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echoes
01-26-2008, 12:51
Just saw this on Fox, and thought it interesting. There are "Protestors!" :rolleyes:

Geez, my Grandpa used to hunt when I was little, and he was my hero!:lifter


http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2008Jan26/0,4670,TooManyDeer,00.html

NJ Hunt Planned to Thin Numbers of Deer
Saturday, January 26, 2008
By REBECCA SANTANA, Associated Press Writer


WEST ORANGE, N.J. — Sharpshooters will take to the trees next week in northern New Jersey's South Mountain Reservation to deal with a problem that has become the scourge of many suburban communities: too many deer.

Proponents of the 10-day hunt say the number of white-tailed deer must be reduced because they destroy vegetation, pose a hazard for motorists and spread Lyme disease, which is carried by ticks on the deer.

"What we're doing on Tuesday is not something that I want to do. It is something that we have to do," said Essex County Executive Joseph N. DiVincenzo Jr., speaking to reporters and protesters Friday. "We just have too many deer on our property."

The state Department of Environmental Protection and leaders of the four municipalities around the reservation have signed off on the hunt. But animal rights activists have criticized it; they prefer a nonlethal alternative such as contraceptives. And some residents worry the shooting will be too close to homes and businesses.

At a contentious news conference Friday, DiVincenzo and proponents of the hunt laid out the reasons for it and how it would be conducted.

Hunt opponents held signs calling for the protection of the animals.
At one point, as a consultant hired by the county described how hunters could shoot young deer, a protester called out, "We call them Bambi!"

The hunt in the 2,000-acre reservation, a picturesque area of woodlands, streams and trails, with views of New York City, is scheduled to start Jan. 29 and continue every Tuesday and Thursday through Feb. 28. A team of 15 volunteer hunters who've gone through a special training course will be allowed to shoot deer from perches in trees.

In preparation for the hunt, corn has already been laid at areas near the tree perches as bait.

Notices warning residents about the hunt have been mailed out, and DiVincenzo has been meeting with residents in the communities bordering the reservation to address safety concerns.

On hunt days, roads going in to the reservation will be closed. Hunters must stay at least 450 feet from any residences and shoot in a downward direction so errant shots hit the ground.

The deer population has grown so much that deer are chewing through all of the underbrush in the reservation and destroying people's gardens and lawns in areas bordering the preserve, DiVincenzo said. Unless the herd is soon culled, many may starve, he added.

The preserve can sustain about 60 deer, but an estimated 300-400 deer were living in the reservation, DiVincenzo said. Opponents of the hunt say the number is much less.

Carol Rivelli, who carried a large red sign reading "Save South Mountain Preservation," said more emphasis should be placed on nonlethal methods. She also questioned the hunt's safety.

"I live right next to the reservation, and safety and danger are my main concern," Rivelli said.

Seven New Jersey municipalities applied for permits to cull deer during the 2007-2008 season, said DEP spokeswoman Darlene Yuhas. Municipalities that demonstrate deer are damaging the environment or becoming a hazard for vehicles can apply to have a controlled hunt.

GratefulCitizen
01-26-2008, 16:23
I don't hunt, never have.
(other than clearing prarie dogs from ranch land -- not really hunting)

That being said, I fully support hunting as a sport, agriculture, and a merciful method of wildlife control.

Whenever I encounter one of these tree-huggers who want to conduct funeral services for harvested deer, I point out something simple.

Animals in the wild, if they die of a "natural" method, generally either starve to death or are eaten alive.

A .30 caliber bullet through the vitals would seem to be more merciful.

longrange1947
01-26-2008, 21:45
These stupid asses do not understand that the deer, or Bambi for the idiots (First anti-hunting movie), will die a death of starvation and the death rate will be much higher than if the herd were culled.

PETA, people eating tasty animals, really do not give a dam about animals, they just like to stir s**t up. Look at how they treat the animals in their own shelters.

sofmed
01-26-2008, 23:57
Just saw this on Fox, and thought it interesting. There are "Protestors!" :rolleyes:

Geez, my Grandpa used to hunt when I was little, and he was my hero!:lifter




But animal rights activists have criticized it; they prefer a nonlethal alternative such as contraceptives.




I'd like to see the treehugging fanatics attempt placing a condom on a buck in the rut. That would be entertaining! :munchin

Spartan359
01-27-2008, 02:32
I'd like to see the treehugging fanatics attempt placing a condom on a buck in the rut. That would be entertaining! :munchin

Would it look something like this? :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcGqqBSV7o4

Jack Moroney (RIP)
01-27-2008, 06:06
For those of you that want some statistical evidence to support why the herd needs to be culled, google Kaibab Plateau. Deer are interesting critters, but in NJ they have taken on the characteristics of rats with hooves. The population dynamics will eventually take care of the problem but not without some nasty consequences both for the tree huggers and the deer. Deer fertility will actually decrease when the food is not there to support embryo. The egg will be reabsorbed by the uterus. Probably more than you wanted to know, but then there it is.

