View Full Version : Che Guevara was a murderous thug
rubberneck
10-10-2007, 15:01
Knowing the following Che has in these parts ;), I thought you guys would enjoy this Op-ed piece.
http://www.examiner.com/a-980934~Jay_Ambrose__Che_Guevara_was_a_murderous_th ug.html
Jay Ambrose: Che Guevara was a murderous thug
Oct 10, 2007 3:00 AM (13 hrs ago)
by Jay Ambrose, The Examiner
WASHINGTON (Map, News) - Ernesto “Che” Guevara was executed 40 years ago this week, and the impulse to honor him is bursting out all over.
Celebrations are taking place in such places as Cuba, Bolivia and Ireland, a priest has called him a saint, and hosts of other people are likewise instructing us on what a hero he was, what a moral giant, what a fierce combatant for justice in an imperialist-threatened, inhumane world.
Not to interrupt the hallucinatory hosannas or anything, but it seems worth mentioning that there is another side to this story, the one that says Che was in fact a murderous, evil, obsessed thug who stands convicted of his vicious ideological fanaticism and cruelties by his own words as well as by his damnable deeds.
Perhaps the idolizers who wear the Che T-shirts are unaware of those words, as when he said that a true revolutionary had to hate so much that he would be pushed past ordinary human limits and become “an effective, violent, selective and cold killing machine.”
People who read this also read:
Perhaps they don't know that, after the Soviets took their nuclear missiles out of Cuba in 1962, he told a reporter he had hoped to “use them against the very heart of America, including New York City,” very likely killing some of those who would later put on those T-shirts, and otherwise making this particular fad less likely.
Perhaps the people who make Che-adoring movies — Robert Redford did it — or write adulatory pieces about Fidel Castro's henchman are ignorant of how Che recklessly exterminated people who had been proven guilty of absolutely nothing, sometimes shooting them in the back of the neck himself.
Following the Castro takeover of Cuba in 1959, Che ran a Havana prison in which he killed, killed and then killed some more, and later helped start the labor camp system in which homosexuals and others considered undesirable were to be confined as nothing more than slaves.
None of this information is hard to come by. There are a number of easily accessible, well-researched, carefully documented, evidence-heavy articles reciting the truth, while telling us as well how Che’s economic guidance of Cuba's central bank was a disaster that further afflicted people who either learned to survive hunger-inducing totalitarianism or risk their lives fleeing the island.
Turn to these articles instead of to romantic fantasies, and you'll also learn how this Argentinean doctor left Cuba after an apparent falling out with Castro, fought in the Congo and then went to Bolivia to liberate peasants who were finding their lives improved without his aid and were intelligently wary of this crazed ideologue. That’s where he was caught and shot to death at the age of 39.
One writer speculates that a famous, endlessly reproduced photograph of a handsome, bold-looking Che is at least partly responsible for some coming to very nearly worship him as an unparalleled 20th-century fighter for societal righteousness.
Maybe so. Images can be powerful that way. But as the writer recognizes, it is hardly excusable for this or any other reason that anyone who has delved into the story of this cruel, Hitler-like, 20th century scourge to preach he was a good man with the right ideas.
What's at work in the idolizing is either a mild leftist ideology that decides to leave out or refuses to believe the condemnatory stuff, or a wild leftist ideology that says yes, what Che did was justified in trying to set the world right.
Either way, there are many perils, such as the destructive march of some Latin American countries — such as Hugo Chavez-led Venezuela — toward a destructive, liberty-denying socialist future.
Examiner Columnist Jay Ambrose is a former Washington opinion writer and editor of two dailies. He may be reached at SpeaktoJay@aol.com
Yeah, I get the feeling that if he had not been stopped, he could have ended up a Latin American Pol Pot. . .
Ret10Echo
10-17-2007, 20:49
http://www.economist.com/opinion/displaystory.cfm?story_id=9947002
Serious contrast....
