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Ambush Master
02-11-2008, 21:31
This could get interesting!!
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/d-s-hube/2008/02/11/another-flag-issue-obama
NousDefionsDoc
02-11-2008, 21:45
I miss Checito. There just aren't any good new Gs...
hunteran
02-11-2008, 21:52
Wow, I am really at a loss for words. That really pisses me off, if you want to be president, you better be damn proud to be an American!
MickFury
02-12-2008, 15:27
To be fair, this is the Houston Obama supporter's office, but you would think his supporters were politically savvy enough not to throw that up. Evidently not.
Surf n Turf
02-12-2008, 16:16
This could get interesting!!
Ambush Master,
Capitalism at it's Best ?? ----
http://www.zazzle.com/che_obama_t_shirt-235202296703979827
SnT
Lets see a potential CIC who was a Muslim and now he's not? Who refuse to honor the standard of this nation? Who detests the military? Who is endorsed by John Kerry and Ted (hic) Kennedy, and Louis Faraquan? And the liberals compare Barack Hussein Obama to Kennedy. No, Barack you aint no John F Kennedy.
warrottjr
02-12-2008, 17:01
Barak, Hitlery, McCain...I thought we were supposed to get a choice?
This needs to be in the main strean media. There is something very wrong with this guy and the in your face disrespect for the flag of our country. Why are people not seeing this?
x-factor
02-12-2008, 22:52
That picture is something. I think its safe to call Florida for McCain now.
nmmirich
02-13-2008, 04:10
[QUOTE=swpa19;199217]Lets see a potential CIC who was a Muslim and now he's not? Who refuse to honor the standard of this nation? Who detests the military?
Where did you find this information?:confused:
warrottjr
02-13-2008, 05:00
Where did you find this information?
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/muslim.asp
"Claim: Illinois Senator Barack Obama is a 'radical Muslim' who 'will not recite the Pledge of Allegiance.'
"Status: False"
nmmirich
02-13-2008, 14:16
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/muslim.asp
"Claim: Illinois Senator Barack Obama is a 'radical Muslim' who 'will not recite the Pledge of Allegiance.'
"Status: False"
I agree that internet chain letter has been universally discredited.
Bracholi
02-13-2008, 14:49
Why in the world wouldn't he take on a Christian name if he didn't want to be seen as a Muslim... His name alone makes him Muslim whether he follows the Christian faith or not.
I agree that internet chain letter has been universally discredited.
This is the one, That is True. Has to do with National Athem being played
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/anthem.asp
Why in the world wouldn't he take on a Christian name if he didn't want to be seen as a Muslim... His name alone makes him Muslim whether he follows the Christian faith or not.
My legal name is 2 letters am I no longer allowed to be Christian?
I agree that internet chain letter has been universally discredited.
Im not quite sure if the chain letter has been "Universally" discredited or not. From what Ive read it was CNN that did the investigating into this letter.
I dont put much faith into CNN's investigations. Can you say Peter Arnett? April Oliver? Operation Tailwind?
nmmirich
02-13-2008, 17:43
[QUOTE=swpa19;199388]Im not quite sure if the chain letter has been "Universally" discredited or not. From what Ive read it was CNN that did the investigating into this letter.
I believe most news organizations including MSNBC and the US ARMY have also discredited the letter.
http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2008/01/military_warns.html
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2007/11/obama_nabbed_by_the_patriotic.html
If the information was true I dont think it would be disseminated in an anonymous chain letter. Most chain letters end with "if you don’t send this to eight others you will face some morbid fait."I regularly delete them and am still kicking.
I believe he does not wear an American Flag pin on his lapel because he feels it is jingoistic. It does however bring unwanted attention to his uncommon attributes. However to be fair my father, uncles and grandfathers never wore one either and they are all veterans.
There are some disreputable letters questioning John McCain’s patriotism as well.
http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2004/03/21/the_anatomy_of_a_smear_campaign/
http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnmccain.com/
From Texas more on the topic.
http://lonestartimes.com/2008/02/13/ocf2/
nmmirich
02-13-2008, 19:54
wow, he really needs to get rid of that volunteer before this story gains traction.:munchin
Obama May Face Grilling on Patriotism
Saturday, February 23, 2008 12:30 PM
newsmax.com
WASHINGTON -- Sen. Barack Obama's refusal to wear an American flag lapel pin along with a photo of him not putting his hand over his heart during the National Anthem led conservatives on Internet and in the media to question his patriotism.
