View Full Version : Group Pushes Vermont to Secede From U.S.
BMT (RIP)
06-04-2007, 13:19
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2007/6/4/85631.shtml?s=ic
:D
bmt
Roguish Lawyer
06-04-2007, 13:24
:munchin
I wonder if VP Cheney will tell SEN Patrick Leahy to "f*** himself" again....
blue02hd
06-04-2007, 14:01
Too bad we couldn't get California to Secede. Then Pelosi wouldn't have to worry about those coast to coast flights anymore. Such a hassle,,,,,
Vermont secede from the Union....I mean, would we REALLY miss it ?? :munchin
x SF med
06-04-2007, 14:26
Do you think they'd make COL Jack the SECDEF of VT?
x-factor
06-04-2007, 14:52
lol...you beat me to the joke, but I was going to say "Supreme Commander."
Roguish Lawyer
06-04-2007, 14:58
Do you think they'd make COL Jack the SECDEF of VT?
An independent VT would have no defense department. And I don't see COL Jack accepting an appointment as the Minister of Granola and Ganja . . .
Too bad we couldn't get California to Succeed. Then Pelosi wouldn't have to worry about those coast to coast flights anymore. Such a hassle,,,,,they probably won't secede until the Feds pay to fix the stretch of I-80 from Truckee to Auburn...it's worse than any paved road in Somalia, when last i was there...
Jack Moroney (RIP)
06-04-2007, 18:21
Evidently you folks don't realize that I did not move here, I was deployed here. Things are under control:D
x-factor
06-04-2007, 19:14
DID - Domestic Internal Defense
Monsoon65
06-04-2007, 20:59
Col Jack:
My family is in Upstate NY. Originally my father's family came from Vermont, so we sort of know the area.
Just a willing volunteer if you need one!
x SF med
06-05-2007, 09:09
Evidently you folks don't realize that I did not move here, I was deployed here. Things are under control:D
Ah-Ha!! so, you are admitting to being a 'sleeper'? We have ways to make you talk, spy! Cardinal Fang, brin out..... The Comfy Chair!
Things are under control:D
Of course they are. You're the HEAT!
They don't have to secede, just choose a country and move the hell out of the United States.
The Reaper
06-05-2007, 10:46
I think they need a history lesson.
Perhaps the Vermont history books, in order to be more PC, have omitted the period from 1861-65 when this issue was decided, or the true cause of that conflict.
TR
Skywatch
06-05-2007, 11:45
The Reaper,
I believe that the general feeling comming from this group is more along the lines of secession from England rather than secession from the Union ala the Civil War.
Granted, they are trying to remove themselves from the US, but their view of the national situation is more along the lines of how the colonial settlers felt towards the British monarchy.
A link to the "Second Vermont Republic" website:
http://www.vermontrepublic.org/
Taxation without proper representation and infringement on civil liberties are two issues that both examples share. I'm not interested in politics, but only because I don't like being stuck with a string of compromises.
This in return looks like civic disinterest when nothing could be further from the truth.
I think a lot of Americans feel the same way.
Voting along party lines is essentially saying one of two things these days:
1. I'm a pro-aborition enviro-nut who wants a socialized economy/heathcare system.
2. I'm a ardent pro-life gunslinger in favor of a do-it-yourself system.
Keeping your environment sustainable should be common sense for the same reason we have toilets, or garbage disposal.
The only interest I have in this at all is what pertains directly to the constitution. The right to keep and bear arms.
With the selection of candidates for president in 2008, that Amendment is on the chopping block.
So it looks like the upcomming presidential might be memorable for all the wrong reasons.
Thomas Naylor's solution is to use Switzerland as a social model, in which heavy reliance is placed upon the community rather than the federal government.
Why would that be unworkable?
I don't agree with their doctrine entirely, but I do support the rights of the individual state over the Federal government, which is concurrent with the 10th Amendment, and with strong opposition from many states on issues like Real ID Act and such, it certainly blurs the lines of State vs Federal authority...
Thoughts?
Cheers, and Godspeed to the deployed.