"....he would hardly have become the James Dean of world politics. A second picture, that of the bedraggled guerrilla's corpse, staring wide-eyed at the camera, provides another clue. It resembles Andrea Mantegna's portrait of the dead Christ. It fixes Guevara as a modern saint, the man who risked his life twice in countries that were not his own before giving it in a third...."
But the reality...
"His exhortation to guerrilla warfare, irrespective of political circumstance, lured thousands of idealistic Latin Americans to their deaths, helped to create brutal dictatorships and delayed the achievement of democracy. "
Team Sergeant
10-18-2007, 09:33
"Che Guevara was a murderous thug"
I get a warm and fuzzy everytime this cowards name mentioned, because I know it was members of the US Army Special Forces that assisted in the little pigs capture and execution. :D
I also heard he went out screaming like a three year old, on his knees, begging for his life, what a hero.:rolleyes:
Maybe we should lobby congress to name him a "Murderous Thug" in some meaningless piece of political legislature. LOL:munchin
Team Sergeant
10-19-2007, 09:17
Maybe we should lobby congress to name him a "Murderous Thug" in some meaningless piece of political legislature. LOL:munchin
The way congress is working they'd probably get right on it!
rubberneck
10-19-2007, 09:25
Sadly there is a fair percentage of our current Congress that are more likely to label our troops of murderous thugs than they would Che. It is a sad commentary of how far this country has sunk over the past 40 years.
rubberneck
10-19-2007, 16:49
Apparently some folks in Venezuela don't appreciate the cult of Che.
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8SCGAA80&show_article=1&image=large
CARACAS, Venezuela (AP) - A glass monument to revolutionary icon Ernesto "Che" Guevara was shot up and destroyed less than two weeks after it was unveiled by Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez's government.
Images of the 8-foot-tall glass plate bearing Guevara's image, now toppled and shattered, were shown Friday on state television, which said the entire country "repudiated" the vandalism.
The monument on an Andean mountain highway near the city of Merida was unveiled Oct. 8 by Vice President Jorge Rodriguez and Cuba's ambassador to Venezuela to mark the 40th anniversary of Guevara's death.
Chavez venerates Guevara as a model socialist for all Venezuelans. He named a state-funded adult education program "Mission Che Guevara," and murals of the iconic revolutionary have become a common sight in Venezuela.
Police said they had yet to identify those responsible. The Venezuelan newspaper El Nacional published a copy of what it said was a flier found by the monument signed by the previously unknown "Paramo Patriotic Front."
"We don't want any monument to Che, he isn't an example for our children," the flier read. It called Guevara a "cold-blooded killer" and said the government should raise a monument in Chavez's hometown of Sabaneta, in the nearby lowland plains, if it wants to commemorate the Argentine-born revolutionary.
The local mayor, Jesus Maria Espinoza, suggested the vandals came from elsewhere.
"We can't tolerate people from outside ... damaging something that was unveiled with so much happiness, with so much enthusiasm that day," Espinoza told state television.
The 1.5-inch-thick stele was erected near the top of El Aguila Peak, a popular tourist spot and one of the highest points in Venezuela at 13,143 feet above sea level.
Guevara visited this spot in 1952 during his travels through South America, which he recorded in his diary, before joining the Cuban revolutionary struggle led by Fidel Castro.
60_Driver
10-19-2007, 20:33
There's nothing civil about civil war, so I've not much to say about whatever happened in Cuba.
But after reading his folksy rant about Guerrilla Warfare, and the Bolivian Diary, the image I have of him is of an absolute idiot who was propelled above his competence level by events.
I see nothing in his writings that presaged any real threat to anyone but himself and anyone stupid enough to follow him. What happened to him was inevitable.
whats funny is... not only that Che is the darling of the liberal-left, but that he truly sucked as a revolutionary. Yeah, he wrote that the reason he failed in the Congo was that they were not ready for revolution...bottom line, he sucked so he left.
South America... Boliva... sucked... result... tracked down, wounded, captured, executed, beheaded and his Rolex, a true sign of a anti imperialist revolutionary was taken by Felix Rodriguez... a Cuban... I love the irony...
