View Full Version : The uninvited guest: Chinese sub pops up in middle of U.S. Navy exercise
When the U.S. Navy deploys a battle fleet on exercises, it takes the security of its aircraft carriers very seriously indeed.
At least a dozen warships provide a physical guard while the technical wizardry of the world's only military superpower offers an invisible shield to detect and deter any intruders.
That is the theory. Or, rather, was the theory.
More at: LINK (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_article_id=492804&in_page_id=1)
My impression: China is going to be a player, and we are going to live in interesting times.
The Reaper
11-10-2007, 19:06
Could be having unrestricted access to a P-3 for a while helped them to analyze our ASW capabilities as well.
TR
x-factor
11-10-2007, 19:27
I wouldn't think that would be a contributor. The P-3 from the Hainan incident was an ELINT platform, not the ASW version.
Speaking of that episode though, the fact that the Air Force gave that pilot the Distinguished Flying Cross for landing the aircraft in China still baffles me.
EX-Gold Falcon
11-10-2007, 19:34
While it certainly made the US Navy look bad and perhaps asleep at the wheel; strategically it was a mistake for the Chinese to demonstrate a previously unknown capability. Thus giving our Navy the opportunity revise their current antisub SOPs to meet this new threat.
Showing your hand before the game has started isn't the smartest idea....
Travis
x-factor
11-10-2007, 19:43
Yes, but deterring the other guy from even showing up to play is the most effective method of all.
It will be interesting to see how/if Chinese foreign policy after the 2008 Olympics.
Jack Moroney (RIP)
11-10-2007, 20:08
It was probably a diesel sub, they are quieter than our nuc subs and unless you know what you are listening for they can climb right up your shorts.
x-factor
11-10-2007, 20:15
Thats right. All the press releases call it a Song-class (indigineously designed, diesel powered).
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/china/song.htm
Nmap - The date on your article is wrong (the webmaster probably typo'd the year). This occurred about a year ago.
...they can climb right up your shorts.
A-ha! Now I understand why the Navy allowed it. :D
Nmap - The date on your article is wrong (the webmaster probably typo'd the year). This occurred about a year ago.
I see you're correct - I did a quick Google news search and found it on the CBS site as of Nov. 14 of 2006.
Sorry about that. So much for being an early bird.
A-ha! Now I understand why the Navy allowed it. :D
You are soo wrong....LMAO
Spartan359
11-12-2007, 11:38
The Chinese were always messing with us when I was on the Hawk. Having one of their subs pop up next to her isn't much of a shock. That's not the first time they've done that and it won't be the last. They've even had the stones to have two of their Migs buzz us a couple of times. I guess being greeted by six Tomcats ruined their fun. They have done other things but I think it runs the risk of breaking OPSEC if I mention them. I'm sure the new captain was pretty pissed at the sight of that thing though. :D
Bill Harsey
11-12-2007, 16:31
Did the Chinese sub have a banner flying from the sail that read, "Go Hillary"?
Remington Raidr
11-12-2007, 17:22
Did the Chinese sub have a banner flying from the sail that read, "Go Hillary"?
or large bundles of campaign contributions. OOPS, thought this was the port of L.A.:D
Roguish Lawyer
11-12-2007, 22:31
Did the Chinese sub have a banner flying from the sail that read, "Go Hillary"?
LMAO
I had read this happened with Chinese Navy personnel on board the carrier observing as guests, which was rather embarassing for the Navy supposedly, is that true? I also read China was sneaking subs in around Japan, and that Japan threatened if it kept happening, they'd start sinking them.
I could believe they might have observers aboard. NATO exercises required WARSAW pact observers during exercises back when.
I seem to remember the Japanese supplied the Chinese with computer technology to machine "quiet" screws for subs some years ago. Until they did only U.S. subs had that edge.