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cornelyj
02-25-2008, 15:57
I have just received my work-out plan from four PhD. grads from health science and sports medicine and wanted to post them on here before they go into full effect. This plan cost me forty-five bucks since I'm a student. I want advice from the people who have actually passed not the gym rats as we students call them, although I will be taking them both into account greatly. OK so as always don't be afraid to tear it apart and give honest opinion of what you would add or subtract.
(I have no place to climb ropes?:boohoo)


Monday
Pushups * (Push-Up work-out being used.)
Stability Ball DB Press
Sword Draw
Skull Crushers
Standing Calf Raises
Stability Ball Crunches
Planks (45 sec reps)

Tuesday
Run + Ruck.

Wednesday
Pull Ups
Bent Over Rows
Reverse Flys
DB Shoulder Press
BB Curls
Seated Woodchops
Side Planks (30 sec reps)

Thursday
Run + Ruck.

Friday
Squats
Single leg squats
Pushups w/ variation
DB Chest Press
Pullups w/ variation
BB Shoulder Raises
DB Tricep Extenstion
Situps
Planks (45 sec reps)

Saturday

Long Run or Long Ruck.

Sunday

Rest or LSR Long Slow Run.

Warmup
Jog/Bike - 5 mins easy
Leg swings - forward, backward (15)
Walking Lounges - with trunk twists (10)
Squatdowns and twist
Arm Circles



Myofacial Release
IT band
Quads
Hip Flexors
Lats

Sets 3
Reps 12
Rest 60 sec
Tempo 2 1 1

Static Stretches (Post-workout) - hold 30 secs each
Lunge
Hamstrings
Quads - standing
Calfs
Chest

Pushup Variations
regular explosive-staggered
wide elevated
diamond clap
one-leg with med-ball (switch side to side)
explosive with stability ball (SB)
staggered elevated with SB

Do a pushup test every Sunday, to see how many you can pull off without stopping. Take that number and
round down to the nearest *5 (i.e. 46 down to 45), or nearest *0 (i.e. 53 down to 50). This rounded number is
the one you focus on for the week. On pushup day, you will do five sets, with 60 sec rests between sets.

First set, the reps is the rounded number. Next set, decrease by 8. 3rd set, decrease by 2 more. 4th set
decrease by 5, and max out on the last set. On variation day, do 3 sets of as many as you can pump out
without resting.

For pullups, do 4 sets. Max out on the 1st set, then each set after that decrease by two, and shoot for that
number of reps, or as many you can do below that. Variation day, just do 3 sets. The different variations were
the wide grip, the parallel grip, with the row attachment (throwing it over a bar), chinups, weighted
pullups, or weighted versions of each variation. Remember, focus on pulling with your upperback.

Situps, max out on the first set (as many as you can in 2 minutes). Do them like you would for the test. Get
one of the employees working there to help you out if you're working out on your own. The next two sets,
perfect form of 20, and 30 second rest between all three sets.

For the running, just continue doing that a couple times a week. Don't go as long as you have been, try
going for less time, higher intensity. You don't have to focus on specific training or times with the running
portion until you're about 3 months until the test. In the meantime, do variations of two mile, three mile,
or an easy 30 - 45 minute run. Though you want to improve intensity, you don't want to burn out. Come
3 months, start focusing on times. You want to run a 6 min mile (you did that during our mock test, but
only the first mile, and slowed down the second). So you want to focus on keeping that 6 minute mile, and
hitting certain times during the following 4 laps. Saying you ran your first mile, start out with the goal of
hitting the 5th lap in 7:45, 6th (9:30), 7th (11:15), and 8th (13:00). Doing that will achieve the 13 minutes,
but we want to be able to make 12, so that come test day, there's no room for error. As soon as you hit all
of the 4 times (including the 6 min 1st mile), start decreasing each lap in the 2nd mile by 5 seconds. Follow
this routine until you can get the 12 min 2 mile, and maintain until test day.
On "Ruck" days it is completed with a 28 pound pack on a five mile dirt road around a cattle pasture pace now being about a 12-13 min average.