Now Obama's wife, Michelle, has drawn their ire, too, for saying recently that she's really proud of her country for the first time in her adult life.
Conservative consultants say that combined, the cases could be an issue for Obama in the general election if he wins the nomination, especially as he runs against Vietnam war hero Sen. John McCain.
"The reason it hasn't been an issue so far is that we're still in the microcosm of the Democratic primary," said Republican consultant Roger Stone. "Many Americans will find the three things offensive. Barack Obama is out of the McGovern wing of the party, and he is part of the blame America first crowd."
Opponents of Sen. John Kerry proved in the 2004 election that voters are sensitive to suggestions that a candidate is not sufficiently patriotic. The Democratic presidential nominee's campaign was torpedoed by critics of his Vietnam War record called the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, even though he won multiple military honors and was lauded by his superiors.
The Swift Boat campaign started as a relatively small television ad buy that exploded into an issue that dogged Kerry for months. The Massachusetts senator has conceded since losing to President Bush that the campaign and his lackluster response to unsubstantiated allegations he considered unworthy of a reaction likely cost him the election. And the term even became part of the campaign lexicon _ swift boating.
Obama already is the subject of a shadowy smear campaign based on the Internet that falsely suggests he's a Muslim intent on destroying the United States. Obama is a Christian and has been fighting the e-mail hoax, which also claims he doesn't put his hand over his heart during the Pledge of Allegiance, and he's been trying to correct the misinformation.
"Whenever I'm in the United States Senate, I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America," Obama frequently tells voters.
"I've been going to the same church for 20 years, praising Jesus," he adds.
Retired Major General Scott Gration, an Obama military adviser, said he expects the attacks will only increase if Obama wins the Democratic nomination.
"People are projecting things and taking things out of context," Gration said. "There's absolutely no question in my mind that Michelle and Barack are extremely patriotic, appreciate our freedoms and our values and everything else that the flag represents."
Officials with the McCain campaign and the Republican Party say they won't be suggesting Obama is less than patriotic, and instead plan to focus their criticisms on his record and inexperience if he wins the nomination. Well-funded outside groups, however, consider anything fair game.
Conservative Republican consultant Keith Appell, who worked with the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, said Obama's opposition to the war will create a "striking contrast between McCain the war hero and Obama the poster child for the anti-war movement."
"If you are McCain, you want to play up the decorated war hero, loves his country, served his country," Appell said. "You want to play those themes up as much as possible, especially in comparison to Obama and his role in the anti-war movement."
On Monday, Michelle Obama told an audience in Milwaukee, "For the first time in my adult life, I am really proud of my country. Not just because Barack is doing well, but I think people are hungry for change."
Cindy McCain, McCain's wife, days later responded by saying, "I have, and always will be, proud of my country." Barack Obama has expressed frustration that his wife's remarks had been taken out of context and turned into political fodder _ both the Obamas say she was talking about politics in the United States, not the country itself.
Last summer, Obama was photographed by Time magazine at an event in Iowa standing with his hands folded during the national anthem. His primary rivals Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton and New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson appear beside him, with their hands on their hearts.
It has been repeatedly reported that the moment came during the Pledge of Allegiance, but that's not the case.
In October, Obama told Iowa television station KCRG that he decided to stop wearing a U.S. flag lapel pin during the run-up to the Iraq war because it had become "a substitute for, I think, true patriotism."
"I decided I won't wear that pin on my chest. Instead, I'm going to try to tell the American people what I believe will make this country great and, hopefully, that will be a testimony to my patriotism," Obama said.
Obama's comments led conservatives and media commentators to question his patriotism.
"First he kicked his American flag pin to the curb. Now Barack Obama has a new round of patriotism problems. Wait until you hear what the White House hopeful didn't do during the singing of the national anthem," said Steve Doocy, co-host of "Fox and Friends" on the Fox News Channel.
"He felt it OK to come out of the closet as the domestic insurgent he is," former radio host Mark Williams said on Fox.
Gration said he had a copy of the national anthem photo e-mailed to him by a friend who didn't know the facts and questioned how a military man could support someone who doesn't honor the Pledge of Allegiance.