Y-
dr. mabuse
10-20-2007, 10:54
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Ret10Echo
10-26-2007, 09:41
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20071026/od_uk_nm/oukoe_uk_che_hair_auction
By Ed Stoddard
Thu Oct 25, 10:13 PM ET
DALLAS (Reuters) - A lock of socialist revolutionary Ernesto "Che" Guevara's hair and related items were auctioned on Thursday in Dallas to a Houston-area bookstore owner for the very capitalist sum of $119,500 (52,000 pounds).
The curious collection had belonged to Gustavo Villoldo, 71, a former CIA operative who helped hunt Guevara down in the jungles of Bolivia in 1967 and who claims he cut off the lock before burying the guerrilla fighter with two of his comrades.
There was media speculation that Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, a leftist who greatly admires the iconic Guevara, would bid for the items.
In the end, it went to Houston-based Bill Butler.
"Butler ... is thrilled to own items from Che (and) will display them in his store," said Kelley Norwine, vice president of marketing for Heritage Auction Galleries, which auctioned the mementos.
The auction house said the hair could provide DNA proof that the remains of Guevara -- affectionately known by his admirers as "Che" -- are in Cuba, where he is venerated as a hero of the revolution that brought Fidel Castro to power five decades ago.
Then 39, the bearded rebel was captured by CIA-backed Bolivian soldiers on October 8, 1967 and shot dead the next day in a schoolhouse. Some remains believed to be his were dug up decades later and taken to Cuba.
"This may be the only DNA that could prove that Castro has his body. Gustavo helped bury Che and he claims there were only two other bodies with his corpse," Norwine told Reuters shortly before the auction, as she pointed to the dark lock of hair sealed in a plastic envelope in a glass display case.
"But when the remains said to be his were dug up and taken to Cuba there were six other bodies in the grave," she said, adding that Villoldo claimed to know the precise location of his grave because he wrote down the coordinates.
The hair was auctioned with a few related items to Butler in one batch.
A scrapbook containing what Heritage says are previously unpublished photos of the dead guerrilla went with the hair. One shows a group of rag-tag soldiers brandishing rifles and standing proudly around his corpse like hunters posing with a trophy. Others show his corpse propped up, eyes wide open.
A hand-written note from one of Che's comrades-in-arms to the guerrilla leader saying he had reached an undisclosed location and awaited further orders was also sold.
Heritage had tightened security after receiving threatening e-mails from groups in Argentina, Guevara's home country, protesting the sale.
Guevera has came to symbolize rebel chic with his likeness emblazoned on countless T-shirts and buttons. But many of his left-wing admirers are uncomfortable with what they see as the commercial exploitation of his legacy.
Conservatives on the other hand see red at the pop-star status accorded a man they see as a ruthless communist killer.
Norwine said Heritage Auction Galleries has auctioned off hair before including strands from the heads of Abraham Lincoln, Elvis Presley and Marilyn Monroe.
Surf n Turf
10-26-2007, 20:36
I had a signed copy of Felix Rodriguez’s book, but can’t seem to find it.
Felix really wanted to keep Che alive --- he felt that the man was so incompetent that he was more use to us alive than dead.
Let’s hope in a very short time, Che will have a “soul mate” to keep him company in hell
SnT
Happy Dead Che Day!
50th Anniversary Edition
I figured necroposting on the 40th Anniversary thread here of PS.com was probably the most appropriate choice of all the Che threads.
There are some advantages to living first across the time/date line.
rsdengler
10-09-2017, 05:30
Happy Dead Che Day!
50th Anniversary Edition
I figured necroposting on the 40th Anniversary thread here of PS.com was probably the most appropriate choice of all the Che threads.
There are some advantages to living first across the time/date line.
Ha....Time to put on the "Dead Che Shirt" ...Happy Dead Che Day.....:D
miclo18d
10-09-2017, 05:36
¡Viva la ejecución!
Que siempre quemes en el infierno, Pendejo
Muchas gracias a nuestros hermanos de las Fuerzas Especiales por el gran esfuerzo
:lifter:mad::lifter
Dead Che Day. It is a good one .......