GratefulCitizen
01-27-2008, 10:43
For those of you that want some statistical evidence to support why the herd needs to be culled, google Kaibab Plateau. Deer are interesting critters, but in NJ they have taken on the characteristics of rats with hooves. The population dynamics will eventually take care of the problem but not without some nasty consequences both for the tree huggers and the deer. Deer fertility will actually decrease when the food is not there to support embryo. The egg will be reabsorbed by the uterus. Probably more than you wanted to know, but then there it is.

The Kaibab herd is "culled" every spring by vehicles when they migrate south from the Grand Staircase-Escalante (also known as the Clinton land-grab).

During the migration, the Utah wildlife guys are constantly out there on Hwy 89 with a big truck and a Bobcat picking up carcasses.

Our Fredonia driver hits about 1 per year (up on the plateau) on the job.
I whacked at least one (it might have been a two-fer--night-time, hard to tell) a couple of springs ago on the job.

I don't worry about the deer, I worry about the humans.

Jack Moroney (RIP)
01-27-2008, 15:19
I don't worry about the deer, I worry about the humans.

No argument from me. I was referring to the escalation of the population after all the predators were removed and the resulting crash from disease back in the early 1900s. It is a case study for all we wildlife management majors (U of Maine ) . As far as predators in NJ, unless the local gangs do drive bys in and around the preserve and the deer get whacked as bystanders the only other recourse is to do what they are intending to do.

longrange1947
01-27-2008, 18:13
I'd like to see the treehugging fanatics attempt placing a condom on a buck in the rut. That would be entertaining! :munchin

Thanks, another ruined keyboard with coffee. :D

The Reaper
01-27-2008, 18:41
I hope that each and every one of them get a nice deer of their very own to hug and hold in the next year.

Right through the windshield.

TR

rubberneck
01-27-2008, 18:59
If Jon Corzine gets his way there won't be any hunting or fishing in the People's Republic. Don't bother with the logical arguments. The Government in Trenton is bought and paid for by the liberal special interests in the state.

It is a shame what NJ has turned into over the past 30 years because it was such a nice state to live in at one point. Now I spend my days trying to talk my wife into moving 70 miles west of us into Eastern Pa. There is no hope for good people in NJ.

Patriot007
01-27-2008, 21:42
Now I spend my days trying to talk my wife into moving 70 miles west of us into Eastern Pa. There is no hope for good people in NJ.

We'd love to have you! How about a trade and we'll send some we don't want your way?

We have our share of deer problems here in PA too. I have a friend who lost a brother when a deer went through his windshield.

I think all of the protesting anti-gun tree-huggers should see a video of a deer after it is struck by a car but isn't lucky enough to have been killed. I've seen it a number of times and the LE officers' .40s have never looked so merciful.

echoes
01-28-2008, 13:30
As far as predators in NJ, unless the local gangs do drive bys in and around the preserve and the deer get whacked as bystanders the only other recourse is to do what they are intending to do.

Col Sir,

LOL! :D

I hope that each and every one of them get a nice deer of their very own to hug and hold in the next year.
Right through the windshield.

TR

TR Sir,

So true!:lifter

Holly

SilkRider32
01-28-2008, 13:59
When deer get overpopulated it is not a pretty sight. Here in this state there was a place where two rivers met and in that area deer were overpopulated, they ate everything on the ground to as far up as they could reach on their hind legs. In that area it was bare nothing for them to eat. They were dying of disease and suffering from parasites. It was really pityful how they were living. Finally they opened the season up so that you could kill as many as you wanted to for one season in this area and it brought the population under control and the herd's health improved. Hunting is the best tool for controlling animal population and is also the most humane. Letting them alone will only cause mass suffering.

rourke
01-28-2008, 15:15
I've never hunted deer myself either but I happened to put one down a year or so ago that had been hit by a car and laid in front of my parents house for a little over a day. I guess the tree huggers would see the animal lay there in misery rather than to humanely end the suffering. It just so happened that this was on a Sunday and someone driving by called the law on me. The deputy that responded asked me what happened and was back in his vehicle on his way within five seconds of my reply.

sf11b_p
01-29-2008, 02:20
They're obviously in need of some good venison recipes in New Jersey.

colmurph
01-30-2008, 07:22
The deer herd in NJ is too large for the local biosphere to adequately support. The deer here in south Jersey are scrawny and about 15% of them do not survive the first frost. The same problem is happening in Fairmount Park in Philadelphia. There is a huge deer population that has spread from the confines of the park and is busily defoliating the yards of everybody that lives nearby. There is absolutely no new growth in the park and estimates are that the park will cease to exist as woodland in about 50 years as the old trees die off and are not replaced by new growth which is devoured by the deer as soon as it sprouts. The only hope for Fairmount park is a controlled culling of the herd which has been vehemently opposed by the "Treee Huggers" (who soon, will be out of trees to hug). The only other possible option is if the local Coyote-Wolf hybrid population finds Fairmount Park and starts culling the herd. Wonder what the PETA folks will be saying when the Coyotes start feasting on backyard pets.