"I go to baseball games and football games and there's just a minority of us who put our hands over our heart. It's not an indication of patriotism," Gration said. Gration said he personally wears a flag pin, but "if I meet someone who doesn't have a lapel pin, it doesn't mean they are more or less patriotic than I am."
And, he added, "I don't think you can find Barack again not putting his hand over his heart at the national anthem."
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.....Opponents of Sen. John Kerry proved in the 2004 election that voters are sensitive to suggestions that a candidate is not sufficiently patriotic. The Democratic presidential nominee's campaign was torpedoed by critics of his Vietnam War record called the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, even though he won multiple military honors and was lauded by his superiors.
The Swift Boat campaign started as a relatively small television ad buy that exploded into an issue that dogged Kerry for months. The Massachusetts senator has conceded since losing to President Bush that the campaign and his lackluster response to unsubstantiated allegations he considered unworthy of a reaction likely cost him the election. And the term even became part of the campaign lexicon _ swift boating........___
Once again they (MSM & libs) don't get it. The Swift Boat Vets simply told the truth and asked kerry to do the same.
Hey kerry - where is that 180 you said you would sign. We're still waiting.
Is anyone making the leap as I am for the lack of respect for the Flag (refusing to wear a lapel pin or saluting the flag) to his church membership?
The Reaper
03-17-2008, 14:54
Is anyone making the leap as I am for the lack of respect for the Flag (refusing to wear a lapel pin or saluting the flag) to his church membership?
And his wife's comments?
I am sure that most of the Obama maniacs are not.:rolleyes:
TR
Jeremiah Was My Pastor (http://www.dat-e-baseonline.com/front/a.asp?arg=8F7D995F927B79606670737A628B73798C6E7873 7E81)
From Rush...take it for what it is worth.
I know I am all over the place with this guy, but regardless of your political position, I just finished watching the Obama speech. The word Historic would apply. An impressive delivery. Now if can answer the flag issue.
You can read the speech on the web @ the International Herald Tribune site
longrange1947
03-18-2008, 13:05
Historic or Histrionic? :munchin
Historic or Histrionic? :munchin
The latter...IMO.
How he refuses to distance himself from his "pastor" is beyond me. Then again, it points to his lack of SA. Can you imagine if he wins the presidency...and having that guy hanging out in the White House? What other kinds of people will Obama surround himself with...
The Reaper
03-18-2008, 19:11
Let's say John McCain had David Duke as a pastor, and had sat in his church for 20 years. IMHO, a hater is a hater.
How long would it take for people to forget that fact, and how eloquent would his speech have to be to win black Americans back into voting for him?
I just do not see it happening, ever.
Obama listened to that for twenty years, and it did not drive him to confront the pastor or leave, then he believes it as well, and tolerates it.
TR
Let's say John McCain had David Duke as a pastor, and had sat in his church for 20 years. IMHO, a hater is a hater.
How long would it take for people to forget that fact, and how eloquent would his speech have to be to win black Americans back into voting for him?
I just do not see it happening, ever.
Obama listened to that for twenty years, and it did not drive him to confront the pastor or leave, then he believes it as well, and tolerates it.
TR
Agree heartily. If he (or anyone) doesn't condemn the hate talk, then to me it is the same as condoning it.
CoLawman
03-18-2008, 19:54
Very very eloquent! It was not pursuasive, which was the intent, in my opinion. I am sure his "White" grandmother is quite proud that he used her as an example of racism in America.
Historic? Perhaps, but not for the reason Penn might suggest. I think it is historic as we have had two presidential candidates in the same year forced to defend their religions. My thought is Romney's religion was his undoing, just as Obama's will now undo him.
Trip_Wire (RIP)
03-18-2008, 20:00
Speaking of flags, Obama doesn't wear the usual flag pin, because he has it in his heart, or some BS statement like that. Today during his 'speech' he was surrounded by flags on both sides of the lectern. He seemed to want to wrap himself with our flag today!
This guy is a menace! :eek:
The Reaper
03-19-2008, 05:06
Speaking of flags, Obama doesn't wear the usual flag pin, because he has it in his heart, or some BS statement like that. Today during his 'speech' he was surrounded by flags on both sides of the lectern. He seemed to want to wrap himself with our flag today!
