View Full Version : Green Beret Bubble Gum Cards
I'm not kidding, that's the title. Appears to be from the 1960's.
http://www.bubblegum-cards.com/Green-Berets/index.html
rubberneck
06-21-2007, 21:17
That's pretty cool.
See, now that is more like it. Instead of sports cards, the military needs more of this to show kids what a hero should look like.
Thanks for sharing Sir!!!
Nice collection. I agree most of the pictures date from 59-63ish.
Never see that these days. Not PC.
Pete
82ndtrooper
06-22-2007, 04:27
AT least it is not a calendar with shirtless men with BDU pants and UDT shorts negotiating parts of an obstacle course. The Navy SEALs have one every year, at least for the last few.
I was told by a reliable source that they sell them at certain womens functions and raise the money for various Navy and Special Warfare foundations.
Jack Moroney (RIP)
06-22-2007, 05:02
I'm not kidding, that's the title. Appears to be from the 1960's.
http://www.bubblegum-cards.com/Green-Berets/index.html
About the same time that these were floating around there was also a story line about SF in VN in the Sunday Comic Strips. Ran for about a year IIRC.
AT least it is not a calendar with shirtless men with BDU pants and UDT shorts negotiating parts of an obstacle course. The Navy SEALs have one every year, at least for the last few.
I was told by a reliable source that they sell them at certain womens functions and raise the money for various Navy and Special Warfare foundations.
I see no problem with this concept.
:D
82ndtrooper
06-22-2007, 06:44
I see no problem with this concept.
:D
I guess the sensationlism that Navy SEALs recieve these day's does call for a calendar that say's "Look at us without our shirts, we're the baddest, most fantasitcally built Special Warriors on the planet" I saw the cover of the 2003 calendar and it was akin to something that "Chip and Dales" might have for sale.:rolleyes:
Hey's it their gig, have at it. If it makes money for the Special Operations Warrior foundation then it's all good. :o
Peregrino
06-22-2007, 06:59
I see no problem with this concept.
:D
Pay attention kiddies - that's an excellent example of why it's so very important to fill out your profile. :p Peregrino
82ndtrooper
06-22-2007, 07:14
MAV:
If you'd like one, my son can probably dig one up and send it to you. :lifter :p I believe he may have one with Scott Helvenston as Mr. August, July, June, etc. RIP Scott. Personally I'll stick with SF bubble gum cards or Maxim Mag.
www.scottyandkel.com
A very neat piece of history there.
Pay attention kiddies - that's an excellent example of why it's so very important to fill out your profile. :p Peregrino
LOL! Should change my title to "Female, 1 ea" just for emphasis, hehehe... Ah, the thoughts that must have originally gone through everyone's heads. :p
82ndtrooper: It's unfortunate, but an affirmative response to your offer is self-incriminating, lol
Back on topic, tho, those are pretty neat. Altho, only one of them actually pulled up (thanks, SurfControl) :rolleyes:
I like the tools of the trade Card. How things have changed, no Sure Fire, Kifaru Pack, GPS, Strider, Cell Phone, Camel Back.....etc
See, now that is more like it. Instead of sports cards, the military needs more of this to show kids what a hero should look like.
You mean something like this?
http://www.jazwaresstore.com/category/America's_Army.html
NousDefionsDoc
06-22-2007, 16:26
Cool cards!
Even though my time in SF was in the 60s, I've never seen these cards,
Interesting.
Special Forces has such a rich history. :cool:
I was curious about this card...it is very detailed.
Holly
Sweetbriar
06-23-2007, 15:01
echoes, it's the index card for the set. I guess "checklist" sounds more Army than "index" for the little boys. Maybe the big boys, too. They stay serious about their toys at 60 as well as at 6. A friend at work who was Army in Vietnam collects Mattel type military dolls (figurines?). Gets them signed by people still in those units and such. Great collection, but you never woulda thunk it.
Holly:
That's the checklist to make sure you have collected all the cards in the set.