Evidently you folks don't realize that I did not move here, I was deployed here. Things are under control:D
Deployed....or were you Exiled there and just TOLD that you were deployed there???
My thinking is, if you had been "deployed" to any other AO in the US, say S. Dakota, Wyoming, Montana, or Idaho, to spend your "formative" years, you Sir, I think, would have gotten all the local Indigs from the area reservations, and we would most definitely have, "Nation within a Nation, WITHIN a Nation" going on.
Kids would learn about this in school, and learn of places within the boundaries of this "New Nation", places such as......Col. Jackland....Moroneyville.....Casa Del Jack.....Otisburg......
Jack Moroney (RIP)
06-05-2007, 12:28
You folks don't realize just how provincial many of these "woodchucks" are . (Woodchucks are folks that have been born in the state. Everyone else is a flat lander.) I have pissed many a woodchuck off by telling them that any group of folks that would align their identity with a rodent that subsists on dandelions, sleeps half its life, and willingly runs into traffic is a non-starter. The local news up here could easily start out with a blank TV screen with subtitles that read, "well nothing else happened in Vermont again yesterday" and folks would smile and happily prepare for one of the big social events like the "Strolling of the Hiefers" through downtown Montpelier. National news is non-existent unless it can be tied somehow to Vermont. In its pathetic attempt to show its distain for the war in Iraq they include in Vermont losses anyone who has a "close tie" to the state. That means any kid that went to ROTC in any of the colleges despite the fact that he may have come from Pluto as an exchange student. The editior of the local weekly paper has edited my letters to make them more acceptable to the Vermont "way" so much so that if I have anything to say about this town I send it to another paper for publication as they love to be able to publish dirt about any other town but their own. Name a cause celeb from the 60s and you can find some remnant of it here and those that want a change of scene move to Oregon which sort provides them with a place to pursue a graduate degree in lunacy. As you can tell from all the stuff that hits the news on the national scene from here, if your village in which you live ever looses or needs an idiot, Vermont is the incubator and I am not unconvinced that some where hidden in deep in the Green Mountains they have found a way to clone them from a secret broth of maple syrup, road kill woodchuck remains and moose turds:D
You folks don't realize just how provincial many of these "woodchucks" are . (Woodchucks are folks that have been born in the state. Everyone else is a flat lander.) I have pissed many a woodchuck off by telling them that any group of folks that would align their identity with a rodent that subsists on dandelions, sleeps half its life, and willingly runs into traffic is a non-starter. The local news up here could easily start out with a blank TV screen with subtitles that read, "well nothing else happened in Vermont again yesterday" and folks would smile and happily prepare for one of the big social events like the "Strolling of the Hiefers" through downtown Montpelier. National news is non-existent unless it can be tied somehow to Vermont. In its pathetic attempt to show its distain for the war in Iraq they include in Vermont losses anyone who has a "close tie" to the state. That means any kid that went to ROTC in any of the colleges despite the fact that he may have come from Pluto as an exchange student. The editior of the local weekly paper has edited my letters to make them more acceptable to the Vermont "way" so much so that if I have anything to say about this town I send it to another paper for publication as they love to be able to publish dirt about any other town but their own. Name a cause celeb from the 60s and you can find some remnant of it here and those that want a change of scene move to Oregon which sort provides them with a place to pursue a graduate degree in lunacy. As you can tell from all the stuff that hits the news on the national scene from here, if your village in which you live ever looses or needs an idiot, Vermont is the incubator and I am not unconvinced that some where hidden in deep in the Green Mountains they have found a way to clone them from a secret broth of maple syrup, road kill woodchuck remains and moose turds:D
Like I said very interesting people.
As for the group trying to secede, they have always been there, Vermont was a recognized republic way back when, some people choose not to accept that. But just because it WAS doesn't mean it should be again.
I fly a vermont battle flag as just that, so does the VT NG every soldier deploys with a flag. but its not the symbol of a seperatist republic, not like their trying to make it.
.......Keeping your environment sustainable should be common sense for the same reason we have toilets, or garbage disposal.....
I am surrounded by lib females. It's me the "evil Republican" who has to walk behind them turning out the lights, reminding them to consolidate trips in the car, recycle plastics, aluminium and news papers, etc, etc, etc.