This guy is a menace! :eek:
I noticed the same thing.
TR
The MSM has picked who will win this year's presidential election.
It will be BHO.
They will now roll into full support mode for their guy.
Guys - this election will be based on turnout.
Mac is doing nothing to pump what he thinks is his base - in fact he thinks he don't need them. He thinks he can win with the moderates. A little bleeding of support and more than a few votes there.
Hill and BHO will drag it out a bit longer but in the end BHO will take it. Some POed Hill supports will sit it out but the majority will fall into line and trudge out to vote for BHO.
All the crossover voters, sit it outs, vote for the other guy people will be swamped by the black vote. Turnout is key and they will be pumped - BHO is "Their Guy".
When was the last time presidential candidates came to NC? Well NC is in the race and I'll guess at 0600 on May 6th I'll be at the end of a long line of African-Americans waiting to case a vote for "Their Guy".
Turnout is the key folks, Turnout.
Speaking of flags, Obama doesn't wear the usual flag pin, because he has it in his heart, or some BS statement like that. Today during his 'speech' he was surrounded by flags on both sides of the lectern. He seemed to want to wrap himself with our flag today!
This guy is a menace! :eek:Stay safe.
longrange1947
03-19-2008, 12:04
Guy - You missed the pic with his hand over his heart, it is in the Fayetteville newspaper. Of course he speaks, or babbles, here today.
Guy - You missed the pic with his hand over his heart, it is in the Fayetteville newspaper. Of course he speaks, or babbles, here today.I haven't seen the "hand-over-heart" stuff however; I've seen him babble when the scenario ain't scripted.:o
I'll bet you $100...I'd have him confused within 15min if we were speak face-to-face....GOD forbid if we were to talk over beer!:D
I'm still pissed off about him talking shit about Reagan!:mad:
Stay safe.
Peregrino
03-19-2008, 21:11
A little food for thought. Well worth the read; mirrors TR's comment about double standards.
The Barack Obama Double Standard
By Doug Patton
March 17, 2008
Imagine in 1999, that a videotape had come to light showing the pastor of Texas Gov. George W. Bush's church making vicious, hateful comments about America and cruel, racist statements about Americans of color.
Suppose this preacher had given a lifetime achievement award to former Ku Klux Klan leader David Duke, and had traveled to Europe with Duke to meet with neo-Nazi terrorists.
Now try to envision that the candidate's family had attended this church for more than twenty years, that George and Laura Bush had been married there, by this pastor, and that the Bush daughters had been baptized by him.
Picture George Bush titling his autobiography after a phrase in one of this minister's sermons, writing that the man was his mentor, and then putting him on the presidential campaign staff as a trusted advisor and confidant.
Say it came to light that for several years George W. Bush had been friends with Eric Rudolph, the notorious Olympic Park bomber and anti-abortion terrorist. Furthermore, let's suppose that Bush had remained friends with Rudolph over the years and still considered him a colleague today.
Now imagine Laura Bush, on the campaign trail for her husband, telling supporters and the national media that America is "mean" and that for the first time in her adult life she was proud of her country.
Is there a doubt that Republican officeholders would have run from the Bush campaign like rats from a burning barn, that he would have become the political leper of the 2000 campaign? And what about the media? They virtually crucified candidate Bush that year for daring to give a speech at Bob Jones University, which had once banned interracial dating. I cannot imagine the field day they would have had with something like this.
And yet excuses are made for Barack Obama, who now finds himself in exactly this situation. Obama's pastor of more than two decades - the man who married Barack and Michelle Obama, who christened their daughters, who inspired the title of the candidate's book, "The Audacity of Hope," - is now at the center of a storm that would have destroyed the candidacy of any Republican the day the story broke.
Rev. Jeremiah Wright, pastor of Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago for the last 36 years, has been caught on tape denouncing the United States and the white race in terms that should shock and disgust every thinking American. Wright and the church swear allegiance to the "mother country" - Africa. (Presumably this includes the Obama family.)
Rather than trying to infuse his congregation with hope and encouragement, Wright poisons them with vitriol about how the U.S. government has tried to commit genocide against the black community using drugs and the AIDS virus as weapons of choice.
