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Monsoon65
03-12-2008, 19:31
http://news.yahoo.com/s/mcclatchy/20080312/wl_mcclatchy/2877385



By Hannah Allam, McClatchy Newspapers
Wed Mar 12, 5:46 PM ET

BAGHDAD _U.S. authorities in Baghdad have received five severed fingers belonging to four Americans and an Austrian who were taken hostage more than a year ago in Iraq , U.S. officials said Wednesday.

The FBI is investigating the grisly development, and the families of the five kidnapped contractors have been notified, American officials said on condition of anonymity because they weren't authorized to discuss the case publicly.

Authorities confirmed that the fingers belonged to hostages Jonathon Cote , of Gainesville, Fla. ; Joshua Munns , of Redding, Calif. ; Paul Johnson Reuben , of Buffalo, Minn. ; Bert Nussbaumer of Vienna, Austria ; and Ronald J. Withrow , an American who was kidnapped separately from the others.

No information was available on when or how the fingers were delivered to U.S. authorities. Some relatives of the missing men said that they'd heard weeks ago that the DNA of the hostages had been obtained, but they'd been given no details.

The first four men were security contractors with Kuwait -based Crescent Security and were captured in a brazen ambush of their 43-truck supply convoy in the southern Iraqi town of Safwan, near the Kuwaiti border, on Nov. 16, 2006 .

There was no word on a fifth contractor who was seized with them, John Young , of Kansas City . Contrary to Austrian news reports, none of the fingers belonged to him, authorities said.

"The government is in touch with us, but they said nothing has been verified yet," said Sharon DeBrabander , Young's mother. "I certainly don't understand why my son's wasn't found. What does that mean?"

Withrow, a computer specialist who worked for JPI Worldwide, was kidnapped separately at a phony checkpoint near the southern Iraqi city of Basra on Jan. 5, 2007 , according to news reports. Very little information is publicly available about his abduction; the bodies of his Iraqi translator and driver were discovered the next day. His employer is a Las Vegas -based company that provides Internet and technological support to remote or war-torn areas around the globe, according to the company's Web site.

The Austrian weekly magazine News first reported the delivery of the five fingers in Wednesday's edition, citing unnamed authorities working on the case.

Austrian officials said at a news conference in Vienna that U.S. officials had provided information about "fingerprints and DNA traces that were positively matched to Nussbaumer," the Austrian hostage. They didn't confirm that the sample was a severed finger.

Relatives of the American hostages said they received phone calls from U.S. authorities early Wednesday, though initially they were told only that fingerprints or DNA had been obtained. Later, at least one father said he'd been notified that his son's finger had been delivered by the hostage-takers, but there still was confusion among the relatives about the development.

"All we have right now is prayers," said Mark Munns , the father of former Marine Joshua Munns , 25, who has spent his past two birthdays in captivity. "I don't know how to make head or tails of what's going on. Are they still alive? A whole bunch of stuff goes through your head."

State Department representatives check in with the families in a telephone conference call every Monday, though several relatives have complained that they're being kept in the dark about the investigation. The FBI has told them that the information is classified to preserve the integrity of the investigation— little solace for families who've gone 18 months with scant news.

"I know we're in a war on terror, but to not tell the families anything and let us sit out here for 18 months just isn't right," Mark Munns said.

The Crescent contractors appeared in two hostage videos released in December 2006 and January 2007 in which they pleaded for the United States to withdraw troops from Iraq and to free all Iraqi prisoners. In the videos, they appeared in good condition and said that they were being treated well.

No financial demand has been made public, and it's unclear what group is holding the men. All of the hostages were seized in southern Iraq , where powerful Shiite Muslim militias operate with relative freedom.

"I'm hoping this may be a sign that the hostage-takers sent the fingers to prove they have the guys and may want to deal. I'm trying to look at the positive of this," said Mark Koscielski , a Minnesotan who is in close contact with the families of the hostages and maintains a Web site, www.Save5.net, dedicated to the abducted men. One of the hostages, Reuben, is a former Minneapolis police officer.

bluenote
03-13-2008, 11:16
They should be able to tell a lot from the fingers. Overall health of hostages including hydration, nutrition, treatment,etc. They should also be able to tell about enviromental exposure to specific soils or paints from different regions if the hostages have been handling their surroundings. Are the hostages allowed showers or allowed outside in the sunlight? They can tell if the fingers are tanned or sunburned. Intersesting questions: What is under the fingernails? Which fingers? How where they severed? (By a thug or someone with medical training?) How were they delivered? Hopefully we can get enough info to bring them home. BN

JGarcia
03-18-2008, 23:03
The Munns Family lives here in my town. Good people. I hope their son comes home alive in one piece.

