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echoes
12-13-2007, 15:07
What the??? :munchin

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,316645,00.html


NEW YORK — Roger Clemens, Miguel Tejada and Andy Pettitte were named in the long-awaited Mitchell Report on Thursday, an All-Star roster linked to steroids and other performance-enhancing drugs that put a question mark -- if not an asterisk -- next to some of baseball's biggest moments.

Barry Bonds, already under indictment on charges of lying to a federal grand jury about steroids, and Gary Sheffield also showed up in baseball's most infamous lineup since the Black Sox scandal.

The report culminated a 20-month investigation by former Senate Majority Leader George Mitchell, hired by commissioner Bud Selig to examine the Steroids Era.

"Everyone involved in baseball over the past two decades -- commissioners, club officials, the players' association and players -- shares to some extent the responsibility for the steroids era," Mitchell said. "There was a collective failure to recognize the problem as it emerged and to deal with it early on."

- Click here for a timeline of steroids in Major League Baseball.

- Click here for a list of players suspended by Major League Baseball's drug policy.

Mitchell recommended that the drug-testing program be made independent, that a list of the substances players test positive for be listed periodically and that the timing of testing be more unpredictable.

Eric Gagne, Jason Giambi, Troy Glaus, Gary Matthews Jr., Jose Guillen, Brian Roberts, Paul Lo Duca and Rick Ankiel were among other current players named in the report -- in fact, there's an All-Star at every position. Some were linked to Human Growth Hormone, others to steroids.

Clemens was singled out in nearly nine pages, with much of the information on the seven-time Cy Young Award winner coming from former New York Yankees major league strength and conditioning coach Brian McNamee. More than a dozen Yankees, past and present, were among the 80-plus players identified.

Players were linked to doping in various ways -- some were identified as users, some as buyers and some by media reports and other investigations. Jose Canseco's book "Juiced" also was cited.

"According to McNamee, from the time that McNamee injected Clemens with Winstrol through the end of the 1998 season, Clemens' performance showed remarkable improvement," the report said. "During this period of improved performance, Clemens told McNamee that the steroids 'had a pretty good effect' on him."

McNamee also told investigators that "during the middle of the 2000 season, Clemens made it clear that he was ready to use steroids again. During the latter part of the regular season, McNamee injected Clemens in the buttocks four to six times with testosterone from a bottle labeled either Sustanon 250 or Deca-Durabolin."

Mitchell urged Selig to hold off on punishing players in the report "except in those cases where he determines that the conduct is so serious that discipline is necessary to maintain the integrity of the game."

Several stars named in the report could pay the price in Cooperstown, much the way Mark McGwire was kept out of the Hall of Fame this year merely because of steroids suspicion.

"Former commissioner Fay Vincent told me that the problem of performance-enhancing substances may be the most serious challenge that baseball has faced since the 1919 Black Sox scandal," Mitchell said in the 409-page report.

"The illegal use of anabolic steroids and similar substances, in Vincent's view, is 'cheating of the worst sort.' He believes that it is imperative for Major League Baseball to 'capture the moral high ground' on the issue and, by words and deeds, make it clear that baseball will not tolerate the use of steroids and other performance-enhancing drugs."

Rafael Palmeiro, who tested positive for steroids, was among the former players named. So were Kevin Brown, Benito Santiago, Lenny Dykstra, Chuck Knoblauch, David Justice and Mo Vaughn.

"We identify some of the players who were caught up in this drive to gain a competitive advantage," the report said. "Other investigations will no doubt turn up more names and fill in more details, but that is unlikely to significantly alter the description of baseball's `steroids era' as set forth in this report."

"The illegal use in baseball of these substances also victimize the majority of players who don't use them. We heard from many former players who believe it was grossly unfair that the users were gaining an advantage," Mitchell said.

Mitchell is a director of the Boston Red Sox, and some questioned whether that created a conflict.

"Judge me by my work," Mitchell said. "You will not find any evidence of bias, special treatment, for the Red Sox or anyone else. That had no effect on this investigation or this report, none whatsoever."

Giambi, under threat of discipline from Selig, was the only current player known to have cooperated with the Mitchell investigation.

"The players' union was largely uncooperative for reasons that I thought were largely understandable," Mitchell said.

kgoerz
12-13-2007, 17:00
steroids era

I heard that title used a lot lately. Looks like they will just let the Records stand but make it known that this was the era of wide Steroid use and drive on. IMO, MLB is the one to blame for not enforcing any type of testing. Players were just doing what they had to do to be the best there is.

brownapple
12-13-2007, 21:01
I read the report. Really, it's intended to do one thing. Cover the ass of the commissioner. It is far from being comprehensive or impartial.

Goggles Pizano
12-14-2007, 08:39
I read the report. Really, it's intended to do one thing. Cover the ass of the commissioner. It is far from being comprehensive or impartial.

Spot on Sir.

Roguish Lawyer
12-14-2007, 09:59
I read the report. Really, it's intended to do one thing. Cover the ass of the commissioner. It is far from being comprehensive or impartial.

I thought it was pretty critical of the commissioner.

brownapple
12-16-2007, 11:16
I thought it was pretty critical of the commissioner.


Reread pages 42-59.

Team Sergeant
12-16-2007, 12:13
Steroids, HGH, cocaine etc IMO, have placed the NFL, NBL MLB in the same category as pro wrestling.

They are no longer serious sports, just a bunch of convicts, felons, etc doing drugs for personal gain.