Sunny, brisk chill in the air and Freedom abounds.
He wished every ill to our way of life so Good Riddens to him and his kind.
Back in the day...right...when I was a young troop, going thru the phases...I remember the rumor going thru group that he was taken out by an E-8 on smoke bomb hill...nothing made me happier then and nothing makes me prouder now.:lifter
mojaveman
10-10-2017, 20:42
Ha....Time to put on the "Dead Che Shirt" ...Happy Dead Che Day.....:D
When I was in East Germany and Czechoslovakia I saw a lot of images of him painted on alley walls. Seems he still has something of a cult following there.
Here's some graphic ideas for your shirts. :p
Coincidentally, my test t-shirt was scheduled to arrive today . . . but it didn't. Should get it tomorrow.
Still looking for final text. I could put professionalsoldiers(dot)com on it if TS would like.
ETA: I could also try the profile pic that JJ posted. I picked this one since it's closer to the t-shirts the morons are wearing now.
rubberneck
10-10-2017, 21:53
Coincidentally, my test t-shirt was scheduled to arrive today . . . but it didn't. Should get it tomorrow.
Still looking for final text. I could put professionalsoldiers(dot)com on it if TS would like.
ETA: I could also try the profile pic that JJ posted. I picked this one since it's closer to the t-shirts the morons are wearing now.
Maybe on the back you could put "Special Forces, whacking commie bastards since 1952". Lol
Maybe on the back you could put "Special Forces, whacking commie bastards since 1952". Lol
You gave me another idea: che 6.14.28 -- 7.62 (or 7.62x51 though I'm not sure what was used).
Pat
You gave me another idea: che 6.14.28 -- 7.62 (or 7.62x51 though I'm not sure what was used).
Pat
The few pictures I have seen, the Bolivian troops have a mix,,
Garands, 30.06 (7.62x63)..
M1 Carbine, 30cal
Bolt Mauser cal??
rsdengler
10-11-2017, 04:44
When I was in East Germany and Czechoslovakia I saw a lot of images of him painted on alley walls. Seems he still has something of a cult following there.
Here's some graphic ideas for your shirts. :p
LOL...Ha, Ha...The "Skeletor Dead Che" Shirt....Cool ;)
I like when I get the opportunity to ask a clown that is wearing one of those shirts, "Hey, what do you think about ole' Che and what he stands for?" Their reply is often, "Who?"
My response is, "Nevermind, it really doesn't matter."
UWOA (RIP)
10-11-2017, 09:03
Che's pen was on display in 8th SFGA headquarters at Fort Gulick (I think it was still there when I arrived and after I left ... by then 8th SFGA had been deactivated and became 3dBn/7th SFGA), but it disappeared, don't know who took it ....
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20071026/od_uk_nm/oukoe_uk_che_hair_auction
By Ed Stoddard
Thu Oct 25, 10:13 PM ET
DALLAS (Reuters) - A lock of socialist revolutionary Ernesto "Che" Guevara's hair and related items were auctioned on Thursday in Dallas to a Houston-area bookstore owner for the very capitalist sum of $119,500 (52,000 pounds).
The curious collection had belonged to Gustavo Villoldo, 71, a former CIA operative who helped hunt Guevara down in the jungles of Bolivia in 1967 and who claims he cut off the lock before burying the guerrilla fighter with two of his comrades.
There was media speculation that Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, a leftist who greatly admires the iconic Guevara, would bid for the items.
In the end, it went to Houston-based Bill Butler.
"Butler ... is thrilled to own items from Che (and) will display them in his store," said Kelley Norwine, vice president of marketing for Heritage Auction Galleries, which auctioned the mementos.
The auction house said the hair could provide DNA proof that the remains of Guevara -- affectionately known by his admirers as "Che" -- are in Cuba, where he is venerated as a hero of the revolution that brought Fidel Castro to power five decades ago.