Other points to keep in mind, remember to keep the three points (Head, hips, heels) in line during your push ups
and planks. Also, make sure you focus on stretching after you workout. Flexibility is important, especially
in your case, being that you need to be injury free up until your test. Flexibility will help with injury prevention
and if anything does happen, will improve recovery time. Focus on stretching out your hip flexors (since
you have to do so many situps), and your lats (will make the pullups much easier, as well as injury prevention).
Don't forget the myofacial release (foam rolling and the baseball). This routine, I want you to follow for about
4 weeks, after which you can change it up, but make sure you continue to test yourself, and I recommend
doing a 'mock' test at least once a month before your actual test for the purpose of seeing where you are at
as well as a mental exercise (so that come test time, you know exactly what to expect). Try to simulate
the test as close as you possibly can to the real one. I don't think we went over this, but make sure that
when you workout, don't wear gloves (to improve your grip) and don't wear a weight belt (so that you can
strengthen you core). The only time you should ever workout with a weight belt is if you're going to perform
1 rep of heavy lifting, and only then. Other wise it'll inhibit core development. Wish you the best of luck!


(when push-ups noted above this is work out done, but with more sets and different hand positions as stated above.)

This routine assumes that you are able to do 30 complete push-ups with out resting. By partials I mean restricting the range of motion to just under 1/2 of a complete rep. Always touch the floor with your chest (when possible) and come up almost half-way then back down. A sample routine would look like this:

* Week 1 & 2: Every other day
POSITION #1: Triangle push-ups (you should touch your thumbs to your xiphoid process (lightly!) when trying to touch your chest to the ground)
+ 5 partials
+ 5 complete
+ 7 partials
+ 7 complete
+ rest 90 seconds
POSITION #2: Move hands to shoulder length apart (the tips of your fingers should be aligned with the tops of your sholders)
+ 5 partials
+ 5 complete
+ 7 partials
+ 7 complete
+ rest 90 seconds
POSITION #3: Move your hands out until, during mid rep, your upper arms will be perpendicular to your forearms. The hands should remain in the same position relative to the shoulders (ie move them "out" in a straight line)
+ 5 partials
+ 5 complete
+ 7 partials
+ 7 complete
* Week 3: 2 days on, 1 off; 2 on, 1 off; 1 on
POSITION #1
+ Until failure
* Week 4 & 5: 1 on, 2 off; 2 on, 1 off; 1 on, 2 off; 1 on, 2 off; 1 on, 1 off
POSITION #1
+ 7 partials
+ 7 complete
+ 12 partials
+ 12 complete
+ rest 120 seconds
POSITION #2
+ 7 partials
+ 7 complete
+ 12 partials
+ 12 complete
+ rest 120 seconds
POSITION #3
+ 7 partials
+ 7 complete
+ 12 partials
+ 12 complete
* Week 6: 2 on, 1 off; 2 on, 1 off; 1 on
POSITION #1
+ Until failure
+ rest 240 seconds
POSITION #2
+ Until failure
* Week 7 & 8: 1 off, 1 on; 2 off, 1 on; 1 off, 1 on; 2 off, 2 on; 1 off, 1 on; 1 off
POSITION #1
+ 15 partials
+ 15 complete
+ rest 90 seconds
+ 40 complete
+ rest 240 seconds
POSITION #2
+ 15 partials
+ 15 complete
+ rest 90 seconds
+ 40 complete
+ rest 240 seconds
POSITION #3
+ 15 partials
+ 15 complete
+ rest 90 seconds
+ 40 complete
+ rest 240 seconds
* Week 9: 2 on, 1 off; 2 on, 1 off; 1 on
POSITION #1
+ Until failure
+ rest 240 seconds
POSITION #2
+ Until failure
+ rest 240 seconds
POSITION #3
+ Until failure
+ rest 240 seconds
* Week 10: 1 off, 1 on; 2 off, 1 on; 1 off, 1 on
POSITION #2
+ 100 complete
* Maintenance: Twice a week
POSITION #2
+ 100 complete

Written by Robert C. Shouse

NousDefionsDoc
02-25-2008, 16:07
I have just received my work-out plan from four PhD. grads from health science and sports medicine
Were they selected?

cornelyj
02-25-2008, 16:59
All four work at the gym and have a piece of paper in their office that says they can put the PhD before their name.
I told them the workout that I was already doing and they molded/ fixed it, but I'll see if you guys can/can't fix it some more.

rubberneck
02-25-2008, 17:06
If they don't know what exactly a student at SFAS is asked to do then how can they accurately prepare you for it? Having a PhD is immaterial to the subject.

jatx
02-25-2008, 17:07
All four work at the gym and have a piece of paper in their office that says they can put the PhD before their name.
I told them the workout that I was already doing and they molded/ fixed it, but I'll see if you guys can/can't fix it some more.

Nice smart ass response.

Why would you even care what a couple of non-SF PhD's think you should do to prepare? Why can't you just follow the plan recommended over and over on this site?

Snaquebite
02-25-2008, 18:44
I have just received my work-out plan from four PhD. grads from health science and sports medicine

WOW.