What’s sad is the lack of concern on the part of the fans, they really do not give a rat’s ass who’s doing drugs and the fact it gives the "players" a very unfair advantage.

You could not pay me to watch any of the above mentioned "sports".

Team Sergeant

jatx
12-16-2007, 13:14
You could not pay me to watch any of the above mentioned "sports".

Team Sergeant


Agreed on all points. I have a hard time being a "fan" of men whom I would not share a meal with, in many cases.

I recall EPO hit cycling very hard during my last couple of years in the sport. The choice was very clear...get juiced or get out! In one year, winning time trial times dropped 5-10% across the board (in a sport where victory is won by tenths of a second). IMHO, the sport has never recovered and more are circling the drain every year.

Sadly, the integrity level of our athletes is a reflection of our society's values, viewed through a funhouse mirror.

kgoerz
12-16-2007, 14:40
Steroids, HGH, cocaine etc IMO, have placed the NFL, NBL MLB in the same category as pro wrestling.

They are no longer serious sports, just a bunch of convicts, felons, etc doing drugs for personal gain.

What’s sad is the lack of concern on the part of the fans, they really do not give a rat’s ass who’s doing drugs and the fact it gives the "players" a very unfair advantage.

You could not pay me to watch any of the above mentioned "sports".

Team Sergeant

Hemingway said the only real Sports Men compete in are Mountain Climbing, Bull Fighting and Car Racing. Everything else is just grown men playing a boys game.

GratefulCitizen
12-16-2007, 16:18
"On the fields of friendly strife are sown the seeds that on other days and other fields will bear the fruits of victory."
-General Douglas MacArthur

There are fewer role models to be found in the arena of professional athletics with each passing year.

I hope those who coach our youth will try to instill a sense of honor in them.

The consequences are far-reaching.

echoes
12-16-2007, 18:10
There are fewer role models to be found in the arena of professional athletics with each passing year.

You know what, personally I do not think Pro Athletes should be looked to as role models by anyone. It sells more ad dollars to promote them as such, but reality is they are just people with good athletic abilities.

If I ever have children, the "role models" will be United States Servicemen and women, that protect us from all enemies.

Just my.02

Holly

bricklayer
12-28-2007, 23:36
None of this came as a shock to me at all, but as a young kid I followed baseball very close and these men in my eyes were it! After having seen Jose Canseco, Mark McGuire, Barry Bonds and so forth go through this whole steroid ordeal I somewhat felt disgusted and betrayed. Fifteen years ago these were the players I had hanging on my wall and trading there baseball cards.
Like mentioned above, kids nowadays should have better role models than these phony losers! What is great about today is that kids and young adults have a wider variety of television channels such as Discovery, The Military Channel, Animal Planet, DTMS and so on. You would not believe the amount of young men coming up to the fishing docks wanting to go out fishing for a week because they were inspired by an episode of the deadliest catch. Or kids wanting to become Archaeologists because of a tomb that was uncovered live on televison. There will always be them young talented atheletes that are breed by there parents to become the best player, and I think there is nothing wrong with that. I am just glad that young people have more to look at now than they did years ago.

bricklayer
01-03-2008, 18:59
By RONALD BLUM, AP Baseball Writer
January 3, 2008

AP - Jan 3, 4:46 pm EST

NEW YORK (AP) -- Roger Clemens said former trainer Brian McNamee injected him with the painkiller lidocaine and the vitamin B-12, according to the first excerpts released from the pitcher's interview with CBS's "60 Minutes."

In the Mitchell report on doping in baseball, McNamee said he personally injected Clemens with steroids in 1998 while they were with the Toronto Blue Jays, and with steroids and human growth hormone in 2000 and 2001 while with the New York Yankees.

Clemens issued a video statement on Dec. 23 denying the accusations and plans to hold a news conference Monday, a day after the CBS interview is to be broadcast. Clemens' lawyer, Rusty Hardin, also has made repeated denials.

During the interview, recorded last Friday at Clemens' home in Katy, Texas, Clemens was asked whether McNamee had injected him with any drugs.

"Lidocaine and B-12," Clemens responded. "It's for my joints, and B-12 I still take today."

Lidocaine is a local anesthetic that can be used by dentists and in minor surgery. It also is available as part of ointments used to treat skin inflammation.

Clemens told CBS that McNamee's accusation was "ridiculous" and said he "never" used banned substances.

"Swear?" CBS's Mike Wallace asked Clemens.

"Swear," Clemens responded.

GratefulCitizen
01-03-2008, 22:16
NEW YORK (AP) -- Roger Clemens said former trainer Brian McNamee injected him with the painkiller lidocaine and the vitamin B-12, according to the first excerpts released from the pitcher's interview with CBS's "60 Minutes."


B-12 huh.

Several years ago I worked with some people who used steroids.

Dianabol (I think that was the one) typically had B-12 stacked with it in the injectable form.

A half-truth.

brownapple
01-04-2008, 02:01
B-12 huh.

Several years ago I worked with some people who used steroids.

Dianabol (I think that was the one) typically had B-12 stacked with it in the injectable form.

A half-truth.


McNamee is a self-admitted drug dealer and felon. Why would you take his word over Clemens?

Evidence? There is absolutely none. So, it's a matter of credibility. Even if you don't think Clemens has much, there is still the question of if McNamee has any at all.

bricklayer
01-04-2008, 09:25
I always took Clemens as a stand up guy, I cant see him using anything unless prescribed by a physician. You dont need to be a junkie just to pitch to one!