Then 39, the bearded rebel was captured by CIA-backed Bolivian soldiers on October 8, 1967 and shot dead the next day in a schoolhouse. Some remains believed to be his were dug up decades later and taken to Cuba.
"This may be the only DNA that could prove that Castro has his body. Gustavo helped bury Che and he claims there were only two other bodies with his corpse," Norwine told Reuters shortly before the auction, as she pointed to the dark lock of hair sealed in a plastic envelope in a glass display case.
"But when the remains said to be his were dug up and taken to Cuba there were six other bodies in the grave," she said, adding that Villoldo claimed to know the precise location of his grave because he wrote down the coordinates.
The hair was auctioned with a few related items to Butler in one batch.
A scrapbook containing what Heritage says are previously unpublished photos of the dead guerrilla went with the hair. One shows a group of rag-tag soldiers brandishing rifles and standing proudly around his corpse like hunters posing with a trophy. Others show his corpse propped up, eyes wide open.
A hand-written note from one of Che's comrades-in-arms to the guerrilla leader saying he had reached an undisclosed location and awaited further orders was also sold.
Heritage had tightened security after receiving threatening e-mails from groups in Argentina, Guevara's home country, protesting the sale.
Guevera has came to symbolize rebel chic with his likeness emblazoned on countless T-shirts and buttons. But many of his left-wing admirers are uncomfortable with what they see as the commercial exploitation of his legacy.
Conservatives on the other hand see red at the pop-star status accorded a man they see as a ruthless communist killer.
Norwine said Heritage Auction Galleries has auctioned off hair before including strands from the heads of Abraham Lincoln, Elvis Presley and Marilyn Monroe.
Peregrino
10-11-2017, 13:45
Che's pen was on display in 8th SFGA headquarters at Fort Gulick (I think it was still there when I arrived and after I left ... by then 8th SFGA had been deactivated and became 3dBn/7th SFGA), but it disappeared, don't know who took it ....
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The last time I saw Che's (purported) pen at the 3-7 HQ on Ft Gulick, it looked suspiciously similar to a black Skilcraft. IIRC that was 83-84.
Coincidentally, my test t-shirt was scheduled to arrive today . . . but it didn't. Should get it tomorrow.
Still looking for final text. I could put professionalsoldiers(dot)com on it if TS would like.
ETA: I could also try the profile pic that JJ posted. I picked this one since it's closer to the t-shirts the morons are wearing now.
OK, got it. It's Hanes, tag-less, pre-shrunk cotton. The color is just like the photo and the screening looks and feels heavy. I ordered a Large and it fits fine . . . but I'm not a big guy at all but, at 5'6", I seem to have broader shoulders than others my size.
Pat
OK, got it. It's Hanes, tag-less, pre-shrunk cotton. The color is just like the photo and the screening looks and feels heavy. I ordered a Large and it fits fine . . . but I'm not a big guy at all but, at 5'6", I seem to have broader shoulders than others my size.
Pat
Amazon Prime will deliver your order by 8PM tomorrow.. :lifter:lifter:lifter
Amazon Prime will deliver your order by 8PM tomorrow..
Where do you hang out to find photos like that? :eek::eek::eek::D
Pat
Ret10Echo
10-11-2017, 16:53
Amazon Prime will deliver your order by 8PM tomorrow.. :lifter:lifter:lifter
What is seen cannot be unseen
Where do you hang out to find photos like that?
Pat
Google foo
"guy named PMS wearing a thong"
:lifter:D:lifter
Google foo
"guy named PMS wearing a thong"
:lifter:D:lifter
You misspelled it. :p
Pat
rsdengler
10-11-2017, 17:36
Amazon Prime will deliver your order by 8PM tomorrow.. :lifter:lifter:lifter
Uhhh....Thanks JJ for that stimulating visual picture that is now embedded in my brain for the rest of the night...That Leopard Thong is screaming right about now. LOL....:D
The Reaper
10-11-2017, 18:50
Dutch wooden shoes and a banana hammock?
TR
Dutch wooden shoes and a banana hammock?
Harvey Weinstein on walkabout.