennsylvania that won't be appreciated by some of the people whose votes Obama's seeking:
You go into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them...And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not.
And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.
That's a pretty broad list of things to explain with job loss.
Posted by Three Soldier Dad...Chuck
enterfirst
04-11-2008, 15:45
...the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them...
Hmm....So what is he saying here? That the government should show up on the doorstep of certain companies and "demand that they give people in these town jobs!!" :rolleyes:
God help us
My problem is that the people of these United States are blinded by sweet talking rhetoric and they do not have the ambition to look beyond.
The "sheeple" will blindly follow listening to the siren of 'change', 'sweetness', and 'better future' without once asking how, when, who to the what.
Agreed Sir! And very well said IMHO. If only those "supporting" B. Hussein Obama chose to understand this concept...instead, they turn a blind eye to this reality.:rolleyes:
Holly
3SoldierDad
04-11-2008, 17:32
Just unpack this statement and think about it.
And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.
This guy is so totally out of touch - Look at his attitude to guns and faith as if these things are what "losers" cling to....He has such outrageous temerity to indict small town America for clinging to religion for the last 25 years as if they are ignorant while he sits in the pews of the Jeremiah Wright for two decades - What hypocrisy.
Simply incredible - the fact that he can exist at all as a plausible candidate is a sad testimony to where this nation has come.
Three Soldier Dad...Chuck
He is a racist, liberal elitist IMO:mad: I agree that it's like there are a lot of pieces to this puzzle and they are slowly starting to come together.And people "swear" I'm crazy...
Obama's a modern day "Calypso" Louis Farrakhan.:munchin
BTW...Do a search on "Barry" Obama.
Stay safe.
Patriot007
04-12-2008, 08:22
This guy is so totally out of touch - Look at his attitude to guns and faith as if these things are what "losers" cling to....He has such outrageous temerity to indict small town America for clinging to religion for the last 25 years as if they are ignorant while he sits in the pews of the Jeremiah Wright for two decades - What hypocrisy.
Three Soldier Dad...Chuck
Before I read the article I thought that Obama was just naive, and looking to manipulate the equally ignorant masses. It sounds like if he were to become president he would declare war on me and my way of life.
Obama you are right about something. We will cling to our religion and guns. Not because we don't have jobs, but because they are our rights and the very essence of our freedom.
Besides, I haven't searched any numbers but am I suppose to buy into believing that the unemployment rate in small town America is HIGHER than in the derelict-ridden large cities? :rolleyes: Sounds like he has taken to heart the teachings of his "reverend" a little more than he'd like us to know.
82ndtrooper
04-12-2008, 08:43
Hmm....So what is he saying here? That the government should show up on the doorstep of certain companies and "demand that they give people in these town jobs!!" :rolleyes:
God help us
Good catch !
Without proper tax incentives and free trade promotion then how do democrats purport to renew job growth ?
Obama and Hillary want to do away with the Bush tax cuts, but are their followers ready to give more and recieve less when April 15th comes around each year ? I don't think so, but since both Hillary and Obama have used the "let's penalize big business for making money" it seems to have taken a certain "let's get em" attitude. Just how much more ignorant can two would be Presidential nominees possibly be ? :rolleyes: I suspect the majority of their supporters are either homeless, or out of a job anyway.
God help us .
Just how much more ignorant can two would be Presidential nominees possibly be?
They're far from ignorant. They keenly understand what their supporters want to hear, and give it to them in hopes of getting elected.
Detonics
04-13-2008, 01:49
I wait in in a state of high anticipation Klinton's alleged "bombshell" info on Mr. Obama. :munchin
They keenly understand what their supporters want to hear, and give it to them in hopes of getting elected.
What never ceases to amaze me is, how these people can be continually lied to by these 'canidates" and still will vote for them. All candidates for President completely, and totally disgust me. They openly "mis-speak" and accuse each other of things they do, and people STILL listen to them.
With our choices, it amazes me that we as a species ever left this planet...
3SoldierDad
04-13-2008, 13:05
What never ceases to amaze me is, how these people can be continually lied to by these 'canidates" and still will vote for them. All candidates for President completely, and totally disgust me. They openly "mis-speak" and accuse each other of things they do, and people STILL listen to them.
With our choices, it amazes me that we as a species ever left this planet...
I think McCain is far from the perfect candidate, but I don't think he is a liar. He's got problems, but IMO lying isn't one of them. I do disagree with him on a lot of issues and I wish he were younger; however, the man appears to have integrity.
FWIW...my $.02
Three Soldier Dad...Chuck
Turn out means BHO takes the May 6th primary in NC over HRC and he takes the state in November over Mac.
Blacks have been registering 4 - 1 over whites in this state and they will turn out in November.
For the above to be false Mac needs to start pumping the right trying to get the RahRahRah factor going. Right now I think he thinks he don't need it.:eek:
3SoldierDad
04-13-2008, 15:12
I think McCain is far from the perfect candidate, but I don't think he is a liar. He's got problems, but IMO lying isn't one of them. I do disagree with him on a lot of issues and I wish he were younger; however, the man appears to have integrity.
FWIW...my $.02
Three Soldier Dad...Chuck
Well let me take a step back on the integrity issue.
McCain was still married and living with his wife in 1979 while, according to press accounts, "aggressively courting a 25-year-old woman who was as beautiful as she was rich." McCain divorced his wife, who had raised their three children while he was imprisoned in Vietnam, then launched his political career with his new wife's family money. In 2000, McCain managed to deflect media questioning about his first marriage with a deft admission of responsibility for its failure.
Hmmm.....Well, he took responsibility for his failure. I guess that "confession" is some kind of consolation...kind of.
Hey, let's just say he lies less...
McCain is my jerk...He's one jerk who will kill terrorists and bad guys.
He'll have my vote. :munchin
Three Soldier Dad...Chuck