I'm guessing you never did collect bubble gum cards in the '60's?
And never put them on the forks of your bike with clothes pins (remember those) from your mother's clothes line (remember those) so your bike would go: "bap-bap-bap-bap" when you pedaled and you could tell all your buddies you had a motorcycle.
Holly:
That's the checklist to make sure you have collected all the cards in the set.
I'm guessing you never did collect bubble gum cards in the '60's?
And never put them on the forks of your bike with clothes pins (remember those) from your mother's clothes line (remember those) so your bike would go: "bap-bap-bap-bap" when you pedaled and you could tell all your buddies you had a motorcycle.
Sir,
Thank You for that information. Since I was born in '73...and my brothers horded all "the cards", I guess so. Only bright spot was I played with GI Joe figrues insted of dolls. :lifter
Sweetbriar...You Rock!
Holly
Even though my time in SF was in the 60s, I've never seen these cards,
Interesting.
That's because they came in bubble bum packs not Brown's Mule packs.:D
Pete
Sir,
Thank You for that information. Since I was born in '73...and my brothers horded all "the cards", I guess so. Only bright spot was I played with GI Joe figures instead of dolls. :lifter
Sweetbriar...You Rock!
Holly
Look at my Avatar, I still play with Action Figures.
82ndtrooper
06-23-2007, 18:38
Look at my Avatar, I still play with Action Figures.
And to think that I thought your avatar was actually a picture of you and others demonsrating "hard entry" :munchin
And to think that I thought your avatar was actually a picture of you and others demonsrating "hard entry" :munchin
:o
me too!
Jack Moroney (RIP)
06-23-2007, 19:28
And never put them on the forks of your bike with clothes pins (remember those) from your mother's clothes line (remember those) so your bike would go: "bap-bap-bap-bap" when you pedaled and you could tell all your buddies you had a motorcycle.
I did the same, however I was using the baseball cards in the late 40s that today would have been worth a fortune. Could have used the damn bubble gum that came in sheets the same size as the cards. Stuff could cut glass:D Life was a little simpler then and Victory at Sea was my favorite TV show on Sunday mornings.
Roycroft201
06-23-2007, 19:36
And to think that I thought your avatar was actually a picture of you and others demonsrating "hard entry"
I was thinking the same, and even thought that the first in line might be a SF medic........ :)
RC201
Sweetbriar
06-23-2007, 20:43
kgoerz, I had just thought you were a doll. I guess you really are! Too cool! :cool:
You thought those were real people in the picture? Dam I'm good.
mswilliams
06-26-2007, 08:03
Nice collection. I agree most of the pictures date from 59-63ish.
Never see that these days. Not PC.
Pete
Hey take a look at card number 15. Isn't that Pete in the window of that Helo?? :)
Hey take a look at card number 15. Isn't that Pete in the window of that Helo?? :)
I did look at all the pictures and I have similar pictures from my time period for 11, 35, 36, 42, 51 and 62.
mswilliams
06-26-2007, 08:40
I did look at all the pictures and I have similar pictures from my time period for 11, 35, 36, 42, 51 and 62.
Just says one thing Pete .... Damn you're old!
How do I get a set of those cards?
Bill Harsey
06-26-2007, 20:21
Pay attention kiddies - that's an excellent example of why it's so very important to fill out your profile. :p Peregrino
Yep.
Great posts, Thank you.
IMHO, best reply was:
That's because they came in bubble bum packs not Brown's Mule packs.:D
Pete
I am still enjoying it.
I'm not sure where else to post this, but I decided to look up and see if I could find these bubble gum cards on eBay. I collect a lot of old, vintage Army items and figured these were really cool. (They aren't there right now.)