Paste Eater
03-24-2008, 20:45
The Munns Family lives here in my town. Good people. I hope their son comes home alive in one piece.



Were you trying to be funny? Because that wasn't.

They cut his finger off.. :mad:

"Authorities confirmed that the fingers belonged to hostages Jonathon Cote , of Gainesville, Fla. ; Joshua Munns , of Redding, Calif. ; Paul Johnson Reuben , of Buffalo, Minn. ; Bert Nussbaumer of Vienna, Austria ; and Ronald J. Withrow , an American who was kidnapped separately from the others."

NousDefionsDoc
03-24-2008, 21:17
Were you trying to be funny? Because that wasn't.

They cut his finger off.. :mad:

There are worse things than losing a finger.

NousDefionsDoc
03-24-2008, 21:17
Water boarding is torture....

JGarcia
03-24-2008, 21:56
No,
I wasnt trying to be funny. There are worse things than losing a finger. Losing a finger is a bad thing, and I hope and pray that that is the worse thing Josh Munns (or any of them) has to endure. Today two of the kidnapped contractors remains were recovered by the FBI. I want Josh home, as I am sure you do too.

Sdiver
03-24-2008, 21:58
Looks as if 2 of the 5 contractors bodies that were kidnapped, have been recovered.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080324/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/iraq_kidnapped_contractors

Remains of 2 US contractors recovered



DALLAS - The remains of two U.S. contractors kidnapped in Iraq more than a year ago have been recovered, the FBI said Monday, weeks after families of several long-missing men gained hope that they might be found alive.

Ronald Withrow of Roaring Springs, Texas, and John Roy Young of Kansas City, Mo., were among six Western contractors kidnapped separately. The disappearances received new attention this month when the severed fingers of several men were sent to the U.S. military in Iraq.

Several relatives had taken the discovery of the fingers as a hopeful sign, including the father of Jonathon Cote, who remains missing.

"We feel very sad that this is how it turned out. We wish it turned out a better way," Francis Cote said from his home in Getzville, N.Y., near Buffalo.

Cote said he had spoken to the families of Withrow and Young. He said that he was holding out hope his son is still alive but that the discovery of the bodies dampened those hopes.

"Let me say this: I'm not as optimistic as I was in the past," he said.

Withrow worked for JPI Worldwide when he was kidnapped in January 2007. Young worked for Crescent Security Group when he was kidnapped in November 2006. Withrow was among those whose severed fingers were sent; Young was not.

Withrow's mother, Barbara Alexander, said an FBI agent visited her Sunday night.

"You just can't really be prepared for any news like that, especially when you had hope that your son is alive," Alexander said by phone from her home in Afton, Texas, about 270 miles northwest of Dallas.

"I know he's safe from all harm now," Alexander said. "We're bringing him home. That was what our main concern was. And that they're not going to hurt him anymore."

Reading from what she said was the final entry in a notebook, Alexander addressed her son directly:

"I know God has taken you home. I'm just someone that's taken care of you," she said. "It's hard to believe that you're gone. But you're in a more peaceful place than here. I'll see you when I can. Wait for me at the gates of heaven."

Young's mother, Sharon DeBrabander, declined to comment after the FBI's confirmation. A woman who answered the door at the family's home said relatives were expected to discuss Young's death Tuesday.

The other men still missing are Paul Reuben of Minneapolis, Joshua Munns of Redding, Calif., and Bert Nussbaumer of Vienna, Austria. A finger from each was received by the military recently.

Francis Cote said he and other families were visited by the FBI last month and told DNA samples had been identified as those of the hostages. The agents would not say how they had gotten the samples, but one family member said she provided a sample after the FBI asked for one.

JMI
03-24-2008, 22:17
Were you trying to be funny? Because that wasn't.

They cut his finger off.. :mad:

Oh I don't know, maybe the fact that he said he comes from his HOME TOWN should have led you to believe he wasn't trying to be funny.