"Don't say God bless America," Wright screams in one sermon. "God damn America!"
Wright, representing the church, bestowed a lifetime achievement award on Louis Farrakhan, the racist leader of the Nation of Islam. In the 1980s, Wright traveled to Libya with Farrakhan to meet with Muammar Gaddafi.
If Barack Obama has not been paying attention in church, it is apparent that his wife, Michelle, has. Campaigning for her husband recently, she said that for the first time in her adult life, she is finally proud of her country. In a separate speech, she said America is "a mean country."
Obama is friends with William Ayers, an admitted domestic terrorist with the Weather Underground, which declared war on the United States and claimed responsibility for bombing several government buildings, including the Pentagon and the State Department building, in the 1970s. In an interview with The New York Times, ironically published on the morning of September 11, 2001, Ayers was quoted as saying, "I don't regret setting bombs; I feel we didn't do enough."
Now a tenured professor at the University of Chicago (only in America!), Ayers met Barack Obama in the 1990s. They have remained friends ever since.
We are judged not just by our words, but by the company we keep. The litmus test should not be whether or not everyone a candidate knows is ideal. That is an impossible standard. The true measure of a man is in his ability to choose friends with which he can be proud to stand shoulder to shoulder, not those about whom he must equivocate and for whom he must apologize.
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Doug Patton is a freelance columnist who has served as a political speechwriter and public policy advisor. His weekly columns are published in newspapers across the country and on selected Internet web sites, including Human Events Online, TheConservativeVoice.com and GOPUSA.com, where he is a senior writer and state editor. Readers may e-mail him at dougpatton@cox.net.
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Note -- The opinions expressed in this column are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the opinions, views, and/or philosophy of GOPUSA. (But they damned sure reflect mine! Not condemning is the same as condoning. Barack Hussain Obama is a racist. You cannot convince me he was ignorant of his pastor's true character. Nor can you convince me that he did not hold the selfsame views. 20 years of association, especially one as close as Obama claims (before denial became politically expedient), tells me they are kindred spirits. His current protestations reek of political jeopardy and desperate attempts at damage control. Peregrino)
Moving Target
03-19-2008, 21:59
Obama's charisma and powerful rhetoric will ensure that the uninformed are strongly in his camp.
I wish my peers would take some time to review the candidates' opinions and stances, I'm getting tired of college kids saying "Obama is my dude" without even having a clue what the man stands for.
Trip_Wire (RIP)
03-20-2008, 15:27
Some anti-Obama Videos on youtube from an Atlanta AF Minister. There seems to be other videos there as well.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=khuu-RhOBDU
http://youtube.com/watch?v=6Op5or_vkcc
Some anti-Obama Videos on youtube from an Atlanta AF Minister. There seems to be other videos there as well.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=khuu-RhOBDU
http://youtube.com/watch?v=6Op5or_vkccROTFLMMFAO!
Can we move this to the comedy section????
Stay safe.
Ret10Echo
01-17-2009, 16:35
Speaking of flags, Obama doesn't wear the usual flag pin, because he has it in his heart, or some BS statement like that. Today during his 'speech' he was surrounded by flags on both sides of the lectern. He seemed to want to wrap himself with our flag today!
Bump to the necropost...
BHO has taken to wearing the American Flag lapel pin.....and wears one in his official photo.
Grandstanding and double speak. More to follow I'm sure.
While engaged in a conversation with a Obamite during my commute I told her that the American people should be prepared for the let-down as reality sinks into the young senator's world. The blank stare was priceless...
D9 (RIP)
01-18-2009, 16:48
I'm in Europe at the moment and the excitement over him is palpable. You cannot engage anyone in conversation without the topic inexorably gravitating to an Obama/Bush comparison.
"What do you think he's really going to do?" is my favorite question.
I never really get any answer - of course.
Racial equality is about to proven sure enough, but not in the anticipated way:
People are about to see that being black in the Oval Office doesn't guarantee success any more than being white in the same post does.
I predict: a muddle through the next four years with a specious trend towards socialism, but nothing spectacular.
In the mean time, I'm looking for real estate in Montana and working on my manifesto.
Electron
01-19-2009, 14:55
I thought it was a given for the President of the United States to honor the United States. :confused:
Why couldn't Palin be elected just because she's hot?