But they "care":) .
"Group Pushes Vermont to Secede From the U.S."
Ba-bye....but first we need to secure the Magic Hat Brewery. I would like to take this opportunity to vote NJ off the Island. :)
Ejcynical
06-06-2007, 13:31
Let's throw up a wall so that way they can't come back into the country and steal any of the illegal alien's jobs.
Let's throw up a wall so that way they can't come back into the country and steal any of the illegal alien's jobs.hmmm...i was thinking after they secede, we can coerce them back into the Union sorta like my g-great grandfolks were...then we can offer them the benefits of a 19th Century Reconstruction, THEN let them go...
Skywatch
06-07-2007, 05:33
I am surrounded by lib females. It's me the "evil Republican" who has to walk behind them turning out the lights, reminding them to consolidate trips in the car, recycle plastics, aluminium and news papers, etc, etc, etc.
But they "care" .
:D
Monsoon65
06-07-2007, 17:39
I am surrounded by lib females. It's me the "evil Republican" who has to walk behind them turning out the lights, reminding them to consolidate trips in the car, recycle plastics, aluminium and news papers, etc, etc, etc.
But they "care":) .
Yeah, they care that everyone else does what you're doing, but not them. They're special.
LibraryLady
06-08-2007, 09:07
Yeah, they care that everyone else does what you're doing, but not them. They're special.
Kinda like a certain guy with a big ol' house and last name starts with 'G'? :D
LL
Kinda like a certain guy with a big ol' house and last name starts with 'G'? i believe that would be two big ol' houses...
NousDefionsDoc
06-10-2007, 08:11
I was mobilizing the South to invade (turn about is fair play and all) when I realized that is the TAOR of the Colonel Sir.
STAND DOWN! STAND DOWN! STAND DOWN!
I was mobilizing the South to invade (turn about is fair play and all) when I realized that is the TAOR of the Colonel Sir.
STAND DOWN! STAND DOWN! STAND DOWN!
Hell of a team, you've got there Doc. :D
The Reaper
06-10-2007, 12:22
Hell of a team, you've got there Doc. :D
You know, I thought that everyone had learned by now,
DON'T MESS WITH THE MEDICS!!
TR
You folks don't realize just how provincial many of these "woodchucks" are . (Woodchucks are folks that have been born in the state. Everyone else is a flat lander.) I have pissed many a woodchuck off by telling them that any group of folks that would align their identity with a rodent that subsists on dandelions, sleeps half its life, and willingly runs into traffic is a non-starter. The local news up here could easily start out with a blank TV screen with subtitles that read, "well nothing else happened in Vermont again yesterday" and folks would smile and happily prepare for one of the big social events like the "Strolling of the Hiefers" through downtown Montpelier. National news is non-existent unless it can be tied somehow to Vermont. In its pathetic attempt to show its distain for the war in Iraq they include in Vermont losses anyone who has a "close tie" to the state. That means any kid that went to ROTC in any of the colleges despite the fact that he may have come from Pluto as an exchange student. The editior of the local weekly paper has edited my letters to make them more acceptable to the Vermont "way" so much so that if I have anything to say about this town I send it to another paper for publication as they love to be able to publish dirt about any other town but their own. Name a cause celeb from the 60s and you can find some remnant of it here and those that want a change of scene move to Oregon which sort provides them with a place to pursue a graduate degree in lunacy. As you can tell from all the stuff that hits the news on the national scene from here, if your village in which you live ever looses or needs an idiot, Vermont is the incubator and I am not unconvinced that some where hidden in deep in the Green Mountains they have found a way to clone them from a secret broth of maple syrup, road kill woodchuck remains and moose turds:D
I hate to revive an old post, but your outrageous flat-lander comments cannot go unchallenged, sir. :D
Yes, there are plenty of woodchucks here in VT. Woodchucks and flat-landers, however, are not mutually exclusive, nor are they the entire sum of the state's population.