Anyway... I found this guy who says he's an old special forces vet trying to make a few dollars to send his kids through college. He also says the following:
"IT IS EXTREMLY DIFFICULT IF NOT IMPOSSIBLE TO GET ANY KIND OF REPLACEMENT FOR A PAPER DOCUMENT FROM THE MILITARY, SO I FIGURED I WOULD USE MY EXPERTISE TO HELP MY BROTHERS IN ARMS REPLACE LOST OR DESTROYED DOCUMENTS."
I then looked at the items he was selling... Here's the list:
10TH SPECIAL FORCES VINTAGE BAD TOLZ CERTIFICATE
U.S. ARMY SPECIAL OPERATIONS COMMAND CERTIFICATE
ARMY JUNGLE EXPERT SCHOOL PANAMA CERTIFICATE
10 NOVELTY SPECIAL FORCES BUSINESS CARDS oda1225( 501)
KUWAIT LIBERATION MEDAL CERTIFICATE SAUDI VERSION
U.S. ARMY HONORABLE DISCHARGE CERTIFICATE
10TH SPECIAL FORCES GREEN BERET AIRBORNE CERTIFICATE
ARMY SPECIAL FORCES COMBAT DIVER SCUBA CERTIFICATE oda1225( 501)
10 NOVELTY SPECIAL OPERATIONS BUSINESS CARDS
10 NOVELTY DELTA FORCE BUSINESS CARDS
His work (forgeries) are good from the pictures he's posting. I can report him up through the VeRO program at eBay since he clearly isn't the copyright holder to these specific certificates. That'll get the auctions taken down and get him busted in fairly short order. However, before I did that I thought maybe one of you all might want to buy something from him so you can find out his identity... :D I know you all love this kind of thing. Let me know, I'll hold on the VeRO thing for the moment.
Here's his website on eBay:
http://members.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPage&userid=specops092_graphicdesign
I got his WHOIS information off his posted website www.SURREALIMAGESDESIGN.COM - which doesn't work. If someone wants it - PM me.
The minute he personalizes the documents he is commenting a Felony (Forgery of Federal documents) He probably could also be charged in aiding in and possibly breaking the new federal law (Stolen Valors Law).
Not my area of law but should be easy to find out on this board.
The minute he personalizes the documents he is commenting a Felony (Forgery of Federal documents) He probably could also be charged in aiding in and possibly breaking the new federal law (Stolen Valors Law).
Not my area of law but should be easy to find out on this board.
I'm no expert on this, and hope to be corrected if I'm wrong but the Forgery of Federal documents law I think you are referencing that was introduced by Senator Inhofe of Oklahoma after the CBS scandal involving President Bush's service record does not appear to have ever gone on to a full vote.
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d109:s2117:
I'll continue to look around, but from where I stand he's still committing Federal offenses including copyright laws, forgery, etc. I haven't read up on the Stolen Valors Law yet, but that's certainly a possibility.
I'm on hold until I get unleashed since this would be a QP's fight first. There is one bidder on two of his auctions (the only bidder I might add) who looks like he might be a QP finding out an identity, his username is "ODA####" - I don't remember all the numbers.
Airbornelawyer
06-27-2007, 18:33
I'm no expert on this, and hope to be corrected if I'm wrong but the Forgery of Federal documents law I think you are referencing that was introduced by Senator Inhofe of Oklahoma after the CBS scandal involving President Bush's service record does not appear to have ever gone on to a full vote.
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d109:s2117:
I'll continue to look around, but from where I stand he's still committing Federal offenses including copyright laws, forgery, etc. I haven't read up on the Stolen Valors Law yet, but that's certainly a possibility.
I'm on hold until I get unleashed since this would be a QP's fight first. There is one bidder on two of his auctions (the only bidder I might add) who looks like he might be a QP finding out an identity, his username is "ODA####" - I don't remember all the numbers.It is a crime, albeit a misdemeanor, under 18 U.S. Code § 498 to forge, counterfeit, or falsely alter any military or naval discharge certificate. Based on a plain reading of the statute, the seller's "novelty" disclaimer would not seem to absolve him or any buyer from culpability.