Why would you be asking a bunch of guys that actually have some knowledge about Getting Selected.

Post less read more.

The Reaper
02-25-2008, 19:29
All four work at the gym and have a piece of paper in their office that says they can put the PhD before their name.
I told them the workout that I was already doing and they molded/ fixed it, but I'll see if you guys can/can't fix it some more.

I see you missed my advice on the other thread you posted on.

You will not be asked to do a lot of exercises at SFAS, nor will you be issued a kettlebell. You will be asked to ruck long distances cross-country.

It is pretty useless to post an SFAS prep program here designed by someone with little, if any experience at SF training. Why not let us know how your program worked for you, IF you make it to SFAS and are selected?

As we advise everyone going to SFAS for the first time, I would stick with the SWCS program, especially when you have not yet done Basic, AIT, or Airborne school.

I know plenty of people with paper on their walls who could not tell you what SF stands for. Do not confuse education with wisdom.

I would not be flippant with the staff here, if you plan to stay for very long or to pursue a career in SF. You may see some of us in person, at some point.

Have a very SF day.

TR

Remington Raidr
02-25-2008, 20:39
All four work at the gym and have a piece of paper in their office that says they can put the PhD before their name.

REAL PhDs put it AFTER the name, like REAL (MD) doctors do.

Kyobanim
02-25-2008, 20:53
Boy, this thread is a real crank stomper. :rolleyes:

Ambush Master
02-25-2008, 21:02
REAL PhDs put it AFTER the name, like REAL (MD) doctors do.

Either way, what does it matter!!!

If they have not completed "THE Q", much less even attempted it, they are CLUELESS!!!

There is more than enough info in here, and it didn't cost'ya a dime!!

PHD=PILED HIGHER AND DEEPER!!!!:D:munchin

NousDefionsDoc
02-25-2008, 21:22
I ran into this on another board with fitness experts. What they and the people that go to them don't understand is that SFAS and what not is not about physical fitness. Yes, you have to be fit. Most that go are and almost any program that involves the exercises and rucking will work.

You aren't there to pass a PT test. You are there to get selected. To answer the question.

Would I take him on my Team?

Ambush Master
02-25-2008, 21:32
(I have no place to climb ropes?:boohoo)

This very statement says a lot!!:munchin..................................... ..Not the mindset that makes for a desireable trait!!!!


Take care
Martin

cornelyj
02-26-2008, 00:38
I wanted you gentlemen to give me your opinion on the work out plan. The reason I posted is because you professionals have "completed "THE Q"" and I very much value the advice on this forum.

I thought I asked a well put together question about the training and its seems a No-go so never mind that.

The plan on this site/SF site seems is a shot term preparation (5 weeks). I still have another year of school so I am looking for longer term planning and preparation.
It very much seems that all of you got the wrong "vibe", as some people call it.


Last Post.
Sorry no excuse will stop being flippant.

Thanks NousDefionsDoc you definitely gave me something to think about.
"Would I take him on my Team?"

Scimitar
02-26-2008, 02:57
I have no place to climb ropes

The only way I could climb ropes was by going to a climbing gym and paying some dude to 'belay' me. That was going to get expensive quick.

Instead I went and brought 20' of rope spliced it onto a steel bar I picked up from the local scrap yard and I would go down to the park and hang it in the branches of this big old tree. Obviously you try to hang it close to the trunk so it can take your weight but not so close that the trunk is in the way. Total cost about $60.

It took me about 30min of walking around the park to find a tree I could easily climb and one that had the appropriate fork. NOTE" don't leave it there, take it away with you. Liability.

NOTE: always climb with a buddy incase of injury and don't climb more then 10 feet so that a fall is no big deal. My brother in law had 'bouldering' mats we used so I would climb to the 20' mark. Think safe.

On another note, most of the upper body strength work you do (incl lats) will give you the strength you need to climb a rope ok. From the guys I talk to who have been thru selection it's not so much the strength it's the climbing technique. A lot go in having never climbed a rope and you don't get to practice it that much in the courses running up to selection. When you get to the climbing rope parts of 'Nasty Nick' you're tired, the ropes wet and on top of that you really haven’t got you're climbing technique down.

I say all this cos you can practice technique on a 12 foot rope and just do the strength thing at the gym or whatever.

We had one guy who hung it from the main beam of his two story garage and put some old high school gym mats down. Perfect. :lifter

Food for thought.

MODS please correct or edit if inappropriate. Thank you.

The Reaper
02-26-2008, 07:38
Joe:

IIRC, the prep course has a maintenance explanation and plan at the end.

