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The Reaper
08-03-2007, 09:41
But they support the troops.

Yeah, right.:rolleyes:

TR

http://www.nypost.com/seven/08032007/postopinion/opedcolumnists/troops__crimes_opedcolumnists_ralph_peters.htm?pag e=0

TROOPS & CRIMES

HISTORY'S BEST-BEHAVED MILITARY

August 3, 2007 -- THE media love to trash our troops. Every crime alleged to have been committed by a soldier or Marine in Iraq is headlined until it seems that those in uniform are so busy with atrocities they haven't got time to fight.

No accusation is too preposterous for "respected" media outlets to feature, and the left-wing press convicts our troops long before they see a courtroom. Our service members are portrayed (by those who never served) as a sadistic rabble.

But when you look at the facts - the hard numbers - a very different picture emerges.

While crimes committed by our troops can't be condoned (and they certainly aren't), official crime statistics make it clear that we have the best-behaved military in history - one that's vastly more law-abiding than our general population.

The here-at-home numbers are readily available from public sources. So let's compare some domestic crime rates with the misdeeds of those vicious storm-troopers of ours.

In the 19-month period - over a year and a half - from Jan. 1, 2006 until the morning you read this, misbehavior by our troops resulted in a total of 59 scheduled court-martials in Iraq - 21 of them general court-martials, which are reserved for the most-serious crimes (murder, rape, robbery, assault, arson and so forth). The other 38 were special court-martials, invoked for lesser offenses, such as disciplinary infractions or petty theft.

OK: 59 trials in 19 months, among an average troop population of almost 140,000. Compare that to civilian crime statistics back home, and it's clear that any of us would welcome the chance to live among such model citizens - even though our troops are overwhelmingly within the age window where criminal behavior is most frequent.

Start with a city that Money magazine rated as "one of the 10 best places to live" in the United States: Ann Arbor, Mich. Home to a great university, the town has a population of about 113,300 - about 20,000 lower than our pre-surge troop numbers in Iraq.

In 2005 (the last year for which statistics are available), that ideal place to live recorded 1,476 crimes that, if committed by a soldier, would have required a general court-martial - plus a further 2,282 thefts and similar infractions that, depending on the details, would have been handled by either a general or a special court-martial.

Twelve months in Ann Arbor, 3,758 court-martial-equivalent trials. If all the crimes had been taken to court, which one doubts. Nineteen months in Iraq, under the complex stresses of combat? Fifty-nine court-martials. Guess that bastion of ethical liberalism in Michigan needs to go through basic training.

But let's give peace a chance: The most dogmatically left-wing city in the United States is undoubtedly (the People's Republic of) Santa Cruz, Calif. With a population of some 55,000 - about a third of our current troop numbers in Iraq - Santa Cruz, where the Age of Aquarius reigns, had 503 violent crimes in 2004 (the latest statistics available) and a total of 3,665 crimes that would qualify for court-martials.

Extrapolate those numbers to match our current troop strength, and you'd have a requirement for more than 10,000 court-martial equivalents. If Santa Cruz were as serious about punishing its criminals as our military is . . .

The military doesn't do warnings and probation. If a soldier does the crime, he or she will do the time or pay the other relevant penalty - court-martials directly reflect the number of crimes committed. That means that our troops in a combat zone have had less than 1 percent of the crime rate in Santa Cruz - whose City Council in 2003 was proud to be the first in the United States to adopt a resolution denouncing the war in Iraq.

Nor are these hotbeds of peace, love and shirked responsibility alone in being criminal empires compared to the good order prevailing in our military. Take a genuinely decent American city, Lynchburg, Va., with a strong religious tradition, 11 colleges, universities and technical schools and a population in 2006 of 67,720 (about half the pre-surge number of troops in Iraq).

In 2005, Lynchburg suffered 857 criminal acts that would've demanded general court-martials in the military and a further 1,805 thefts, many of which would have resulted in special court-martials.

Yet Lynchburg is particularly well-behaved. The stats for many cities are far worse.

Now set those facts against the hypocrisy of so many in the media toward our men and women in uniform. Did any of the reporters wailing about the deplorable behavior of our troops in a half-dozen incidents over four years bother to put those crimes into perspective?

Our troops are performing remarkably well under difficult conditions, and our military does a solid job of screening out sociopaths. But, inevitably, some slip through (the private-for-life who recently conned The New Republic might qualify). And it's the one scumbag among 10,000 honorable men and women in uniform who gets the press attention.

Of course, we rightly demand model standards of behavior from our troops, as we do from law-enforcement agents and officers. And today's U.S. armed forces deliver, taking good order and discipline very seriously. We all should be proud of how selflessly and honorably our troops have served as the jackals on the home tear at the military's carcass.