Regarding the other documents, copyright laws do not extend to works of the U.S. Government. See 17 U.S. Code § 105. With the exception of the Great Seal on the discharge certificate, none of the images on the various certificates I see in his listings are covered by the various provisions of Chapter 33 of 18 U.S. Code.
It is a felony to pretend to be an officer or employee acting under the authority of the United States or any department, agency or officer thereof (18 U.S. Code § 912), so if his buyers used personalized certificates in violation of this provision, they would be culpable. His "novelty" disclaimer might protect him from culpability under 18 U.S. Code § 371, the general conspiracy statute, in connection with a buyer's violation of § 912, but I am not familiar enough with the specifics of Federal conspiracy laws.
The member name of the bidder on the two items corresponds to an ODA of 12th Special Forces Group, a Reserve group inactivated in 1994.
Airbornelawyer
06-27-2007, 18:45
Nice collection. I agree most of the pictures date from 59-63ish.
Never see that these days. Not PC.
Pete
Topps issued a series of Korean War trading cards under the moniker Freedom's War: http://www.topps.com/Entertainment/Flashback/freedom/freedom.html.
Topps issued three card sets in connection with Desert Storm, and apparently in coordination with DOD: http://www.topps.com/Entertainment/Flashback/DesertStorm/desertstorm.html
I'm not sure of any more recent ones.
It is a crime, albeit a misdemeanor, under 18 U.S. Code § 498 to forge, counterfeit, or falsely alter any military or naval discharge certificate. Based on a plain reading of the statute, the seller's "novelty" disclaimer would not seem to absolve him or any buyer from culpability.
Regarding the other documents, copyright laws do not extend to works of the U.S. Government. See 17 U.S. Code § 105. With the exception of the Great Seal on the discharge certificate, none of the images on the various certificates I see in his listings are covered by the various provisions of Chapter 33 of 18 U.S. Code.
It is a felony to pretend to be an officer or employee acting under the authority of the United States or any department, agency or officer thereof (18 U.S. Code § 912), so if his buyers used personalized certificates in violation of this provision, they would be culpable. His "novelty" disclaimer might protect him from culpability under 18 U.S. Code § 371, the general conspiracy statute, in connection with a buyer's violation of § 912, but I am not familiar enough with the specifics of Federal conspiracy laws.
The member name of the bidder on the two items corresponds to an ODA of 12th Special Forces Group, a Reserve group inactivated in 1994.
Thanks for the information, I'm assuming the fact that the penalty is only a misdemeanor is why Senator Inhofe wanted that legislation so badly. It does seem light. At first blush I also don't understand why copyright protection doesn't extend to the US Gov't. There has to be something to it that I'm missing right now (right?) but it doesn't make much sense to me. After reading it I do understand why whenever I negotiate against any Gov't entity on a software deal they are extremely interested in trying to get a piece of the IP ownership and constantly try to slip those provisions through since apparently that's the only way they can hold copyright (or any IP rights?).
Very interesting and yet I'm all confused at the same time. :confused: Must go research...
Airbornelawyer
06-28-2007, 02:45
At first blush I also don't understand why copyright protection doesn't extend to the US Gov't. There has to be something to it that I'm missing right now (right?) but it doesn't make much sense to me. After reading it I do understand why whenever I negotiate against any Gov't entity on a software deal they are extremely interested in trying to get a piece of the IP ownership and constantly try to slip those provisions through since apparently that's the only way they can hold copyright (or any IP rights?).
This is the text of 17 U.S. Code § 105: "Copyright protection under this title is not available for any work of the United States Government, but the United States Government is not precluded from receiving and holding copyrights transferred to it by assignment, bequest, or otherwise." As you can see, the U.S. Government can take an interest in someone else's work, which may be the situation you encounter, but not in its own work.