Get yourself into shape to ruck and run and try to maintain it through Basic, AIT, and Airborne schools. If you are able to perform consistently at the level of the last week of the prep when you arrive at SFAS, you should not fail for physical reasons, unless you get injured. If you do not have the proper mental and emotional attributes as well as dedication and attitude, no amount of physical conditioning will help you get through. I have seen a lot of studs non-selected.

As far as a lack of equipment or facilities, the people we are looking for find a way and are usually very good at making do and getting the job done with few, if any resources or assistance from others.

Scimitar:

I would leave speculation about the obstacle course to people who have actually been on it. Rope climbing is a technique event and should primarily use the legs.

TR

Scimitar
02-26-2008, 07:41
Roger that TR.

S

Razor
02-26-2008, 12:41
On another note, most of the upper body strength work you do (incl lats) will give you the strength you need to climb a rope ok.

If you're relying on upper body strength to climb a rope, your technique is very inefficient.

Scimitar
02-26-2008, 13:04
Thanks for pointing that out Razor,

To clarify the post. Rope climbing is more technique then Physical strength. Hence why you can achieve most of your rope climbing strength requirements thru your normal workout.

So you don't need to go around climbing 30 foot ropes like an animal. Instead get a 12-15 foot rope and climb it nice and slow and master the technique. It's also safer. Even a controlled 30 foot fall is still a fall.

Thanks again Razor

Scimitar

cornelyj
02-26-2008, 17:10
Thank you for the responses and clarifications.
Last post I promise.

This may be a very dumb question but when you say climb ropes is it inch worm style (legs-arms)... or an all arm (hand-over-hand) style. "only upper body strength to climb a rope, your technique is very inefficient." -Razor.Is the second style the one he is referring too or is it just bad form of just using your arms being addressed? Which should be perfected is my question?



It seems as though there is a 20 foot rope behind the Track. So any U of Fl. students or in the people in area PM me and ill paint you a map.

Thanks again and this will be my last post I'll be back after some hard work and some papers are signed.
Have a nice day

~Joe.

Scimitar
02-26-2008, 17:39
Just some friendly advice

1. With some comprehension skills and use of the Search button you should be able to answer that question yourself.

2. Your last post lacked a bit of England my friend. I'm not sure what you’re asking. Well researched, well thought out, and well communicated questions will score you points both in SF and the rest of the world and most definitely on this site.

3. Regarding the 20' rope, be safe, make sure they are usable and have been maintained. Are they the right sort of rope (don't ask what is - research it)? Remember what I said about how there is no need to climb 20'. You only need a rope to practice technique on; the gym will suffice for the strength part of it. A 15' fall is a dangerous fall.

4. Lastly just to reiterate what these far more qualified gentleman have basically said. There are probably more important things to focus on then your rope climbing. Rope climbing doesn’t even register on the list of reasons of why candidates don't get selected at SFAS. (ref: Get Selected for Special Forces Book)

I gather from what you have said that you have yet to sign a contract. You don't have an 18X contract until it's in your hand and even then that doesn't guarantee much. Many find out they are not eligible for SF when they get to MEPS. Focus on the 25m mark my friend.

Best of luck

Scimitar

P.S. I tried to send you a Private Message but you have disabled this feature, please PM me.


Thank you for the responses and clarifications.
Last post I promise.

This may be a very dumb question but when you say climb ropes is it inch worm style (legs-arms)... or an all arm (hand-over-hand) style. "only upper body strength to climb a rope, your technique is very inefficient." -Razor.Is the second style the one he is referring too or is it just bad form of just using your arms being addressed? Which should be perfected is my question?



It seems as though there is a 20 foot rope behind the Track. So any U of Fl. students or in the people in area PM me and ill paint you a map.

Thanks again and this will be my last post I'll be back after some hard work and some papers are signed.
Have a nice day

~Joe.

Razor
02-26-2008, 23:07
Cornelyj, a technique I was taught involves using your arms only to hold a position on the rope while you bring your knees to your chest, lock the rope around/over your feet, then straighten your legs. You repeat this over and over. This uses the large muscles groups in your legs, butt and back to move you up the rope. Its not difficult to do, but you may want to find someone to show you how to do it first.

sofmed
02-27-2008, 01:37
Razor,

That is spot on. When Dewey C. and Greg S. taught me at SWC that is exactly what the technique consisted of. And when I came out of the "chimney" in the Nasty Nick, D.C. said he was happy to see someone who could work a rope properly. The other obstacles hadn't worn me down because I utilized the proper technique. Having been an avid rock climber helped a little, too. The scummy "pond" at the end sure sucked though.

:D

Cheers!

Mick