Plenty of us, who were born and raised here, do not fall into the woodchuck stereotype. (Unless you went to UVM, then you are either a revolutionist-hippie-Birkenstock wearing-pinko-communist-liberal, or you are truly a woodchuck who went there to study agriculture - no matter how hard you deny it).
A large minority of us are normal, God-fearing, flag waving people. The people who really piss us off are the militant Flat-landers.
These people move to VT from, I don't know, NEW JERSEY, because VT is so much different from their home state. When they get here, with their big flat-lander savings accounts, they have nothing better to do than to work part-time at a local school and fume over local politics/zoning regulations/dress codes/smell of farms in springtime/etc... So, they volunteer or run for whatever commitee or position that will let them vent out their flat-lander frustrations.
Then they proceed to do what flat-landers do best: Try to turn VT into their old state. My favorite bumper sticker is: "Don't JERSEY Vermont"
Then they bitch about how much VT has changed. Hmmmm, here's an idea: Go home (present company excluded, of course sir:o). It's bad enough that the influx of people moving here (or worse yet, buying VACATION homes here) has driven the cost of homes beyond what the average VTer can afford, but now our "laissez-faire" system of local government is being hijacked and turned into a pseudo-communist state (don't get me started on Act 60).
Sorry for the rant.
The foliage is nice, however. But then there are the leaf-peepers...:mad:
Jack Moroney (RIP)
10-03-2007, 10:16
Yep by Jezum. You all have a proud heritage. Vermonters voted into office the three blind mice (Leahy, Sanders, Welch). Now let's see what can we devine from just what Vermonters have elected to say about their state. Leaky Leahy who couldn't keep his mouth shut in 1987 when he was on the Intell committee and wound up getting agents killed-damn sure would make me proud to be represented by someone like that. Sanders-the only avowed Socialist in the Senate-damn, another thing to be proud of and who is described by some of his contemporaries in the Senate as being akin to a Skunk being invited to a garden party. Of course Sanders gets elected because Jeffords gets confused, forgets to stand up for the folks that originally elected him and with a great show of moral courage shifts left of Hillary Clinton. Let's not forget Welch who has no grasp of reality. Woodchucks-no: Mice, three blind mice.
Of course my tainted view of reality can be rationalized by the fact that I was born in NJ, have a BS and MS in wildlife management (OMG is that agriculture), attended Saint Michaels in Colchester after I retired, because the VA said I had no marketable skills for civilian life in Vermont (perhaps I was not woodchucky enough), for another MS embedded with woodchucks where I got to deal first hand with the logical approach to Business Administration woodchuck style and have the audacity to feel that I have earned the right to live anywhere I want because my loyalties are to no state but to my country.
Of course I will agree that there are many folks in this state that have come here for the "quality of life" and they seem to bitch and moan but that is because most of them are paying the bill for all the social programs for those who would rather spend their money on an new snow machine, second satellite TV, or that extra carton of cigarettes. And you are right, don't get me started on act 60, 68, or any of the other idiotic attempts made in the name of education reform.
Actually I really do like this State, the politics suck, most of the people with whom I deal or have dealt are real down to earth good folks regardless of their point of origin, but the problems in this state are not created from those that come in but by those from within be they woodchuck or other.
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You're really from NJ and studied AG, sir? Oops. How's that for both feet in the mouth?
I thought the flat-lander comments might get a rise, I just didn't know how close to home they'd be :o
The politics here do suck, but I referenced a "large minority" of VTers. The majority, sad to say, would fly the hammer and sickle had they the opportunity (Sanders is all the proof I need for that). And ACT 60, which, in my opinion, a vain cover-up of socialist idealism, has it's merits. Being the son of a teacher and being married to one (two different women, mind you:D), I understand the need for education reform.
But seriously, sir, was the "by Jeezum" comment necessary? You could've said "I tell you what" or the ever popular "I shit you not" or "Wuss-at?". :D
You could've picked worse towns in VT to settle in (assuming my research is correct) - maybe not for the political rhetoric that you're bombarded with (although Shelburne would be worse), but definately the woodchuck lingo.
Here's the real question, though sir: Do you consider yourself a VTer? That's all that really matters. Well, that and driving a Saab and listening to VPR...