The source of Federal copyright law, as well as patent law, is found in Art. I, § 8 of the U.S. Constitution: "The Congress shall have power ... To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries;"
The purpose of copyright law is to encourage creativity by granting a property right (and the potential financial benefits that can come of that) in what one creates or discovers. This doesn't apply to the U.S. government, which is not supposed to be competing with its own citizens in the marketplace of ideas. We are a democratic republic - we "own" our government, and the works it produces belong to us, and hence are in the public domain.
We are a democratic republic - we "own" our government, and the works it produces belong to us, and hence are in the public domain.
I figured it'd be something as simple as that but I wasn't seeing it right away. However, I still think these documents should be extended a layer of protection better than they have - like unto what was being proposed in the bill Inhofe proposed. I get the theory behind it, but in reality there is a lot of competition going on between private industry and government.
In one of the auctions he's selling a certificate signed by an SF MAJ that does exist (I looked him up on AKO) - I know I'd be bugged if my signature was being duplicated even as a "novelty."
Team Sergeant
06-28-2007, 10:57
I figured it'd be something as simple as that but I wasn't seeing it right away. However, I still think these documents should be extended a layer of protection better than they have - like unto what was being proposed in the bill Inhofe proposed. I get the theory behind it, but in reality there is a lot of competition going on between private industry and government.
In one of the auctions he's selling a certificate signed by an SF MAJ that does exist (I looked him up on AKO) - I know I'd be bugged if my signature was being duplicated even as a "novelty."
FWIW those ebay documents will only fool girl-friends and mall security guards. They're not even close to the real thing.;)
In the security industry we have,multi million dollar companies run by CEO's lying about their credentials, medals etc, good enough to fool the entire DoD. Goes on everyday.
If someone poses as a LEO, off to jail in a heart-beat. Sad the same does not apply for those that lie, cheat, steal and live off the hard earned reputation of real military men and women.
TS
Sad the same does not apply for those that lie, cheat, steal and live off the hard earned reputation of real military men and women.
TS
TS--remember Sir,
Around here "they" are fantastic for paintball practice, when found!
Nice big splotch! of green paint...right up the nose!:lifter
Come and get it, posers! Argh!
Holly
EDIT to add: Sorry to vent off topic!. Movin out to do some PT.
Was the Original Post Ref Green Beret Bubble Gum Cards? Guess we got off the thread a little.......:munchin
SFpanama
04-06-2008, 15:06
I enjoyed seeing those old cards. A lot could have been done with these with some creative marketing to the right niche. Packs for different SF Groups, RVN Recon Teams, MOH recipients, different theaters of operation, etc. Here's a Men of the Green Berets Bubble Gum Cards wrapper. :D
You must have been holding that for a long time...:D
Here's a Men of the Green Berets Bubble Gum Cards wrapper. :D
From 1964–67, the Philadelphia Chewing Gum Company (PCGC on the cards)had a license from the National Football League to produce trading cards of leading football players, while Topps produced cards for the rival American Football League. These football cards are today highly collectible. The Philadelphia Chewing Gum Company also produced a set of 55 self-adhesive stickers of Marvel Comics superheroes, as well as trading cards based upon "World War II," "Men of the Green Berets," "The Story of Robert F. Kennedy," and many others.
DC comics also did "Tales of the Green Berets" illustrated by Joe Kubert who did the SGT Rock and Men at War (The Haunted Tank) comics. I used to have them and wish I still did. Kubert also did a daily comic strip of the "Tales of the Green Berets" with the main characters being a reporter named Chris something and an SF MSG named Champ something (damn this CRS). Anyway, I was in high school during that time and remember reading them.
Richard :munchin
SFpanama
04-07-2008, 10:10
You must have been holding that for a long time...:D
Heeheehee! :D Touche', bro. Funny thing is, I downloaded that onto my hard drive some years ago because of it's novelty. I never thought that I'd be posting it any where.
From 1964–67, the Philadelphia Chewing Gum Company (PCGC on the cards)had a license .......Anyway, I was in high school during that time and remember reading them.
Richard :munchin
Good history shout Richard. Thanks for sharing this.
John :)