I learned an important lesson myself in digging out these statistics: I knew, of course, how decent our troops are. I served with them for almost 22 years (and testified at two court-martials in two decades). But on future trips to California - my favorite foreign country - I'll be sure to give Santa Cruz a wide berth.

I'd hate to be the victim of an atrocity.

Ralph Peters is the author of the new book "Wars of Blood and Faith: The Conflicts That Will Shape the 21st Century."

Monsoon65
08-03-2007, 14:16
Great read and I have to agree with it. You only will hear about the bad, never the good.

If anything good is in the media, people think it's just "spin" from the POTUS to make it look like we're doing good in Iraq.

incommin
08-03-2007, 14:32
There are some issues the comparisons of the crime rates stated.

The first is that the military kicks out the bad apples so they do not get a second chance.

The second is that 7-8% of a population commit 60-70% of the crime there.... jails are filled with repeat offenders. Civilian society can not kick out its bad apples. The cops can only arrest them and then see the courts put them back on the street.

I too think that our troops are much better behaved than our civilian brethren. But the article is comparing apples with oranges.....

Jim

Shar
08-03-2007, 20:31
There is definitely some apples to orange comparison - however...

The family I married into was of the opinion that one didn't join the military unless they had no other options in life, were uneducated, were trying to get out of going to jail, etc. This opinion has had to change over the years as both my husband and his older brother are both career Army now - neither are criminals and both are very educated. They've also gotten to know my father well and he is one of the most educated, gentlemen-like men around.

So while the military can kick out those who do wrong, from the outside I'd guess that there is a large portion of the population that assumes the military contains the bad apples and that the community is rife with seedy, illegal, unethical behavior. The MSM certainly enjoys portraying that image. It just isn't true though. As with anything, the military certainly has its bad apples - but what segment of society doesn't?

I really like that this article shows in clear numbers that not only does the military deal with bad behavior, but that the bad behavior isn't all that common. I wish that fact was more widely known. One of my sisters-in-law was genuinely scared to visit us when we were at Fort Benning for a time. She wasn't scared of the surrounding town (and heaven knows THAT'S what she should have been nervous about), she was scared of coming on post! We've worked hard to dispel the myths of military life - but the MSM certainly doesn't help bolster the reputations of the very good men and women in the services.

HOLLiS
08-04-2007, 09:53
Obviously the article is short for a in depth analysis of the US military and regular US citizen comparison. One aspect of stats is to find out how much a apple is like or not like a orange.


If we took Santa Cruz, CA and compared it to comparable size city on the Eastern Seaboard, a person could say comparing apples to oranges. That may be just the reason of the study.

The military has always been reflective of the US society more so than it is now. Now we can ask how much does it truly represents our society?

a side note: Even with the city Santa Cruz (I am familiar with this city) membership is voluntarily.

I guess we can ask if the author inferences from the data that he use, "Does it it support the concept that the Average person in the military is better "behaved" than the average US Citizen?.

Other words, how much different is the Average Military Personal is than the average Citizen in terms of legal behavior? Or using the apple/orange comparison, How much more like a apple than a orange are they. In the past when we had a draft, I feel the military relfected our society better that it does now.

My personal feelings, is that during the Viet-Nam war, the draft was ruining the Marine Corps. Not to say some draftees do not make excellent Soldiers, but many of the draftees did not make good soldiers. The Draft is a horrible selection process, except to fill a uniform with a warm body and not much more.

From information that I have picked up over time, I agree with the inferences of the author that we have our best military today. I think the sad part is that we have some of our worse elected officials today too.

QRQ 30
08-04-2007, 11:18
Great read and I have to agree with it. You only will hear about the bad, never the good.

If anything good is in the media, people think it's just "spin" from the POTUS to make it look like we're doing good in Iraq.

I'm not so sure that is altogether true. Good news is there, you just have to look for and recognize it.

OTOH headlines are to sell not to inform. Apparently the sheeple wish to buy sensationalism.

Just the other day I saw a piece on NBC where two reporters had just returned from Iraq and reported that things are getting better after the beginning of the surge. It was there, how many noticed?


I would like to see a neutral exit poll of all returning soldiers.

Around the time of the WRAH s candle I produced a web survey. You would be surprised at the results. Very few complained about their treatment and housing and none had anything bad to say about the VA, Interestingly the facilities cited were Army but all you seem to hear about ore the VA. If I can reactivate it it would be interesting to see what this neutral group would have to say.

Warrior-Mentor
08-09-2007, 00:30
Ralph is spot on. Again.